#and same with shin yoosung

[morning-and-good-night]

ORV textposts 2/?

[aweekoftodays]

how dare you leave that in the tags

not the step dad just the dad who stepped up

[curapicas]

Age in orv is a topic that I have thoughts about, albeit not very coherent. It's tied to the wacky nature of time loops in orv, but the series also explicitly says that some constellations "define" an age for themselves so they don't lose their sense of self, and it's implied they keep the age where they reached their constellation status. It's a protection against what is basically immortality, but also a way to lock themselves in place; remaining unchanging by necessity also means no growth. This reflects the main characters as well:

Lee Jihye, but mainly Lee Gilyoung and Shin Yoosung have their lives changed by the apocalypse at an early age, and when their age is reset they're back to being minors again. Their strength is tremendous but somehow doesn't shake off the feeling that they're the "babies" of the group.

Yoo Mia is the eternal cute little sister, but reaching the end of scenarios does allow her to grow in the next regression in ways she never could before. Heck, Kim Namwoon is the eternal chuuni teen who died before he could change, and in death is happy to indulge in his current hobbies. When he's seen again, Han Myungoh has notably aged due to trauma, but also fatherhood - a different stage in life than trying to hit on harass girls in his office to go out with him (granted this never stopped cheating husbands but hmo really seems to priorize being Dad). Meanwhile, Han Dareum's mind does not keep up with her physical aging, esp while being possessed/having her time stolen by Asmodeus.

Biyoo is a tormented old soul in a baby's body, and for a while she's allowed to exist without remembering everything, working hard but still being cared for. She only speaks baby lingo until it's revealed to be a conscious decision of hers, and one that kinda bites her in the ass when she reappears as a moody teen human. At the same time, her memories come back fully from 41sys at the end, plus it's implied she spent a much longer time than 20yrs in the Dark Dimension; yet still chooses the form of a young girl when she's back, and freely changes back to fluffball form for convenience' sake.

Yoo Joonghyuk is a can of worms of his own: thousands of years old who goes back to his 20s again and again, thought of and addressed by others as a young man - the only one who calls him ahjussi, an old man term, is sys. (Apparently even when they're being respectful, none of kdj's kids are all that flattering when addressing him lmao) Anyway, the regression locks him in place in many ways, and when he's finally free, spends 2 years paralyzed by the abrupt change. But he goes to space, and comes back looking older than the main group, as if he took on a different mentality and is in a new stage of life (aka space is where he evolves as both a reader and a writer).

Kim Dokja is interesting. First of all, his younger self is 15 but repeatedly described to look waaay younger (it's growth stunt implying both his abuse and symbolism of his coping mechanisms). Yet he's consistently called ahjussi by the younger girls and kim namwoon, as if oppa/hyung just don't feel right (idk korean so I can't speak of the nuances, but ljh and knw aren't all that respectful in general so I wonder, lmao. As for sys, oppa probably doesn't feel right after him taking her in as a protegé). He "loses" 3 years and remains physically unchanged through the whole scenarios, and then slowly reverts to kid form as OD - and THAT is how he ends the novel. All those fanarts of his comatose adult form had me fooled. He could be said to be regressing to a child but at the same time he's SP's "parent", and arguably the world's parent. His familial "milestones" (father of a dokkaebi at 28 & adopted at 30) being all over the place can even be an allegory to the varying age.

The 4th wall starts as an old opportunistic man but already has a child-like speech from the moment it first appears, way before its last time in the train. It revered kdj at the very start but as years go on, respectfully defers to hsy as the god of their world (Thus he acts on her orders but also has his own interests). Bickers with kdj like a younger brother, even as he functions as a guide.

And as the other two in yoohankim, Han Sooyoung is an ourobouros too: first of all her avatar skill can change appearances, so arguably she can choose a different age. Her other self did a tricky dimension hopping and ended up half of a hardened 30 something yrs old in the body of a teen, and she lived split between this older self and the person developing normally until 26yrs old. Heck, she has an arc where she waits 50 years in a scenario (she keeps her sanity by getting rid of some memories). Like everyone else in Kimcom, the regression messed up some years, but by the time they accepted defeat, she wears glasses to look older at her job. Appearances matter... but does she feel like her age?

[1800-page-not-found]

Hi! Glad to see an ORV writer. They seem to be a very rare breed. Like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Anyhow, as you might have guessed. I have an ORV request for you. I got sort of inspired by that vampire. How about having our reader being a phoenix? Ya know the mythical immortal firebird? With the related powers? Like how would KDJ and YHJ react to their “s/o” being one? Like say they seemingly ‘died’ but then ina red flash of flames they are instantly revived, completely healed.

School is starting soon which means my updates are gonna be even scarcer lol

Kim Dokja, Yoo Joonghyuk (seperate) x reader

Summary: You sacrificed yourself for them, but just before they can grieve, you come back to life?

