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happy one year (and 5 days) to the van scene and jonathan's driving prowess
#inspired by 80s cartoons and their weird weird color palettes#animation#pretend you're watching this on a huge boxy tv okay#it's so vital#music- wildflower by beach house#shoutout to beach house they fuel me#2d animation#cartoon#will byers#mike wheeler#jonathan byers#argyle#byler#byler fanart#byler animation#stranger things#stranger things 4#fanart#stranger things animation#my art
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its so funny thinking about the people who dont watch yj seeing all my yj shit cuz theyre probably like "oh wow op moved on from jackishauna shes kissing someone else and op loves it" no this is very much still about jackieshauna. shauna kissing this rando proves jackieshauna thats why im losing my shit
#AND I WASNT EVEN LOOKING FOR JACKIESHAUNA PROOF I REALLY WAS COMPLETELY SATISFIED WITH JUST THE SUBTEXT ALONE#I DIDNT EXPECT THIS AT ALL#THIS ISNT LIKE BYLER I WASNT THEORIZING THAT THIS WOULD HAPPEN I WASNT EVEN HOPING I TRULY THOUGHT TAIVAN WOULD BE THE ONLY SAPPHICS#for my byler followers who dont watch yj: i feel like i just watched the byler kiss like that is the level of insane this is to me#but maybe even more than that will be because i didnt anticipate this#if they do have shit like shauna calling melissa jackie or seeing ghost jackie kissing her and shit like that.....#then i might say jackieshauna is my favorite ship of all time......#my current one is snowbaz and they have held the record for NINE YEARS SO THAT WOULD BE A HUGE DEAL#but god GOD!!!!#im not done i still have more shit to say hold on#i still want that anon who asked if i believed jackieshauna would be canon to come back to my inbox#my entire reason for saying no was because she wasnt an established queer character everythings different now#jackieshauna#yellowjackets
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this is addressed to all my mutuals;
YOU SILLY FUCKS I LOVE YOU, you warm my heart on the daily and i wish i could hug all of you and pat the top of your heads and like- yap about byler for 10 hours straight (ha!) without fearing we’re too much or too delusional
Byler nation you’re so important to me, please keep existing
#byler#mike wheeler#will byers#byler endgame#byler nation#miwi#antimileven#byler is canon#byler brainrot#THIS FANDOM IS FAMILY#it’s a bit intimidating at first ngl#because it’s HUGE and so AMAZING AGH#i love you guys#seriously#mutuals
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#byler#stranger things#st5 predictions#hellfire club is on a hit list plastered around town with the word hunt surrounding it...#and jason who just gave a huge speech about how hellfire is a cult is now dead...#cool#oh and will byers aka zombie boy who everyone in town knows is gay apparently and whose disappearance jumpstarted these cursed events...#is back in town?#oh they're so fucked#what does intrigue me is that if this is explored at all whether it be blatantly or sub-textually#they're gonna need to establish byler's feelings fairly early on to warrant the town having suspicions about them and then acting on it#but seriously#their entire town is dust#almost everyone has left besides the party and the extremely religious folks who are using jason's words as their driving force...#shit is about to go down#i have a whole post in my drafts about mike being fuuuuuckedd#like there's just too much evidence supporting it#the fact that he is on the hellfire poster#the fact that they make a point to have jason looking for mike and also nancy say that she saw him die in the vision#the fact that the scene at the town hall has both a will and mike lookalike#but the scene with will looking at his lookalike directly as they drive into hawkins but without mike's lookalike present this tie#with the following dialogue literally acknowledging people missing and dying and the shot focusing on mike#the fact that mike has been consistently late at the start of every season#the fact that mike's accompanied by a funeral home fan in his s4 promo pics#the fact that his funkopop looks like it's getting vecna'd#the fact that finn himself joked about mike dying in the opening scene...#oh and my personal favorite#mike: 'how am i gonna survive a whole week without you guys?'#that week ain't over yet folks...#anyways
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however the love triangle is resolved (byler obviously) whoever ends up single is going to have one hell of a time explaining their lore when they do start dating people. they're introduced to the party and afterwards when theyre going home they're trying to bond, like,
"wow, you're really close to your friends. it's really cute. :)"
"oh, yeah, that's probably because of the neverending crucible of torment and agony we went through together as adolescents."
"you mean, like, highschool?"
