#It's the law /jjj

[spideywhites]

life must be hard as a ny criminal when the level of ass-beating you get is entirely dependent on the mood swings of a man in spandex living paycheck by paycheck. doesn’t make enough for rent so he “accidentally” doesnt restock his web shooters so he can excuse the fist he puts in your face. Or my favorite of the spider-man vibes “I’m hurting you because I want to”

[ladyelainehilfur]

JK Simmons is incredibly talented, holy smokes

[foolsocracy]

With all the age discourse around Spider-Man Noir right now, I thought I’d compile parts of the comic that imply his age. I want to state that this pulling from his 2009-2010 comic run before the time skip, specifically the first volume. The spiderverse movie has taken a lot of liberties with the characters, so it is very possible that what Peters age is in 1933 in the comics is NOT what his age is in 1933 in the movies.

Peter’s age is not directly stated in his 1st comic run (I can’t speak for the 2020 ones because it has been a while since I read them, plus there’s like a 10 year jump). It IS however heavily implied that he is young. So much so that you can’t seem to go more than a page without someone referencing it.

Like, these all happen in the same scene. The writers beat you over the head with it.

In this issue alone Peter is called both “son” and “sonny” once, “boy” twice, and “kid” 8 times. Outside nouns, he is also referred to as young, and when Urich brings him to The Black Cat, Felicia calls it “babysitting.” Urich also asks Peter if he is “allowed out after midnight” but after some research I can’t seem to find any evidence of NYC having juvenile curfews at this point in time, though they did exist in lots of towns in the late 1800s and early 1900s because of child labor laws. I think this instance is just Pete just being young and an adult being concerned about his well-being.

It is also mentioned in this volume, and again in Eyes Without a Face (vol 2), that Peter wants to go to college in the future and is currently studying & saving up money to do so. This alone doesn’t necessarily mean he’s under 18 as there isn’t a max age to apply for college, plus Peter comes from a poor family during the Great Depression. It wouldn’t surprise me if he started college later than usual because of that (lack of funds & catching up due to not being in school/working).

There is other evidence that does imply he is under 18 though— he’s too young to drink alcohol!

Spider-Man Noir Vol 1 issue 1 starts in January 1933 before jumping back three weeks to December 1932 where Ben Urich meets Peter Parker

It is during December 1932 that he meets Felicia Hardy who owns the speakeasy The Black Cat. Prohibition is still in place and won’t be overwritten until a year later in December 1933. It is important to note that before Prohibition was instated, the drinking age in New York was 18 years old. That law is what the characters reference when they discuss drinking age. And most importantly, Peter doesn’t deny the fact that he’s too young to drink. He just snarks back in true Parker fashion

This is the most concrete evidence there is towards Peter being under 18 in the noirverse. It can even be argued that Peter is under 17 with how easily Felicia picks up on the fact that he’s underage (and that she does so from a distance might I add, as seen in the ‘babysitting’ panel).

There is also a panel where JJJ refers to Peter as an “orphan.” By definition, an orphan is a kid under 18. This is JJJ, so this can be taken with a grain of salt as he loves good ol hard-hitting words. When people speak they don’t always use words by their exact definitions; sometimes if you’re young and your parents are dead, JJJ is going to label you an orphan even if ur a legal adult lol. But if you take this at face value it’s definitely another indicator that Peter is under 18.

TLDR; Spider-Man Noir from his 2009-2010 comic run is most likely under 18, and can be argued to be 15-16+. If not that, then is definitely college aged or younger.

[volos-wish]

Norman Osborn: This is my son-in-law, Peter, and his Husband, Harry.

JJJ: Is Harry not your actual son? Why does he not get the son title?

Norman: I don't ljke him.

[oliveroctavius]

Doesn't the decision to get involved with Sam Bullit prove Gwen was a bad person?

Hey, I've been looking for an excuse to post about this. The Sam Bullit arc isn't really about Gwen (though it certainly reveals some things about her character). The Sam Bullit arc is about racist dogwhistles and why they work.

ASM #92 pg 19: "I will bring law and order to the people of this great city! I will show no mercy to the anarchists and all others who would destroy our way of life!"

Bullit's platform is not openly white supremacist in the sense that it doesn't overtly mention race. He talks about laws and safety in a way meant to appeal to rich white voters. The true meaning should be clear to anyone with any political awareness (who are those others and what is our way of life?), so why does this rhetoric attract "otherwise rational" people?

ASM #91 pg 6: "I want to volunteer to help you--in your campaign for DA. Because--I want you to bring Spider-Man to justice!" "We need strength--strength to punish those who mock the law! I will use such strength to bring Spider-Man and others like him to justice! I will not betray your trust."

Gwen makes her decision to back Bullit on the way home from her father's funeral. There's a very real phenomenon of tough-on-crime bills named after (white) murder victims. The grief of families who feel like justice hasn't been served is a powerful tool to push harsh laws while smothering any criticism as "disrespectful" to the victims. What’s in a Name? An Empirical Analysis of Apostrophe Laws, 2020.

Bullit showed up at George Stacy's funeral with this exact goal in mind, and when Spider-Man "kidnaps" Gwen later, he leverages the media obsession with white girls in danger for his cause. Gwen is a pawn, but she did offer her help first. Her desire for closure is very human and her short-sighted reactionary faith in "the law" is very white.

Oddly absent from your "proven bad person" takeaway is J. Jonah Jameson. The Bugle lends Bullit a platform to make Gwen's personal tragedy a political talking point. JJJ has the ~Black best friend~ excuse and everything, and he still blows past red flags like crazy.

ASM #91 pg 7: "Maybe they were better days than now! At least we had law and order then." "Yeah--and lynch mobs, and bread lines, and Uncle Toms..." "Come off it, Robbie! What's wrong with a man standing for law and order, anyway?" "Maybe it just depends on whose law--and what kind of order you're talkin' about, man!"

(Another point of this arc: marginalized groups learn to recognize dogwhistles pretty quickly for survival reasons. If they tell you something is a dogwhistle and you don't see it yet, look closer.)

ASM #92 pg 9: "Parker's story just served to open Jameson's eyes--but I've kept a dossier on you. I haven't been city editor all these years for nothing! I know where your support comes from. I know about the lunatic hate groups who are backing you. I know what you really mean by law and order!"

Late in the campaign, the Bugle switches sides. This scene tends to be described as JJJ giving the racists what-for, but the moment is truly Robbie's. (Note that it took Peter getting roughed up for Jameson to take this seriously!) JJJ can yell at Bullit all he likes without consequences, but Robbie is kidnapped and threatened by white supremacists in retaliation. It's Robbie's determination to speak up that eventually puts Bullit out of the running for good.

The Bullit arc isn't there to sort characters by Bad Person and Good Person. Neither Gwen nor JJJ have to personally hate black people for their self-centered sense of safety to be weaponized by a racist agenda. This is a Stan Lee PSA about masked bigotry and how it might appeal to you even if you consider yourself a Good Person.