Using the Disaster of Floods chapters when Shin Yoosung obliterated KDJ in the novel.

also, Yoo joonghyuk never dated Lee seolhwa bc plot

Kim Dokja knew you were a phoenix, as it said from the story and your character profile said so. What he didn't realize was the fact that you also shared the same abilities as one (your character was mentioned only a few times in TWSA). So when you died, Kim Dokja was terrified.

Kim Dokja's eyes widened at your body standing in front of him. Nononono! He-He was supposed to take the shot! Why did you do that?! You knew he could revive again!-why?

He dashed to catch your fallen body. "No, no, no! [name]! Y-you can't die! Shit! Why did you do that!?" But your body had already fell limp. Kim Dokja cried for his favorite side character, his lover, his idol.

He held you close, yet tears were unable to fall due to the fourth wall. "I can't even cry or mourn you...What kind of lover am I?" He could only close his eyes and curse fate for doing this to him.

-

You opened your eyes to darkness, until a screen popped up.

[You have died.]

[Revitalization count down has finished.]

[The skill, Phoenix:Revive, is taking effect.]

-

Kim Dokja's eyes opened, then widening as your body started to burn. He could only step back, and watch as your body lit on fire. Your clothes started to burn, besides the ones which were fire resistant. 'I couldn't even give you a proper goodbye and their taking me away from you?...' Kim Dokja thought bitterly. He looked down at the ground, clenching his fists in anger.

-

You opened your eyes, your body feeling warm as a flame engulfed you. 'Ah...how nice it is to be a phoenix...' You sighed in relief.

-

The sound of your sigh snapped Kim Dokja's head up to you. "[N-name]? H-how?" Oh, how he wanted to cry so much right then and there. Too bad for the fourth wall.

You stood up as the flames lessoned and cooled down, dusting off some ash. "Huh?...But I thought you knew? I'm a phoenix remember?" You tilted your head in confusion. Wasn't he the one to realize you were a phoenix the moment you met? Surely it wasn't a bluff right?

"A-ah right...how could I be so foolish..." He mumbled, blushing a bit as his heart rate cooled down from the shock. He ran up to you, hugging you tightly and not letting go, ignoring the sweat and high temperature that surrounded you. "Y-you can't do that again!.."

You stood still, a menacing aura coming from you. "What the hell do you mean 'I can't do that again?' Once the cool down is finished, I won't let you die. Hypocrite. You were gonna take the shot for that wretched man, so why can't I?" You seethed in anger.

"Right right sorry..." Kim Dokja scratched his head bashfully. You were right... "I won't stop you okay? Don't be mad..." (He lied he was going to make sure you never had the chance to sacrifice yourself again no matter what).

---------

Just as Shin Yoosung fired the bright beam, your body instinctively moved. "Joonghyuk! Stop staring like a deer in headlights!-" You grabbed Yoo Joonghyuk by the collar, throwing him back behind you as you took the hit.

"Keugh!-" You fell on your knees, coughing up blood nonstop. "A-Ah..no...[name]?..." Yoo Joonghyuk took fast, trembling steps as he caught your falling body.

"Heuk...it hurts...Joonghyuk it hurt so much!..." You cried, your tears mixing with your blood as it dripped down to the side of your face. "P-please don't regress...These new companions, don't abandon them please. I'll be okay.." You begged, grasping onto Yoo Joonghyuk's clothes weakly, before dropping limp, dead.

"Haah, Haah..." Yoo Joonghyuk breathed deeply. Why did he have to see you die again? His only lover in each regression, who cherished him deeply and believed him when he told them he was a regressor, and stayed by his side no matter what. "Why?...Why did you die for me?" Tears dripped down onto your face. The single fear Yoo Joonghyuk had every regression...your death.

-

You opened your eyes to darkness. 'I wonder if he stayed?' You pondered. He, your lover, the man who saved you from your eternal cure of sleep as a phoenix.

[You have died.]

Ah right, you were a phoenix.

[Revitalization count down has finished.]

Thankfully, the countdown ended, so you could return to your lover.

[The skill, Phoenix:Revive, is taking effect.]

-

Yoo Joonghyuk felt a burning pain in his hands as you were set ablaze. "No!" Yoo Joonghyuk screamed, were the gods not even allowing him to bury you properly? Kim Dokja had to hold Yoo Joonghyuk back as he thrashed around, continuously hurting the man, trying to reach his lover.

"[NAME]!" He shouted, then eyes widening as he stepped back. "[name]?..." Your clothes were a bit burned besides the fire resistant ones.

"I wonder if he stayed?..." You mumbled, looking around. You really hoped he didn't regress.

"Y-you're alive...H-how?" Joonghyuk stood still.

