i saw this opinion recently that was like
“jgy was doing horrible irredeemable things and showed no sign of stopping (so huaisang was 100% justified in ruining him)”
except that looking at the handful of events we’re aware of, only two, maybe three are things jin guangshan didn’t order jgy to do…and all of them were years ago.
the first is burning down the brothel. the next one is obviously killing jin guangshan. the last one, if it’s something you choose to believe through the ambiguity (i don’t—more under the cut), is killing rusong.
so even if we assume that IS something that jgy did, that was still something like 6-8yrs before the present.
other than that? jin guangyao’s most notable actions as sect leader and chief cultivator were eliminating corruption, and establishing public safety infrastructure. at some point he cut ties with xue yang, though we don’t know how that happened. we don’t hear about anything else.
so uh…sure. jgy showed “no sign of stopping”…much in same way a sleeping bear shows “no sign of stopping.” yes, theoretically dangerous, but not doing anything right now. and you can’t exactly show that you’re stopping if you’re not going to begin with.
jgy really isn’t a threat until he’s threatened—all of the the individuals that he specifically made the decision to kill were, in some way, threatening his ability to exist. when given the agency to make decisions without endangering himself or his loved ones, he genuinely just chills, or chooses to do good.
if you decide to slap a sleeping bear in the ass, anything the bear does in response is kind of on you.
(more about why i don’t think jgy killed rusong or had him killed below)
the text is super ambiguous about rusong. like we just don’t hear much about him in any context.
estimate for when rusong died:
jgy got married before jin guangshan died, which supposedly was about 11yrs prior. qin su was pregnant at the time they married, so rusong would have been about 11-12 in the present. sect leader yao says that rusong died around when formal education would have begun, so we can assume he was somewhere between 4-6yo. hence, 6-8 years ago.
“i killed my father, my brother, my wife, my son…”
jgy says he killed “his son,” which seems like a clear cut confession, but he also says that he killed “his brother,” and “his wife,” both of which we know are technically false.
zixuan dies onscreen, killed by wen ning as a result of wei wuxian having lost control. jgy did not intend for zixuan to die, nor did he officially kill him, but jgy does still feel responsible. he clearly feels responsible for qin su as well, but quite frankly, i don’t buy the theory that he literally mind controlled her into killing herself (mind control?? really???).
the official story: isn’t it “convenient”
we also know the official story about what happened. many clans were opposed to the watchtowers for a variety of reasons: e.g. they didn’t want to pay for them, didn’t want to staff them, thought that jgy was overstepping by centralizing public safety, thought that jgy was overstepping because jgy was jin guangyao, bastard son of a whore, etc. (the “supervisory office” thing is officially cql only; the reasons above are just the norm in politics). one of the smaller clans was particularly opposed, and had rusong assassinated to send a message to jgy.
sect leader yao also speculates that jgy killed rusong to cover up the fact that his whore-blooded cough i mean his child of incest was “deficient” (you’re not slick, sect leader yao) and then goes off about how “perfectly convenient” it was that the clan that despised jin guangyao and his watchtower plan “just so happened” to attack the son of the guy they more or less wanted dead.
“convenient.” sure. okay.
“it’s the perfect excuse.” yeah. because it probably isn’t an excuse. literally why would “parent murders child because child may potentially possibly struggle with learning & social interaction” be more plausible than “political agent has his political enemy’s son assassinated to send him a message”?
kill sparingly, kill quietly: they should die as they lived.
so the likelihood that rusong was actually assassinated is pretty high, but furthermore, jgy tends to only kill when he feels like he has to, and when jgy killed both jin guangshan and nie mingjue, he specifically used methods that wouldn’t stand out.
jin guangshan, a man with a reputation for his indulgence in sex and alcohol, died from overindulgence during an “orgy”. nie mingjue, a man whose family has a history of qi deviating and dying young, has a qi deviation and dies after many months of clear decline. they died exactly according to the ways that they lived.
most children are not assassinated for political reasons, so we can assume that it drew a LOT of attention at the time, and probably a lot of scrutiny as well. would it have really been worth the risk? worth the attention? worth the grief it caused qin su? we already know that jgy would prefer to spare qin su from bearing unnecessary burdens, so the answer to all of it is “probably not.”
again: there was a fair amount of opposition to jgy’s watchtower plans. framing a clan for the murder of your son WOULD be very efficient in removing that clan as opposition, but that doesn’t do anything about any of the other opposing clans. the benefit is far too small for the cost.
anyway the end
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Headcanon Game
NAME: Nie Huaisang ( 聂怀桑 )
MEANING: 聂 - nie: to whisper, 怀 - huai: breats; bosom; heart; mind; to think of; to harbor in one's mind, 桑 - sang: mulberry
AKA: the Head-Shaker (一问三不知 - yi wen san bu zhi: one question three don't knows)
PHOTO OF YOUR MUSE THAT YOU LIKE:
THREE HEADCANONS
Huaisang knew that the Nie way of cultivating easier led to qi deviation, but he didn't know it would eventually happen to everyone wielding a saber with a spirit and he didn't expect his brother to be dying from it. He always thought that if Mingjue knew he would be dying, he'd tell him, not keeping it a secret.
