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Fic Finder

Nov 4th

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1. A) Hello! I am looking for a couple of pics that I have been unable to find. They may have already been found, but if so, I am missing them. First one is Wei Wing dies at the siege and is transported back a thousand years or so, before the sects started up I believe. He becomes immortal or a god, can't remember which and travels to learn other magic and cultivations while he waits for the years to catch up to when he was born. I think its a wangxian pairing, but not sure.

B) Hello! Looking for a fic where Wei Ying is not oblivious to his feelings for Lan Zhan. He asks Lan Zhan on basically a date to the town, and the part I remember is he deliberately didn't take an umbrella/coat because according to Nie Huaisang, it would be a perfect romantic opportunity to have Lan Zhan offer the umbrella/coat or vice versa. Lan Zhan thinks Wei Wing is just playing with him and I remember a scene where Wei Ying proves his intention with a kiss and Lan Zhan believes him. @marietsy40-blog

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FOUND? An Unusual Betrothal series by ahealthydoseof (G, 74k, wangxian, time travel, age difference, immortality, BAMF WWX, younger LWJ, older WWX, misunderstandings, fluff & crack, worried parents, rabbits, food, non-sexual intimacy, murder, fix-it of sorts, developing relationship, humor, arranged marriage, jealousy, friendship, family feels, dysfunctional family, fatherhood, angst, hurt/comfort, mentor WWX, natural disasters, sworn brotherhood, serious injuries, kissing)

1B)

FOUND? 🧡 Stunted, Starving Juvenility by TomatenMark (E, 887k, WangXian, WIP, Fix-it of sorts, Talisman master WWX, Not JFM Friendly, Study Arc, Getting together, Fluff and Angst, Engagement)

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2. hi! i’m looking for a fic where wangxian friends and family try to arrange them to get married (i think maybe post sunshot campaign). lxc brought in jgy to help him with negotiations, while jyl and jwy bring nhs to help them. they try to find wx to tell them only to find out they basically ran of and eloped (without knowing that this was happening). the fic should be completed and around 3-8 chapters. thanks! @monyeorel

FOUND? i believe that we can make it (i believe in all of you) by Stratisphyre (T, 17k, WangXian, 3Zun, Canon Divergence, Wedding Planning for Love and Justice, Golden Core Reveal, Getting Together, Everybody Lives)

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3. Hello I want ask something... I can't seem to find this fanfiction I have once read long time ago but this is mainly wangxian ofc and what I remember that this fanfic is modern, wei ying I think he was going to debut or not? Lan zhan is his teacher? Since he called him xiansheng (something like that) Jiang yanli is married to Jin Zixuan in this. Wei ying keeps on updating on social media something like that.

FOUND? 🧡 I Don’t Want to Debut! by countingcr0ws (G, 56k, WangXian, Modern AU, Reality show, Idols, Actor LWJ, Forced Contestant WWX, Tencent’s 2021 Idol Producer)

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4. For fic finder: the allied sects are losing the sunshot campaign so they ask for the aid of the immortal yilling patriarch. He agrees, in return for lwj's hand in marriage. Lwj is very concerned but he gets to burial mounds and finds things are fine actually but there are a lot of unruly children. He starts teaching them and living life, confused by his mostly cold and distant but sometimes friendly husband. Turns out wwx is falling in love with him but thinks lwj is a spy for the jin and after the tiger seal, and married him because he wanted to catch him in the act and make him be a double agent. Lwj is unaware that the jin sect even has designs against his husband because he hates politics. He discovers this after he nearly dies defending A-Qing from an attack by Xue Yang and wwx comes clean. I could say more because i remember a lot about this fic but not the important information like name or author. Thanks!

FOUND! 💖🔒 love, in fire and blood by cicer (E, 360k, WangXian, Canon Divergence, YLLZ WWX, Arranged Marriage, political scheming, Gratuitous Domesticity, Mutual Pining, EXTREME SLOWBURN, the inherent eroticism of the forehead ribbon, The Mortifying Ordeal of Being Known, neither wwx nor lwj want to be Perceived, but sorry kids! it’s gonna happen!, rated E but the the NSFW stuff doesn’t begin until chapter 19!, bottom LWJ in chapter 20 and 27, Mojo’s post)

NOT FOUND!🔒and having a marvelous time by varnes (E, 108k, WangXian, Yúnmèng Siblings, Sound of Music AU, (i know!!! i know. stay with me on this.), Slow Burn, Mutual Pining, Family Feels, spies to lovers???, Protective Siblings, Sometimes You Just Want Your Dads To Admit They’re Your Dads, Angst with a Happy Ending) Pretty sure the bunch of kids in the burial mounds fic sounds like Varnes' delightful sound of music au "and having a wonderful time" but there are at least three fics I've read that come close to that.

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5. good dayy!! do you guys know this story. i forgot the title and been using modern with magic tag but i cant find it. i dont know anymore but the story is like this:

its a modern with magic, madam lan is one of the teacher and one of her student is wwx. there's a scene where wwx visited his brother in the alpha dormitory then lwj saved him(?) from some rude alpha. there's two version of it, alpha lwj x omega wwx and omega lwj and alpha wwx. there's a mission(?) and he met wwx outside the university, they also shared a room. omega wwx also has a solo room for being the only male omega.

the omega lwj version of it is lwj owns a 2 stuffed toy bunnies, he told wwx their names and wwx said it to madam lan.

im not sure if im mixing different stories or if i remember it right but i hope u'all can help me. thank uu in advance!

FOUND? 🔒 Other Half series by Hanguang_Jun, Wuxian_Biscuit (Charlie_Biscuit) (E, 819k, WangXian, JC/LWJ, WWX/Self, LWJ/Self, LWJ/WWX/JC, LWJ/JGY/WWX, Roleplay, Fantasy, Magic, Omegaverse, Friends to Lovers, Angst with a Happy Ending, Fluff and Smut, Switch WangXian, Bottom LWJ, Alpha LWJ, Slow Burn, Omega WWX, eventual mpreg, Alpha/Alpha, LWJ gets off on submitting to another alpha, Blow Jobs, Anal Sex, Knotting, If LWJ being submissive puts you off then do not read this, Top JC, Top WWX, Omega LWJ, Alpha WWX, From Sex to Love, Tentacle Porn, Safewords, Rude LWJ, A bit of magic recreational drug use, Sex Toys, Lingerie, Omega/Omega, Alpha JC, a/o and o/o and a/a, Selfcest, A bit of dark wangxian (but it's not permanent), Non-Consensual Voyeurism, Accidental Voyeurism, JC does not interact with wangxian, Intersex Omegas, Pregnancy, Consensual Non-Consent, Vaginal Sex, Bondage, Omega JGY, Bodyswap, Dubious Consent, Due to Basic Premise, Knifeplay, Choking, Birth)

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6. Hello, I am searching for a modern wangxian fic on ao3 where wei ying is invited in Jiang yanli's wedding. Nie huaisang is the wedding planner and Meng yao is his assistant. The wedding is at the time of Christmas and they played a game that each one will send another a gift till Christmas and the receiver's name is decided through lottery. Lan wangji was the one who was giving gifts for this and wei ying was giving gifts to yu ziyuan. All the names will be revealed at the day of Christmas.

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7. I don’t know if it got deleted or I just didn’t bookmark it but I’m looking for a fic with Fox!WWX. LWJ is maybe a dragon or just a regular cultivator who helps him get all of his 9 tails through dual cultivation so it’s rated M or E. i feel bad i don’t remember much more but any leads will be greatly appreciated 🥺 thank you for all your work

FOUND? 💖 Paths of Light and Darkness Converge by ataratah (E, 30k, wangxian, fox WWX, dragon LWJ, secret identity, non-human genitelia, crack treated seriously, fluff, angst w/ happy ending)

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8. im looking for a fic where Wie ying became a god after death saved Mo Xuanyu and adopted him when he trayed to bring him back . wie ying changed his hair to white and his eyes red @leo1fan

FOUND? Wuqian, the Local God of Yiling by Grace_ShadowWolf (TaubeLePigeon) (M, 80k, wangxian, WWX & LSZ & LWJ, major character death, canon divergence, angst w/ happy ending, god WWX, Chinese mythology & folklore, pining, temporary character death, WIP)

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9. hi im looking for this fic where xue yang and xiao xingchen are dating, and then one day song lan (xiao xingchen's ex) comes back so xue yang lets those two get together even though he feels very jealous, and then one day him and song lan hook up and later they become a throuple @ashxi-wx

FOUND? Fine Line by fouxes (arundels) (E, 13k, SL/XXC/XY, Modern, Polyamory Negotiations, Polyamory, Minor Violence, Hate Sex, Love/Hate, Love Rivals to Lovers, XXC is kinda useless in this sorry, Not Super Healthy Relationship Dynamics, but nothing crazy terrible, also XY is a cage fighter cos why not) it used to be posted under a different pseudonym of theirs

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10. I’m trying to find a reaction fic that takes place after the siege on Burial Mounds. I remember that the sect leaders are having a meeting at Lotus Pier and get trapped in a room by Chenqing to watch WWX’s life. Suibian also later gets involved and they also get LWJ and a-yuan to join.

FOUND? Seeking Solace by Devourer Of Worlds (Taer01), DragonHeart (Taer01), Taer01 (M, 124k, WangXian, Major Character Death, Graphic Depictions of Violence, Hurt, Heavy Angst, Emotional Hurt/Comfort, Mental Anguish, Mental Instability, Canon Compliant, Fluff, Blood and Gore, Blood and Injury, Implied/Referenced Child Abuse, Implied/Referenced Rape/Non-con, Implied/Referenced Torture, Canon Divergence)

FOUND? Misunderstood by Silver_Flame_2724 (M, 250k, WIP, WangXian, JYL/JZX, Fluff, Eventual Smut, Heavy Angst With Eventual Happy Ending, Family Feels, Family Angst, Misunderstandings, Implied/Referenced Rape/Non-con, Self-Harm, Self-Hatred, Family Fluff, Canon Divergence, Not Everyone Dies, by that I mean the bad guys will die, Hurt, Alcohol Abuse/Alcoholism, Suicidal Thoughts, Gore, Mental Health Issues, Mental Instability, Mental Breakdown, Night Terrors, Canon-Typical Violence, Self-Worth Issues, Self-Destruction, Dubious Morality, (not WWX of course), Cannibalism, Reincarnation, PTSD, Internally Screaming LWJ, Demonic Possession, MXY Lives, Scum Villain References, WWX Has an Angry LWJ Kink)

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11. Hello ! I've been looking for a fic for a long time and I can't find it.