"I'm a phoenix, remember? I can come back to life." You smiled, tears dripping down your face. "I'm so happy you didn't regress this time."

His eyes widened in horror and regret. Does that mean..Every time you died and he had regressed, you came back to life moments later? No...no...how-how much time had you spent alone? How could he leave you?

Guilt crept into him. He took a shaky step towards you. "E-every time...you came back?.." His eyes widened, hands shaking as he reached out to hug you.

You nodded solemnly. "I'm afraid so." A bitter chuckle came from you lips. He spoke, "I-I'm sorry. I didn't mean to leave you, I-" You cut him off and hugged him as he sobbed into your shoulder.

"Its alright, my dear. Just don't do it again alright? Wait for me. I don't want to be alone."

"Alright." He whispered.

[metanarrates]

the demon world arc centers itself primarily around four relationships that kim dokja has: his relationship with biyoo, his relationship with han myungoh, his relationship with jang hayoung, and his relationship with yoo joonghyuk. what I find very interesting about this is that the throughlines of all the first three relationships, as either introduced or recontexualized in this arc, have to do with parenthood/the responsibility of creation.

the last arc, dark castle, heavily examined kim dokja's relationship with his own mother. now, in this arc, he is taking on the role of a parent and the associated guilt and responsibility with it. let's take a look at the first three relationships mentioned.

biyoo - biyoo hatches this arc! though kim dokja needs her abilities as a dokkaebi to survive here, he feels some measure of guilt about bringing her into this world where she has no choice but to love the story. she's not a human infant, so their relationship isn't the same as a traditional parent and child bond, but he still views himself as her parent and feels responsible for her. her utility as a helping hand in his survival and his guilt towards both her and her past life as 41st shin yoosung are both major components of their interactions this arc.

jang hayoung- while kim dokja is emphatically not her parent, it was his comments on twsa that created her character. again, like biyoo, he feels some guilt and discomfort with his role in bringing her into the world. while it is plot-important that he helps her develop past her emotional problems this arc, I can't help but read his interest in helping her develop as being related to his personal sense of responsibility to her. he takes on the role of an older mentor to her in this arc. (you also super get the sense that kim dokja does not understand Kids These Days lmao)

these two relationships inform each other quite a bit. biyoo highlights kim dokja's responsibility as a parent, on a very mundane level. meanwhile, jang hayoung highlights kim dokja's responsibility as a story creator. both of these roles have things in common, and since biyoo is a story creator and jang hayoung is a real person rather than a fictional character, there's aspects of both roles present in both relationships.

kim dokja struggles quite a bit with viewing himself as an active party in the world. dark castle, as part of its setup in informing kdj's ongoing character, dealt quite heavily with how his mother's choices and his reliance on the fourth wall created this problem. now, he is forced to acknowledge his direct involvement in the creation of two separate people, and the veil of fiction cannot protect him. he is a parent. and his comments on twsa created a living person. he cannot easily deny, now, that his involvement with twsa is something that had no consequences. he hasn't quite processed all of that yet, but the feelings of guilt and responsibility are difficult to ignore. both of these relationships are priming him to deal with more difficult stuff down the line. we'll get to that in a minute.

meanwhile, han myungoh serves as an interesting parallel to kim dokja now! after learning that han myungoh has a daughter and was changed by his responsibilities as a parent, kim dokja is forced to reevaluate his relationship with someone who was formerly only his cruel boss. his presence in the story brings forward a lot of observations on parenthood that kim dokja would not have otherwise noticed. and... it also provides setup for kim dokja further coming to understand that people can grow past his impressions of them.

which brings us to yoo joonghyuk. THE focal point through the novel regarding kim dokja's involvement in the world of the scenarios. while his role in this arc is primarily dealing with his and kim dokja's relationship on a mundane level - and them literally impersonating each other - his presence is a reminder, something highlights those meditations on creation, responsibility, and involvement in one's story. if jang hayoung was created as a foil for yoo joonghyuk, and kim dokja is helping yoo joonghyuk develop in this timeline, can kim dokja really say that his reading of twsa did not have any consequences...? the thematic and emotional groundwork laid by this arc lays down a strong foundation for that question to be brought forward and explored more in future arcs.

[keiicom]

Yjh things the Webtoon 'forgot' to mention or to point out bc they hate novel yjh

Warning for vague webtoon spoilers ig?? No spoilery names are named and no unreleased scenarios are mentioned/specified btw but I thought I'd add this warning just in case :)

He waited three days on the bridge for kdj to resurface after he dropped him in the Ichytosaurs mouth. Just. Waited there.