But for some ~mysterious~ reason, Gwen's brief agreement and Jameson's brief rejection are the only parts of these two issues I ever see brought up, with Robbie's major role not mentioned at all. Some ideas fit more neatly than others into smug ship-war quote tweets and anon asks, it seems.

[cyanidespideycup]

JJJ's reputation has been tarnished and I will not stand for it.

This is the same man who punched out two (count em, 2) different white supremacists, who stood in front of a group of racists and called them wastes of time to their faces. He ordered a politician backed by the KKK to get out of his office. If this man actually ran a podcast, it'd be Civil Rights advocacy.

He hates Spidey because he hates the idea of masked vigilantes, beings who are above the law, who can't be documented. Who can do what they want with no consequences, despite the potential harm of innocent civilians.

In the Ultimates comics, this man gave multiple speeches about how he was wrong about Spider-Man. He describes how during the Ultimatum Wave, he watched Spidey dive in and out to save people and realized how wrong he was, saw in his own words what a real hero looked. And he started writing that BEFORE he learned Spidey had "died".

On Earth 65, he leads the charge against Gwen not because he just hates those Masked Menaces so much but because she was thought guilty of the murder of Peter Parker. He didn't even know the Parkers, but he still cared about the lives of every single stranger he came into contact with (hence why he became mayor).

He risks being murdered all the time to get the truth out. He's faced down masked supervillains and told them to fuck off. This is the same man who hired a 15 year old boy (not just bought photos from, hired) because he recently lost everything. In multiple universes, when he learns who Spidey is he starts helping him.

Making him an Alex Jones parody is funny for like two minutes, but it ultimately takes away from the depth in his character and kinda takes away from the Spidey story altogether.

[journey-to-the-attic]

Does that make OM Mephistopheles the JJJ then

i hadn't even considered that but yes!! you know how jjj is really totally fine with superhumans and all that, it's just spiderman specifically he doesn't like? i can't imagine mephistopheles specifically hating spiderkid given his soft spot for children, BUT i imagine he's a fierce advocate against it just because he thinks it's ridiculous that the city has gotten to the point that they need to rely on a teenager to keep everyone safe

it's probably a thing where the main hero group are the legally mandated ones (luke is simeon's apprentice/intern or something) and ik is a vigilante who is constantly breaking the law that diavolo keeps looking the other way for, and while mephistopheles admires him greatly, he thinks it's dumb as SHIT that he's totally fine with letting that kid risk her life on the regular

[parkerharker]

I don’t think I’ve posted about this before bc I didn’t feel it was important enough but you know what!!! I’m going to!!! Steve Ditko and Stan Lee crest J Jonah Jameson not as an idiot moron right winger. That is an incorrect reading of that character that Disney has seemed to fully embrace as who he is in the movies and video games. JJJ was a union supporter, left wing journalist who seemed the truth at all cost. He didn’t trust masked vigilantes bc of what they represented, violence with no code of law defining them. The equation of JJJ to Alex Jones in modern media is insulting the the character and what that character stood for and taught to young people reading comics in the 60s/70s and I desperately hope we get past this dog shit take on the character.

[monsoon-of-art]

is louise to dragonfly as jjj is to spiderman

TLDR: kinda. They're both figures in the news industry who distrust the Main Hero

The issue with comparing my characters to other comic book characters is that they have YEARS of differing motivations and backstories.

Louise doesn't trust Dragonfly because Dragonfly doesn't follow the law, she follows her own morals. Dragonfly admits this; she's here to protect the citizens, and if that means harassing a few CEOs and members of Government she absolutely will. (She also technically associates with Hayday who IS a villain)

We, the Audience, know that Dragonfly and Clay are good people (even if Clay's first instinct is to murder), but Louise and other citizens of the city may not.

[kudosmyhero]

The Amazing Spider-Man (vol. 1) #71: The Speedster and the Spider

Read Date: June 01, 2023 Cover Date: April 1969 ● Writer: Stan Lee ● Penciler: John Romita ◦ Jim Mooney ● Inker: Jim Mooney ● Colorist: {uncredited} ● Letterer: Sam Rosen ● Editor: Stan Lee ●

**HERE BE SPOILERS: Skip ahead to the fan art/podcast to avoid spoilers

Reactions As I Read: ● does Peter have a darkroom in his bedroom? ● I didn’t know Quicksilver and Wanda are siblings ● it’s weird seeing JJJ without a cigar in his mouth ● pics that will prove Spidey’s innocence

● 👏👏👏👏

Synopsis: As Peter returns to his apartment and mulls over the fact that he was responsible for giving J. Jonah Jameson a good scare as Spider-Man, he almost blows his secret identity when Harry abruptly returns home.

Meanwhile, having escaped the destruction of Magneto's fortress, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch and the Toad debate on what to do now that they are outcasts. Quicksilver believes that the Avengers will take them in and runs to New York to find them. However, upon arriving at Avengers Mansion, he learns from Jarvis that they are away on a mission in Africa. Debating on what to next, Quicksilver learns the Spider-Man is considered a fugitive of the law. He decides to bring Spider-Man to justice as it may be a way to exonerate himself and his sister in the eyes of the world following their recent alliance with Magneto.

Later, Peter arrives at the Bugle to sell his pictures of Spider-Man's battle with the Kingpin. There he finds that Joe Robertson has taken charge of the Bugle while Jonah is in the hospital. When Joe sees that the photos show that Spider-Man was trying to prevent the Kingpin from stealing the tablet, he demands the presses be stopped to send this out as an exclusive. Peter is also surprised by the very generous payment for the photos.

Peter then changes into Spider-Man and delivers the tablet to George Stacy. When Stacy tries to stop Spider-Man to talk to him Spidey can't stop and leaves. On his way home, Spider-Man is so absorbed in how he's going to spend his money that he is taken by surprise when Quicksilver (unaware that Spider-Man's been cleared of any wrong doing) attacks him. Spidey proves to be no match for Quicksilver's superior speed. As their battle rages on, the front page story about Spider-Man's innocence gets to Jameson who freaks out.

Back at the battle between Spider-Man and Quicksilver, Spider-Man finally gets his bearings and uses his spider-sense and Quicksilver's arrogance to his advantage, and knocks the wind out of the speedster. When the police close in to arrest both super-humans, Spider-Man lifts Quicksilver to safety. When Quicksilver revives he realizes what Spider-Man did for him and the two call a truce, and they part as friends.