It's in the post-canon, wangxian are married and investigate a ghost woman who attacks white-dressed cultivators. In fact, this woman has feelings for Lan zhan and seeks to have him all for herself.

At one point, under a disguise she tries to trap them by wanting to make Wei Ying believe that Lan Zhan is cheating on him with her and Wei Ying pretends to be jealous and angry against Lan Zhan who immediately understands the plan.

In short, I really liked this fic because it really showed this precious trust between the two and I really want to read it again and this time save it in my bookmarks 🥺 @wesenyr

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12. Hi ! I am looking for a popular fic, where WWX participates at the Great British Baking Show (or something equivalent) and LWJ is a cameraman. NHS and LXC are the hosts and LQR is one of the judges.

Thank you ! @massivecollateralproblem

FOUND! on your marks, get set, bake! by BlackWiresOnHerHead (G, 41k, Modern, College/University, The Great British Bake Off AU, Humor, no GBBO knowledge required for entry)

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13. Hi, I’m trying to find two older fics, A) the first I remember it being on AO3, and I want to say it had more than one part to it. Basically when Wei Ying came back and then of course ended up in Gusu Lan, Lan Zhan had a son (not A-Yuan) but like another child that was his and Wei Yings, A-Yuan is also present though. He’s very much like how he is presented in the novel, but the child that was Lan Zhans and Wei Yings is more like Wei Ying. A bit of a trouble maker, kind of aggressive maybe. Energetic? Lan Zhan of course clocks that Wei Ying is Wei Ying, but they wait a while before actually telling the kid that this now seemingly random figure in his life is his father. And if I remember correctly the kid doesn’t take it well right away.

I also could be combining to fics in my memory, but I also want to say Lan Zhan may have had chronic pain, or he had been whipped while pregnant and he was just gonna roll with it until he collapsed early and they found out about the pregnancy.

B) The second definitely was on AO3 as well, with multiple parts. But I remember Lan Zhan definitely had chronic pain and weakness from being whipped. I specifically remember he has scars that snake down to his hand, and that arm/hand is visibly smaller or weaker looking compared to his other. At first he won’t eat or drink in front of Wei Ying because of it. His hand shakes I think. He also keeps his hair braided to the side so it doesn’t touch his scars, that way he doesn’t have to use his core as much to dampen the pain. He travels in the winter because the cold makes his pain worse. A-Yuan is also present in this fic. I think there’s a coming of age type ceremony at the end…. Although that could be a part of the first fic I’m looking for. @captainimpossiblyangrycolle-blog

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FOUND? in a river you wade by bleuett (M, 20k, WangXian, Canon Divergence, Mpreg, Postpartum Depression, Grief/Mourning, Hurt/Comfort, Good Uncle LQR, Family Feels, Happy Ending, Kid Fic)

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FOUND? 🔒 the map of days by everythingispoetry (M, 20k, WangXian, Canon Divergence, Angst, Hurt/Comfort, Permanent Injury, Recovery, Disability, Parenthood, Character Study, Thirteen Years of WWX’s Death) the little details sound like "the map of days by everythingispoetry" i do not know for certain though

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14. Hey!! Thank you so much for all your hard work.

I read a fic ages ago, that the themes have really stuck with me, but for the life of me I cannot find!!

It was in the veins of heavy angst? hurt no comfort maybe? but i dont remember how it ended!

It was from (mostly?) wwx’s perspective, the plot was basically how broken & damaged wwx was as demonic cultivation/starvation were slowly killing him? None of his injures had ever healed since he lost his core (he had a broken back !?). A key point (I think) was that none of the people around him really realised how badly injured/how much pain he was in. They knew he wasn’t well but not that he was being pretty much held together by resentful energy. Even Wen Qing didn’t fully understand his condition I believe?

Maybe knowning he was dyinging wwx set out to destroy the st seal (or did???) as a final release??

I think it did kill him but I’m not quite sure, i think i remember Jyl & Lwj having a scene where they are mourning him together or commiserating over how ravaged wwx’s body is. I think they also realised wwx never intended to survive destroying the seal??

I’m desperate to read it again but for all my searching I cannot find it at all, hopefully someone knows it!

Have a great day! @3f2pmb

FOUND? 梅花开放 | the plum blossoms bloom by doubletan (E, 6k, WangXian, Sickfic, Hurt/Comfort, Fluff and Angst, Established Relationship, Yunmeng Bros Reconciliation, Post-Canon, Anal Sex, Kissing, Crying, a lot of crying)

FOUND? The Fire Lapping Up the Creek by notevenyou (E, 66k, WangXian, Canon Divergence, Hurt/Comfort, Canon-Typical Violence, Injury, Injury Recovery, Blood, Respiratory Illness, Major Illness, Fever, Grief/Mourning, Burial Mounds, Angst with a Happy Ending, Implied/Referenced Suicide, Hunger and food scarcity, Surgery, Fix-It of Sorts)

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15. Hi! This is for ficfinder. I dont remember much. The scene that i remember is someone send an assassin for baby jin ling but he survives because if wwx gift and the assassin is killed by ewx who visit him. Another scene is JGS wants to assault JYL but failed because if wwx gift too. And everyone found out about it and embrassed JGS. That all i can remember. Thanks! @idontknowwhattowriteforusername

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16. Hi I’m not sure if this is where I ask but I’m looking for a fic. The plot was that after wei Ying died Lan Zhan went to the burial mounds and found A Yuàn. For some reason this made Lan Zhan go into heat ( cause of grief or finding a malnourished child. idk ) and then he didn’t have a heat since. I think it then skipped to the future and Lan Zhan was like a ‘broken omega’ cause he didn’t get heats then I think wei Ying came back and things got fixed ?? Thx for any help u can give

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17. Hello, I am looking for a fic. It's set during a canonish era war and follows WWX. I think he's on his own leading troops and not with other main characters. After things are done the Madame Yu and JC are found to have committed war crimes. She is executed and JC is made to go help the people they harmed w/ his core sealed for a number of years. Any help is appreciated.

FOUND? 🔒 Crossing Paths by Ilona22 (M, 21k, wangxian, shapeshifter au, graphic depictions of violence, war between sects, war crimes, not JC friendly, happy ending)

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18. I need help finding a fic. I remember it was during CR era (I think) and LWJ gets cursed into having a lady part and the only way for him to return to his previous form is to orgasm. He doesnt know how to do that with female parts and WWX offers to help him with it. Starts off slow but they end up having sex multiple times over multiple nights. LWJ eventually gets close to an orgasm but stops WWX cause he thinks breaking the curse would mean he and WWX have to stop having sex. @727432rehhjkdjhe

FOUND? Coming Back to Yourself by acernor (E, 21k, wangxian, Vaginal Fingering, Cunnilingus, Oral Sex, Pining, Gender or Sex Swap, Vaginal Sex)

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19. looking for a fic in which wwx and jc are at a cultivation conference and lwj is terrifying actually. kinda yunmeng bros reconciliation but idk??? @skyerie

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20. Hi!! I'm trying to find a fic I'veread a while ago, but I can't find it anywhere. Wy, once reborn, didn't see Lz's scars while Lz was bathing in the cold springs and he tried to steal the jade pass. Once they get together is where the plot kinda flees from my mind. I don't remember if Lz only ever had sex with Wy if he (Lz) was almost fully clothed or if he just straight up refused to be intimate. I guess Wy fearing that Lz didn't find his new body attractive and voicing that fear to Lz is what makes Lz tell him the truth??? I'm not sure tho. Anyways, in the end, Lz reveals the scars that the discipline whip left on him, and tells Wy that he's never been ashamed of his scars, but that once Wy came back and they got together, he became terrified that Wy would find repulsive how deformed the scars made his back look.

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21. hello! do you know of the dad!lwj fic where wwx falls in love with a-yuan and lwj via video calls

FOUND?🔒Wishing on Runway Lights by inflight_gremlin (E, 45k, WangXian, LSZ & LWJ, LSZ & WWX, LSZ & OYZZ, Modern, Pilot LWJ, Flight Attendant WWX, Single Parent LWJ, Meet-Cute, Relationship Speed-Run, Matchmaker LSZ, Adopted LSZ, Domestic Fluff, Brief Mention of Child Neglect (not from wangxian), Happy Ending, Eventual Smut, POV Alternating, LSZ Knows What He Wants, Slight Misunderstanding, Sexual Tension, no one is skipping meals, romcom vibes, Attempt at hallmark movie feels, Temporary Accidental Child Aquisition)

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[accio-victuuri]

to clown or not to clown…. 💅🏻💅🏻💅🏻

episode 1 of the docuseries is out and i really hope that the premiere with discovery channel with english subs will come to us sooner. this is what i was frustrated with when i learned it’s tencent video exclusive. but whatever, still thankful since they made this possible along with discovery. and congratulations since it’s #1 in tencent documentaries! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

i think the cpn highlight will be yibo and the bone necklace. we know how personal it is for him but just seeing it against his skin and bring it along in the wilderness gets me. it’s so special for him and i hope it remains the same for the years to come. it’s such a thoughtful gift cause he can literally take it anywhere. he always has a piece of xz wherever he goes. it’s so romantic! and seeing the hardships he experienced in this episode alone — i’m comforted that he has that with him. 🦴

it is on hot search now actually but people are saying to pay more attention to his body too. lol. it’s so eye catching this way!

there was a bit when he was packing his things and you can see that he brought his leica camera with him. you all know how much we went cray over that cpn and looking at him bring it along to this adventure made me so happy. i also love how he shared photos over at his weibo account, i wish he would do it every time an episode comes out.

i have to say the one with the starry sky stood out. it’s too beautiful! pretty sure that was sent to a certain someone as well. 👀

he did take a sleeping / relaxing tea packet(s) with him for the trip and it reminded people of xz doing the same ( bringing tea ) when he was fixing his luggage for a show ( unreleased video was leaked of this ). 🍵

some coincidental similarity in these shots:

others are pointing out the similarity in where they are in life right now. it’s still a struggle, but they are learning to be more calm and relaxed about it. and that’s what i always say. why is it always them? camping, tennis, spending time outdoors, hiking, leica cameras, etc. it’s not copying each other. it’s because they are spending time together that their hobbies merge 😂😂😂

their state of mind too. trying to live their lives in the middle of their chaotic celebrity status! their peace of mind always comes first.

finally, this lovely edit ⬇️⬇️⬇️

it looks so real!

that’s all. nothing much and no groundbreaking cpn going on which actually made me question whether i should even make a post but whatever. i needed a space to ramble about my bjyxszd feels so yeah. and i’m planning to make one for each episode. hopefully!