"yes... like highschool."
#byler#byler brainrot#byler endgame#el hopper#the party#i always think about this when a group of friends in media go through horrors and start partnering up#because on one hand my skepticism's like “thats unrealistic” bc theyre all so young. but on the other hand#theatre people are always hooking up and all theyre doing is theatre. if they had to slay beasties together i mean. yeah.#no one is ever going to understand the party like the other members of the party#and like anyone else involved tangentially#like if lucas and max did break up how tf you explain that situation to a new partner#there's really just. no... communicating the depths of the horrors#i think about that a lot#then again nobody really understands el's pain or experience fully and they all stll love her#and a lot of will's suffering is also deeply personal and private despite being the center of the plot#they know what happened to el and will but not how it actually played out. el's is especially like... yeah of course no one's#going to get it#theyre just going to be shaped by these huge suprnatural events for the rest of their lives and have to do normal shit afterwards#like get jobs and pay taxes and try to meet people in their twenties#it's kind of unfathomable
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SO THIS MEANS MIL*VEN BONES IKTR
#“everything i said” and mind you millie was a huge mil*ven shooter until recently so are you picking up what i'm putting down#(i'm being silly to be clear but also. am i)#anti mileven#byler#l's byler rambles
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i just realized now that romike are going to actually talk on screen WE WILL NOW GET SO MANY MORE FICS ABOUT THEM BECOMING FRIENDS 😭😭😭😭
#byler#romike#ive been such a huge advocate for this since 2022#so fucking excited#robin and mike#robin mike friendship must happen
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"it's been a year, mike" will someone explain this to me? hasn't it been a little over 5 months?? did the byers(+eleven) not move to california in october 1985? did mike not visit during march 1986? that's five months give or take. like that is still a while to not really be talking to your best friend but that is still not certainly "a year."
idk that part of the argument always bothered me.
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on top of that...... isn't it 22.march, the day of will's birthday??? like are there just strange timeywimey stuff going on?
#i am so confused.#it's been a year mike#like yeah ok. but...no? it hasn't? i still don't get why will's bday gets forgotten. anyways. NO SPOILERS PLS. no spoilers no leaks#no trailer info no nothing please. except for everything up to and including season 4 of course#stranger things#byler#byler theory#i guess??#look i am not rly in the fandom. idk about popular and/or debunked theories. i mostly just look at fanart.#EDIT: sorry for leaving such a huge gap after the “keep reading” lol. i removed that now. i wrote this last night and i guess i was embarra#embarrassed and thought i might be horribly wrong but i guess i might not be hehe
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Mike Wheeler is important and there's nothing wrong with analyzing him
Since y'all wanna be insufferable bitches about it I'm gonna explain to you why he's important, why Will loves him, why his struggles should be acknowledged, and why his character depth is pivotal to byler endgame being a satisfying conclusion for both Mike AND Will. Deal with it!
We are not seeing smoke where there isn't a flame. We are seeing smoke where there is a literal fucking forest fire.
Starting off with something a lot of people aren't ready for but I've seen more people talking about: Mike is the main character of s1 at the very least. He is the character that brings us into the world of stranger things. He is the character that the writers chose for this. Mike is the main character of s1 and it was an instant hit. The writers love Mike. Contrary to popular belief, giving a character an arc where they are struggling and their behavior changes from what is normal for the character we know and love does NOT mean the writers hate that character. It means they deliberately chose to give that character complexity and depth. Your inability to like characters that do anything wrong ever is not the fault of the writers. Your decision to act as if a character is not important is not reflective of the actual narrative because it in fact is in direct opposition to the narrative. So just to be clear, if you genuinely believe that Mike isn't important, or that the writers hate him, or don't care about him, or that his story "takes away" from any other character's - ESPECIALLY WILL'S - you are simply wrong.
In s1 and s2 Mike is established as an extremely caring person. He's loving, loyal, brave, intelligent, and trying his best. He is also established to be hot headed, someone who speaks without thinking quite often, someone who is capable of hurting his friends despite that being the last thing he wants to do. He is all of these things and more. He is a human. He is a kid. So in s3, when suddenly he is entirely different, it is completely logical to assume that there is a reason for that. He did not just wake up one day and decide he wanted to be an asshole, push Will away, make his friends feel abandoned, and echo the same sentiments their bullies held. Something is happening with him. He has so much going on in his head and it is painfully obvious. He's holding something in, he's hiding from everyone and from himself. We see glimpses of what he's trying to hide after Will calls him out on his behavior. Will gets through to him. Mike is usually unresponsive to tough love, except for when it's coming from Will. After their fight, it is obvious that he's trying to be better. But he still doesn't wanna face certain things, and he doesn't know how to navigate that. Because he's 13 years old.