(https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Amazing_Spider-Man_Vol_1_71)

Fan Art: Quicksilver by PnzrK

Accompanying Podcast: ● Swinging Through Spider-Man - episode 71

● Let's Read Spider-Man - episode 44

[rappaccini]

arachnophobia ch6 notes

title

from 'face it, tiger' by married with sea monsters

married with sea monsters made an ep of songs for gwen's band when she first debuted. this is the canon sound of gwen-65a's mary janes. it's the first thing you read her first issue.

of course i'm gonna use it for the 65a visit.

and this is the chapter where gwen... hits the jackpot and finds someone who helps herself commit to doing better, owning who she is, and carrying on when it's tough.

opening quote

from the 2013 sci-fi tv series orphan black, about a group of women who discover they're clones from a defunct illegal experiment, and struggle to maintain their autonomy while dealing with religious extremists, cops, corporations and government entities that want to control them. an absolutely incredible show featuring one of the best performances by an actress you'll ever see (she plays ALL the clones).

in context, this quote is from one clone, cosima, to another, sarah. sarah's a rogue clone, and a punk (GREAT representation of british punks by the way, probably the last great one i've seen in mainstream media before hobie came along in atsv), who's often demonized for being reckless, difficult to control and unwilling to play by the rules the biotech corporation the clones are technically owned by have set up for her. sarah also worries that she's a selfish, cruel person because of these qualities, and in this moment, cosima's telling her that being that kind of woman made it possible for her to keep existing.

related to the content of this chapter in that gwen stacy is a character who is famously cloned, and has those clones' autonomy mocked and dismissed because they're not 'the real person'. and that this is two multiples of the same person, who are still their own distinct individuals, meeting while one's having an existential crisis, and discussing how being too unwilling to play by the guys' rules helped gwen a survive and keep her power. because she separated from peter and resented being his designated girlfriend, and because she embraced those messy, selfish emotions, she not only got to live and be the protagonist, but get to keep her powers. being that messy unlikable undesirable bitch was what saved her.

arrival in 65a

times square: ref to gwen's debut appearance.there's one panel of her in costume zooming over times square with a little girl wearing a spider-gwen costume looking on.

jjj is the mayor in 65a's continuity. in 65b's he seems like he's still a tv personality.

on 65a, there's no such thing as artificial sugar. i figure she'd be able to taste the difference, and it'd probably make her emotional after being away for so long.

my internal logic re number vs letter designation with universes is different numbers are entirely different realities with different physics, but different letters designate different timelines that operate by the same laws of nature. ergo, gwen can lose the portal watch in 65a and won't glitch out, but it still isn't HER world. she cannot do that on 138b, because she isn't made of the same matter.

the fire-hero is johnny storm, from the comics.

in the comics, the beautiful jewel-toned smearing of the light really only exists on the covers of the comics. the tones remain, but the smearing is much more minimal in the actual book. in the movie, they make the world so informed by gwen's emotions that it's a little to tell where the hell anything is. i'm trying to excuse that as her being stuck in her head due to her emotional conflict. once she's settled down and focused, things open up again.

and 'get out of your head and let the world in' is very much one of the big themes for this chapter. gwen's spent months ruminating on things, time to apply them.

the spider-gwen kiosk is a comics ref. after gwen gets out of prison, she's become a celebrity with merch stands. and the costume is again, a ref to that little girl in gwen's debut. there's just something very important about her being loved by little girls in her dimension.

and meta as well: at this point, spider-gwen is the female spider-hero (and the version of gwen stacy) most young girls know. she's enormously popular with them thanks to her presence in various cartoons and yes, the films. her future in 10-15 years when those girls start picking up her comics is hopefully promising. it's just a matter of what state her character will be in when those girls are old enough to discover her, and whether they'll have to find out she used to be her own person (... before becoming Miles's Girlfriend, in all likelihood), or if they'll already know that going in. i hope it's the latter. i'm afraid it'll be the former.

in the fic-version of 65a, comics-gwen has no involvement with the multiverse. in the comics, she first encounters it in her debut issue, right after her father learns her identity (like in atsv), but also only 2 years into her time as spider-woman (unlike in atsv, which stalls film-gwen's development for an entire year to keep her stuck in her debut issue). and she's constantly in and out of the multiverse ever since. in the fic, she has none of those experiences, so she doesn't know what it means to be gwen stacy.

also she doesn't call herself ghost-spider yet, since she's the only spider-woman she knows of.

gwen b's experience with gayatri taught her to tell her, and give her the autonomy.

plus, a's in prison as far as she knows, and b is really against being trapped at this point after her time in the ss.

gwen b learning how gwen dies probably really took a bite out of her confidence. can't imagine she wouldn't be anxious while webslinging, or doubting herself in a fight after that.

i figure gwen b's fine with pickpocketing in a pinch. girl's been homeless for eight months and spent many of them with hobie.

post-prison, gwen-65a's public reputation improved; people sell merch of her, are more friendly to her... but by the end of her solo, her status quo is that she's disliked by the media and law enforcement. i like that. it's important that she be on the outs. it's a unique element to her story, and maintains the meta of her being a specifically female superhero, and a gwen-who-gets-to-be-a-hero: the universe won't be kind to her. but she keeps going anyway.

girls like gwen: that meta of it being the case irl, and of the importance of her character as a specifically feminist one. the most important thing is that she is here to tell stories for and about girls and women that center them and their struggles.

the storm siblings, in ghost-spider, are influencers who vanished, then returned 5 years later with superpowers and became celebrity 'heroes'. comics gwen used to be a fan of theirs. i figure gwen b as a zoomer would have followed them. they don't seem to exist in 65b.

specifically, they're heroes who are wrapped up in the idea of public palatability, who arrive when gwen's trying to get people's opinions of her to improve, and who consider her too ugly and flawed to be worthy of her status as new york's iconic hero. gwen 65a is too unphotogenic for them, and her world (... and probably the movies too, given what they chose to remove from her adaptation).

gwen's ridden the trains in the comics.

in-fic timeline: atsv is vaguely set in may, the earth-8 blowup happens in late june, and gwen's birthday is roughly 6 weeks from that, so fic-gwen was born in aug, which is when this scene takes place.

the inky shadows are one of the best things about takeshi miyazawa and ig guara's vision of 65 in the mcguire ghost-spider run.

skyscraper bones: the gentrification of comic-gwen's nyc is still under way.

the spider-gwen mural was made by 65a's hobie brown. a d-story in the latour run is him gaining respect for spider-woman enough to memorialize her after he believes she died. he comes a long way from spraying her in the face with paint and calling her a cop/dadfucker. that's their first meeting in the comics. it's hilarious.

moon + howl: references to man-wolf, whose criminal activities are tuned to the lunar cycle.

gwen's preparing to go home. seeing 65a makes her want to go back and find these people she hasn't encountered yet. even the bad ones.

her father isn't dead in the comics. changed here to ref the gwen-617 meeting at the end of the latour run, where gwen encounters a version of og gwen, after her father dies but before she's killed, who tells her to get back in the fight because at least she still has a dad.

gwen's future where the ss picks her up is not bright. she literally loses her powers, is manhunted, forced to join the hand, and her father is nearly beaten to death on kingpin's orders to punish her. she goes to prison, where she's surrounded by her villains and has no way to protect herself. she gets venomized. she can't be a consistent member of the mary janes anymore. she emerges in a world where her future isn't very bright. movie-gwen seeing that future would be terrified of it.

