#Plo saying they are sorry at the end of the wrong Jedi arc is not the same

[lauransoverthinking]

Ahhh! Help, I’m back on my shit again!

No O66 AUs where Ahsoka wants to return to the Jedi but is still working through all of the feelings of betrayal, hurt, abandonment.

They love to focus on Ahsoka lashing out, blaming, being angry. Which is fair. I think to say she wouldn’t is disingenuous to her character, especially during this time period. She is flawed (this is another gripe about all fanon characterization - leave your favs flawed, they are better this way).

But what they never do is have someone from the order (who isn’t Anakin) say they understand why she feels this way.

They never tell her they understand why she hurts and doesn’t trust and is angry. It’s always “it’s because she’s young”.

And yeah, that contributes, but whether they had an option or not (they did not - fucking senate, fucking Tarkin, fucking insidious bastard), her family kicks her out and she is almost executed. That is justifiable trauma, and I would argue it would be traumatic for anyone, regardless of age.

I understand Plo apologies on behalf of the council before she leaves, but there is a difference between “we are sorry” and “we see you and your emotions are valid.”

Anyways, this is my way of saying I love when Ahsoka is messy about the Jedi and has to work through those issues, but some of you treat her being upset about her expulsion and near execution the same as my five-year-old throwing a tantrum when I take away a toy.

Attributing it to age and Anakin’s influence is too simple. There are actual issues here, and you can be pro Jedi and pro council and pro Obi-wan and still admit she has a reason to be upset.

[skyvaikers]

all is well [ commander wolffe ]

authors note: i’m going to be writing a lot of these kind of au’s because i need it

summary: au where order 66 never happens and palpatine is killed. the republic is busy rebuilding planets and the homes of their own people, but, when there’s a little break, commander wolffe is sure to take it.

warnings: just a bunch of fluff you guys

requested by: @casually-introverted

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no one ever thought the jedi would listen to arc trooper fives when he preached about organic chips planted in their brains. the jedi, for a moment, didn’t believe him; why would someone implant chips that would turn their own men against them?

eventually, anakin skywalker convinced the council that it at least called for an investigation, and so, an investigation there was. long story short, the chips were all removed, which in the end prevented another large scale war. palpatine was found guilty of treason against the republic and executed for his crimes, the kaminoans were relieved of duty and were replaced with actual medics. one of those medics was a woman named y/n l/n. 

since a lot of planets still needed resettling, she traveled with the rescue teams to help heal the natives of these pain-stricken planets. she went with the wolfpack, led by jedi master plo and clone commander wolffe. she and the clone commander had been in a relationship for two years, everyday proving to be harder in the sense of seeing each other. 

the days on the planet were long and hard. the natives had been wounded and sucked out of resources by the separatists. y/n was taking care of the sick, the wounded, and many others. she didn't have time to even say good morning to wolffe. her hands were raw, her eyes were red, and she was exhausted. there was nothing she’d rather do than just sleep, but she knew that these people needed her more than anything. 

night had fallen over the camp, which meant the medics were putting the severely injured and sick to bed. the medics rarely got sleep, since they had to stay up and nothing went wrong. y/n was always staying up, allowing her coworkers to sleep some. tonight, she was with one other woman, but she still felt alone. she was cuddled up on a chair, her eyes slowly scanning the sleeping people in front of her. she knew that if she closed her eyes for one second she’d fall asleep, someone would have an issue and she wouldn’t be awake to treat it. 

she heard footsteps enter the tent, causing her to lift her tired eyes to look at who had walked in. she smiled when she saw that it was commander wolffe. he smiled, something he rarely did in the war. that was another thing that was so surreal; they weren’t fighting anymore. 

“hey,” she rasped, sitting up in her chair. she was careful not to wake any of the patient, especially if they were small children; she’d never be able to get them to go back to sleep. he motioned her to follow him outside, and she turned towards her coworker. she nodded her head and winked, making y/n roll her eyes. 

she slowly rose from the chair and followed wolffe outside of the tent. they walked for a while until they were far enough out of earshot. 

“I appreciate you bringing me out of earshot, but I can’t leave willa there alone.” she told wolffe. he chuckled, crossing his arms over his chest. 

“you have been doing night-watch by yourself for how many days now? I think she’ll be fine for one night.” he smiled. she could get used to this, seeing his smile and hearing his laugh. she lowered her eyes; he was right. 