There is a reason for all of that internal conflict. There is a reason it comes pouring out of him at certain times. He's crumbling. He is quite literally falling apart because he's holding on to too much. It's not a stretch to assume that, it just takes basic media literacy. Why would the writers have Mike act this way if he was just supposed to be a one dimensional character? Why would Finn be directed to portray Mike the way he does if there was nothing more going on? There are times where Mike looks like he's in physical pain because of his internal conflict. There is a reason for that. And acknowledging that DOES NOT mean people are taking away from Will. That's the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. Do y'all seriously not understand that more than one character can have emotionally complex storylines? Genuinely asking, is this a new concept for you?
Will's love for Mike
Will is head over heels in love with Mike. That is very much established. So when you're dismissing the emotional depth of Mike's individual arc because you think acknowledging it "takes away from Will" you are actually diminishing the significance of a huge aspect of Will's emotional arc. By taking away the significance of Mike, you take away from the significance of Will.
Let's do a quick recap of the very significant role Mike has played in Will's entire life:
Mike is Will's first friend.
They have grown up together and it can be assumed that they've reached important milestones together.
Mike has always been a safe person for Will. He's been a constant in Will's very chaotic and unfair life. Until the summer of '85, Mike had always been something good in Will's life. (That's not to say he is no longer something good, but it can be assumed that the summer of '85 is the first time Mike has been a causal factor in Will's unhappiness)
When Will went missing, Mike did not hesitate to search for him. It wasn't even a question of if. The moment he knew Will was missing he knew exactly what he'd be doing that night. He spearheaded the search amongst the party. He was the leader.
When Will came back, Mike was the only person that didn't treat him like he was gonna break. He cared for him, and he was there for him, but he didn't treat him differently; Will tells us as much. Which means we can infer that the way Mike was with Will in s2 - how gentle and loving he was - was nothing new. He had just always been like that.
When Will was possessed, Mike stayed by his side. Even when it was scary, even when it could've gotten him killed, he stayed. Because once again, for him, it wasn't even a question. That's just where he knew he needed to be. He was in the shed when they were trying to get through to Will. He was set apart from Lucas and Dustin, but he also wasn't equated to family. And his retelling of the story of the day they first met was the final push Will needed to find a way to communicate.
After a year of things being "weird" between them, Mike tells Will that he didn't deserve to be treated the way he had been. Mike tells him that he wants them to be okay again, and for the rest of the season he puts in the work.
Things get rough in s3, and at the beginning of s4, and despite all of that, Will confesses his love (albeit veiled). In a moment where Mike is feeling awful about himself, he tells him that he loves him and needs him, and he tells him why. And to him it doesn't matter that he's breaking his own heart to do it, because it's Mike. Mike, who makes him feel like he's not a mistake at all, and that he's better for being different. For Will, there was no other option. The person he loves was hurting and he knew how to help, and so he did.
Mike is the first person Will tells about Vecna still being alive. Because they're back to being a team. He knows he can trust Mike, and Mike seems to be very determined to prove him right.
SO.
These are all real and canon aspects of Mike's presence in Will's life. Will falling in love with Mike isn't something that just happened for no reason. Will fell in love with Mike because of who Mike is. When you acknowledge that, and when you acknowledge the reasons they've set out for why Will loves him - the reasons Will literally told us - you can better understand Will. But when you dismiss all of these things about Mike, you are dismissing a large portion of Will's emotional and romantic arc. You aren't being a Will Warrior. You are erasing so much of him and his feelings and his lived experience. That is not the hill you wanna die on.
Will loves a person. Not a feeling. Yes, he says that Mike makes him feel like he's not a mistake and that he's better for being different. But that's not why he loves him. He feels that way because he loves him.
Mike is a fully fleshed out character with his own feelings and struggles and fears and traumas and motivations. He's not a plot device. He's not just an accessory to Will's arc. He's not a character that was written only to be Will's love interest. He's Will's love interest because he's Mike.