... and yet all those things work out. she gets her powers back, via venom. she's the one who chooses to give up her secret identity. her father quits the force and supports her. and she gets through prison and comes out the other side.

a fall from grace is another kind of fall.

and all gwen needs to know is that it's possible to survive it. now she does.

privilege: at the end of the latour run she acknowledges that her sentence is lenient bc she's a white girl, a cop's daughter, and she's given the opportunity to skip her sentence and get a life of relative comfort... as long as she starts working for the government on a black ops team (probably the thunderbolts of 65).

it should be noted that comics gwen refuses that offer and chooses to remain in prison, where she's constantly beaten and abused, bc she distrusts the government and values her independence that much.

meeting herself

post-release, gwen is a minor celebrity and not well liked. people take pics of her in public, she's kicked out of restaurants who don't want her associated with them, she can't tour with the janes.

but to a girl who thinks she doesn't have a future at all, that must sound wonderful.

first references to swimming/drowning/paddling in the river. motif for this chapter.

the latour run deals heavily in themes of government/justice/police corruption, while the mcguire run drops those. part of me thinks it's just discontinuity. in-universe the explanation seems to be that because gwen's actions caused the collapse of the hand, who control nyc at that point, the corruption cleared up by a lot. the world is better because she's spider-woman.

gwen works odd shitty retail jobs in the comics. bodega clerk, smoothie shop cashier. it's one of the most appealing things about her-- she isn't a science whiz about to join a fancy startup or a government super-spy. she's just getting by.

gwen's using the hobie's-boat-smell as a source of comfort. it's where she was consistently living for the past eight months, and it reminds her of someone she loves. (also, more river motif.)

gentrification is a theme in gwen's early comics.

first ref to a gummy spider.

and to gwen eating kale chips.

gwen a's watching a stream of the mary janes' latest gig. and she also uses corded earbuds, not airpods, because she's a young millennial.

gwen briefly tried being a hero through an app/website in the comics after her identity was exposed. the storms put an end to that.

comic-gwen is canonically average looking, compared to movie-gwen, who is canonically pretty. comic-gwen is also thinner (due to symbiote-siphoning of her fat reserves), with a skinnier face, longer hair that's a bit lighter in shade, no facial piercings, and straighter teeth.

and comics-gwen's an ex-con who was canonically beaten within an inch of her life constantly by other inmates, and people know who she is. she's gonna be nervous about strange people.

gwen b's wearing hobie's shoes (and likely a sweater that they passed back and forth), gayatri's shirt-that-pav-probably-also-wore, and the haircut miles technically caused. all pieces of people she loves, and left, and let down.

important to have some continuity with perfect gwen and gayatri: when first encountering a version of themself, each of them instantly responds with empathy.

comics-gwen also loves meeting alt versions of herself, and positions herself as a big sister figure to a lot of them. she's taking this in stride.

you're me, and i'm you: callback to gayatri.

gwen b at this point thought gwen a was incarcerated, and was planning to break her out of jail. again, like with gayatri, she's trying to save her self. though in this case, b's the one in need of saving.

another great, okay, fine callback.

literally earth-8 gwen isn't what gwen needs (@ the dudes who wrote sitting in a tree, and everyone who thinks that really is a good outcome for her). she doesn't need to be famous, or rich, or a career hero, or a gorgeous beloved superwife-and-mom. she just needs to know that she can live, and that she can have her own life where people let her stand on her own.

growing up: big theme here.

and to gwen b, a version of her who made it past 19 is extraordinary.

you can't tell me you wouldn't have weird fucking thoughts about what's causing the little differences between you and your alt self. skull thoughts!

gwen a probably deals with weird selfie requests and cosplayers all the time.

jackal: one of gwen-65a's major new villains. a creepy professor from 616/peter parker's world, who's into cloning and was always obsessed with gwen stacy sexually, who stalks spider-gwen into her world and intends to set up shop there (... until cancellation/editorial hierarchy dragged him back). the dog days arc he's involved in was literally nominated for a hugo award bc it's that good.

in the fic though, i'm just gonna imagine that 65's jackal, who 616 jackal kills off, is still that creeper.

also a reference to shadow clones, the latest ghost-spider miniseries, where she gets cloned. in the fic continuity that hasn't happened yet, and might not at all bc i'm pretty sure lyla (yup, a lyla) bennett is another crossover villain, who can't exactly cross over if there's no way gwen a is able to freely access the multiverse.

comics gwen had a potty mouth when she first debuted. let her keep it!

earth-66 is the dinosaur dimension where t-rex-spider-man is from. chosen bc it's literally the next one up numerically from earth-65 and it'd be funny as hell.

what the fuck happens now: another gayatri callback.

betty's apartment

comics gwen loves corn dogs.

pastrami sandwiches were eaten by gwen65 and gwen617 in the comics during their existential crisis summit.

the nickname convo was just me taking my 'what the fuck do i call all these gwens' convo and loading it into the fic. also stacy stacy was her nickname during that two-gwens issue.

maxine. yeah i'm headcanoning that film-gwen, who i'm interpreting as trans, was probably named max originally. easy way to reinterpret the middle name that also expands on her trans identity and her relationship with her dad: yes, he's okay with her being trans, but guys he's a catholic cop, he's not gonna be THAT okay with it. he wants her to be girly, and straight, and he's gonna have an opinion about her changing her name. and since gwen assuming her full identity is gradual, at the time that she changed names, she was willing to compromise with the middle name in that way in order to get it.

gwen a and gwen b was just me caving to the peter b method. it's simple!

gwen a's status quo post rescue in the comics that she isn't wanted anymore and the cops get along with her bc her dad... sigh. rejoins the police force. hate that! skipping it for the fic! here he's dead, so the cops still are mixed on her: she's his daughter, but she's also why he ended up dead and disgraced.

regardless, gwen a is still viewed as someone's daughter, instead of someone. a theme.

betty's place is largely as described in the comics. gwen's been known to sleep over there often.

first ref to 'the girls' -- and another gummy sighting.

i swear if the spiderverse movies' big subversion with gwen is 'good news! you don't have to die, and you can have superpowers! but you still have to be someone's girlfriend!' ......... not enough.

going from the dead helpless gf to the living superhero gf isn't enough. because she's still the girlfriend. and her having powers won't even be about her; it'll be about the boy scoring a powerful girl, and getting to have her help him on his adventures. not as bad as being left at home during the fight, not as good as her getting to fight her own battles.