“fine,” she smiled. he took her hand and led her back into camp, but not back to the medical tent. instead, he led her back to his own. he led her inside and invited her to sit down on his cot. 

“come ‘ere.” he whispered, pulling y/n closer to him. she knew the relief that he must have felt, knowing that he had his chip removed, the very thing that would make him turn against the jedi he considered a father. wolffe’s mood had boosted since that, his overall demeanor had changed. he smiled more, he laughed some. it was something his men, y/n, and general plo didn’t expect. 

y/n leaned against him, feeling her eyes growing heavier and heavier as she laid her head on his shoulder. wolffe slowly leaned back and rested his back against the wall, his legs up on the cot. y/n fell with him, her head moving to rest on his chest. 

“I'm so glad we found those chips,” she murmured. wolffe nodded in agreement, pressing a soft kiss to the top of her head. he thought about if he those chips hadn’t been found out, he would have been forced to kill y/n, his love. he didn’t have to worry about that though, because she was safe in his arms and she wasn’t going to leave him. 

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ok so the last episode of the clone wars ruined me. I cried so hard. I'm glad this was requested because this made me feel better. I hope you enjoyed and this is what you were looking for! if not, I'm sorry! but I hope you still enjoyed! requests are open, so feel free to drop one! 

[ilummoss]

I really wanna talk about this, and I had a day off so I’m going to! Yaaay!

Palpatine’s way of framing and reframing things for Anakin is genius and something I find myself truly liking (whilst hating him for it). 

Two exchanges in Rising Malevolence (tcw s1 ep2) really stood out for me when I first saw it. First, we have a conversation between Palpatine and the Jedi Council when they learn that Anakin and Ahsoka have run off to look for Plo Koon (against orders). Mace is upset/displeased when he thinks that the supply lines are vulnerable, but when he learns that Anakin left his fleet where it’s supposed to be he makes no further remarks. Yoda seems mostly concerned about Anakin and Ahsoka’s safety, whilst complaining about troublesome grandchildren (Top 3 Yoda daily-pleasures). 

Then we have the second exchange, this time between Sheev and Anakin, as Palpatine relays the conversation he just had with the council with a fresh new spin: 

(I believe Palpatine is here still in that stage of denial where he believes that ignoring the Padawan hard enough might just magically make her go away.)

Palpatine then orders them to return immediately. It’s a small moment but I was blown away by it, because we just saw the council! We just saw that conversation a minute earlier and the council was not furious. But Palpatine, never one to let an oppurtunity to sow discord pass him by, makes sure to frame their conversation in the most negative light possible, without loosing plausable deniability. If confronted he could still claim it’s a misunderstanding: “those Jedi can be so hard to read.” or “that’s just how I saw it, I meant no harm.”

Also as I mentioned Palpatine really makes it seem like the Jedi council are ordering the mission to be stopped, when that wasn’t what happened. The council didn’t even bring up calling off the rescue mission. I suspect this is all Sidious, wanting to make sure that there are no surviving witnesses to the Malevolence. He just makes sure to throw the blame in the usual direction. 

However, Anakin is now going in to any interaction with the council about this situation believing they were "furious” at him (and his rescue mission). Anakin will interpret those interactions through that lence. Well played Palpatine.

One can also point out that Palpatine was the first to question Anakin’s decision. Looks to me like Palpatine is trying to stir up conflict on both sides, framing Anakin negatively to the Jedi council...

Then the same thing appeared in the Obi-Wan & Anakin comic.

Just your kind uncle Sheev, framing your new lifestyle to hint at you having no choices in it and then connects it to slavery. Really though, he brings slavery into the conversation right after this. He is intentionally trying to connect the two in baby Anakin’s mind, and it’s just... He is horrible and amazing and evil.  (Nope, no choices to make as a Jedi. That’s not like one of the most important reasons they have to have their shit under such good control or anything.)

It happens repeatedly in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. 

We see Anakin go visit the chancellor in AotC after being given his first solo mission and Palpatine more or less goes: “Thank our dark lords that the Jedi finally see how awesome you are Anakin. You’ve been patient waiting so long.” There’s an implication of Anakin having been ready for this before but that it hasn’t been acknowledged by anyone but Palpatine. 

It’s also in this movie Anakin repeatedly complains about how Obi-Wan is holding him back because he’s jealous. He’s repeating Palpatine’s hidden talking points (and most often he seems to understand Obi-Wan better than this), fully articulcating the reframings Palpatine has repeatedly given him, combined with his own arrogance and anger. 