Contrary to popular belief, he doesn't dislike all physical activity, he just dislike saber practice. Physical activity he likes includes leisurely strolls, catching birds and dancing.
He regularly helped dage writing his letters because he was better with words and had a better handwriting (not that Mingjue's handwriting was bad, but not as pretty as Huaisang's).
three things your muse likes doing in their free time ⎯⎯
Huaisang likes to sneak into the kitchen, partly because he does actually enjoy helping out with the cooking, but the kitchen workers also have the juiciest and most up to date gossip. And he likes that very much.
Taking strolls by himself, no guards, just him. Especially after he becomes sect leader, since being by himself means he can remove the mask a little and let the burden off his shoulders for a moment.
I guess I have to mention the obvious: painting, writing and reading poetry, taking care of his birds and re-arranging his collections.
a phobia your muse has ⎯⎯
He has many fears, but not really any phobia. The closest to a phobia would be having a qi deviation and killing people he cares about before dying himself. Losing his brother was high up on that list too, but that did unfortunately happen. Otherwise he just has a bit of general anxiety, but no specific phobias.
one thing your muse regrets ⎯⎯
Not asking his brother how he was doing. Not poking around more until he got a proper answer. Maybe he could've done something to help? Maybe he could've noticed that Clarity/Cleansing was being played wrongly? Maybe if he'd known, he'd practiced his saber more to make his dage happy and maybe that would've postpone his death?
people your character likes / loves ⎯⎯
Dage, Lan Xichen, Meng Yao (not JGY and only before he finds out what he did), Wei Wuxian and Jiang Wanyin. Then there are many that he likes enough or neither like nor dislike, but those people are the ones he loves or strongly likes.
Stolen from: @adversitybloomed
Tagging: All of you! Jk, but tag me if you do it.
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During these days, Lan xichen was tossing several articles of clothes all over his room and packing a few~ wondering if it would impress his Ayao.
On the other side, he was planning to surprise him in a special way.
Also, in Gusu, there were some rumors going around.
X: I heard that Zewu Jun is having an affair, with a hulijing
Everyone: *gasps*
That hulijing can suck out his qi energy?!
(* they can if they wanted to. But for them, they believe that hulijings can't control themselves)
Oh no. Such a nice cultivator.
He got seduced by a fox spirit.
And not any hulijings. But the huli jing emperor!
Woww!!
Xichen: the rumors are true!!! I am dating a hulijing emperor! And you can't do anything about it!!
Zewu Jun said it himself.
Omg.
Wish him good luck.
Meanwhile, Xue yang, Su she and mo xuanyu's party was in full swing. There were food, liquor, and yes~~ chaotic hulijings.
The hyper beings were trying their best to keep their composure in front of their emperor, but they couldn't. Immediately they would start fighting and ramping~ both in their full fox form and human form, then they would be pushing stuff off the table with their tails or fighting for food.
Other than that, they (I'm their human form) would just make jokes and hang out like normal friends.
Xue yang: leaving for your date, Jiggy?
Yao: yea.
Su she: I'll drop you there.
Yao: aww thank you Shanshan.
Xue yang: make sure to give Chifeng zun a deep kiss ok! Knock out with those lips of yours.
And your Yao Dimples.
Yao: *laughing* yangyang, if Dage permits me.
Xue yang: Jiggy I know that you're a top.
Yao: shhhhh.
Su she: how do you know that xue yang!
Xue yang: assumed.
And I kinda want to be topped by Jiggy.
Yao: what?
Su she: disgusting. *blushing*
Xue yang: then why are your cheeks red?
Su she: I ate food chili.
Xue yang: did Jiggy tell you to do that?
Su she: xue yang!
Mo xuanyu: have we all thought of letting Yao gege step on us. Like he's really hot.
Yao: guys I'm still here.
Su she: right. Enough small talk! Let's go, Huangdi.
And I have asked a group of my sect members to make sure that you're safe.
Yao: so thoughtful.
Mo xuanyu: *hugs jgy* I don't want anyone hurting my Yao gege.
Yao: no one will.
Bye for now, guys. Enjoy your party!
Everyone, including the hulijings: *bow* see you soon, Huangdi.