salt: gwen can have powers, but only as long as she's using them to support miles's story. she can have a plotline, as long as it never develops her into someone he doesn't find attractive or who wouldn't want a relationship with him. she can be a hero, just not as good a hero as he is. she can be special, but she can never be as good as or better than him.

salt: if you've ever gotten the vibe that spiderverse gwen is lacking something special in her powerset compared to the others, you're right. they literally didn't adapt her special skill (being a symbiote host). it feels like they started and stopped at 'she's the only girl, so looking pretty when she fights is her unique ability.' (it is not.)

jess's spider-silk comes from her fingertips in the movie. hobie's lightning palms are a headcanon, as is pav's greater strength, but they come from little details about their fighting abilities.

fun fact: according to marvel editorial, gwen-65 isn't allowed to drink alcohol bc of her target audience being middle-school to hs aged kids. i'm gonna roll with an in-universe explanation of: it'll fuck with her symbiote.

betty and gwen are the same size in the comics, but not at all in the film.

betty's cat murderface is wonderful. he even has his own theme song.

another gummy sighting.

lavender perfume: ref to action comics gwen, who sets her apartment on fire due to the number of scented candles she has going at once.

letting the transdimensional grime go: another small way she's getting ready to go home.

gwen a might not be on tour, but she's still part of the band.

glory does the drum subbing in the comics.

comics refs: betty brant has taylor swift on vinyl. nightmare! at the nightclub is a panic at the disco ref, and one of em jay's favorite bands. and betty got detention for playing swedish death metal over the school intercom. (also, gwen likes veronica mars. i figure that's her poster, not betty's)

movie and comics betty have totally different looks and vibes.

and comics betty is probably gwen's closest friend. movie betty doesn't hesitate to snatch her spot in the band when she quits.

mateo. gwen's bland love interest in shadow clones, her latest miniseries. get that dick gwen, but don't call him back.

clowntown is earth 65's mcdonalds.

gwen's recent comics amped up the sexual tension between her and em. em literally wrote a pick-me song that gwen thinks is about her. and she's jealous about gwen getting attention for being a hero/not focusing her energy on her.

otherwise, em and glory are a couple. i love their relationship, and i don't think gwen and em actually match personality-wise to be a couple, but man do i want them to have a disastrous hookup.

gwen and em were friends since sixth grade, and came up with the idea for the band together then. glory and em started it in detention when they were seniors.

comics-gwen's band are her best friends, who rally around her after learning she's spider-woman. movie gwen's band... don't seem to be that.

the bombing/harry's coma comes from the recent comics. man-wolf did it. and the bodega bandit's health struggles and gwen's compassion for him were a big part of that run too.

the og plan for carnage 65 was that gwen's suit was reproducing and would've eventually latched onto em as a new host. i'm taking that element and applying it here to the fic: it's still shedding, it just hasn't chosen a host yet, and gwen a's aware of this and trying to find a solution.

comics gwen loves exploring new worlds. she'd have loved touring. and setting up b offering to let a tag along on multiverse jumps.

harry osborn. comics gwen went to the prom with him, not peter. he was the third party to their hs friendship-- it was a trio, not a duo. they have a sweet on again off again romance that's probably the best of any of comics gwen's love interests.

gwen's spotting peter in the back of that photo. it would've been taken literally minutes before he lizarded out and attacked harry.

the gum wrapper's hobie's.

the gummy liking gwen is foreshadowing.

fire escape

movie gwen's ock seems to be right out of the raimi films. comic gwen's ock is a villain of the week working under moon, whose octopus is a literal animal instead of robo-arms.

movie gwen seems to have gone through a kraven's last hunt canon event. in the comics, he's a villain of the week who has a swarm of animal minions, instead of a hunter.

fwiw i like movie gwen having a more menacing ock. if they're gonna empty out her canon rogues gallery, they'd better put in a few new ones to make up for it.

comics gwen got bitten at a political protest. cindy moon was the creator of her spider, who made it for herself, and took gwens' powers away out of anger that she got them instead.

gwen's biggest male villains are men who want to control her or punish her for defying their control. and women who want to take her place on the pedestal. jess and miguel fit perfectly into that theming.

the storm siblings are villains in the comics. they're only 'heroes' for clout and try to kill/drive gwen out to keep the city to themselves. in the comics they succeed, bc the comic was cancelled and editorial wanted to force gwen to be a supporting character in peter's world. in the fic, they haven't, bc they don't know about the multiverse, and bc this gwen's father is dead and known associates are out of town, so they can't threaten her out of the city yet.

one of the original plans for johnny was that he'd eventually turn on his sister, bc he's much less evil than she is.

i figure movie-gwen's no responsibility phase was probably her being an influencer. that shot of her grabbing the camera before leaping off the roof in her itsv backstory intro gives me that vibe, plus she's a zoomer. she'd try it.

a's trying to make b feel less embarrassed with the green-hair-and-piercing story (which is canon)

also a way to segue into talking about other changes: comics gwen is from queens, movie gwen is from chelsea. comics gwen isn't a dancer, and was bitten at 17. movie gwen is, and was bitten at 13.

in the comics, em is white.

in the comics, og gwen debuted in december. adapting that for fic-gwen a's birth month.

in the comics, gwen's bitten at a political protest. in the movie, it's implied she got bit... in class. hm. there go her politics. thaaanks.

gwen a thinks gwen b is new at being spider-woman, bc she's now the exact age a was when she got started.

i figure b's age is due to the writers aging her down (... sigh. to be miles's gf). she still has the two-years-experience when she enters the films that she did in the comics. i figure they just didn't think through the implications of aging her down.

it's batshit that a 13yo girl was being hunted by the cops and throwing herself into dangerous situations. girl literally has more experience than hobie does, and she was doing it younger than even him. it also means that the manhunt lasted for two years instead of one, and she had to live with it while she was 14 or so. poor kid.

spider-girl was the original name proposed for spider-gwen. you can still kinda see it in the script for the debut issue. spider-woman was better.

becoming spider-woman is tied in with gwen's implied transness in the films. like anything, it's a process. it's canon in the movies that gwen only joined the janes after being bitten, so presumably the bite gave her the courage. building on that: getting a piercing that isn't to her ears, shortening her hair, starting to skip dance. all aspects of her gender identity that being spider-woman gives her the strength to start negotiating... but only in secret.

gwens' outgrowing her suit and name, to set up her adopting new ones.

growing up: gwen was too young to be spider-woman, yet she was. it works because it was her choice to become that.

earth-8 salt: aside from gwen's character being wildly out of step with 65-gwen, her supposed past self, earth-8's shady as hell. if gwen and miles are perfect parents, why are they letting their preteens be members of an otherwise all-adult hero team and letting them go into battle.

ghosting miles: what gwen did after sitting in a tree. she hung all over him, cooing about how 'if only they could be together someday' and then dropped his ass and never spoke to him again. good for her, may she continue to duck that boy.

blue coloring: the underwater/river theming continues.

about peter

not happy, but content-- this comes up a few times in the fic.