(It’s not wrong to, as a teenager, be frustrated with still being treated as a child by adults around you, and question it. But it’s also something those adults to some degree might have to do, because you are still a child in some important ways. They are responsible for your safety and education. They often have good motives.)

Then in RotS:

“It’s upsetting to me to see that the council doesn’t seem to fully appreciate your talents. Don’t you wonder why they won’t make you a Jedi master?”

...yes Anakin, don’t you wonder why these people who don’t appreciate your talents won’t make you a master? Oh, I already gave you the answer? Peculiar.

He literally starts by saying the Jedi don’t appreciate him, don’t acknowledge his talents. He then follows up with the “don’t you wonder why”. That is not a neutral question. That Anakin deserves this, that him not being made master is something one ought to wonder about, is how the question is framed. He is reframing what Anakin has told him to make Anakin think badly of the Jedi’s motivations and feel entitled to what he has not yet earned.

Over and over again Palpatine is ascribing people around Anakin (mostly the Jedi in this post, but I’m sure there’s more) attributes, motives and feelings we should be really sceptical of. Because he is doing this with a clear agenda: Anakin’s isolation from the Jedi, his friends, and his support network, with the ultimate goal of Darth Vader.

What I think made this so effective a strategy to use with Anakin though, is that I believe considering other people’s points of views is something of a weakness for him. He won’t naturally sit down and consider other’s perspectives, which makes him more readily accept Palpatine’s pre-packaged ones as the truth. On a more reflective or empathic person, this method would not have worked nearly as well. But Anakin is somewhat self-centered.

He would tear his heart out for the people he loves, oh yes, but he won’t think about whether they want him to. He wants to give them so much, everything really, but doesn’t ask what they want. And when they tell him he has a hard time listening. Not that he never does, but it takes effort for him. Anakin wants to do things for others, to do good, but he tends to always approach it from his own point of view*. He is this amazing combination of generosity, compassion, self-centeredness and in the end: selfishness.

Palpatine spends 10+ years taking full advantage of this, it is a strong, persistent pattern and I love it. It’s absolutely insidious (hehehe... he.... ...I’m sorry😔). It’s a very fitting manipulation style for Darth Sidious. It brings minimal risk to him. Like I said before, in all of these situations Palpatine can still safely retreat to it being a misunderstanding and that he meant no harm/offence, playing up his grandfatherly persona. It’s a smart way of undermining Anakins relationship to the Jedi and others around him, by making Anakin view them and their interactions in a negative light. Palpatine isn’t often directly lying to Anakin; you can be caught in a direct lie. He lies by implication and how he presents matters in their conversations.

Well, this has been a Sheev Palpatine appreciation post!

TL;DR: Let The Zillo Beast Eat Sheev Palpatine 2020

*I think Ahsoka (and being a mentor) was amazing for Anakin when it came to this because he did the best at considering other’s perspective’s when he was with her, for her. He had such a different role with her than with Padmé or Obi-Wan (not to take away from those relationships, which were soo important and also (most often) really good for him (looking at you Clovis arc). People can be good for you in different ways, support you in different ways) and that was super good for him.

They helped each other grow so much, OF COURSE Sidious had to remove her. Anakin actually growing into a more understanding and less self-centered person was the last thing he wanted. 

[sirloozelite]

Hi! I have a chapter/prompt idea for you. Remember the line in the Ahsoka book that goes... “what do you even know about family?” Kaeden said. “You never had one. And you probably never had friends, either. Just clones who had to do everything you said, because you were their superior officer.” Would love to see Ahsoka and Kaeden talk about it in a prompt/chapter. It really struck a nerve in me. The Jedi and clones were Ahsoka’s family and majority of them died... :(

Hey anon, hope you didn’t mind the wait for the reply. Wanted to get it all good and everything. I took your idea and ran with it a bit. It might not be 100% what you wanted, but I hope you liked what I did do. Thanks for the prompt. Feel free to send more my way. Same goes for the rest of you. XD

1: Kaeden and Ahsoka speak about family

"Hey, I need to talk to you. It's important."

Ahsoka Tano was no expert at romance. There was a reason many of her closest friends, her girlfriend included, often referred to her as the 'Queen of being Dense'. Nine times out of ten she missed the subtle social cues that usually indicated that something was wrong, or that something shouldn't be investigated or talked about.