He smiles when Kdj tries his food and says it's good (it's more like a tiny smug smile tbh)

He is a WORRIER. Man worries about everything, but sucks at expressing it through actions bc that's when he's most easily misunderstood. It is EXTREMELY easy to misunderstand his actions unless the other characters ask him what he's doing and why [after he explains, he turns out to be actually really thoughtful tbh]

When he tells 41st round shin yoosung to "quit her blabbering"...he wasn't that harsh in the novel. The line was changed (still don't know why) but originally he said something about not having enough time, and wasn't a complete asshole.

Also during that same arc/scene it was revealed that he woke her up because he genuinely didn't think she'd attack him/be mad at him iirc, so it wasn't him being stupid, just somewhat naive

When Iris called KDJ ugly he actually stepped forward and intimidated her by glaring so she'd stop talking :) because he sensed fighting spirit in her and he decided to react lmao

His eyebrow moves similarly to a caterpillar when he's about to make an important decision (note: kdj points this out in the novel because he's always staring at yjh I swear to god there's proof)

Yjh puts on a 'cool' face when he's been caught or called out after trying to be sneaky (he's SO BAD at being sneaky istg I love this man so much)

He sometimes uses his skills for stupid and petty shit *said lovingly with heart eyes*

He's more likely to give someone/an NPC a quick death than to make them suffer until they die

He always goes along with KDJ's plans, even though Kdj barely tells him ANYTHING about them ever 😭 He glares but still goes along with them I NEED Y'ALL TO UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS- /lh

He drags his sword on the ground when he's happy/satisfied with something, or generally in a good mood. Also Loves to clean his sword (I think the webtoon added a scene of him cleaning the sword like. once)

He loves his sister more than anything (we haven't seen a lot of scenes with yoo mia AND yjh in the webtoon yet but I have high expectations for those knowing how much he adores her in the novel)

Mans RUNS to help every time kdj is in danger, unless he genuinely thinks kdj 1) can handle the situation himself or 2) deserves the punishment

He has MONOLOGUES in his head even though he only ever says like two sentences thakrhsjfjb, and is very eloquent when given the chance to explain his thought process/reasoning

[which kdj rarely lets him do. bc he's hellbent on doing the talking and most other characters don't expect yjh to talk anyway]

The hand holding scene that was turned into a weird wrist holding scene? Yes originally they held hands (he wasn't as angry then either)

He's a serial texter and will spam message people

He loves dumplings

He gets jealous when other people monopolize Dokja's attention for too long (also canon, ex: Sangah, [redacted 1], sometimes han sooyoung, [redacted 2], [redacted 3] 💀 and WILL glare at Kdj or demand answers depending on how severe the transgression is)

He's tired. So, so tired.

HE CAN LAUGH

he doesn't let Han Sooyoung live out of pride/not wanting to lose to kdj (???? what even was that). he lets her live because he doesn't want kdj to think poorly of him / alternatively he doesn't want to lose him as an ally. Not everything is about pride with him 🫠

he looks embarrassed after hearing yoo mia tell him he looks "happy when you talk about [kdj]". the narration also gives her statement some credibility, because "she knows him well since she's his sister". but of course they made him look angry instead of embarrassed 🙄 bc god forbid he shows any other facial expression ever

He's nosy (again: said lovingly with heart eyes). You'll notice how even when he pretends not to care, he'll still stick around to see how things develop/gather info on 'important' stuff. If he's not interested, he'll just leave, bc he's the kind of guy to just do that. So if he doesn't leave, even if he's pretending not to care... you see where I'm going with this

He has a sense of humor, believe it or not (though most of the time he's hilarious without meaning to)

When [redacted] asked yoo joonghyuk what his deal was with kdj and why he wanted him in his group he said "kdj is necessary for this world. I need him." but webtoon decided to skip that line 🫠

Yjh says "I guess your mother doesn't like me" instead of this "like mother like son" bullshit, because the second one implies dokja doesn't like him. which couldn't be farther from the truth

Yoo Joonghyuk actually looks distraught when he realizes he's the one that has to kill kdj. To the point kdj has to tell him to not make that face.

He holds him tenderly as kdj falls, and tries to hang onto him as he's dragged away.

I'd add more but the rest is spoilers fhajhrjeka so yeah I'll just wait to see what webtoon does first and I'll update this as they go [DISCONTINUED]

[orphiclovers]

Shin Yoosung was an ipad baby confirmed. She keeps seeing the world in terms of comic book characters and youtubers, the same way Kim Dokja sees the world in terms of tropes and cliches...the REAL theme of ORV is what growing up chronically online and having unrestricted internet access does to a mf

[lee-hakhyun]

chapter 759

lhh panics.

"should we buy a cage for now?" "does the 'dokkaebi bag' have that?" "why don't you ask bihyung?" "what about a leash too?" "what kind of dog is ahjussi?"

orv is still erroring out. he can't cancel his skill. yoo joonghyuk is STILL holding him and staring at him with a strange gaze. he starts to think he'll really be locked up.

ysa finally decides to calm everything down and tells the group to stop playing jokes.

lsh, walking in with an animal cage: we were joking?

he's asked a question, but in his current form he can't talk. a system is set up: he'll blink once for 'yes', and twice for 'no'. each person will ask one question, and lee gilyoung goes first.