'half in love' -- callback to pav.

peter-65b is so different from peter-65a. for one, movie gwen reciprocates his crush on her and they're going to the dance together (not prom, dance; gwen can't have been older than 14 or 15 during that scene, and prom's for upperclassmen).

i don't vibe with that change. movie gwen having genuine romantic interest in miles and peter, when her comics self doesn't, is a huge misread of her character that robs her of a lot of her meaning. she's not their girlfriend, and can never be their girlfriend if she's going to remain the protagonist of her own story.

i recontextualize it in the fic as gwen being... fine, with those feelings towards both boys (since her feelings for them are linked as similar in the film). but not quite being madly in love with them.

esp given that gwen b is trans. not a lot of options for a high school romance in that situation. going along with peter's feelings would be her only chance at one, and i think that's something gwen b wants/wishes she could have had because part of the stereotypical girlhood experience is being a subject of attraction for boys; if a boy likes her, it's working.

look: high school romances almost never work out. they're not meant to. they're for teenagers to explore their feelings, playact romance for the first time and start to learn what they want from future partners. not for them to make serious world-changing commitments of love when they're not even adults yet.

from the bottom of my heart: even if miles and gwen do get together, it's a training wheels relationship. she's gonna break up with him when she graduates, or if she doesn't, that's a yikes, because she's stuck waiting on him when she should be moving into adulthood.

gwen b's hangup is that she was denied the chance for that kind of romance-- with peter, because he died. with miles, because they were separated too long and by the time they reunited her crush on him had cooled, she had a thing with hobie and she was in a different headspace. girl was homeless for five months, an interdimensional secret agent, living with an anarchist who she was probably sleeping with. there's no way you can go back to cute high school romance after that. and that's okay.

there is no miles morales in 65. in the comics, his parents don't meet. i assume it's the same in the film. so gwen a assumes that b is talking about miles warren. there's a hot-for-teacher joke that used to be here.

still. very interesting that comics gwen has to contend with advances from a guy named miles who sees her as an object to possess. and so does movie gwen, except comic gwen's miles is an evil villain, and movie gwen's is a hero her age. different situations... but same result: gwen being denied her agency by a miles who wants something from her that will hurt her if she gives it to him.

miles isn't gwen's best friend. in canon, she knew him for one bus ride and then never again. she knows pav and hobie far better by the time miles comes back into the picture. they are closer to her than miles ever was. and in the fic, that's even more so, bc she and miles only hang out for one afternoon, then a month; but she's known hobie for about 7 and pav for about 5.

gwen being out of the loop with miles will come back in chapter 7. he's changing too. she doesn't realize that.

miles is important to gwen, but he's not her boyfriend or her best friend.

growing up: you're gonna regret the shit you never did as much as you regret the shit you did. gwen b needs closure on the gwiles-aversion. yes, it could've been nice in some other scenario, but it didn't happen. and it's okay that it didn't happen and she can be both sad and relieved about it.

the forest hills house

in the comics, gwen and her father have a home in forest hills, where they're next-door neighbors to the parkers. usually that's mj's role, so it was a fun switchup.

i'm trying to infuse movie gwen with her comics self's history where it feels compliant. so, same grandfather. same house. her mom dies later than in the comics, which is ~when gwen came out to her dad, and the strain of those medical bills causes them to lose the house and move to the city (... which was also motivated by gwen's transness. she'd have an easier time there than in a suburb).

the house being helen's is a headcanon on my part. george stacy was in the yancy street gang as a kid, so he probably wouldn't have enough money to buy a house in the 'burbs, or family who'd leave it for him. helen would.

jennifer walters was comics gwen's lawyer.

comics gwen's dad is still alive and the house is still theirs. in this fic though, he isn't, and gwen sells the house to pay for the lawyer.

growing up: the girls are having a moment of immaturity for shits and giggles. gwen a's feeling nostalgic and seeking a little closure that b inspires her to do something about.

standard high is where 616 gwen went to school. 65 gwen went to midtown with peter. standard's also where action gwen goes to high school-- it's got uniforms, so it's presumably a prep or religous school. i went with catholic so we could have the reference to saints, to joan specifically (a woman who's hated and killed for defying gender norms to go into battle, who's deified only after her death). and to the spider-society being basically a religion.

also, comics gwen's family isn't religious, but her mother had a christian burial. presumably there was something of a disillusionment afterwards. i'm assuming the same for movie gwen, given that we see her saying grace with her dad and the parkers.

helen stacy's death is unknown. in the comics, she dies when gwen's a baby. in the film, no answer. i'm assuming it was an illness and she died in gwen's childhood. more angst that way, and i figure gwen coming out to her dad after her mom's death would make him more willing to accept it.

the parkers are supporting chars in the latour run but totally vanish in mcguire's. out of universe, the author probably forgot. in universe, maybe they moved now that peter's death has closure, and they're probably not too thrilled about living next to the girl who killed him.

ned's peter's bully in the movie; he attacks ned specifically, so they're going with him being triggered by his bullies and 'wanting to be a hero' like gwen (who was presumably starting to fight crime at that point).

in the comics, peter is also bullied, not necessarily by ned. but he doesn't attack the prom in an attempt at being a hero, or standing up to his bullies. he becomes the lizard bc he's embarrassed that gwen, a girl, is fighting his battles for him. he tries to kill his own friend because he's angry that she went out with him instead. comics peter is an incel.

i really fucking hate that they made gwen return his feelings and smoothed up his motivations in the movie.

a gwen who isn't interested in peter parker romantically, and literally kills him to get him off of her and does not fucking like being forced to be someone's girlfriend would be too subversive, i guess. especially in a story where she's only in it to be the male hero's girlfriend.

(especially a hero who has trauma related to watching peter parker be killed by having his ribs bashed in by someone's bare fists)

the comics don't really go into that, to be fair. it's all mentioned, but never dwelled on. plus peter's very deified by the for peter campaigns, and the library.

peter calling her doll, and her hating that, is from the mcguire run. she knew he was into her and didn't like it.

shades of gray: gwen a knows her peter isn't a good person in the end, but still regrets killing him and wishes things had worked out. she doesn't want to absolve herself, but she wants to forgive herself (... which she can only get from another version of herself).

there are worse things you can do: hobie callback. total forgiveness and understanding from gwen b.

gwen b's still a little too black and white. she goes from demonizing the peter killing to wishing she could've done it now that she knows the context. missing the point, which a calls her on.

in the comics, gwen a gets her powers back because she stays bonded to venom. her costume is dope. her powerset is dope. the themes of a girl finding literal power in embracing her demons instead of exorcising them are dope.