Yao: *smiles and opens fan*
Su she: let's go.
*exits*
Xue yang: chou!! *raises cup*
Mo xuanyu: *does the same* Feng.
Xue yang: let's toast to how hot your emperor is!!
Mo xuanyu: and let's toast to his hard towards the empire!!
Everyone: toast! Toast! Toast!
Xue yang: I miss Minshan.
Mo xuanyu: really? Surpising.
Xue yang: whenever I cook, I would always stuff food in his mouth and ask him how it is. You know he's vegetarian so I would just let him sample noodles and mushrooms.
Mushrooms are his fav.
Mo xuanyu: aw. Xue gege you're very dramatic.
Mo xuanyu: but you gave him food already!
Xue yang: *cries* but I want to do it again.
Darn simp went off with Jiggy.
Mo xuanyu: you can always do it to me.
Xue yang: I'll try.
I made roast pork, stuffed with a chicken stuffed with doves. Here you go.
Mo xuanyu: mmgmfg.....delicious..
Xue yang: I know right. Eat some more!
Then try my tongue tea.
Mo xuanyu: your what?!!
Xue yang: you should know me by now.
X: xue Gongzi!! Hey!!
Xue yang: Luo. One of the naughtiest hulijings.
X: gosh. You flatter me.
Mo xuanyu: what does he do?
Xue yang: he terrorized some city before.
Luo: yep. They almost broke my leg. But I got away from the villagers.
Mo xuanyu: wow!
X: I ate all their food.
Luo: lol.
X: just broke in and gobbled it up.
Chuan: don't worry. We had defended the empire.
We hardly slack off.
Xue yang: good! Or I'll rip your tails off.
Chuan: hahahaha, I know you're joking!
Yi: omg ! Why are some of the emperor's hulijings hanging from the roof.
Mo xuanyu: had too much alcohol, lol.
Xue yang: when is Lan lips coming?
Mo xuanyu: I don't know.
Xue yang: ugh. Tardy Lan lips. Doesn't he know that it's improper to keep his emperor of a boyfriend waiting.
Mo xuanyu: ahahahaha, you're right. I guess Lan lips will come tomorrow.
Xue yang: yea. And Jiggy has to complete his mischief so.
Mo xuanyu: mhm. Team dimple is so fun.
Xue yang: *eating* agreed!
~~~~
One the other side, they arrived at Qinghe, and Yao was greeted by some of his hulijing associates.
X: Huangdi.
Yao: *smile* hi guys!
X: I'm sorry about the invasion, lol.
Yao: don't worry, my beloved hulijings. Go crazy. But don't make too much of a mess.
X: yes Bixia.
You always pamper us.
Truly the rarest of all emperors.
Su she: yea, yaoyao is awesome!
He knows the nature of us lowly hulijings, despite him being on a superior level than us.
Yao: guys you're not lowly. Don't ever say that.
Fuying.
Fuying: yes Huangdi.
Yao: possess one of those Nie members. So that I can feel more at home.
Fuying: as you wish.
Yao: and can someone make sure that our date isn't interrupted.
X: will do, Huangdi.
Su she: enjoy, Yaoyao.
Yao: thank you. And enjoy your party.
Su she: thanks. Be safe Huangdi. I'll come back later, to get you.
Yao: great.
Su she: bye.
Yao: *turns into his full fox form, then snuck into the unclean realm.
(Nieyao's date will be in the next chapter.)
~~
An hour later, at the Jing Manor 📍
Mo xuanyu: *laughing* why is everything spinning?
Xue yang: what happened to you?! We had just finished 6 jars of liquor. You get drunk so fast?
Mo xuanyu: shhhh. I'm. Simply.....not drunk...who told you that?
I'm just fabulous.
Xue yang: ahahahaha.
Fabulous?
Mo xuanyu: yup.
Su she: *drinking* 7th one completed!
Xue yang: good job! Are you feeling to throw up?! *grin*
Su she: well I am tasting the mushrooms and noodles. But I'm going to keep my food down!
Xue yang: good! We can't vomit all over boss's floor.
Chuan: I have finished my 11th jar!
Xue yang: naughty!
Su she: watch about you, Yi?
Yi: I abstain from alcohol. For Bixia.
Su she: *hiccup* oh.
Mo xuanyu: speaking of Yao gege. How much do you guys rate him? From 1-10.
Xue yang: 100000. The man is just hot.
Mo xuanyu: He's fab. I would give him am infinity.
Su she: same.
Chou: yes he's stunning!
Chuan: let's toast to our hot emperor.
Feng: him and his imperial dimples.
We don't stand a chance in front of him.
Mo xuanyu: if he was here, I would have kissed him so passionately.