"dokja hyung... it's you, right?"

the most important question. is he kim dokja?

he blinks. three times.

it's true, and not true. he is kim dokja, but he is also not kim dokja. kimcom accepts the reply in their own way. lsh then warns that lhh's condition is off. orv 3 is unstable. it's only natural that it would be, as crossing worldlines is normally impossible. yoosung pleads for him to stay. she knows he has a place to go back to, that he has people who need him. but them, too... she chokes up and can't continue. but as he's demon king of salvation right now, and his incarnation's voice was clear.

「we need ahjussi too.」

by lee seolhwa's estimate, lhh has around 5 minutes left. everyone steps back, letting shin yoosung ask the last question. she asks why he came here. it's a question he can't answer. ysa hugs shin yoosung and rephrases the question.

"did you miss us?"

shin yoosung looks up then. maybe this was the question she really wanted to ask. lee hakhyun decides to think as kim dokja.

he looks at kim dokja's company. shin yoosung, lee gilyoung, yoo sangah, lee jihye, yoo joonghyuk... and even han sooyoung, who wasn't there. he wanted to remember their faces. like taking a picture, he slowly blinks.

tears well up in shin yoosung's eyes, and the rest of the group have similar reactions. yoo joonghyuk is still looking at him with that same strange gaze. ysa moves close to him, and whispers something that only he could hear.

"we know. dokja-ssi isn't the 'kim dokja' we remember."

"even so, we still think dokja-ssi is dokja-ssi. no one can deny that."

yoo sangah then moves back, and speaks again in a voice everyone can hear.

she says that he can stay here, if he wants. they can provide the probability for it. and they can help the 41st round. the rest of them start to speak up, and as they talk, the story of <kim dokja's company> begins to speak.

lee hakhyun can see the space between the lines. the part of kim dokja's company that was never shown. several from kimcom were not here. and yet they didn't blame him. they were saying it was fine for him to stay on top of the lines they had created. is his own story really that important? maybe han sooyoung was right when she said he wasn't qualified to write of the 41st round. it already has an ending, and it can't be changed. he could spend the rest of his life here, for kim dokja's company, who would be comforted just by him being here—

on the screen, he hears the voice of the 41st yoo joonghyuk.

even as lee hakhyun is here, the 41st round's yoo joonghyuk continued moving forward. toward the end of a story that would end in failure.

seeing him, he finally understood why kim dokja had not stayed in the 1863rd round.

shin yoosung desperately asks if he would stay. but all he sees is darkness, as she has covered his eyes. she tells him not to answer.

in the darkness, he hears yoo joonghyuk's voice.

"listen, kim dokja. regardless of the story you want, we will continue to create the ending we want. and you cannot stop us."

with a spark, orv starts to release. lgy helps the crying sys, and ysa thanks him for coming. seeing kimcom, he's convinced yet again.

kim dokja would have wanted to come back to them no matter what.

so why didn't he? what forced him to leave the people he loved most?

as his conscious fades, he hears a voice.

【do you really want to know?】

he could instinctively feel it. he knows the owner of that voice.

【even if that truth could ruin you forever?】

[vitya3]

*slight orv spoilers and angst

Hm I woke up a bit late today. What's with all the noise in the house?

After a quick wash, I decided to go down the stairs to get some breakfast.

"Hey ahjussi! You got up pretty late today."

Jihye seems to be energetic as usual, shouldn't she be in her morning class by now? Whatever, he's getting a bit hungry, maybe Jonghyuk cooked something today.

Thinking about that is raising my appetite.

Oh. Hyunsung and Jeewon don't seem to be in the house? Maybe he took her to the new museum that opened up downtown. Something related to the relics of the past scenarios?

Just then I see the two teenagers running up to me. Ready to greet me like always. They really are a pair of cute little menaces.

"Hyung! Good Morning!" Gilyoung seems to be getting pretty tall, he's almost around my height now.

"Hyung, I wanted to show you my homework, can you look at it again? Please.."

Haha Shin Yoosung definitely knows that I'm not too good at that but she still always asks me for help. I think I don't have anything up today? I'll help her in a bit.

Oh, Jonghyuk seems to be done with the breakfast too? That smell is no joke. He really outdoes himself everytime.

Even when we want to divide the chores, for some reason he always insists on cooking, saying that his meals are more nutritious.

He turns around just on cue and greets him with a small nod. I smile and nod back. He places a plate of sweet pancakes. Just my favourite, how does he know all my preferences?

With Yoo Jonghyuk looking at me to make sure I start eating, I thought I should say thanks for the meal and his hard work.