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[naruto-ol-protags]

(forum anon) The screenshots you put are super low quality so I ended up tracking down and using the original press release videos, but this doesn't let me add links or images, would it be easier for you if I de-anon and then used the submit function?

re: mobile preservation, yes, no problem! There's a current food event rerun, wind main likes 莲蓉月饼（lotus paste moon cakes) and 西瓜（watermelon), dislikes 烤鱼（spicy grilled/oven fish dish), water main likes 冰皮月饼（cold mochi-skin moon cakes）and 葡萄（grapes), dislikes 莲蓉（lotus paste). I have put screenshot in the gdrive.

re: reposters, imo if you can't beat them join them XD, if it is crediting issue, it is not much work to make deviantart account too and post to group, or just include in your own post caption "render made by me, originally posted here: ". But of course it would be best if they can link back to sources.

On glass half full look at things, some part of me thinks it's not too bad a thing, because it wasn't for reposting, a lot of old content we are looking at now wouldn't exist (like the press release videos - original tencent page was gone, news articles with video and the reposts of news articles gone, conference live/archive videos were made private - the only trace was someone personal reupload). Maybe in five, ten years someone else will be looking for these guys too *staying optimistic*

re: plushies, new clothing posts, they look awesome!! It's making me wanna draw these guys all over again, seeing your hard work making these references :DDD

Hi, please use the submissions option! I'd really appreciate any extra materials you could get. And PLEASE leave a link to the original press release video🙏 I'm so excited about what you could find since it's been not much of a successful hunt on my end, haha.

Thank you for confirming the food items translations! I'm also documenting Azure's and Breeze's responses to the likes/neutrals/dislikes in this edition so I've been wondering if you've ever seen the fruits being available for cooking? But yeah, otherwise all text lines should be completed. Speaking of which, do you have any of the missing lines from the summer cooking event? I've been trying for 2 years now but the rng has not been on my side. BUT! Either way I'm very grateful for your support and would love to credit you properly.

When it comes to the reposters - it's simply about the politeness, you know? I'm not mad that the images are shared, I'm just frustrated bc the way it happened doesn't even share the better parts of the archive, and I say this as someone with DA who just doesn't think it's worth the headache without the tagging system like on here.

And I agree about the reposts contributing in the long run to content preservation, you wouldn't catch me complaining about the things you've mentioned. I personally regret being too young back in the early 2010s to do the archiving work, it's just that crediting doesn't take that much work. Plus, it still feels weird when the archive is up and running (and if you knew me from other socials you'd know that I have backups of backups bc I'm paranoid like that).

This is all to say, thank you for your time and involvement. Your drive folder has helped me a lot with tracking down content back in the day. And I'm really happy that you're getting sth positive out of this page and the fanarts! If you ever decide to draw the mains again please let me know - I'll make sure to boost it and show to anyone who'd be remotely interested >:D

[vyvesvi]

just started asia super young 😅 funny how a show can seem super popular when you're out of the loop but when you finally start watching it's crickets

this is my first time watching a youku show, i like the pacing BUT I HATE the fact that they cut so much from the free eps (free is 1 hr vip is 2.5+ 🫠). so like the irresponsible working adult i am i committed to monthly subscription (that i WILL remember to cancel the day the finale airs 😁). the other thing that i find really disappointing is that free voting on the youku app doesn't count towards their rank, it's just for extra promo 🫠 apparently you need to pay separately through their site or have a weibo associated with a mainland # (acc to fans based in hk w weibo accounts they can't even vote. when the show is filming in hk. and conducted half in canto.)

but i WILL be tuning in even though im desperately confused about everything. i watched eps 1 - 3 using the free version so im gonna do a quick recap and hopefully start catching up with the extra content tomorrow 🙏

ASY PICKS (based on ep 1 - 3)

ults: gemini (hoàng huệhùng/huang huixiong) & albert (aihe)

these two...how could you not say cunt. gemini is a 99 liner from vietnam, a short king, his nose is pierced, his dancing is clean, and his vocals are great. does he speak chinese? no. but does he serve face? like his life depends on it (because it does). he's already on my list of survival show contestants who will live on in my brain in perpetuity. aihe is the other main slayer from the same audition group (medusa). just look at him. he walked out and i went bitch???? he's like if hu yetao and xue bayi had a baby that was mad as hell. he's an 03 liner from xinjiang, pretty good vocals, and great dance skills. had to use that shitty laptop pic bc it just radiates his whole vibe.

i like you!: vic (zhang shengxi), orenda (shuhao), walker (wang kun), kong sonhei (jiang xinxi), & karl (ting tzelong)

vic is a 2000 liner & and member of enone. his rank is so oddly low bc he gets pretty good screentime and is very talented?

shuhao is a 2000 liner. he wasnt a pick until he did his solo rap but he's the best rapper, undisputed, on this show. plus he composed & produced & wrote & arranged their group's whole audition song? kingie.

walker is an 05 liner with a musical theatre background. to me he has a very broadcaster type face - kind and open. i noticed him mostly for how he was taking care of his younger audition partner, it was very very cute 🙄(🥹).

xinxi is an 02 liner & a member of the yuehua brigade. member of the bg boyhood (all of whom are competing) and i believe the theme song center. but more importantly, he's my birthday buddy!😁🥳 i'll admit to noticing him first bc of the bday thing - i was actually pretty unimpressed by boyhood's audition. still, he's a very good/solid boy group member to have.

karl (ting tzelong) is a 97 liner with roots in canada & hong kong. he's a Fantastic singer and was the runner up in the mr. hong kong contest? don't think he can dance but that voice, singing or speaking...

i know you & ur fun: ollie

ollie (06, under yuehua) was on boys planet so im very familiar with him (side note but this show has so many former iqiyi show contestants but none from tencent 😭). honestly he's not a pick for me but i like his energy, he's a great variety member. also i don't want to see him lose so 😭 that said i've always thought he raps like he's reading a children's book but he's graduated to slam poetry🎉

hmmm: sky (zhao tianyi)

so. sky's audition was iconic. this 14 y/o kid sang, rapped, played the piano, synths, talkbox, did streetdance, and jumped into a split. he clearly loves music & is very intense about follow this passion. but 1) he's 14. 2) he clearly wants to be a soloist, thus far i can't see a single team player bone in his body. these things combined have put him lower on my list (i especially didn't really care for how he interacted with gemini during the team selection but we'll see if that continues in ep 4). but he's here currently for his talent.

keeping an eye out: archie (sin ching fung), hugo (wong singcheuk) & service (sun xiaowei)

archie (98) is a singer, he sings! but honestly so many ppl on this show are good & he can't really dance so...we'll see

hugo (03, apex member) ...in his audition he looked like a member of my token bg POW lol. he has a lot of potential i just need to see more

service (03) i saw some star potential in his audition, we'll see

[jcmarchi]

Towards LoRAs That Can Survive Model Version Upgrades

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Towards LoRAs That Can Survive Model Version Upgrades

Since my recent coverage of the growth in hobbyist Hunyuan Video LoRAs (small, trained files that can inject custom personalities into multi-billion parameter text-to-video and image-to-video foundation models), the number of related LoRAs available at the Civit community has risen by 185%.

Despite the fact that there are no particularly easy or low-effort ways to make a Hunyuan Video LoRA, the catalog of celebrity and themed LoRAs at Civit is growing daily. Source: https://civitai.com/

The same community that is scrambling to learn how to produce these ‘add-on personalities’ for Hunyuan Video (HV) is also ulcerating for the promised release of an image-to-video (I2V) functionality in Hunyuan Video.

With regard to open source human image synthesis, this is a big deal; combined with the growth of Hunyuan LoRAs, it could enable users to transform photos of people into videos in a way that doesn’t erode their identity as the video develops – which is currently the case in all state-of-the-art image-to-video generators, including Kling, Kaiber, and the much-celebrated RunwayML:

Click to play. An image-to-video generation from RunwayML’s state-of-the-art Gen 3 Turbo model. However, in common with all similar and lesser rival models, it cannot maintain consistent identity when the subject turns away from the camera, and the distinct features of the starting image become a ‘generic diffusion woman’. Source: https://app.runwayml.com/

By developing a custom LoRA for the personality in question, one could, in a HV I2V workflow, use a real photo of them as a starting point. This is a far better ‘seed’ than sending a random number into the model’s latent space and settling for whatever semantic scenario results. One could then use the LoRA, or multiple LoRAs, to maintain consistency of identity, hairstyles, clothing and other pivotal aspects of a generation.

Potentially, the availability of such a combination could represent one of the most epochal shifts in generative AI since the launch of Stable Diffusion, with formidable generative power handed over to open source enthusiasts, without the regulation (or ‘gatekeeping’, if you prefer) provided by the content censors in the current crop of popular gen vid systems.

As I write, Hunyuan image-to-video is an unticked ‘to do’ in the Hunyuan Video GitHub repo, with the hobbyist community reporting (anecdotally) a Discord comment from a Hunyuan developer, who apparently stated that the release of this functionality has been pushed back to some time later in Q1 due to the model being ‘too uncensored’.

The official feature release checklist for Hunyuan Video. Source: https://github.com/Tencent/HunyuanVideo?tab=readme-ov-file#-open-source-plan

Accurate or not, the repo developers have substantially delivered on the rest of the Hunyuan checklist, and therefore Hunyuan I2V seems set to arrive eventually, whether censored, uncensored or in some way ‘unlockable’.

But as we can see in the list above, the I2V release is apparently a separate model entirely – which makes it pretty unlikely that any of the current burgeoning crop of HV LoRAs at Civit and elsewhere will function with it.

In this (by now) predictable scenario, LoRA training frameworks such as Musubi Tuner and OneTrainer will either be set back or reset in regard to supporting the new model. Meantime, one or two of the most tech-savvy (and entrepreneurial) YouTube AI luminaries will ransom their solutions via Patreon until the scene catches up.

Upgrade Fatigue

Almost no-one experiences upgrade fatigue as much as a LoRA or fine-tuning enthusiast, because the rapid and competitive pace of change in generative AI encourages model foundries such as Stability.ai, Tencent and Black Forest Labs to produce bigger and (sometimes) better models at the maximum viable frequency.

Since these new-and-improved models will at the very least have different biases and weights, and more commonly will have a different scale and/or architecture, this means that the fine-tuning community has to get their datasets out again and repeat the grueling training process for the new version.

For this reason, a multiplicity of Stable Diffusion LoRA version types are available at Civit:

The upgrade trail, visualized in search filter options at civit.ai

Since none of these lightweight LoRA models are interoperable with higher or lower model versions, and since many of them have dependencies on popular large-scale merges and fine-tunes that adhere to an older model, a significant portion of the community tends to stick with a ‘legacy’ release, in much the same way as customer loyalty to Windows XP persisted years after official past support ended.