Of course though, Ahsoka just had to be the person who would break all of those rules! She blamed her time as an undercover spy.

That said, even she knew when something was bothering someone, and by the way Kaeden has suddenly sunk onto the couch next to her, her posture slouched in despair and her tone grim, it was something bad.

And as Kaeden Larte's girlfriend, it was Ahsoka's job to find out what the problem was!

"What's up?" Ahsoka replied as she bookmarked the page of the 'Book of Hondo', setting it aside for later, before moving closer to Kaeden, one arm wrapping round the human woman.

Kaeden didn't answer immediately, though she did raise her head from where she had been staring at the floor blankly. Her eyes, usually so bright with joy and focus, and sometimes mischievousness, instead seemed to have a dark shadow to them, as if something was haunting the gateway to her soul.

"Kaeden? Talk to me."

"I need to apologise to you."

That surprised Ahsoka! What did Kaeden possibly have to apologise for? If anything Ahsoka was the one that should be apologizing on a daily basis for all the crazy stunts she pulled.

Still, whatever Kaeden felt like she had to apologize for was clearly eating her up inside, so Ahsoka didn't hesitate to respond.

"I forgive you."

"No! I… you don't even know what I'm apologizing for!

"I know… but I already forgive you."

"Please Ahsoka… just… just let me speak."

Ahsoka didn't miss the way Kaeden had winced as Ahsoka had 'forgiven' her without blinking an eye. The thought that Kaeden thought that Ahsoka wouldn't forgive her hurt the Togruta. Did Kaeden not know how special she was to Ahsoka?

"Ok Kaeden… ok. What do you need to apologize for?"

Kaeden lowered her head for a few seconds as she contemplated how to phrase whatever was on her mind. Ahsoka didn't want to rush her, but every moment that passed was hell for the Togruta. She hated seeing anyone suffer, double so for Kaeden.

"About Raada. About what I said to you when you first revealed your Force powers. I said you didn't know what it was like to have a family. That all you had were Clones to boss around because you were their commanding officer. I was wrong to say that, and I was wrong to say you didn't know what it meant to have a family and I'm so sorry for what I said to you."

Ahsoka's eyes widened. She had honestly forgotten that Kaeden had ever said such a thing! Had she really said something that could have been taken in such a cruel way?

Memories came back to Ahsoka, one of an angry Kaeden surrounded by her friends and sister on Raada, accusing her of not helping them fight the Empire more, of not doing enough!

But even back then, Ahsoka had remembered not being angry at the words. She had understood, and in some ways she agreed. What did Ahsoka know about a true family? She had been taken from hers at three years of age after all.

"What's brought this on Kaeden?" Ahsoka asked quietly, pulling the human woman closer to her, resting her head atop Kaeden's, hoping it offered some comfort. From the way Kaeden leaned in closer as well, Ahsoka could tell it was having some sort of positive effect.

"I was speaking to Rex. I told him what I said to you and he… well he didn't take it too well to say the least."

Ahsoka didn't even realize she had frozen up until she felt Kaeden's palm gently wrap around her own, squeezing intently as a reminder that she was still there. Ahsoka couldn't help the build up of anger at herself that occurred suddenly. She was supposed to be comforting Kaeden… not the other way around!

"What did Rex say?" Ahsoka inquired, worried that her girlfriend had just inadvertently made an enemy out of her oldest and most trusted friend.

"He called me unreasonable and said I was damned lucky to have you. He said if anyone ever hurt his little sister he would kill them, then clone them just so he could kill them again. I don't think he was even kidding!"

Once more Ahsoka's eyes widened at Kaeden's recount of Rex's words. In all honesty, she wasn't that surprised about ex's reaction. The old Clone Captain was fiercely territorial and defensive when it came to people he saw as his brothers and family, and in Ahsoka's case, his little sister.

There was a time Ahsoka could recall that all of the Clones in the 501st saw her that way. Rex was always willing to teach her, to help her improve herself.

Fives was always willing to joke around with her. He had taught her how not to succumb to the pressures of command.

Echo had taught her how to be patient, how to follow procedure when it mattered most. Losing him at the Citadel had been a major blow for them all.

Kix and Coric had taught her how to save people in more ways than one. It didn't matter that they weren't always out fighting, as they fought the most dangerous and formidable foe in existence on a daily basis and won. Combating death was one hell of a task after all.