But for some reason....nothing seems to be coming out of my mouth.

"Kim Dokja, what is it?"

I want to reply that it's nothing. Maybe just a sore throat. But the words don't make it out of my mouth.

Huh? Why? If I don't reply won't Yoo Jonghyuk get offended and beat me up? I need to say something.

I mean, I should be able to say something.

Shouldn't I?

"Hyung?" Shin Yoosung was starting to look worried now. With me staring into space with a strained expression.

I feel a headache coming. Why? Why is everything so familiar? Why do I feel so weird?

I don't remember feeling like this before. I usually eat the food Jonghyuk made, play with the kids and then go out and get some sunlight just like Han Sooyoung recommended. This is my routine, just like normal.

"Hyung, why are you crying?!" Gilyoung seems like he wants to cry. I don't want to see him sad. Don't be sad.

Jonghyuk is clenching his fists pretty hard. He looks like he wants to punch me.

Somehow I want to cry and laugh at the same time. This bastard.

.

.

.

"-okja! Kim Dokja"

I startled awake. Oh yes, ofcourse.

"Yeah sorry about that. I guess I fell asleep for a moment"

The fourth wall asks 'are you okay? You seem sad'

I reply, looking ahead. And as always all I see is an empty compartment. With stars all around, it looks so vast. When will we reach our destination?

"It was a happy dream afterall. I have no reason to be sad."

Yeah. This train has no end. This is my eternity.

[7clubs]

ORV EPILOGUE SPOILERS.

Okay so I made a random ramble thread on twitter about my ORV Epilogue headcanons/interpretations and it's become apparent to me that. Uh. My perspective is somewhat unique so here:

ORV Epilogue is a huge callback to the Disaster of Floods, and a certified Disconnected Film Theory™ moment.

When the system starts to regain power and reactivate, one of the first things said (by HSY), as the stories start to reform is "Disconnected film theory?!" and my IMMEDIATE thought was this:

This phenomenon was activated because we, aka a Kim Dokja of a different timeline, have met him through our reading of the story, and through this, KDJ regains his memories. The parts of ourselves that came directly from KDJ such as loving this story and the characters, or perhaps our own "memories" of him that were formed by the act of reading ORV.

Because why else mention DFT specifically? The fact that the systems have restarted and the storytelling is continuing were enough to signal that Kimcom's efforts could have worked, that they've successfully gotten the story out, and KDJ's fragments to wish for his return...

But DFT being mentioned naturally made me think back to its introduction, where it is most prominently utilized: the Disaster of Floods, where the two Shin Yoosungs started to have their memories, their 'films' mixed up...

Kim Dokja used his First Person POV skill at this point, and viewed the world through 41st Shin Yoosung's eyes.

DFT's initial stake in this scenario is that it's there so that, when active, if you killed one timeline's version of a character, the other one would also die, thus the party's dilemma as to whether to spare the child Yoosung. And later on, it activates when he meets the Oldest Dream...

But THIS film-related memory-fuckery also stuck out to me. Not only that... I feel like it might be implied that this happens because of an outside force: Kim Dokja.

Are you still with me. Okay. Two more things:

Why call back to the Disaster of Floods? If not to also remember how, in this scenario, the wishes of the Constellations [thus, readers] wrote the ending?

Aren't we, the reader, a fragment of Kim Dokja, the outside force in this situation?

Haven't we been using the same skill as Kim Dokja the entire time?

also, Disaster of Floods happens relatively early on, so it just scratches my story structure itch if it comes back as a bookend.

tl;dr basically. We brought him back. And we gave him back his memories.

Through the combination of 1. our imagination, our wish for KDJ to wake up, and 2. our own memories entangling with KDJ's through disconnected film theory.

DFT, in turn, activated because 1. we are him from a different timeline and 2. met him through the story that 3. kimcom busted their ass to deliver to us <3

[serialadoptersbracket]

Round 5, Match 2: Gintoki Sakata vs. Kim Dokja

Submitted kids:

Gintoki Sakata: Kagura and Shinpachi Shimura, his own de aged mentor Shouyou, Hashida Kanshichirou, and Seita

Kim Dokja: Lee Gilyoung and Shin Yoosung are the commonly accepted ones but you can also make a case for Lee Jihye and Biyoo

Propaganda under the cut!