Adapting to Change

This subject comes to mind because of a new paper from Qualcomm AI Research that claims to have developed a method whereby existing LoRAs can be ‘upgraded’ to a newly-released model version.

Example conversion of LoRAs across model versions. Source: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2501.16559

This does not mean that the new approach, titled LoRA-X, can translate freely between all models of the same type (i.e., text to image models, or Large Language Models [LLMs]); but the authors have demonstrated an effective transliteration of a LoRA from Stable Diffusion v1.5 > SDXL, and a conversion of a LoRA for the text-based TinyLlama 3T model to TinyLlama 2.5T.

LoRA-X transfers LoRA parameters across different base models by preserving the adapter within the source model’s subspace; but only in parts of the model that are adequately similar across model versions.

On the left, a schema for the way that the LoRA-X source model fine-tunes an adapter, which is then adjusted to fit the target model. On the right, images generated by target models SD Eff-v1.0 and SSD-1B, after applying adapters transferred from SD-v1.5 and SDXL without additional training.

While this offers a practical solution for scenarios where retraining is undesirable or impossible (such as a change of license on the original training data), the method is restricted to similar model architectures, among other limitations.

Though this is a rare foray into an understudied field, we won’t examine this paper in depth because of LoRA-X’s numerous shortcomings, as evidenced by comments from its critics and advisors at Open Review.

The method’s reliance on subspace similarity restricts its application to closely related models, and the authors have conceded in the review forum that LoRA-X cannot be easily transferred across significantly different architectures

Other PEFT Approaches

The possibility of making LoRAs more portable across versions is a small but interesting strand of study in the literature, and the main contribution that LoRA-X makes to this pursuit is its contention that it requires no training. This is not strictly true, if one reads the paper, but it does require the least training of all the prior methods.

LoRA-X is another entry in the canon of Parameter-Efficient Fine-Tuning (PEFT) methods, which address the challenge of adapting large pre-trained models to specific tasks without extensive retraining. This conceptual approach aims to modify a minimal number of parameters while maintaining performance.

Notable among these are:

X-Adapter

The X-Adapter framework transfers fine-tuned adapters across models with a certain amount of retraining. The system aims to enable pre-trained plug-and-play modules (such as ControlNet and LoRA) from a base diffusion model (i.e., Stable Diffusion v1.5) to work directly with an upgraded diffusion model such as SDXL without retraining – effectively acting as a ‘universal upgrader’ for plugins.

The system achieves this by training an additional network that controls the upgraded model, using a frozen copy of the base model to preserve plugin connectors:

Schema for X-Adapter. Source: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2312.02238

X-Adapter was originally developed and tested to transfer adapters from SD1.5 to SDXL, while LoRA-X offers a wider variety of transliterations.

DoRA (Weight-Decomposed Low-Rank Adaptation)

DoRA is an enhanced fine-tuning method that improves upon LoRA by using a weight decomposition strategy that more closely resembles full fine-tuning:

DORA does not just attempt to copy over an adapter in a frozen environment, as LoRA-X does, but instead changes fundamental parameters of the weights, such as magnitude and direction. Source: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2402.09353

DoRA focuses on improving the fine-tuning process itself, by decomposing the model’s weights into magnitude and direction (see image above). Instead, LoRA-X focuses on enabling the transfer of existing fine-tuned parameters between different base models

However, the LoRA-X approach adapts the projection techniques developed for DORA, and in tests against this older system claims an improved DINO score.

FouRA (Fourier Low Rank Adaptation)

Published in June of 2024, the FouRA method comes, like LoRA-X, from Qualcomm AI Research, and even shares some of its testing prompts and themes.

Examples of distribution collapse in LoRA, from the 2024 FouRA paper, using the Realistic Vision 3.0 model trained with LoRA and FouRA for ‘Blue Fire’ and ‘Origami’ style adapters, across four seeds. LoRA images exhibit distribution collapse and reduced diversity, whereas FouRA generates more varied outputs. Source: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2406.08798

FouRA focuses on improving the diversity and quality of generated images by adapting LoRA in the frequency domain, using a Fourier transform approach.

Here, again, LoRA-X was able to achieve better results than the Fourier-based approach of FouRA.

Though both frameworks fall within the PEFT category, they have very different use cases and approaches; in this case, FouRA is arguably ‘making up the numbers’ for a testing round with limited like-for-like rivals for the new paper’s authors engage with.

SVDiff

SVDiff also has different goals to LoRA-X, but is strongly leveraged in the new paper. SVDiff is designed to improve the efficiency of the fine-tuning of diffusion models, and directly modifies values within the model’s weight matrices, while keeping the singular vectors unchanged. SVDiff uses truncated SVD, modifying only the largest values, to adjust the model’s weights.

This approach uses a data augmentation technique called Cut-Mix-Unmix:

Multi-subject generation operates as a concept-isolating system in SVDiff. Source: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.11305

Cut-Mix-Unmix is designed to help the diffusion model learn multiple distinct concepts without intermingling them. The central idea is to take images of different subjects and concatenate them into a single image. Then the model is trained with prompts that explicitly describe the separate elements in the image. This forces the model to recognize and preserve distinct concepts instead of blending them.

During training, an additional regularization term helps prevent cross-subject interference. The authors’ theory contends that this facilitates improved multi-subject generation, where each element remains visually distinct, rather than being fused together.

SVDiff, excluded from the LoRA-X testing round, aims to create a compact parameter space. LoRA-X, instead, focuses on the transferability of LoRA parameters across different base models by operating within the subspace of the original model.

Conclusion

The methods discussed here are not the sole denizens of PEFT. Others include QLoRA and QA-LoRA; Prefix Tuning; Prompt-Tuning; and adapter-tuning, among others.

The ‘upgradable LoRA’ is, perhaps, an alchemical pursuit; certainly, there’s nothing immediately on the horizon that will prevent LoRA modelers from having to drag out their old datasets again for the latest and greatest weights release. If there is some possible prototype standard for weights revision, capable of surviving changes in architecture and ballooning parameters between model versions, it hasn’t emerged in the literature yet, and will need to keep being extracted from the data on a per-model basis.

First published Thursday, January 30, 2025

[elvara-a]

ThePavilionn's Bingo

Disclaimer, I write a lot of OOC things that not related to my muse. Thank you.

At the beginning of 2025, I’ve gained so many new friends because I was recently accepted into two open agencies at the same time, and I couldn’t be happier. It feels amazing to connect with so many people who share similar interests and passions.

Of course, the answer is yes—I’ve already updated my character! It’s something I genuinely enjoy because it allows me to showcase my muse, who is undeniably stunning. Updating her feels like giving her a little spotlight to shine, and it’s such a fun way to express my creativity and admiration. It’s one of those activities that brings me so much joy and excitement, especially when I see how amazing she looks afterward!

I already have a very handsome boyfriend, even though we’re from different countries. It makes me so happy to start 2025 with him by my side. I’m grateful to have someone as amazing as him in my life, and beginning this new year together feels like a beautiful start to an even better journey ahead.

I haven’t celebrated my birthday in January because my birthday is in October. It’s still quite a while away, but that makes it even more exciting to look forward to. I’ve always loved having an autumn birthday—it feels cozy and special. For now, I’m just enjoying the start of the year and waiting patiently for my special day to come later in the year.

My muse received an award at the Tencent Video All Star Night 2024 as the "Eye-Catching Artist of the Year," and it truly feels like an incredible way to start the year. I’m so proud of her achievements and how she continues to captivate everyone with her charm and talent. This recognition is so well-deserved, and it makes me even more excited for what’s to come in 2025. It’s such a joyful and inspiring moment to kick off the new year!

Of course, I’m an active roleplayer, especially now that I’ve just been verified by two open agencies at the same time.

Yup, lounging around is definitely a must-do activity for all of us, right? There’s just something so comforting about taking a break, lying down, and letting yourself relax without a care in the world. Whether it’s scrolling through your phone, binge-watching your favorite shows, or simply doing nothing, it’s the perfect way to recharge and enjoy some guilt-free laziness. Honestly, sometimes those moments of doing absolutely nothing feel the most rewarding!

Of course, there’s a new project! Right now, I’m busy filming a new drama titled Chasing Jade alongside Zhang Linghe. It’s such an exciting opportunity, and I’m thrilled to be part of this production.

Today, I’m already smiling because my boyfriend, Lee Dokyeom, is making his comeback with BSS! It’s such an exciting moment, and I’m so proud of him and everything he’s accomplishing. Seeing him perform and share his talents with the world brings me so much happiness.

Every day, I always receive the cutest messages from my boyfriend, and it’s such a sweet reminder of how he cherishes me. He always takes the time to send little words of affection, making sure I know how much I mean to him. It’s those little gestures that make me feel so loved and appreciated. His messages brighten my day, and I can’t help but smile every time I read them. I truly feel lucky to have someone who shows me so much love and care each day.

I’m definitely not single because I have a boyfriend who I’m incredibly proud of and who is absolutely handsome. He’s everything I could ask for—kind, talented, and always there for me.

I’m always happy as long as my boyfriend is by my side, along with my friends who constantly support me. Their presence in my life fills me with so much warmth and positivity. My boyfriend brings me comfort and love, while my friends uplift me with their encouragement and loyalty. Together, they make every moment better, and I feel truly blessed to have such an amazing support system. With them, I feel like I can face anything and keep moving forward with a smile on my face.

[fortressofserenity]

What does it take to make it less popular

It sounds kind of anti-Disney of me to say this, but I suspect that it's going to take a number of factors or more to make Disney and the like less popular in the Philippines. One early factor would be when America itself declines in power and popularity, that American brands become less popular overseas over time. Maybe not immediately but more in the sense of how it's not fashionable to like anything American.

If America does decline significantly as a superpower, expect both its hard and soft power to decline in popularity overseas as well. American products could become less popular among people, Disney included, getting replaced or overshadowed by their Chinese and Russian counterparts. Some will even get bought by their Chinese and Russian counterparts in some way, it already has happened before with Russia's Sup Media buying Livejournal.

Or China's Tencent buying stake in Riot Games, there's more yet to come and it will get more commonplace in the future. Supposing if some Chinese company were to buy stake in America's Alphabet INC, then it's going to happen anytime soon in the future because of how powerful China's gotten. Likewise, a Russian company could buy something like all of Automattic, it would be no different as we've seen this with Livejournal before. This may not be the end of it yet.

What if a Chinese company buys all of Twitter that it becomes a Chinese brand one day, be subjected under Chinese law and jurisdiction and under Chinese management that it would be just as controversial as Elon Musk buying the platform. A Chinese run Twitter would emerge as a proper rival to Weibo, which has been Chinese run much longer. It will anger Americans because of their disdain for China, but when America loses so much power that it's better to concede brands like Twitter to China instead.