And then throw up in the corner cuz I'm a simp and simply can't handle the heat.
Xue yang: did you just admit that you're a simp. *laughing*
Mo xuanyu: yup. I'm a simp. Are you jealous!
Now where's my alcohol?
Su she: no more fot you! You're already drunk!
Mo xuanyu: I'm perfectly fine!
Su she: how much fingers am I holding up?
Mo xuanyu: t...ten?? I'm not a mathematician, Minshan!
I will tell Yao gege that you two are bullying me
Xue yang: me?? It was Su she.
Su she: when did I bully him?!
Xue yang: well it can't be Lan lips. Because Lan lips isn't here.
Su she: what does this have to do with Lan lips.
Mo xuanyu: darn Lan lips. Keeps stealing my Yao gege.
Xue yang: let's get rid of him!
And have Jiggy to ourselves.
Su she: then yaoyao will be upset with us for hurting the Lan.
Xue yang: *sighs* yea.
Su she: Why does he have to be hot and adorable?
Xue yang: I don't really know.
~~~
Later that night, xichen tries to sneak in, dressed as an eunuch.
But infortunately he got captured by three hulijings, Hou, Yi and Xiying.
Yi: who are you?!! And how dare you trespass into our Huangdi's place!
Xiying: foreign eunuch?!! *ties him up immediately, with guqin strings*
Xichen: I want to see A-Yao. Can I see him please!
Hou: Huangdi! Have some respect!
Xichen: I want to see A-Yao Huangdi.
Yi: you never learn, don't you?!
Xiying: *steals his money* Huangdi isn't here at the moment.
Xichen: then I'll wait.
Hou: noo, we're going to report you to the Dimple council. Intruders must be reported.
Xichen: the what?
Hou: the dimple council. It's henchmen lingo for Huangdi's closest associates.
Xiying: the elite.
Xichen: ooo teach me some more henchman lingo.
Yi: ok. Huangdi is referred to as the boss. His Manor is boss's place.
The hair that we collect from grooming is called imperial fluff.
Xichen: awwww that's so cute. And his tail is maybe called his floof.
Yi: right!
Hou: then most of our tasks are called operation dimple.
Xichen: can't this get any cuter!!
Xiying: mysterious eunuch guy, do you still want your money back?
I was just teasing you. Bixia gives us a high salary already.
He's very rich.
Xichen: I know that my A-Yao is affluent.
Yi: so you came to rob him?
Xichen: no no. He actually stole from me!
Hou: how dare you accuse the emperor.
Xichen: noo. I mean he stole My heart!
Yi: dimple council for you!
Hou: but aren't they drunk now?
Xiying: lol. That would be entertaining.
Xichen: anyways you can keep the money. Because you work for A-Yao.
Xichen: and know the dimple council. It's made up of that gremlin xue yang. That Lan traitor and mo xuanyu.
Xiying: Official Xue Gongzi, the Misty Spell Master and Odficial Mo Gongzi. Yes.
Yi: ew why is he so informal. He knows too much.
Hou: what if he's Zewu Jun?
Xichen: shhh.
Yi: how can Zewu Jun be dressed as an eunuch?!!
~moments later~
Hou: we got an Intruder!
Xue yang: *leaps and ties him up with a curtain. Then pushed him in the center of the room* Done.
Yi: good that official Xue is the only sober one.
Su she: *half drunk* what is Lan zhan doing here!!
Mo xunayu: *laughing* look at his little eunuch attire. Hahaha!!
Xichen: can you untie me!! I want to wait for A-Yao.
Xue yang: this dude have simps all over. Even the eunuchs?
Su she: Lan zhan what do you want with my Bixia!
Xichen: I'm not Wangji. It's me, Xichen!
Xue yang: Lan lips isn't an eunuch, lol.
Mo xuanyu: who cares if it's Lan lips or not. *hugs xichen* he's still handsome.
Mo xuanyu: *looks up* don't get too full of yourself. I said that you're handsome. Yao gege is still my type, and I'm in love with him.
Xichen: well that's the harem. And I'm ok with it
Yi: we don't even know you!!
Xue yang: wait. But he does look like Lan lips. Omg.
Su she: no. He looks like Lan zhan! Now throw him out!
Xue yang: na. Hou, you know what to do.
Hou: hulijings! Circle formation.
Group of hulijings: *turn into full fox form, then began to run around a captured Xichen.*
Xichen: I'm telling the truth. I'm Xichen. *sobs* and I'm in love with the hulijing emperor.
Mo xuanyu: well let's wait for him.
Xichen: yay!!
Su she: going to get him in the next half hour.
~~ to be continued.
@verycatbluebird
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