... no wonder the movies didn't adapt the symbiote. again, too transgressive. draws attention away from miles, gives her powers he doesn't have, a girl having messy emotions is a turn-off... and no boy would want to touch someone wearing that suit.

the symbiote's made of tiny goopy shapeshifting spiders.

it gives gwen all the basic spider-powers, except now she has organic webbing. she can breathe underwater, in a burning building, and with her nose and mouth covered (which she learns thanks to sue strangling her). it can resemble any outfit/camouflage her as well as miles's invisibility. it can heal her.

allegorically, gwen's power-up pill era was her being dependent on drugs and forced to see an abuser to get them.

the suit is gross and terrifying. it makes gwen physically repulsive to look at yet it's what sets her free and allows her to keep her agency. that's why b is drawn to it.

its diet is from the comics. kale chips!

yes, gwen in the comics calls her gummies 'the girls.' and they are called 'gummy spiders' too.

poltergeists: lots of ghost imagery in this chapter.

on the roof

gwen a discusses her anger the same way she'd talk about the symbiote. that's what it's symbolic of: all her unattractive 'dangerous' instincts and feelings. you know, the ones that girls are encouraged to repress or deny.

b wants a symbiote bad at this point.

gwen b's so stuck on not killing peter bc she's afraid of how it affects her arc. the one thing true about canon events is that people don't change unless something triggers it. and in the case of comics gwen, her compassion, her aversion to killing, her awareness of her anger's consequences, her tendency to pull her punches and her understanding of the moral grays of being a villain stem from killing peter, and the trauma and regret of that situation.

sure, movie gwen never got her hands dirty. but she also never learned those lessons.

movie gwen stagnates for a full year in her debut issue. she hasn't made any progress since itsv, while miles grows so much. she's still stuck at the start of her arc, unable to move on. probably to make sure she isn't too mature for miles.

movie gwen's world is missing a lot of key characters. aside from the janes not being her friends, harry's gone. that removes the incel subtext of peter's character, and means her symbiote either won't exist or has to happen in a different way.

so literally: the atsv writers hollowing out gwen's world to make her lonely and remove any rivals for miles, and any hangups she'd have about being the hero's girlfriend, is directly leading to her not being able to grow as a person or get the thing that empowers her. i hate gwiles, i'm sorry, i hate this ship so much, because of what it does to gwen. no matter how nice he is, no matter how cute they are, she can only be with him if she's stagnating.

important to point out that's the issue with gwen's film world being different. things don't have to happen the same way, but if you make a change, make it to enhance a character, not detract from them.

comics-gwen's dad quit the force for her too.

divergence: he doesn't die due to that coma. i already told you the change was to homage gwen-617. so's a chewing out b for not going home: "i would do anything to have more time with my dad" is all 617.

coming home

gwen coming home on her birthday was a happy accident.

since this gwen's a few months older than her movie canon counterpart, is voluntarily going home with the knowledge that things CAN work out, and has a portal watch to take her away and at least two places she can go in the event that it doesn't, i imagine their conversation goes down differently. instead of an emotionally devastated kid with nowhere to go begging her dad to please not arrest her, she's coming to him to let him know that she wants to come home but will be okay if she can't.

and bc she's coming home with agency, she's going to want to keep it. they have to talk, seriously, about terms for her return. gwen's growing up, and she can't lose that ground.

this is the testing part of the seven stages of grief. time to evaluate whether the new solutions of meeting her self, going home and adopting a symbiote are possible. they are!

her dad has a visions sweatshirt. presumably he went there or gwen did.

gwen invites her older self over for dinner and to spend the night as a thank you for getting the family back together. and probably to help explain where the fuck she's been.

i assume a and her dad are having a very emotional daddaughter convo while gwen's dismantling her bedroom.

the 'other reason' gwen can't sleep is the symbiote. gwen knows a's here to offer it to her, and she wants it.

coming home to your childhood room after spending months elsewhere is difficult. you realize that the person you were when you left isn't the person you are when you return. another part of growing up is getting that feeling for the first time.

functionally speaking: gwen was homeless for eight months. being homeless teaches you pragmatism. she's not going to look at the clutter the same way again.

gwen spent seven-ish months sleeping most consistently in hobie's bed, with hobie next to her. she's used to that, and would miss it.

more river smell nod. both because she misses hobie, and because taking that fall from grace, hitting the metaphorical hudson, and absorbing the stench is what gwen needs most, and being her father's daughter won't let her do that.

one of the conditions her father and she agreed on was: gwen will still be spider-woman, but she has to be honest about where she's going and what she's up to.

yes it's shitty of her to be leaving so soon. but she has to make it clear to her dad that she's serious about it, or he'll revert to dad mode and start smothering her again.

gwen's doing the jump at twilight to lessen the chance of someone seeing them.

in the comics, em is the host of venom's offspring. here, it's gonna be gwen b. the timing worked out, and since fic-a has no multiverse experience, there'd be no way for that plot to be resolved otherwise. also it's confusing as hell to write two gwenoms. b had to get a different symbiote for my own sanity.

"carnage beforehand" -- yup, it's carnage. gwen won't call it that, but that's who it is.

also, carnage was killing em jay. the symbiote's tuned to gwen's genetics, and would've killed her with radiation poisoning if she kept it for too long. so gwen b is literally the perfect host.

miguel, peter b and george would all refuse to let gwen get the symbiote. peter b and george bc of their dad instincts, miguel bc he's a control freak using dad instincts to justify his control freakiness.

jess would be repulsed: she has a strong sense of What's Allowed and What's Not, and consensually joining with a symbiote for good is definitely Not.

miles and pav are kind boys, but they're boys and they're spider-men. they'd see this as gwen being corrupted and confused and needing to be saved from herself.

and hobie wouldn't stop her from doing something to reinforce her autonomy, but in his world venom's the uniform of the riot police so even he'd be averse to the symbiote.

b bonding with carnage would actually be a good solution for 65a. it saves the otherwise-host em from the pain and trauma of being a host, and 65 from destruction. and it removes a potential villain from a's dimension.

it also solves the problem of 65b not having a clear path to gwen getting her symbiote. fuck it, we'll outsource.

and it is also gwen wanting its power. wanting to become something that would terrify the society and scare off anyone who'd want to put her in the girlfriend box again. wanting to be angry and self-preservationist and never having to worry about being alone for it again. and wanting a way to preserve that anger and keep control over it.

plus, the gwens have a reason to hang out now.