Let's not forget that Shein, a Chinese company, bought the American brand Forever 21 that it's inevitable there'll be more Chinese companies out to buy struggling American brands. Twitter could be one of them, if it ever gets bought by a Chinese conglomerate at all like Tencent or even something else altogether. It would be no different if it's Alphabet at the receiving end, China will be so powerful that buying American companies is doable for it.

Actually it would be no different if something like VK buys stake in Meta, which goes to show you how powerful Russia has gotten and could become moreso in the future. Even if not all American companies get bought by either Chinese or Russian companies, they could experience a tank in popularity and reputation over time. They'll do anything and everything to keep up with the times, even if they may not always get it right and as effectively as their Chinese and Russian counterparts do.

If both China and Russia are catching up fast enough to become powerful, then America has to catch up with them if they're getting better at certain things sooner. If they ever become powerful, so will their markets and this has happened before. America has been catering to China for some time, as to include Chinese actors in American productions. But supposing if Russia were to catch up soon enough there, that America will learn to cater to it too. It has happened before, though to a modest extent.

But if Russia becomes really powerful, that America will learn to kowtow to it. America will have to acquiesce to it in some way, that it can't go on doing the things itself and its allies want. They have to acquiesce to both Chinese and Russian markets if those countries ever become really powerful and popular with everybody else on the planet. This is something the Philippines needs to wake up to, because America isn't going to be powerful for long.

America won't and may never remain the Philippines's biggest benefactor for long because its economy is going to fail real badly under Trump that cannibalism and poverty will become major features of American life from then on, so will homelessness that unless if more Americans willingly let the homeless stay with them it's going to get bigger under Trump. It will become the norm to not have a stable home, despite having a stable income.

Americans will do anything and everything to find a home when possible and convenient, this has happened before in Hong Kong due to housing shortages but this will be magnified with America. Imagine if rooftop slums, subdivided flats and sleeping in restaurants were to become the norm in America, as it is in Hong Kong before, that America will have a major homeless problem of a phenomenon. America will no longer be seen as prestigious by many Filipinos, but instead as something embarrassing, pitiable and shameful.

So anything American will develop a shameful reputation among many Filipinos, that turning to China and its neighbours will become a practical and necessary reality for us instead. Imagine if many homeless people decided to turn Disney theme park hotels into their homes that people will have to accommodate them to make them feel at home there, but even then this will be particularly embarrassing and surprising for the parent company. Disney can't ignore this altogether.

No sooner or later, it will have to accommodate to these people. It's going to be controversial for them because of the reputation being affected by needier people who actually need something to live in, instead of obsessive Disney fans who make their brand loyalty their absolute lifestyle and mindset. Some Disney fans will be so disgruntled that they'll find ways of kicking the homeless out, even if the latter need homes more than they do.

Not necessarily so much that they like Disney, but that they need somewhere to sleep. A stable home to live in and be provided for, if their own incomes can't suffice for the other things they need. Though the company's reputation might tank somewhat when it comes to catering to the homeless who need a home to live in, survive a harsh life and somewhere to privately poop in if nobody wants public defecation. Disney hotels have plenty of toilets they can use.

It's a matter of willingly accommodating them to make them feel at home and not be embarrassed, though it's something a number of Disney fans need to wake up to. Because America has a growing homeless problem and ever-growing food insecurity that it's wiser for corporations like Disney to properly care for them, if these crises were to loom longer and get bigger over time. So their needs will trump Disney fan wants, because they need stable homes and food real badly.

It's not a nice thing to see, but it's necessary for them to find ways to survive a tough world. This will really shock Filipinos who expect Disney theme parks to be places where they have their holidays there, not so much places where the homeless' needs are catered to every now and then, even if it's necessary if homelessness were to grow exponentially in America. It will be controversial, despite how necessary it is for others to survive a cruel planet.

Another thing that will really tank Disney's reputation is if such a company ever succeeds at killing Christians in secret, somebody like Celestial had a prophecy of American conglomerates deploying armies to kill Christians with, though she only mentioned Amazon and Apple so far. It would be particularly horrifying if Disney, with its family-friendly image, were to do the same thing. But that's going to be what will tank Disney's popularity with people, especially if it's something the Russian government will reveal in due time.

If America ever becomes part of Russia in some way, that Russia will reveal America's dirty secrets to all and any. It sounds kind of anti-Disney, but some of it's what I've prophesised before. I even said that Disney might kill Christians one day, practically last year before and it's really going to be the case under Barack Obama. He will have a third term and he will be its final president after Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. So it's going to take a number of controversies to tank Disney's popularity.

It's not a nice thing to hear, but necessary if Disney were to confront or do these things in the future.

[musicinfooy]

Under the current “pro rata” model held true in Spotify and Apple, money from your dedicated fans goes into a giant pool that’s paid out to artists based on their share of total streams. This mostly benefits mega stars.

Spotify figures out how many streams came from a given country and then calculates the portion of those streams that went to specific artists. This causes smaller artists who might not have such a massive reach, but have a dedicated loyal audience, not getting much money because they share a smaller portion of the overall streams.

Effectively, if The Weeknd or Harry Styles gets 5% of all streams on Spotify in any given period they and their labels will get 10% of your monthly subscription fee, even if you never listened to any of their songs.

Rolling Stone reported in 2020, that the top 1 percent of streaming artists end up getting 90 percent of the revenue.

If you were to take the more than 1.6 million artists who released music to streaming services in the past year and a half and ranked them by their total streams, you’d find that the top 16,000 of those artists pulled in 90 percent of the streams. And it doesn’t take more than a basic grasp of math to realize that this leaves 1.6 million artists with just 10 percent of the streams.

FYI the current number of artists on Spotify has now grown to about 9 million, this means more share less.

This “pro rata” model typically benefits the major labels and the most popular artists. When you listen to music on the streaming services what do you hear on these platform generated playlists, radio stations and suggestions: More of the same top artists represented by the biggest labels. This has changed very little if at all over the last 3 years.

Obviously this is not acceptable. Not only from the view of the music creator, independent label and self-publisher but also from the fan’s’ point of view. It too sucks knowing that these superstars are taking money away from your choice artists.

Yet, I cannot feel too bad about using streaming services. The subscription fee is for using the service. No longer do I need to carry around all my CDs or be limited to the storage capacity in my device. And new releases are automatically available. But there must be a better way to focus user and fan activity and payments in a more meaningful way.

Lets see how the biggest record labels will get their fingers into the new payment models. We’ll take a look at the most recent deal with Universal and Deezer, as well as the first change in the “pro rata” model founded by Soundcloud and Warner.

Micropayments and Tips: A Better Way to Pay Your Artists

If only there was a way for a fan to pay directly to the artist. Wait, hold up there is. Though Netease and Tencent in China use the “pro rata” model, they calculate the accumulated streams of a given artist and pay out according to the type of user: free, subscribing, or VIP. So the pay per stream varies from user to user. Already there is a distinction between users. But even, is the possibility for the listeners and fans to give gifts directly to their artists.

Yet another advance in China that the western services are lacking and struggling to “catch up to”, if that is even a tangible consideration for the streaming services to implement?

Micropayments and digital tips are common in China. There are apps that allow people to tip or give monetary gifts. However, many platforms have this function built into their system as they do in the music platforms in China like QQ and Netease as well as Douyin and others. And you can always use a 3rd party app to send a gift to the ones you choose. How awesome would it be to go to Spotify or Deezer or Apple and leave your thoughts and show your love as comments to your artist as you listen to their music, as they do on Netease and QQ. And also showing your support by giving them a tip or virtual gift.

Moving Beyond Pro Rata

Universal has struck a deal with Deezer or is it vice versa? Deezer CEO Jeronimo Folgueira says that the deal is the “most ambitious change” to the economies of music streaming since it first started.

Focusing on artists who have a minimum of 1,000 streams per month with a minimum of 500 unique listeners will get a “double boost.” Is that 2x per stream?

They will get another “double boost” if the song was actively searched for by the user rather than suggested by the system or on a playlist. Is that 4x times per stream?

This Artist Centric streaming model is definitely a move forward. It seems though that the ones it benefits the most are the artists who are already taking the majority of the royalties. So any artist who has more than 1000 monthly streams and 500 different listeners will now be taking double of what they are already taking. Where is this coming from?

Denis Ladegaillerie of Believe, expressed his concerns that this 1000 streams/500 listener threshold will increase over time. Essentially squeezing out any upcoming artist with fewer than the threshold.

Jeronimo Folgueira of Deezer has addressed a very sore point in the streaming world, “There is no other industry where all content is valued the same, and it should be obvious to everyone that the sound of rain or a washing machine is not as valuable as a song from your favorite artist streamed in HiFi.”

Deezer is planning to replace non-artist noise content with its own content as functional music which won’t be included in the royalty pool. And of course tackling fraud by driving a better new and improved fraud detection system, making it less attractive to fraudsters and protecting the royalties.

So at least we can count on 2 things: Artists will receive a smaller payout if their songs play as part of an algorithmic playlist and will not need to compete with background noise tracks. Please remember this is only on Deezer. And how about all artists that are not part of Universal Music Group do they share pro rata of whatever is left over?

As of now Spotify is not on board, “We are willing to make the switch to a user-centric model if that’s what artists, songwriters, and rights holders want to do. However, Spotify cannot make this decision on its own; it requires broad industry alignment to implement this change. The research we’ve seen to date suggests that a shift to user-centric payments would not benefit artists as much as many may have originally hoped.”

Another possibility implemented by Tidal is their Direct-to-Artists payment model established in 2022. As a listener and subscriber your monthly fee will be allotted to a pool of royalties based on your subscription tier. As a premium HiFi plus subscriber it is estimated that 10% of your fee will go directly to your artists you listen to.

At the forefront we have Soundcloud and their Fan-powered royalty model since 2021. This is only available to independent artists who monetize directly with SoundCloud. The more time your dedicated fans listen to your music, the more you get paid. So a user paying $10 a month only listens to five artists, those five artists will get a split of that $10, after SoundCloud takes its cut, no matter how many times the user listens to each of them.

This model that seems to benefit independent artists is a collaboration with Warner Music Group, having cut a licensing deal with SoundCloud to adopt the streamer’s Fan-Powered Royalties system. WMG is the first major label to adopt the system, and its embrace of the model could signal a larger shift for the industry. Warner and independent artists are like oil and water, could there still be a light at the end of the tunnel for independent artists?

Conclusion

The structure of payments between streaming services and labels or independent artists are in need of change.