It wasn't just the boys in the 501st that had taught her either. Both Cody and Wolffe had given her new perspective on things. Through their teachings and encouragement, she had learned how to adapt on the fly, how to improvise, and most importantly, how to get the job done.

And then there were the rest. Hardcase had taught her to be bold. Waxer and Boil had taught her the importance of companionship. Dogma had taught her to have faith and not lose it.

And Jesse had taught her how to be cautious. It was not the lesson she wished she had learnt from him, but it was the most important one of her life, one she had carried with her as Fulcrum. When Order 66 had been issued, and Jesse turned on her and Rex, Ahsoka had no choice but to act.

There were nights where she still saw the Arc Trooper in her dreams, impaled on a burning green blade, mere seconds away from murdering Rex in cold blood. She did not regret her actions, but she wished how they had been different.

If only things had been different.

"He was right of course. The Clones, despite being your subordinates, were your family. Rex told me about them all. About Fives and Echo, Jesse and Hardcase. Hell he even introduced me to Kix. And then there's the Jedi too!"

Ahsoka listened as Kaeden continued on, recalling more and more of her discussion with Rex, which sounded like had gotten more civil after the old Clone's initial hostility.

"And then Rex told me about the Jedi he knew, about the one's he knew had a strong bond with you. I'm sorry about Master Plo Koon, Ahsoka. I wish I could have met him. He sounded wonderful."

"He really was." Ahsoka couldn't help but reply, her fond memories of the Kel Dor coming to her mind. How she wished he was still here.

"He also told me about Anakin. And Senator Amidala too."

Ahsoka tried not to stiffen at the mention of her former Jedi Master. Even now he was a sore spot, for both her and Rex. How Obi-Wan was able to forgive and forget was unknown to her. She really wished she had his patience and understanding sometimes.

But then she hadn't been there at the end, and Obi-Wan had. Perhaps he knew something she didn't.

"I know you hate him Ahsoka, and no one blames you for it, but from what Rex told me he was like your father figure in many ways. I can't imagine what it was like to have to kill him."

It had been hard at the time…. but like with Jesse it had been necessary. Ahsoka had had to make a difficult decision with the information she had… just as Anakin had taught her too as a Padawan.

And Padmé? Padmé had taught her to trust in her actions, and to know right from wrong.

Ahsoka really hoped that the Senator would be proud of her if she was still alive.

"So I'm sorry. I was wrong to say you didn't know what it was like to have a family, because you did have one. It was just very different from mine." Kaeden finished, squeezing Ahsoka's hand again whilst waiting for the Togruta's response.

Wasting no time and already knowing how she was going to respond, Ahsoka brought her free hand up to Kaeden's cheek, gently pulling the woman's face towards her before placing a gentle kiss to her lips.

Pulling back, Ahsoka rested her forehead on Kaeden's and spoke.

"As I said, you are already forgiven, forever and always. My family may have been different from yours, but back then you had every right to say what you did. I may have lost that family, but now I have a new one in you."

The way Kaeden's face lit up with a small smile was all the response Ahsoka needed. If Kaeden was happy, so was she.

"I…. ok… thanks Ahsoka. I feel like I understand you better now thanks to Rex. I wish I could have met all of your old family."

"Me too Kaeden. Me too." Ahsoka replied, banishing any thoughts of the fate of her old family from her mind. It would not do her well to dwell on the past. Right now all she wanted to focus on was the present.

And that present was Kaeden Larte.

[happytroopers]

Mod Madi here! These headcanons were definitely inspired by watching my brothers Guardians mess around, so hopefully you’ll enjoy them!✌️

Fox🦊:

Fox and the rest of security had been briefed about your Ghost’s importance to your well being

It was very different from the magical force powers of the Jedi he’d been used to but honestly? He’d been to busy and stressed from his duties to really think about what you meant when you said your ghost keeps you alive

When he actually watches you get shot down by Cad Bane, (He was aiming for the chancellor), and actually hears your ghost yell “Guardian Down!” Then witnesses your ghost...Bring you back to life?? In front of everyone.

He’s very shocked to say the least

He can’t stop spluttering

“You-,” points to you, “But he shot-they yelled”points to your ghost, “I don’t understand.”

You guys can discuss more how that this is normal for you over caff and pancakes. (He’s very shaky as you calmly explain that you die on a daily basis. Takes a sip of caff and nervously chuckles, “So...I’m dating a force Zombie??”)