'give it to me'' -- callback to chapter 3's infirmary scene. a final step in gwen's transition, now along with the final evolution of her as a hero: surrendering the need to fit into any prescribed boxes about what she's allowed to be, embracing what it'll take to make her happy and let her live, and being affirmed in it regardless of what people think of it.

gwen 65's world is at its best when it's horror adjacent. her major rogues are mad scientists and their creations, a devil, a werewolf, an invisible woman... and venom, who is technically a demon that she's possessed by.

they're on the george washington bridge. a leap of faith is a classic affirmation of a spider-hero's identity. and this particular bridge has such a heavy history with gwen in particular that it's gonna trigger the emotional reaction needed to activate and bond with the symbiote.

comics gwen did bond with her symbiote over music!

she also fed her symbiote to her dad, so it could heal him from his coma, and be in a safe place while she was in prison. (albeit in this fic, he's essentially brain-dead and can't be resusciated)

abyss= a motif throughout the fic, finally paying off. abysses are moral low points, and they're also deep underwater spaces full of scary shit. it made sense that gwen's would be in the hudson.

carnage is more bloodthirsty than venom, but a symbiote reflects its host more often than not. og carnage bonded to a serial killer. fic-carnage is bonding to a girl who wants to do whatever it takes to ensure her own agency and survival. it's going to be the avatar of her anger, and the voice of that gut feeling she's been wrestling with.

technically gwen should've been killed by that fall. but she's super-strong and has a symbiote absorbing the blast so, shrug.

gwen a wasn't laughing when she joined with the symbiote because she lost her mind. it was because it felt really fucking good to finally have that power, and that partnership.

payoff for the breathing underwater motif! symbolically, and literally!

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from seanan mcguire's ghost-spider run. yet another issue 4 quote. issue 4 is bomb, check it out.

[fuckblast]

Not timely but whatever across the spider verse but the prominent characters are 60s spiderman YouTube poop spiderman, YouTube ass slap bed hump spiderman, and the spiderman I play in spiderman PS4 (which I only bought after accidentally following the subreddit looking for /r/spiders) who I've decided by sheer laws of physics against my enemies is for sure a homicidal freak that JJJ is totally right about

[up-risingrp]

i ADORE this premise. how are you guys doing member groups for the site?

Here are our current member groups:

powered individuals

Extremely Dangerous - Wanda, Strange, Magneto, Jean, Tony, Xavier

— Can level an entire city, would require heavy monitoring, considered a threat to the country should they decide to go rogue

Highly Dangerous - Bruce, Scott Summers, Fantastic Four

— Able to cause much damage through their own powers but destruction is kept mostly to what is around them rather than affecting entire cities

Medium Risk - Scott Lang, Steve Rogers, Frank Castle, Bucky, Hawkeyes, Emma Frost

— Able to harm others around them but destruction of property is mostly kept to a minimum. Telepaths are this category as they can influence others around them.

Low Risk - Nick Fury, Maria

— Humans that can cause damage or mutants whose abilities are not considered life threatening

— former mutant SHIELD agents

non-powered individuals

CIVILIANS - OC humans, Pepper, Happy, Coulson, Leo Fitz

—- Can include those that harm others but if they are a part of the government, they are not considered a risk as they are following orders

GOVERNMENT - OC humans, Jemma Simmons, Everett Ross

— members of the government that are not on the radar of the DODC

MEDIA - OC humans, JJJ Jameson, Trish Walker

— members of the media that influence how people see the registration laws

ADDITIONALLY: we also have an algorithm that will help us determine where characters will fall based on the other stats including their fame, intelligence, and assets

[spider-ink]

Let's skip to the issue right after George Stacy's death.

ISSUE 91 VOLUME 1

In the previous issue a bunch of civilians witnessed Doc Ock destroy a building, causing chunks of it to fall and hit Captain Stacy instead of a little boy (it was an accident on Ock's part, but they don't know). The fault should've fallen on Otto yet, somehow, EVERYBODY believes that it is Spider-Man's fault. The writer justified it by saying it was a Twist of fate, magically everyone thinks Spider-Man is a killer.

How is this not the equivalent, if not worse, than what Zeb Wells has done in his recent (horrible) run? At least the Fantastic Four had half an excuse to be angry at Peter for breaking into their building, stealing a dangerous reactor and attacking them. I say half only because they (especially Reed and Johnny) should've understood his situation and reasoning.

Beyond that, I've seen many people say that Gwen supported a white supremacist, yet seem to forget/ignore/not know that someone else briefly supported and said some very worrying things.

In this issue, JJJ states various times how he doesn't really like the Liberal ideologies and, worse, he states that it was better back in the '30s, with all the fascist ideologies. JJJ says this to the face of his assistant Robbie, a black man, that he doesn't care about Bullit's other beliefs, as long as he can crush Spider-Man. Rightfully, Robbie isn't happy in the slightest about this.

Believing that Peter doesn't support her in her weakest moment, Gwen immediately takes the path of revenge, wanting Spider-Man to be behind bars, and seeks out Sam Bullet who she assumed to be a good man because her father knew him back when he was a cop. Now, her obvious line of thought seems to be: My father was a good cop = All cops are good, which we know isn't true.

Sam Bullit plays on Gwen's recent pain from her father's death, makes a grand speech about anarchists and implies that Spider-Man is one of them and he is ready to bring him to justice (just as Gwen wants).

ISSUE 92

After finding Gwen and Bullit in his apartment, Peter does his hero reputation no help and plays right into Bullit's hand, taking away Gwen Stacy, making everyone think that after killing her father, he's after her too.

To save the day are Robbie and Peter, who, after finding out about all of Bullit's actions behind the scenes tells JJJ and, this time, he says the Bugle doesn't support white supremacists.

What bugs me off is that the only woman who plays a major role in those two issues immediately falls for Bullit's charade and can't seem to see past it yet the other three men who have important roles know it is all a ruse and, most of all, know and come to know that Sam Bullit is a white supremacist. It seems to play on the belief that women don't know much about politics.

Anyway, to sum it up: Gwen wasn't supporting a white supremacist, she thought she was supporting someone who believed Spider-Man, her father's "killer", was mocking the law and deserved to be put in prison.

[flat-creek-solutions]

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This is the only point where he speaks up. And actually, thinking about it... this makes sense. Think about Spider-Man's career. He starts in show business. Then he doesn't stop a robber because it doesn't get him anything, who goes on to kill someone, then he goes vigilante and captures that one guy, and returns to show business.

That looks a lot like a publicity stunt, in a way. Imagine if you heard that Stone Cold Steve Austin had gone into a warehouse, beaten up a criminal hiding in there, and then was doing a bunch of shows. You wouldn't think "wow he cares a lot about law and order."

I remember that at the end of this comic, JJJ thinks Spider-Man sabotaged the launch in order to save it for publicity, and that makes sense too! After that first stuff, the Bugle prints a bunch of hate on him, and then suddenly the owner's son (who was in a big important newsworthy event) is in danger and oh look here comes Spider-Man to save him! Don't you feel bad for giving him that bad press? Don't you want to tell everyone how great he is?

It's all just a little too convenient, and exactly what an awful, swindling Spider-Man would do.

That's another evil Spider-Man idea, who actually does fight crime as a stunt for his shows, and broke the rocket to save John Jameson as a PR stunt. Obviously in that universe JJJ would praise him to high heaven.