Gintoki Sakata:

1. “Gintoki is introduced to us as a depressed twenty seven year old dealing with ptsd who first adopts Shinpachi after protecting him from Amanto (aliens, who have somewhat taken over earth) who were harassing him, which led to Shinpachi losing his job, and Gintoki having to help him rescue his sister Otae from the family’s debtors. Shinpachi comes to work for Gintoki as Odd Jobs, soon joined by Kagura (an amanto herself with super strength who was working as part of gang prior to Shinpachi and Gintoki helping her leave) Kagura leaves in his house and later Gintoki allows her to get a pet dog. It’s made clear that these three are a family and more than a few episodes make it clear that Kagura seems Gintoki as her earth father (her bio dad, the strongest man in the universe, goes around the galaxy fighting monsters) and Shinpachi feels a familial connection to him as well. There’s also Hashida, a baby who looks a lot like Gintoki, whom Gintoki takes care of when the custody battle over Hashida becomes an actual battle. This includes drinking together, tying the baby to his back while fighting his way to Hashida’s mom, and Hashida crying when Gintoki leaves, after promising they’ll share a drink when Hashida is older. In a similar vein is Seita, a street kid who tries to pickpocket Gintoki but gets robbed in return and ends up working for Gintoki’s landlady (Gintoki’s own adoptive mother) and being taken care of by her and the odd jobs family as a whole, before Gintoki discovers Seita’s mother is Hinowa, the Sun of Yoshiwara and its highest ranking courtesan, and fights Housen, a crime lord who fought Kagura’s father for three days and nights until they considered it a draw, and kills him, just so Seita and Hinowa can reunite. During the timeskip late in the series, we discover after seemingly defeating the Big Bad Utsuro (an immortal who formerly was Gintoki’s adoptive father and teacher Shouyou) Gintoki spent two years raising the reincarnated Shouyou as a baby, before being given his heart to prevent Utsuro’s followers from taking it. These are just the most notable examples, pretty much any character younger than Gintoki gets taken care of or helped by him in a way, including Kagura’s older brother, temporary member of Odd Jobs Pirako, and even to an extent youngest Shinsengumi member Okita Sougo. Gintoki is positioned as acting as the same adoptive parent role as his own adopters (Shouyou and his landlady Otose) are, taking on similar burdens and making, or trying to make) similar sacrifices as well. He can be really soft with kids at times, and has at least once carried Kagura and Shinpachi away from a fight on his back.”

2. “#hell adopt your unorphaned kid hell adopt your dad hell adopt his own deaged mentor!!!”

Kim Dokja:

1. “In the first scenario (where you have to murder something alive) his first priority is to make sure Gilyoung makes it out alive (by giving him the grasshopper before letting others know about it), and when the future version of Yoosung (41st round) is going to cause havoc his first plan is to basically the past (his present) version of her so they would have her on her side (he takes her in as his incarnation- if that isn’t an adoption idk what is); Biyoo is literally the soul of 41st Yoosung that he WENT THROUGH AN UNDERWORLD TRIAL to get her back and she is legally his child. Lee Jihye is more like the older sister-teenager of the group be she’s still adopted by association and Han Donghoon is a kid who was hypnotized and exploited by the ‘prophets’ and Kim Dokja saved him and became someone he trusts in- which is basically adopting. Mia is YJH’s little sister but with the family dynamic all of KimCom has she’s basically adopted too. This man is someone who believes the worst in himself but gives all these kids someone they need and in return they are the family he’s never had.”

2. “He saved Lee Gilyoung on the subway when he was orphaned at the time the apocalypse started even when he didn't need to and kept him by his side and fed him at his own expense and believed in him and taught him to be strong when no one else had really done that for Lee Gilyoung before.

MINOR SPOILERS AHEAD (pretty vague):

Shin Yoosung was a character in the world of the apocalypse that occured (long story, won't explain here lol) and she was supposed to be destined to become a monster that would destroy Seoul and the two people other than Kim Dokja who knew this wanted to kill her when they found her to prevent her from becoming that but Kim Dokja refused to kill her and physically stood to protect her and then he later became her sponsor (uhhh it's a whole thing in-universe but basically pledged to back her and help her ig) and the stigma (a special power thing that can be gained through a sponsor) he gave her was based in him protecting everyone in their group and his love for all of them.

Both Shin Yoosung and Lee Gilyoung are extremely attached to Kim Dokja and have on at least one canon occasion slept clinging to either side of him.

LESS MINOR SPOILERS AHEAD (though not terrible ig and still mostly vague at least):

Biyoo is. well she's Shin Yoosung actually but also not. So basically y'know that monster future Shin Yoosung was destined to become? so that monster version of her from a different timeline was sent backwards and sideways in time (idk how else to describe it jskdfs) and nearly did destroy Seoul as prophesied but Kim Dokja tried to save her—and he nearly did but then a shitty dokkaebi (they're like admin streamer people. idk would take a while to explain) did a shitty thing and forced her to be 'evil' and then she had to be killed ;-; but Kim Dokja promised to get revenge for her and after that he went and beat up the asshole dokkaebi who did that so badly that he gained a legendary Story. And then he traveled to the Underworld at risk of his own life to retrieve her soul and put that into a dokkaebi egg that he personally hatched. And she lost her memories for the most part but could still sense a bit what he'd done for her :') and so yeah she became Biyoo and is somehow both adopted and originally parented(?? idk saying biologically is. doesn't feel quite right lol) by him.”