Wolffe����:

The Wolfpack had seen you take damage since you’d been fighting with them on the battlefield

So the Wolfpack and Plo Koon have more of a grasp of ur abilities and knkw ur ghost keeps tabs on you

He gets that ur ghost can heal you?? Or something?

But Wolffe was NOT prepared to watch you die after being gunned down as you “distracted” super battle droids with your “race worthy sparrow tricks”

Watching you die was devastating for him, especially since it had been so hard for him to accept that he did actually love you

He Comes running over to get your body from the battle field, yelling at your ghost like, “Kriff, why weren’t you healing her?! Wasn’t that your ONLY JOB?!”

Just to watch as...come back to life in his arms

Battle or not, once you two were out of the range of fire, he’d hold you in the tightest “wolf” hug and admonish you to NEVER DO THAT AGAIN

After you and your ghost explain more to him that this is normal for you, he still hates it. But, it is comforting to know that he can’t lose you as easily as he can lose his brothers.

Rex:

Rex is no stranger to dealing with reckless comrades(ANAKIN THREw HIM OFF OF A WALL) , so he actually thinks that it’s cool that your “droid” watches your back and heals you and stuff

Especially because YOU’re so reckless??

How are you like this?? (He hates when you do a dance or emote at clankers; he admires your chutzpah but also YOU’re gonna get ShOT?!)

“Ok, so the plan is-They’ve already just...rode their sparrow out into battle haven’t they?” BIG, EXASPERATED SIGH

It’s hard for him because he loves you but why are you trying to GIVE him a heart attack??

So once you die, I mean c’mon you can only emote so long before the clankers don’t miss, Rex is more upset with himself for letting you die

Running to your body is a mix of beating himself up for not protecting you, and a long, loud list of curses over the comms

BUT THEN; You’re ghost does...that?!!

And suddenly you’re alive again!! And end up saving him from getting shot in the back while he stared at you in awe

From then on, your relationship is a lot smoother; I mean tldr; he understands that you’re reckless because u can be without hurting him or others 😚

Cody:

Cody has also dealt with a reckless Jedi for a while, but unlike Rex, he tends to match your chaotic energy in battle and in general.

He loves that sometimes you let him wear your extra capes; he feels fancy like OBI wan and totally will mimic Obi Wan dropping his cape before battle to make you laugh:,)

Also really admired your chutzpah in battle, not everyone is willing to jump into a group of commando droids with nothing but a blue, glow knife? Where did you get that from? It wasn’t holstered to your back before?(referencing the arc special)

He’s shocked to see you die too! But doesn’t splutter. It’s more like, when he sees you fall after getting sniped, that he’s there to catch you, and his adrenaline kinda kicks in to take out the threats

After killing the bad guys, and tenderly holding you close to him, shocked that you could actually die, about to cry-he sCreams when you reanimate and DROPS you out of fear

He’s sorry! You just startled him!

“KRIFFING FORCE?!” He keeps yelling while he immediately picks u back up again, and holds you close in a tight embrace

After you and your ghost explain it to him, he’s really impressed, and actually suggests the “Help! Somethings wrong with this Civilian!” Protocol, where you play dead, He, and or any else, freaks out about your death, only to allow you to reanimate and then take out enemies who run up to see what’s wrong with you(or like imagine a version of get help from Thor ragnarok lol)

[cienie-isengardu]

Well, the great difference between the Jedi and the clones is that while Jedi indoctrination makes for mitigating circumstances, they are still held personally responsible. Yes, the narrative may skirt around these issues, but it still brings them up - Slick calls the clones slaves, Barriss criticizes Jedi's part in the war, otoh Miraj argues that the Jedi themselves are akin to slaves etc. But the clones are blameless. They did not turn against their buddies and slaughter them with a clear head

2/2 to the audience it also feels different to slaughter a complete stranger or a passing aquaitance as opposed to a friend. In spite of all else, how could fandom not hate Wolffe and co. if they killed Plo for no reason than because a superior ordered it? As for the comparison to Kenobi, as opposed to clones he had very good evidence of Anakin’s crimes. If he had any doubt, it disappeared when Anakin strangled Padme. He might not wanted to be the one to deal with it, but there was no one else.

Firstly, I’m sorry it takes me so long to answer, I had really tiresome two weeks at work and couldn’t reply earlier. Also, I lost my first draft of the answer and needed to rewrite it entirety, so sorry in advance for possible grammatical mistakes and so on.