If Mike didn't matter, and if Mike didn't play a significant role in byler, then they would be able to write in a love interest for Will in s5 and have it be somewhat satisfying. But they can't do that. Will's love for Mike has so much depth because Mike has so much depth. It is genuinely crazy that this has to be stated and that I have to back up this claim because it is simply a canon fact.
So yes, the rain fight affects Mike's character development and his involvement in it is important. Yes, the van scene literally could not exist without Mike and therefore his involvement in it is incredibly important. Yes, every single byler moment has an impact on Mike, and Mike has an impact on it because they are BYLER moments. Yes, Mike will have a lot of significant moments - with Will AND on his own - in s5 because his arc deserves and needs as much attention as Will's in order to execute byler endgame in a satisfying way.
No, none of these facts negate Will's importance or take away from his story. If anything, they add to it because Mike and Will's arcs are corresponding and intertwined.
Mike's struggles
To name a few
Dysfunctional family
Has been bullied his entire life
Extreme self worth issues
Inferiority complex
Hero complex
Lack of self preservation
Suicidal ideation (has been on display since SEASON ONE)
Internalized homophobia
To get this out of the way: Mike's internalized homophobia is allowed to be discussed. Discussion of it is not the dismissal of Will's internalized homophobia. Surprise surprise, two queer kids in the 80s have internalized homophobia! Who'd'a thunk it?! Their internalized homophobia presents in different ways but it is there for both of them. I personally relate to the way Mike's is portrayed way more than I relate to Will's. So why is it that we can't discuss it without being accused of erasing Will's experience? Or without people saying that we're "copy and pasting" Will's story? Because quite frankly, that feels dismissive of my - and likely many others' - real and lived experience. So please for the love of all things that are good just stop with this talking point because it will never hold up.
Moving on
I'm not gonna do a full breakdown of all of Mike's issues. Because contrary to popular belief, there are a lot. And that would be exhausting and I'd get carried away and it's not the point of this post. The point of this post is to defend the acknowledgement and mere existence of them.
If you're a byler that for some reason thinks Mike only exists to be Will's love interest and his trophy as compensation for his trauma, let me ask you this: Have you considered how awful it would be to have a queer character's individuality and emotional depth completely ignored for the sake of focusing on the queer character that "really matters"?
If Mike's own issues, with his queer identity and otherwise, aren't thoroughly explored... What's the point of all this? If Mike really is insignificant in this storyline and his individuality has no effect on it.. where's the emotional payoff? If his perspective doesn't matter... Why have the writers gone to such great lengths to ensure we don't have that piece of the puzzle yet?
Analyzing Mike and understanding Mike is very important to understanding byler. Once again, I think it's crazy that this needs to be said.
I also think it's important to note that characters can have similar struggles. There's no rule against that. Just like real life. Characters having similar struggles is not a bad thing, and acknowledging that their struggles are similar is not dismissive of either character. We're talking about STRANGER THINGS. Jonathan and Nancy's thing is "we've got shared trauma". They have literal matching scars. Shared experiences are some of the main building blocks for this show's romances. Byler has a TON of shared experience, basically their entire lives. We already know that. So wouldn't it be so beautiful for them to learn that they've been struggling with the same thing this whole time? That the entire time they felt alone in what they were going through when really they had each other and they never even knew it? Wouldn't it be so beautiful for Mike's acceptance of Will and Will's love for him was also a step toward accepting himself? Wouldn't it be beautiful for Will to learn that his love makes Mike feel like he's not a mistake? None of that would be in the realm of possibility if Mike didn't have emotional depth and if his individuality wasn't important.
And that leads me to my concluding point...
A satisfying execution of byler endgame hinges on Mike's individual emotional arc being handled well
God I hope this isn't controversial to say. I sincerely hope most people haven't forgotten that.
Here's a hypothetical:
Imagine season five has been released. You're watching it, and you notice that Mike has been relegated to just a supporting character for Will. We don't get any of his perspective. We don't get any explanation for his s3 and early s4 behavior. His breakup with El doesn't have any real tangible effect on him, it's really just used for El's character development. We never see him pining for Will like we saw Will pining for him. And then suddenly Mike is learning about the painting and then suddenly he's confessing his love and then suddenly byler is canon and official.