There is an inability to distinguish premium content, any stream over 30 seconds in length counts the same. This means that the music that has a higher value is not recognized.

An alternative is a more flexible artist-centric model that seeks to distribute payouts based on the value an artist creates and provides for the platform.

Fan-powered royalties means a subscriber’s subscription fee or advertising revenue will be shared among the artists they actually listen to, rather than going to a big pot and being split up among the platform’s most popular artists.

Streaming platforms have more pricing power than they have demonstrated in prior years as several major music streaming platforms have increased their prices on their standard services; however, the average revenue per user on paid streaming music services has fallen by 40% since 2016.

Apple Music and Spotify have essentially lowered the value of their catalogues by introducing family plans and smaller prices for bundled users, but maybe they are preparing for the next generation of users.

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[shijiujun]

i feel kinda bad for shl cos all the fans of hyx and spl are blaming shl since their dramas are being delayed :(

LMAO I really don’t get that altho i can see that the timing might be a little back to back, and i’m not a SHL-only stan by any measure but:

For HYX especially,

Firstly it was already having problems since the end of last year with censorship and review. This is mostly due to the reason that 2ha is a pretty big fandom and is the cult fave in the danmei industry - what this means is that there are three types of fans basically right, (1) Normal fans who love the novel + show (2) Those who fanatically love the novel in some extreme ways haha (3) Those who hate it and/or are HYX-onlys - so you get it all in a bag. 

The first type of fans is definitely the easier ones to deal with, but unfortunately in big fandoms you get a lot of (2) and (3). It’s not something that’s exclusive only to 2ha/HYX but because it’s a cult fave, and a controversial one at that, problems definitely arise.

(2) are the ones who head down to the filming scenes, take photos and footage despite crew telling ppl not to do it, not to sneak around filming sites and definitely not to leak photos or footage. They do it anyway. Yeah sure of course it’s a couple of photos every few weeks or a tiny video every few weeks but word gets out. They’re inevitably hurting the show and the fandom with their actions, because shit trends on Weibo really fast, and the censorship committee (not just for the film industry or shows) is always lurking on the site to catch any sign of you know, hate speech for the country etc. and more. Not related, but the point is that social media is watched very closely. It’s not a myth or an exaggeration, you really just got to be careful, and HYX is a show that, despite not having been broadcasted, has consistently trended on Weibo over the last few months. Not always because of leaks, but yeah, HYX is in everyone’s faces. Fans themselves put a fucking huge spotlight on the show BEFORE we even have any content at all, and of course this isn’t enough to like create huge trouble for the show but then we have-

(3), which I believe creates the most trouble - the thing is 2ha and meatbun who wrote the book, has a long line of haters and antis, way before HYX came into the picture. I shall not go into details of how I’ve seen some big accounts on Tumblr here spit vitriol at the book without even reading it just based on the content/trigger warnings and playing the morality card (and I think most ppl who’ve followed me for a while know just what I think about that). Like this was way before any footage or leaks or even HYX being a thing came about - as a cult fave it has its share of haters, and this share is a huge. There are those who get off on their moral high grounds XD and I think especially these ones are the most troublesome, all they have to do is report that HYX is immoral, bad for culture etc. etc. hahaha and yeah the censorship team is always ready to step in on reports, especially on BL stuff.

And of course the larger part is the change in censorship processes - honestly even way before SHL came out in end Feb, HYX was no closer to getting passed by the review committee than it is now. Maybe yes, SHL scenes may be now used as reference for comparison but seriously? People are deluding themselves if they thought pre-SHL HYX was going through the review process smoothly and only hit roadblocks after. I mean, we’ve all seen the leaks, some of them are truly like god-tier scenes that may be hard to explain away. It’s not like they can repackage the script especially because they have to submit everything to the review committee.

I mentioned this in a post yesterday but how SHL passed reviews is due to the fact that they didn’t have to submit a full script. They only had to submit a partial script, and that makes a world of difference. Basically a team, under these requirements, can repackage the script to include the more het looking parts even I feel, and of course some heavy misdirection by the team, it could work. Now that you have to put an entire script up for scrutiny.. I mean, it’s hard. This is just a game of probability.

And the last reason I think is still Tencent. Honestly, I’ve never seen a huge ass MNC like this handle a show this terribly.

1. No control over leaks - This is honestly the dumbest shit to do

2. Terrible crisis management response time - When fans leak footage, it’s standard and practical business sense to control it IMMEDIATELY. They shouldn’t just leave it up to the crew to put up notices and as the company that owns the rights to the show, it’s up to them to possibly threaten legal action as well. Basically a sterner stance would have helped a lot, but Tencent is a motherfucker of a company who only cares about free marketing and publicity without any considerations over impact to the show itself 

3. Terrible at communicating with fans - Seriously, I’ve never seen a company or team that’s been this bad at confirming delays etc. and providing updates about a show. I understand that it’s mostly due to them not wanting to affect the review process or create more chaos within the fandom but lmao Tencent allowed the hype to build so much and then goes absolutely silent at crazy rumours. I mean we had to find out about a delay from Cai Bao, their cat mascot, like??? In a really veiled and poetic message that didn’t outright say the word ‘delay’ like damn these ppl have a lot of time

As for SPL,

Lol we don’t know anything about this show. We don’t know if they took out or left in the Yifu part that would supposedly make it less gay or whatever, we don’t know anything about how gay it should have been or could have, so this one might be a tad more ridiculous. I mean none of us have seen any good leaks, and we haven’t seen any of the script, we got ZERO idea about this. Maybe they really went hard on the bromance, how would any of us know hahaha so all the more it’s like people have zero basis to go on, to say that it’s because of SHL. Seriously, everyone’s shooting in the dark.

Technically if laws didn’t change last Feb, I think SPL/WIK should have been passed in the same way as SHL did, but it’s just inopportune time for them.

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- So tl:dr HYX already had tons of problems, that I doubt were going to go away just because SHL didn’t air, honestly. For SPL, it’s really hard to tell what failed the review, because none of us know what’s going on in the script.

No one cared about SHL, even I only realized the show was airing on the day itself and then made a rec post after I watched the first 4 eps. And if it truly was anything to do with SHL, I’m telling you that the first thing the censorship committee will do is basically shut SHL down, get Youku to take it off sites etc. until it’s reviewed again etc. etc. That hasn’t happened yet, at least not before HYX and SPL were stalled.

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ALSO!! Don’t have to feel sorry for SHl fans hahaha I’m telling ya a lot of us definitely weren’t OG SHL or TYK fans, seriously! All the bigger accounts I see on Twitter are a combination of CQL/SHL or MXTX/SHL, SPL/SHL and I am personally 2HA/HYX/SHL. The fight is all out on Twitter HAHAHAHA but it’s not that bad, we’ve all got practice. Seriously WHO ACTUALLY is an SHL only stan I’ve honestly not seen much?! HAHAHA the point is we’re all yelling on behalf of SHL as a cross fandom fan, easier for us to do so as well. We’re talking about 2ha/HYX/SPL/Priest dedicated accounts that delved deep into SHL championing for no-nonsense in the space hahaha

[theji]

28 Days BJYX Challenge

Day 10: Favourite BJYX Moment (outside CQL)

Without a doubt, this will forever be etched in my mind. The legendary 'smile that felled cities'.

I love any moment that GGDD are together. All the interviews, the bts etc. But my absolute favourite are the softer, more candid moments, moments that show them looking out for each other, because those really highlight their relationship dynamics. Moments like DD reminding GG to watch his step, GG clearing DD's seat so he wouldn't sit on random objects, DD alerting GG that his shoelaces have come loose, etc.

There was also a fleeting moment during the Tencent office livestream that stood out to me when I first watched it. GGDD were walking down a corridor. For context, earlier during the livestream with Zheng Fanxing, DD exclaimed aloud "You are mental" and GG made a shocked face. DD apologised immediately and covered his mouth. Personally for me I didn't think it was rude but perhaps in the culture over there, it's still considered not very good to allude to someone being (mentally) ill, especially not to colleagues or in front of the camera, hence GG's shocked expression.

DD: (softly) 大佬 (which translates to Boss/Big Guy)

GG leaning over: Mmm (in the most gentle tone, so naturally, as though that was what DD usually calls him in private) (CPN CPN)

DD: I said something wrong earlier.

GG: What did you say?

DD: ''You are mental''

GG: Aiyah that's not too bad...at least it's not that other one.

You can view the clip here. I find it endearing to see how much DD values his GG's opinions, and that GG tries his best to reassure DD. This little private exchange shows the mutual trust and respect they have for each other, the support they offer to each other, which goes beyond that of regular colleagues.

Another moment that I really love was during the Sina interview. As usual, they were complimenting each other.

GG: "Wang lao-shi is so mature and steady, even though he's a '97 little kid but he's able to pull off such a [couldn't catch what he said].....role. And then he's also athletic, knows skateboarding and skiing. What else do you know?

DD: Nothing else.

GG: He's good at dancing and rides the motorcycle very well. Perfect! The role model of the contemporary young men.

DD: 瞎胡吹 (something like exaggerating baselessly)

Throughout the exchange you can see DD obviously feeling pleased but embarrassed. He even had his head tilted down at one point. When he said 瞎胡吹, it was in such a gentle, soft tone. So very different from his usual reaction. This is Wang Yibo, who eats compliments for breakfast. Why is he suddenly so shy? I see pink bubbles all over the screen. Do you? 🥰

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[betweentheracks]

We*bo Night Style Review

The following is my insight and perception as a professional stylist and is subjective to my position and role. 

Long post is long. 

Starting from the first I saw, I will address Yibo's blue Chanel number. This look pulls directly from Chanel's Spring 2021 Ready-to-Wear line. It is paired with Jimmy Choo Mocca loafers and a beret which has a badge on it bearing "my own private planet" on it. This is a cute accessory for the The Little Prince homage alone. I won’t go into how fitting it is for Yibo to pull from this beloved book as it would make this post needlessly gushy and too long, just know that I have had loud feelings about it all day. 

Honestly, I was underwhelmed upon first impression when I saw this fit. Setting aside my own personal dislike of Chanel, the overall feel of this look didn't catch nor meet what I would have expected to see. It held a cute air of youth to it and played upon the boyish charm Yibo simply cannot be rid of thanks to his facial structure and features. It is jarring for me to write about Chanel in conjunction to "youthful, boyish charms" as Chanel caters near exclusively to women with deep pockets that enjoy looking as if they corner the ideal of being a Stepford Wife, no matter the age. 