Secondly… Well, I’m not so sure if Jedi were truly held personally responsible in The Clone Wars animated series - yes, TCW’s narrative brought the issue few times, but never really addressed them in a way that made me feel the Jedi actually were forced to think over what happened. Slick’s accusation was pretty fast dismissed, because he was the traitor and “disappointment” and it was his selfish doing that killed so many clone troopers in the process. Barriss would never be brought to trial at all (and thus never openly criticized Jedi Order), if not for Anakin and Padme, the only people willing to prove Ahsoka’s innocence. But did Jedi Council take any blame for the whole fiasco? Not really. They just washed their hands of both Barriss and Ahsoka. Anakin & Plo were the only one who bothered to say “sorry” to Ahsoka, but rest of Council acted as it was the Will of the Force or her Jedi Trail and were now kind enough to allow her come back. In the end, Ahsoka’s departure was about how she couldn’t trust herself since Council didn’t trust her than how they failed a child in their care. I don’t know what happened to Barriss after trial (and since that was public thing, I doubt Jedi could sent her to their own top secret Ghost Prison), but did any Council member or the girl’s master even get involved afterwards? I don’t remember anything like that. Barriss’ words had merit but are easy dismissed - she is terrorist whose action killed innocent people. If she cared so much how Order changed for worse, why she used violence or did not speak about that in more civil way? How she can criticize Jedi when she alone put bombs and killed people?

And the queen Miraj? She was the “bad one”, so why Jedi (or audience that is supposed to cheer up for Jedi) should care for her claims and screwed up ideology/POV? She enriched on human trafficking, allowed to torture, abuse and dehumanization of captured people - what she really knew about Republic and Jedi corruption, if she alone wasn’t saint? Did she really meant that or did she just messed up with Anakin who was forced to obey her, otherwise dear to him people would be hurt? Or Asajj, who by most of time mercilessly killed people and never questioned Dooku’s evil orders until he betrayed her? See, the problem with accusations coming up from the bad ones is that, those characters do not have any higher moral ground to pass judgment or criticize anyone. I admit I didn’t watch TCW for a long time, so I may missed some more important moments (the padawans left behind, for example). But at the end of day, Jedi are the heroes and rescuers, even when some groups didn’t want to be bring into their military conflict. The villains may have valid points, but it’s easy to dismiss them. TCW did not bring criticism for Jedi from the good guys and for most of time, I feel like all accusation only reinforces Jedi false belief how flawless they were.

I mean that. Yoda, Plo and Shaak Ti may gave clones pep talk, but they would send them on suicidal mission without any remorse or doubt, if that was for the greater good. Saving son of Jabba the Hutt is the best example. Does anyone hold Jedi responsible for letting behind slaves in need, when they actually made a deal with slaver? Not really.

Or did any senator (citizen of Republic) even once asked why Jedi will not pay themselves for clone army whose creation they ordered without the senate’s knowledge, when republic budget was discussed? Did anyone asked how out-of-nowhere, there is a full army ready for a war? Did we even see Yoda to explain any Jedi matters to non-Jedi person (senators?) at least one time? Or being questioned by anyone? Not really.

That said, in some sources (usually Legends) Jedi were forced to rethink their choices or were blamed for things that went wrong. Like senator Ask Aak, who blamed Jedi for another lost battle and even questioned not only their ability, but the desire to defeat Dooku. Still, Jedi weren’t hold responsible nor their mistakes weren’t publicized (“Whispers of names that the Jedi would like to pretend never existed. Sora Bulq. Depa Billaba. Jedi who have fallen to the dark. Who have joined the Separatists, or worse: who have massacred civilians, or even murdered their comrades.” [RotS novel]). They did not apologized for action of Jedi who fell to Dark Side. They did not answer to senate or court the way average citizen would be forced to.

Let me quote fragment from Order 66 novel, between ARC troopers and Jedi master Zey that I think sums up pretty much the different idea of obedience:

“They killed us … They killed us all … Why?” […]

“Orders,” Ordo said. “You never read the GAR’s contingency orders? They’re on the mainframe. I suppose nobody thinks contingency orders will ever be needed.”

Zey leaned panting against the door frame as if he was about to collapse. “But why?”

“Because,” said Maze’s voice from outside the doors, “it’s neither your right nor your position to decide who runs the Republic. Who elected you?” […]

“Maze, what are you going to do now?” Ordo asked.