Now wouldn't that just be awful? Wouldn't that be unfair to the audience, to Mike, and to Will? For us to never learn just how much Mike had to go through to even be able to say it out loud? For Mike to never get the chance to prove to himself through word and action that he is the heart? For Will to never get an explanation for why things did get so "weird" between them? It would leave us with one big, nagging question: What was the point of everything Mike has said and done throughout the entire show if his conclusion is that lackluster?
Disregarding Mike for a moment (I know that's incredibly ironic given what the entire point of this is but just bear with me) - how would that be a satisfying conclusion for Will? I mean, Will's s4 arc was basically dedicated to showcasing his struggle with his sexuality and with his love for Mike. We were shown just how deep that love is. We were shown how patient, unselfish, unwavering, and beautiful that love is. So how would it be satisfying for Mike's love for him to not be shown with just as much depth? How would it be satisfying for Mike to just be a one dimensional character whose s5 arc is essentially "break up with girlfriend, wait to find out best friend is in love with him, say he loves him back, then they live happily ever after"? I think Will deserves for his love to be returned with the same intensity at which he gives it. And I think it should be clear to the audience and to Will himself.
Back to Mike!
Mike has been through so much shit. I don't think anyone that is denying that actually believes he hasn't been through shit. Because you'd actually have to watch the show on mute and with your eyes closed to think this kid hasn't had just the worst time. It's so ignorant to act as if this stuff hasn't affected him. There's stuff we've seen but there's stuff we also haven't seen. There are issues he has that date back to his childhood pre-canon. Just like Will, Mike has been a queer kid growing up in 80s smalltown conservative america. Acknowledging the pain he 100% carries because of that is so important. His perspective has been withheld from us, not because it's unimportant, but because it's the final puzzle piece. If we had Mike's perspective in s4, byler wouldn't be a "will they won't they" (even though we all know they will). If we got his perspective in s4, byler would be a "100% certain without a doubt they will". But the thing about his perspective is that it's so much more than just loving Will. It's fear. It's pain. It's insecurity. It's doubt. It's the belief that his happiness just doesn't matter all that much. All of that has to be explored. All of that has to be laid out in the open for us in order for byler endgame to feel earned. Mike's emotional payoff will lead to byler's emotional payoff.
Mike has known he loves Will. In s5 we will see him make a deliberate and active effort to overcome the things keeping him from doing something about it. And then he will do something about it.
And so when it finally happens. When both Mike and Will finally know that their feelings are requited, and when their arcs end with us knowing that they will face whatever life has in store for them together, that will feel earned. That will feel like the logical conclusion for both of them. Not just for Mike. Not just for Will. For both.
And Mike is just as important to that conclusion as Will is.
And one last thing...
Some people are going to talk about Mike more. Some people are going to talk about Will more. Because newsflash, people have preferences. Some people just relate to Mike more, or they find his emotional arc extremely compelling, or they just like him. It isn't an attack on Will or any other character. No one is saying Mike is more important than any other character (I'm sure there are people that say that but they are a vocal minority and they are simply wrong). We are just saying that he is important. If you wanna engage in media analysis, please understand that "main character" or "central character" does not mean "only important character" and "only character that should be analyzed". If you wanna talk about Will and only Will, that's fine. But you don't get to act like people that talk about other characters are doing a disservice to your fave, because that's not how any of this works.
#mike defenders i need you to back me up on this#i hope my points come across well#anyway#the way people have been talking about mike lately is so infuriating#its called BYLER analysis because its the analysis of BYLER the ship involving will AND mike#st fandom consistently proving that they have absolutely no idea how fandom works#its almost like people wanna talk about things they care about and you dont get to tell them to shut up#if you dont wanna see people talking about mike you can just mute tags about him#but if you dont wanna talk about mike youre missing a huge part of the byler puzzle and thats your loss#please just let people discuss whatever they want to discuss as long as its not ACTUALLY harmful#sometimes i think y'all are allergic to fun#byler#mike wheeler#mike wheeler analysis#will byers#< this is about him too#byler analysis#byler endgame#stranger things
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other context for today i’m almost 3 months on T and the most masc i’ve ever looked and chatting to st cast members and hearing them call me man was one of the most overwhelming gender affirming things ever
#like i know they’re american/canadian and probably just say that#and i still don’t really pass#but it was so huge#and they had so much influence on my coming out#stranger things#transmasc#byler
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stranger things season one 2016 was so fucking incredible. it exists as an entirely different entity to me than the rest of the show. you literally just had to be there. to this day nothing has ever come close to the amount of universal love for a fictional story that stranger things first received. ive been chasing this high for eight years.