3. “Bro is THE DAD of the group”

4. “Adopted his kids so hard that they’d do like anything for him they love him so much”

[shin-yoosungs]

hi! im shin yoosung.. everyone else was making these things, so i thought id have one too!

im not really the best with talking, but.. feel free to talk with me if you want!

//HELLO HELLO !! yes it is i, the same mod from @kim-dokjas . sys is one of my faves so i wanted to make this blog :3 i was a webtoon reader but im slowly getting through the novel, so no big spoilers from the end of the novel please! although i do know a few spoilers but not all of it. you can call me mod amia! since sys is obviously a minor i would ask for no nsfw/suggestive things on this blog! other than that, have fun!

tags list:

#sys answers ; for asks

#sys responds ; for reblogs/rp

#sys thoughts ; for random yapping posts

#a constellation ; all ooc posts

[unluckilyimnot]

Hey! If it’s okay with you, can o request Shin Yoosung and Jung Heewon (platonic) x reader headcanons where both of them see reader was an older sibling?

Reader as their older siblings

Shin Yoosung, Lee Jihye

fluff

Hi ! ofc i can lslsl I wasn't expecting anythin regading orv to be honest, I was just thinking about putting all the things i want to point out on the same masterlist if people wanted to hear about it but I'm so happy someone requested something. Thank you so much i love you

Shin Yoosung

poor baby, people has been so harsh with her she deserves the world

you know what she’s been through, Dokja mentioned it a little to you, for you to look after her when he’s gone as well as Gilyoung

her who doesn’t necessarily trust adults beside Dokja, tends to turn to you a lot at any given chance and when she feels like she needs help

it doesn’t have to be serious, in between the scenarios it’s taking care of her hair at the same time as yours, making sure she’s eating enough or getting enough sleep

and during or after scenarios, it’s taking care of her and her possible wounds before yours, making sure she’s safe and sound before your own health

it doesn’t take much time for her to see you as an older siblings

plus, there're things she can’t talk about with Dokja, or that just feels simpler if you talk about it with someone external – since her relationship with Dokja is special

you’re very clever, warm and she knows she can ask you anything

she tends to fall asleep next to/on you from time to time

honestly if your life is in danger she would never get over it, hurting herself into thinking she should’ve done better

now she knows she can help and protect herself, as well as other, yet she also knows that people will get mad and put their life on the line for her and it’s a comforting feeling she would not feel in another universe

Lee Jihye

you’re one of those that reminds her that she deserves to live and to keep going on when remorse started to get the best of her and when she doubt herself

she’s a teenager, she needs someone to get her on a deeper level and you try your best to do so, respecting her boundaries but always checking on her

I think that you showing her the respect she deserves from the start helps it a lot

To the point that she can joke around like a normal teenager with you easily

you order her to sleep because she tends to forget it I think

as long as she wants to treat you like a bro, you allow it, and act the same, the second she flinches and needs an older figure to stand instead of her you’re there too

she looks out for you as well, she can’t accept it if it’s one sided. If you risk your life for her, she will risk her own to save and protect you too

She's still young, and you think adults should take care of certains things instead of them. Deep down you wish you could do all the hard work for her or even the other younger ones

she probably wished she had someone like a siblings to lean on when she’s down, and even before all of that, and she’s glad to see your smile everyday since this hell started

I'm so happy to write anything about orv. Feel free to just talk to me about it, it will be a pleasure ! I'm a great enthusiastic of yoohankim of someone need to know 👀

I hope you liked it ♡

[curapicas]

Kim Dokja is so funny for noticing twsa's Shin Yoosung fought with Yoo Mia for Yoo Junghyuk's attention

but still not connecting the dots when Shin Yoosung started doing the same after Lee Gilyoung hugged him

[auuwmk]

Fuck this, i got nothing better to do so here is a list people who has the same fucking side hair parting or whatever the term is in orv webtoon:

Yoo Joonghyuk

Yoo Mia

Shin Yoosung (1)

41st Shin Yoosung (2)

Anna Croft (3)

Selena Kim

Reinheit von Djerba (4)

Lee Sookyung

Lee Sungkook

Asuka Ren

Lee Seolhwa

Jeon Ildo

Min Jiwon

Cheon Inho (5)

Cho Youngran

Kang Ilhun

Lee Hakhyun, he counts in my heart (6)

[metanarrates]

hey. interesting innit. that the version of yjh that yjh must surpass. in the scenario where anna croft previously betrayed him. when he's considering betraying kdj in the same manner (albeit for entirely different reasons.) is the 41st round yjh. the one that betrayed shin yoosung and made her wander in a labyrinth until she was eventually sent to the past.