However, Yibo has always successfully turned Chanel's overt "Emily Gilmore" aesthetic on its head and has singlehandedly returned Chanel to being in the ranks of fashion which are aimed at younger to middle range adults. Tonight is no exception to this as he did look wonderful. The accessories and the shirt are all also Chanel and initially debuted in as an ensemble when this Spring 2021 Ready-to-Wear line was trotted out at the end of last year. In my opinion as a professional and critical eye, Yibo wore this look better than the original model. The way his hair stylist did his hair with micro extensions and false locks to give him that additional length and furthering the ideal of youthful leisure really made this style snap off. 

Some notes on the pieces in play: 

This is not the first time Yibo has worn this specific collection of Chanel’s. His styles from Tencent Star Awards were also from this range. 

This collection was inspired by actresses of the vintage screen. Virginie Viard has commented that she wanted to capture the duality of modern actress lifestyles - high production value and quality of the red carpet service styles, to the staged nuance of being off screen and therefore off duty while waiting in line for coffee - framed by classic lines of the bygone Hollywood era. Yibo specifically seems drawn to the separates-based mix of the set, which were all styled from the draw of the 1980s - hence the shoulder pads and candy colors of pink and now blue. I feel it is worth mentioning that when this line debuted the runway many comments flew about how the collection felt very reminiscent of looking at Regina George inspired couture. Mean Girls, but make it Wang Yibo. 

The mini purse around his waist is actually a necklace, not a belt. 

He is wearing the Coco Crush ring. This item is peak comfort item material as he seems incredibly keen on wearing it whenever possible and is unabashed to have it called to attention. There is a story behind this ring, of this my professional chimes are ringing loudly in certainty. 

My impression of this style changed drastically the more I looked at it and marveled at the almost pale vulnerability the look managed to pluck upon. The color is flattering despite it being candy-bright and almost too pigmented to think of as a functional red carpet choice. Also, I strongly suspect the play here was to highlight the duality of Yibo himself since the style he served up immediately after this completely overwhelms the fawning spring of this style. 

Wang Yibo 2.0

This second look features Fendi, Patek Philippe, and Louboutin. The blazer is a Fendi black wool piece and the shirt, also Fendi, is from their lovely Spring/Summer 2021 collection. The watch is Patek Philippe and further showcases Yibo’s taste for expensive and bold watches and it’s actually incredibly admirable for him to use watches as an accessory which seals the deal on an ensemble. There aren’t many that can pull this off due to how often watches remain hidden by the cuffs and sleeves of jackets and shirts and therefore go unnoticed or are seen as bulky obstructions and are being slowly and steadily phased out from being considered staples of style. Of course the shoes are Louboutin, which is just a nice choice no matter what. Solid footwear; sleek and stylish no matter what. 

If I was initially underwhelmed by the previous fashion choice then this look did more than simply overwhelm me; it devastated me and left me gaping. The! Hair! The black on black silhouette! The way he flawlessly transitioned from being youthfully boyish and bursting with charm to a domineering presence of matured angles and sharp zeal!! Wang Yibo with an undercut and draped in matte black Fendi is enough to score through my bingo card of styles I was unprepared for and yet thankfully blessed by. 

Some notes on the pieces in play:

While the Fendi blazer isn’t altogether spectacular and one of their more run of the mill items, the shirt beneath and the collection it was pulled from are interesting. The Spring/Summer 2021 Fendi line caters to the celebration of love and the surreal intensity of what a domestic experience quarantine and lockdown was like. The menswear was notably designed as “boardroom to boudoir” meaning that the concept was embellished loose linens which could be tucked into a business or formal setting only to later be tugged free and worn sweetly casual, bordering intimate. 

This is the shirt in it’s full glory. It isn’t something you would expect to be expertly tucked into the slim lines of Yibo’s stature and one can imagine how it must appear when it left to fall loose around his lean frame. It is a bed shirt in essence and was utilized in such a way that it looks like an entirely new garment on him.  

And now we move along to Xiao Zhan and his timeless and classic style.

A man of brand/designer solidarity, he is decked from head to toe in Gucci. I won a bet on this as I wagered he would absolutely be in his chosen favorite. The brooch is another staple in his fashion repertoire and is a Tiffany & Co. item. 

He appears very timeless in these classic and clean lines. This is a straight fit wool suit which Gucci favors in tailoring to accentuate slim and tall builds and as such drapes over Zhan’s body as if it were an extension of his body itself. The fit is that perfect. He strikes me as looking very refined and noble in this suit; mature and aloof. 

Some notes on the pieces in play:

Gucci has a reputation for constantly improving the way they tailor suits and as such this “relaxed straight fit” is exclusive to their label. Any other fashion house has slim fits, which are the original frame for this style, but entirely different in how Gucci has renovated the way it all fits and hangs. They alter jackets to be comfortably loose along the back of the neck while remaining pleasantly tucked to accentuate the lines of the shoulders, arms, and chest. The pants are brought in at the waist to make slim appear sleek, and the fall straight through the legs to provide the air of being relaxed. 

The brooch he is wearing, “Four Leaves” by Jean Schlumberger via Tiffany & Co, is an antique item as Schlumberger was alive from 1907 to 1987. Schlumberger is only one of four designers ever given allowance to sign their work to Tiffany & Co. He created the collection the “Four Leaves” brooch hails from at behest of a friend and fellow admirer of nature’s glory, Rachel “Bunny” Mellon. The irony of Xiao Zhan, resident rabbit,  wearing a piece created on the request of someone called Bunny is not lost to me and hopefully not any of you now that I’ve made mention of it. 

The gemstone in the brooch is blue-green tourmaline. Tourmaline has many different correspondences depending on the color at hand. Blue-green rouses luck and success and is often used to manifest goals, notably of a creative nature. It is also a crystal of peace and encourages the release of past hurts by bringing them to the surface to be healed via honest and heartfelt communication. Tourmaline can evolve as it is worn and will adhere to the wearer’s conviction, rousing the idea of living a life of integrity and accountability; inviting the wearer to accept any perceived flaws and weaknesses with easy tolerance. I am making this mention because every bit of this seems so incredibly in line with where Xiao Zhan is in life and in his career, especially in light of what he so graciously said on we*bo yesterday as we made it to a year since hell came for him. I am always very moved by this man. 

Here is the brooch just so you can have a proper look:

And that’s a wrap on We*bo Night’s lookbook! 

This is a bit of a messy post and I do apologize for that, but nevertheless I hope it was enjoyable and gave you some new insights on the way fashion fits together at every turn. 

[bigg-city-riders-au]

Do you possibly have any headcannons / scenarios on Sunshine or Tencents having a human crush that works down at the docks but is kinda hesitant with going around the tugs after the curse?

Sure! Why not do both?

Ten Cents:

He just kinda developed a crush on you as you spent time together. Whether it be you loading up the barges, or just chatting in general, he has grown to have a rather strong liking for you. When the curse was first cast, and he had been changed, it really broke his heart when he saw you so afraid of him.

He made sure to put some extra effort into keeping himself under control, not wanting the curse to take over and make him snatch you up and devour you, but even then you were likely really hesitant to get anywhere near him, which really hurt him more than the transformation itself.

Once the curse was “fixed”, he felt confident to try and look for you. However, he was really disheartened when you didn’t come anywhere near him. However, he knew that it would likely take a lot of coaxing to get you to trust him again, or even get near him.

He would at first try to talk to you, but you would likely keep your distance still, even when he invites you to climb aboard, which you understandably turned down. He would try different means of coaxing you closer.

He learned that humans like his purr, so he has started to purr whenever he sees you as a means to tell you he’s harmless, and happy to see you. This seems to help calm your nerves. The deep purring is relaxing to listen to.

He then started chirping, and chuffing when he saw you, calling for you, and greeting you. This may actually help to lower your guard because when he does any of those, he looks absolutely adorable, and who wouldn’t want to approach him and give him scricthes?

Over time, he notices you getting closer, this encourages him to keep doing what he’s doing until you’re brave enough to get very close to him. He can easily reach out to you, but he doesn’t want to risk scaring you, so he simply talks to you. He doesn’t confess his crush on you right away. He believes it would be pretty awkward and more likely he would be rejected if he said it so soon.

As you talk with him, you get to know even more about him, and he’s even more sweet and gentle with you than other humans, which did catch your attention. You eventually ask him, and he confesses his crush on you to you.

It’s a bit of a surprise, considering you're a human, and he’s a tug, but the more you think about it, he has always been rather sweet on you, and you should have known this earlier. However, he is adorable, and rather protective of you.

He growls at any Zed-Stack that looks at you, or any tug that looks at you in general. The deep sound probably took you off guard with it coming from a switcher. You definitely can’t say you’re not protected in the port.

As you get to know him more, you start to fall for him too, but aren’t sure how to say it. Ten Cents would likely sense something is wrong, and pull you aside before asking if you’re okay.

You may take up the chance to confess your crush to him. Ten Cents is absolutely delighted, but keeps his excitement on the down low because he doesn’t want to startle or hurt you on accident.

He loves for you to just be there, just relaxing with him. Sometimes he’ll take you to the outskirts of the port so you can see the stars in the night sky with him. Over all, he’s a happy soft boi.

Sunshine:

This adorable little switcher has developed a crush on you, but the curse is simply getting in the way, making you reluctant to approach him, which is hard for him. He wants to talk to you, but he’s afraid he may frighten or hurt you by accident. However, he eventually tries to give you gifts, mostly shiny things he has found. If this doesn’t say he loves you, I don’t know what will.

He will be sure to chat with you when he can, keeping his fangs hidden of course. He knows the curse can make him seem scary, so he takes it slow.

Over time as he gains your trust, he encourages you to get closer, which sometimes works. Other times it doesn’t, but he’s okay with it. He understands he can be intimidating with the curse.

He is always concerned with your well-being. If he senses something is wrong, he will always be happy to be there to listen to you if you need it. He encourages you to take care of yourself, and to take breaks.

As he gains your trust, he kind of hints at his crush, giving gifts to you and no one else, chirping at you, and purring the moment he sees you. When you figure it out, you think it’s adorable.

Eventually, you get the courage to climb aboard and Sunshine is absolutely delighted, immediately snuggling you, and purring away. You find this to be absolutely adorable.

He finally confesses his crush, and is embarrassed when you tell him you already figured that. He looks even more adorable than before.

When you have the day off, Sunshine sometimes takes you to the river where you and him can have some time alone, which is nice considering how quiet and peaceful it normally is.

He is an absolute snuggle bug. If he’s not talking with you, he’s snuggling you, that’s it.

The more time you spend together the more you realize how much he really cares about you. It’s truly touching to have someone keeping an eye out for you, and making sure you’re okay.

He always makes sure to be as gentle as possible with you. He is very adamant at making sure you’re safe and sound when you’re with him.