#ik theres a lot of young fans of this show that are teenagers rn and listen#if you were too young to watch this when it first came out I DONT THINK YOU REALIZE HOW HUGE IT WAS AT THE TIME#THE FIRST TEASER FOR SEASON TWO LITERALLY PREMIERED DURING THE SUPERBOWL#THAT ALPHABET WALL DID SOMETHING TO OUR BRAINS AND CHANGED THE WAY WE MAKE AND CONSUME SCIFI FOREVER#i genuinely believe that scene of joyce looking around at all the lights is one of the most iconic scenes in tv history#like i cant even explain it to you we lost our fucking minds over this show it was unlike anything anybody has ever seen#this was such a pivotal memory of my junior and senior year year of high school#everyone was wearing merch my teachers would gush about it in class everyone tuned in to watch the cast on fallon it was EVERYWHERE#and do not even get me started on halloween that year oh my god#it was just so fucking fun i miss it#just rewatched s1 and all i can think about is 17 year old me losing my fucking mind#its such an amazing season#i do understand why some people say they wish it stopped at season one im glad they didnt but i see where theyre coming from#stranger things#byler
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maturing is realising that mike and will are the cringiest mfs in the show and loving them for it
#like will byers really painted a huge red heart on a painting that was basically a love confession#and the whole crazy together thing?#i love them#”cool” “cool”#“we’re a team”#+the fact that mike had to have will rubbing his back and calling him pet names so he could “confess” his love to el#YOU’RE THE HEART BABYGIRL#they’re so unserious i love them#byler#will byers#mike wheeler#stranger things#byler endgame
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(go on and) kiss the boy
“So,” Mike starts, drawing out the word, and Will turns to him. “Any ideas on how to spend the next fifteen minutes?” It’s teasing, suggestive when he wiggles his eyebrows, and it’s so unexpected that Will lets out a surprised laugh, unabashed, and it’s so easy, how the tension falls away, and it’s only them again. “You’re ridiculous,” Will shakes his head, smiling, but Mike looks proud of himself anyway. He points out, “I don’t hear you complaining.” Will scoffs, nudging at him with an elbow. “Whatever,” he smoothly replies. Mike grins.
Will, Mike, and the numerous attempts at their first kiss.
#hiii it is me again . hello#ok . on with the tags#oh my god its 3 am#I HAVE TO GET UP AT NINE .....#ok . ok#byler#will byers#mike wheeler#byler fic#byler fanfic#um . what else#thats probably it idk#ok no rambling this time . i am so tired ive been working on this for like . one day and it i sprobably so bad and im missing osme huge mis#ake . my eyes are going to melt out of my ears#EARS ? HEAD I MEANT HEAD#SKJULL ??? SKULL theyre going ot melt out of my skull . jesus christ#im done embarrassing myself#goodbye and goodnight#byebye#magic
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every autumn i get obsessed with byler like clockwork . i think its the curse .
#byler#well the explanation i like the best is that autumn brings huge changes esp. in college and so my brain decides to seek out familiar#interests in order to feel a sense of familiarity and comfort and stability. which i think is cool and effective#or you know. the byler curse#also i lied last year it was metalocalypse im a liar
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I JUST REALIZED THERES GOING TO BE ADVERTISEMENT FOR SEASON 5 AND ITS KEEPING ME GOING
TRAILERS
POSTERS
INTERVIEWS
BTS CRUMBS
OH MY GOD.
#stranger things#byler#< target audience#i cant wait to see all the analysis on the crumbs we get#especially at the start#and all the numbers for the tags shooting up#a huge thing i love about this fandom is the analysis#its so fun#cant wait to prove byler endgame because of colors in a poster#im so excited#byler endgame#anti mileven
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#byler twt fandom pissing me the fuck off over their constant disrespect to artists by reposting#does “no reposts” mean nothing to them or do they think it only matters because no one from here sees it#its just a huge gripe with me and why i never interact like you know it takes engagement away from the actual artist even with the credit#or do they do it solely so they get engagement for something they didn't create? yknow that shit takes time instead of the 5 secs it takes#for you to post it. either way it pisses me off so bad#sammi speaks
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