“I’ve never disobeyed an order,” said the ARC captain. Zey didn’t seem to have the strength to turn and look at his former aide, just shutting his eyes as if he was waiting for the coup de grace. “What am I supposed to do? Pick and choose? That’s the irony. The Jedi thought we were excellent troops because we’re so disciplined and we obey orders, but when we obey all orders - and they’re lawful orders, remember - then we’ve betrayed them. Can’t have it both ways, General.”

[…]

“I really must be going, General,” Ordo said. But he had to know. “Just tell me, is it true that Windu tried to depose the Chancellor?”

Zey raised his head all anguish and agony. “He’s a Sith. Can’t you see? A Sith! He’s taking over the government, he’s occupying the galaxy with his new clones, he’s evil…”

“I said, is it true?”

“Yes! It was our duty as Jedi to stop him.” “What’s a Sith?” Maze asked.[…[

“Like Jedi,” Ordo said “only on the other side. Mandalorians fought for them thousands of years ago, and we got stiffed by them in the end. We got stiffed by the Jedi, too. So, all in all, it’s a moot point for us.”

“Palpatine’s probably the one who had you created” Zey said. He was lucky he was still breathing. Ordo wasn’t sure why Maze hadn’t just slotted him. “Why couldn’t you see what he was?”

“Why couldn’t you sniff him out with your Force powers?” Ordo asked. “And why the shab did you never ask where we came from?”

Jedi Order was politically untouchable organization until now. Jedi matters were only for Jedi. The outsiders didn’t have much to say about that nor could put them on public trail (Ahsoka was a special case). Jedi ruled themselves on their own way. But the moment when Mace Windu and Council members attacked Chancellor - a legally elected leader - this changed everything. We know why they did so, but for average citizen of Republic? This was just coup. No one cared for Sith or Dark Side of the Force. Council tried to take control over Republic and so all Jedi paid the price. It’s unfair and cruel, especially for all children killed in Temple and padawans who suddenly lost their masters and friends and remained alone in the cruel galaxy. It’s unfair for all those Jedi that never had anything to say about Order politics or Yoda/Council decisions. But they paid the price and since then Jedi were blamed for everything bad that happened or forgotten for good. But to that point, Jedi rarely were hold responsible for their crimes or ignorance. And TCW made it quite clear, all bad things happened because of Sith’s doing or Jedi who fell to Dark Side or corrupted politicians & greedy people or mad scientist and so on.

But at the same time, clones weren’t blameless. Jedi blamed clones for “betrayal” when troopers suddenly followed someone’s else (legal!) orders. Some people actually don’t think that much about reasons behind clone action, because they don’t see them as human beings. Clones were breed to war and obedience, so it’s easy to dismiss their feelings or beliefs or inner pain, if they really didn’t like Order 66 but still did as were ordered.

I saw Revenge of the Sith in cinema in 2005, way before knowing that much of clone wars era, but even then I didn’t hate clones. For sure I don’t blame them now. Frankly, I wouldn’t mind seeing someone shooting down Yoda for sure. In a way, Jedi had a chance to save themselves during the three years of war. They could dig and dig all the mystery of clone army yet they never did much about that. They took clones (and their obedience) for granted and that was used against them.

Kenobi had a solid proof of Anakin’s crimes. And you know what he still said to Yoda then? I will not kill Anakin.

Despite everything that Skywalker have done, Obi-Wan didn’t want nor feel to be emotionally ready to kill Anakin. And yet he did what Yoda ordered him; he used pregnant woman to get to Anakin (and revealed himself in the worst moment, really). But the worst part of that? He shouldn’t be sent after Anakin. Skywalker should be stopped faster than later, yes. Should be brought to justice, YES. But Palpatine was the biggest threat then. Yoda shouldn’t be so fucking arrogant to think he alone will kill Darth Sidious, when Mace Windu and three other members of Council get killed in less than, like what? Two minutes? And since Yoda felt death of Jedi in the Force I pretty sure he could put all pieces together how quickly they died. My point is, Skywalker fall to Dark Side was important stuff to deal, but death of Palpatine should be prioritized over everything else. Too sure of themselves [Jedi]  are. Even the older, more experienced ones. Yeah, shame Yoda never thought he may be the most arrogant one. And to the end of his life, Yoda had never been held responsible for that arrogance, while hundreds of Jedi paid the ultimate price.