He is warm as can be, and he knows it. He will make sure to keep you warm. The moment he sees you shiver or if he sees any other signs that you’re cold, he will ever so gently hold you close to keep you warm.

He’s just a big cuddle bug… with fangs.

[sirmedicknight]

Hello! I wanted to ask if you have any Isaac/Isaak headcanons (. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)

I do! I wrote some (here || here || and here) but i can add more.

-Manga Issac is colored with pale hair and skin, so I assume he is Albano. So I imagine that he has health issues.

-Also I think that he probably asked to be knighted alone with only Julian as witnesses. I think it's the guilt of switching but also I think he tried to catch Kanon by surprise.

-Also I think he and Kasa were scheming to take out Kanon too. Cause I think Kasa would confirm his suspicion since he can read hearts and all that.

-I quite explain why, but Sorrento spoilers Isaac much more than Julian. Idk I think him finding out he's an orphan made Sorrento pity him. Then it became genuine care and love. So when Isaac dies he gets the idea to play at benefits.

-This one just stems from them being a good comp in Awakening/ Tencent but Isaac is good friends with Alone in the underworld. Also that friendship is how he keeps coming back to life whenever the plot needs-, I mean whenever Hyoga needs him.

-He also at the end of the day does dumb stuff with Hyoga like air fights and other sibling things.

-His hands are already rough and Calais from his training. Sometimes Camus catching himself staring.

-uhhhh He also likes punk rock or at least if he heard it. 🤔

[accio-victuuri]

GG’s double standards

He may be more subtle than our aggressive lion, but his interaction/s with Web is very different from everyone else.

✹ GG is known to be very polite, to the point that even Antis know this and claim that he is fake. I don’t think I need to put videos on here to show just how polite he is. He even went on to say that this is how he was brought up. We can only see him (mostly) being a troll to Web. He hits him all the time on and off set. On interviews, he speaks his mind more and does not hide his “irritation”.

     (this is his i’m gonna kill you later face)

 ✹ He freely hugs people who are close to him when he sees them but never Web. They have “bro hugs” and the weird hand holding thing they do (hint: DDU) but never the soft hug he gives to others. Some bxg view this as him being extra careful with Web and how he touches him in public. I think the way he looks at Web is enough- he really doesn’t need to hug him in public. Video of how GG hugs others.

 ✹ GG once said that people can’t stare at his eyes for more than 3 seconds then they have to look away. He was also known to be good at staring contests. But when it comes to Web, he breaks out laughing or just looks away quickly when Web catches him. In the 160 minute interview last CQL anniversary, he also mentioned that he doesn’t know why they both end up laughing when they look at each other.



✹ In the subject of politeness, GG is know to keep a certain distance to his co stars. In the Jade Dynasty premiere, he kept an equal space between him and two female co stars ( could also be his obsession with centering things ). However with Web, there is no sense of personal space. Or if they have some space, they gravitate towards each other at some point ( see: Tencent Awards )

✹ can’t scroll and go back to GG’s weibo post because of the limitation on his account. But Web is the only co star that he posted a birthday message for on his Weibo.

✹ GG is more playful/childish when he is with Web. On the 9-minute boat video he mentioned that him and Web treat each other like same-age people do. GG is almost (always) the oldest in the group and has to act a certain way, but with Web, he can be more free and joke around. You can just see how relaxed he is when he is with Web even in public events. This is why We/bo night was so 👀 because of how different GG was with him.

✹ I can only remember one video of GG looking surprised that he took a different person’s water bottle (xnine days). In the BTS, you see them sharing his Green tea and those are the only ones caught on camera. There are accounts of them sharing food too. Web eating eggplants (which GG hates) from his plate. Sharing food does not mean they are in a romantic relationship, rather it just means they have that kind of closeness where you can eat off of the same plate. I’ll also put here the scenes in the BTS where they share each other’s cellphones. So it’s like, what’s yours is mine between them.

✹ This is similar to Web’s double standard of not holding people’s hand. with each other, there’s no problem to hold hands. even unconsciously.

For people that know GG just from his CQL era, it’s hard to appreciate how he changed and how different he is with Web. You really have to go back on his other works and see how he is. I’m sharing this translated comment below from a GG longtime fan (2015-2016). If you think that’s because of Web or not, it’s up to you. 

 For reference and credits:

9 minute boat video

GG fan translated comment 

XNINE staring game 

A good double standards video but mostly Web

Tencent Awards moments 

My favorite BJYX Fan video, come cry w/me 

[delicioussshame]

Look, I want to say this isn’t an AU where LBH is Lestat and SY is Louis, but... this is totally an AU where LBH is Lestat and SY is Louis, sans vampires. I just hadn’t realised this is what I was channelling when I started this forever ago.

“Shizun… It’s Shizun, isn’t it?”

Shen Yuan turns towards Luo Binghe, for who else could it be? “Yes.”

Luo Binghe, is, obviously, still as devastatingly handsome as he ever was. He didn’t lose anything by switching from the traditional style to more modern fashion. Maybe, Shen Yuan despairs, he even gained from it. Those jeans are literally stopping traffic.

He might miss his long locks though. Short hair suits him, but it wouldn’t feel the same under his fingers.

Shen Yuan shakes himself back to reality. The feeling of Luo Binghe’s hair under doesn’t have anything to do with him anymore.  “Binghe seems like he did well for himself.” He has no doubt on the matter. Managing their wealth through time was a challenge, but nothing an array of trusts, shell corporations, insider knowledge and skilled lawyers couldn’t arrange. Shen Yuan has been living lavishly for decades. He’s sure Binghe did the same.

“So does Shizun.”

The appellation brings a smile to his lips. It’s so ridiculous. Shen Yuan and Luo Binghe had spent centuries together. In comparison, the time Shen Yuan taught Luo Binghe was infinitesimal. The title is meaningless.

Luo Binghe used to say that Shen Yuan taught him something new every day. That they could spend eternity together and he’d never learn enough from him.

That was long ago now.

“This must be similar to the era Shizun came from, isn’t it?”

“Pretty much.” It’s not quite the same. Some events went differently, some didn’t, but daily life is almost indistinguishable

Investing in Tencent still proved profitable though.

Luo Binghe is wavering, obviously wondering if he’ll dare to say whatever he’s thinking of saying.  

It’s probably not a good idea. “Well, it was nice seeing you. I’m sure you have things to do.” Shen Yuan departs.

Or tries to. He’s hindered by Luo Binghe’s grasp on his arm.

“Binghe. Let go.”

Shen Yuan almost stumbles from the shock of seeing Luo Binghe’s eyes swell with tears for the first time in forever. His heart squeezes like Binghe was still his young and eager husband, crumbling under the slightest disapproval. Without his consent, his hand reaches up and wipes those tears away gently, the gesture so familiar it hurt.

“A-Yuan, please, don’t go! Give this disciple a day, no, an evening to catch up! I will take him to the best restaurant, pay for the grandest hotel, whatever he wants, as long as he spares me a fraction of his time.”

Shen Yuan knows better. He can’t falter here. He can’t let Luo Binghe charm him into a nice dinner where alcohol flows until, both of them tipsy, they fall into bed again and Shen Yuan finds himself spending another decade in Luo Binghe’s embrace. Not when his ex-husband’s character obviously still hasn’t changed. “When was the last time this charade worked? You’re just proving why we should stay apart.” The waterworks were cute when they were a hundred. Now, it just reminds him how little Luo Binghe minds being openly manipulative when it suits him.

The tears stop flowing almost as soon as Shen Yuan speaks. “Shizun is so cruel, calling out his husband after so many years spent apart.”

“Then maybe we should remain apart.”

“But I missed Shizun so much! Can he honestly say he didn’t miss me?”

He cannot. Of course there were days where he felt like half of his soul was missing.

There were also days where his freedom made him soar. “Almost as much as I relished being separated from him.”

Shen Yuan thinks the hurt on Luo Binghe’s face is real.

If you were to ask Shen Yuan, he would tell you that in this moment, Luo Binghe probably sincerely thinks he loves Shen Yuan still. If Shen Yuan welcomed his advances, he would probably continue to think so for, oh, at least a few decades. But then the novelty of having him again would fade. Flaws that were once charming would become irritants. His eyes would start wandering until he found a pretty new mortal to keep him occupied for a while. Maybe he’d try to teach this one cultivation, hoping this time, it would stick. Not that it ever did before.

Either way, he would try to convince Shen Yuan that said mortal was a mayfly he shouldn’t bother himself with, and that his jealousy was unbecoming.

Shen Yuan would end up leaving to nurse his broken heart for the nth time.

He’s not going through this again. Luo Binghe had his chances.

They were good enough for each other to last a few centuries. That’s better than most. Shen Yuan and Yue Qingyuan lasted barely three decades before their mutual bitterness killed anything that might have existed between them. No matter how much Yue Qingyuan wished, Shen Yuan couldn’t be Shen Jiu for him, and Shen Yuan had only so much patience for requests to be someone else.

Shen Yuan and Liu Qingge, that might have lasted longer, if Qingge hadn’t died. Shen Yuan had expected it to happen sooner or later. The former peak lord of Bai Zhan wasn’t made for immortality. He needed to be challenged to live. He couldn’t survive in permanent status quo. He had to find the obstacle that ended up being his end.

Shen Yuan hopes his next lives were more to his liking.

Not that it is relevant right now. “Binghe, our time has passed. Return to the place you call home and forget me.”

“I could never forget Shizun.”

Shen Yuan could never forget Luo Binghe either. “I know. This would be so much easier if we could, wouldn’t it?”

The look that crosses Luo Binghe’s face, a mix of melancholy, longing and pain, is probably something reserved for people like them, for whom the passage of time is different.

What would it be like, if they were meeting for the first time, without all the baggage weighing them down? What if Shen Yuan was still a normal human, and Luo Binghe, the dashing immortal bent on seducing him?

He’d probably fall in seconds. He would have no shield against Luo Binghe’s… everything.

He hasn’t been that Shen Yuan in eons. He can barely remember what it was like to be this innocent.

What he was like before Luo Binghe.

Maybe if he lives long enough, he’ll rediscover what it is like, to be Shen Yuan without Luo Binghe.

For that, he has to leave alone. “Goodbye, Binghe. Whatever you’re doing, I hope you’re enjoying it.” He turns to leave.

“You’re really going?”

The heartbroken, begging quality of his voice almost stops him.

It doesn’t. “Yes, I am.”

The faintest brush of his hand on his. “If Shizun is this certain, then who am I to stop him? I can only hope that he’ll be happier alone than he would have been with me, not that I think it likely.”

“I’ll try my best.”

Shen Yuan leaves.