1/? Okay but that line “I would never fall for you” applied to obikin Is so so delicious. Idk, some au where anakin grows up resenting obiwan for some reason. Maybe some sort of misunderstanding that never gets resolved & anakin just holds onto that grudge. But over time his reason for hating Obi-wan gets weaker & weaker until at some point he realizes he doesn’t actually hate him & it’s just a matter of pride at this point/he’s made a point of being enemies with him for so long he doesn’t know
2/? how to stop without embarrassing himself. Anyway maybe on a night out with a mutual group of friends anakin finds himself involved in a debate about the type of person he’d fall in love with & Obi-wan makes a joke about how anakin just described him & that’s anakin’s response! Except as he says it he realizes he’s actually fucked up and gone and fallen in love with Obi-wan but Obi-wan thinks anakin HATEs him and yeah. Just love Obi-wan being his charming flirty self versus anakin having to
3/3 pretend he isn’t affected by Obi-wan’s charm & handsomeness. Fond, teasing Obi-wan meets pouty, sullen anakin who always has to act aloof in his presence
oooooohohohoho i love this!!
this makes more sense to me in a modern au tbh so i was thinking that they're neighbours or obi-wan is a family friend or they've known each other otherwise for a long time. and when teenage anakin finds out that obi-wan is quite popular with people, he just sort of scrunches his nose and very confidently in his teenaged arrogance tells him that he would never fall for him. obi-wan barely even snorts because it's not like some bratty teens opinion on that matters much to him and plus, he pities the person who will possibly, some way down the line, fall in love with anakin who is whiny, arrogant and awkward on a good day.
cue several years down the line, anakin is now in his twenties, he's matured (a bit skskks) and he's a catch, thank you, regardless of what obi-wan other people say. it's only a bit unfortunate that he's developed a huge crush on obi-wan between then and now. obi-wan's gone on to become a professor at the college anakin's ended up studying at and anakin had taken a class or two of his. and well, the first one of obi-wan's classes was a mandated one and anakin had grumped and bitched about it all the way until the first session (which is when he found that it's not actually terrible and that obi-wan is very easy to listen to). and over the span of the semester, something had sparked in him, something had shifted, something felt different but anakin being anakin refused to even consider that obi-wan could be hot.
except, well, they do see each other outside of class regularly as well. and because anakin befriends aayla who is friends with/being mentored by quinlan who is friends with obi-wan, anakin ends up seeing him even more than before. and it's then that anakin sees obi-wan flirting with other people, being charming, being, well, obi-wan.
it's not just a crush, of course. and over the course of anakin's undergrad, he gets closer to obi-wan in new ways. obi-wan helps him when anakin is frustrated with his studies or struggles finding friends or needs a few kind words and encouragement or stresses about something that he thinks he can't talk with anyone else about. and, he realizes, it's not even that obi-wan is suddenly different than before. he's kind and patient, he offers advice and support, but he doesn't coddle. he's firm and straightforward and never lets anakin stew in his self-pity.
and then anakin makes the mistake of taking an elective class with obi-wan. anakin doesn't pay much attention to it's course content, he just wants to be in another one of obi-wan's classes and wants to sit and listen to him teach, moon over him, and just watch him being passionate and competent and obi-wan. except the class turns out to be something about sex and eroticism in poetry or something, so anakin has to sit through a whole semester listening to obi-wan talk (and read) about that. it awakens one thing or two in anakin. he hands in his final paper beet red. obi-wan smirks only a little.
anyway, yeah, they're out one night and they somehow get to arguing about what type of person each of them would fall for, and when anakin argues his own case, obi-wan snorts a little and quinlan howls with laughter and imitates arrows pointing at obi-wan being like, hi hey that's this guy. but anakin has his pride, okay, and he remembers that conversation from years ago and how obi-wan had been so unimpressed. he's convinced obi-wan would laugh in his face if he knew about anakin's feelings. but that's beside the point. anakin has his pride. so, he, again, stupidly, says "i wouldn't fall for you" except he already did and obi-wan smiles wryly and answers, "yes, so you've said"
MEANWHILE obi-wan is working through massive amounts of guilt over falling in love with this loud-mouthed brat that used to irritate him to no end (and still does, even) and that he watched grow up. and he has his pride, too, a little. (it's mostly the guilt tho.) but he can't admit that he's pathetically fallen in love with this bright eyed kid when not that long ago he felt pity towards whoever would develop feelings for anakin skywalker. joke's definitely on him. and then anakin just goes and describes obi-wan as his ideal partner but reiterates that of course it's not obi-wan.
but then they eventually get around to who would be the type of person obi-wan would fall for. quinlan is smirking like a shark, and well, obi-wan realizes he does seem to have a type and that type being contrary, argumentative, bratty, insufferable, keeping him on his toes and occasionally giving him headaches but passionate, loyal, ingenious and earnest. he lists those attributes and shrugs, joking about how he's had partners like this and he values these traits but yet he couldn't make any of the relationships work. and quinlan quips lightly how there's one person right in front of him who he hasn't tried with. obi-wan doesn't kick him in the shin and he doesn't flee, exactly, but he does decide to leave then and orders quinlan that one obscenely expensive and equally disgusting drink that they serve at the bar before before he does.
anakin just sort of scowls through the whole thing, blinking, watching obi-wan avoid his eyes and ducking out of the booth, while something in his own head blinks red lights at him. and he sits with it for a little, feeling like he missed part of that conversation, and it isn't until he's on his way home with aayla that a persistent, giddy, hopeful part of him breaks through and urges him to go see obi-wan and find out what that was all about.
when obi-wan opens his door, there's a strange look on his face; a weird mix of surprise, hope and defensiveness, maybe, something wary and tired and yearning.
but instead of asking, what does it mean, or any of the other things anakin had come to ask about, he rushes in and kisses obi-wan. and for a split second, nothing happens and his anxiety is just about to ratchet up, when obi-wan grips him and kisses back. the surge of relief and joy is huge.
between kisses anakin tells him, "i would fall for you. i did," and punctuates it by pressing closer still, kissing obi-wan eagerly, sloppily, full of enthusiasm and pent up horniness, and obi-wan groans and kisses him back deeper, biting and nipping, losing himself in the intoxicating feeling of having anakin in his arms.
but then anakin pulls back and asks, "did you...did you, too?" and he looks so bashful despite the spit slick, swollen lips. obi-wan wants to eat him, so he dives back in but anakin leans back, blinking huge eyes at him, and there's a subtle smirk on his face.
"yes, i did," obi-wan says, fondly, so affection, but he can't help the eye roll, "you insufferable brat."
and anakin's smirk grows wider. "so you've said," he says before pulling obi-wan back in for more kisses.
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how do you clone a fey? that's trick question; and fey love those!
@the-navistar-carol (<333) brought up a good point while I was talking about my changeling danny au with her -- Dani! How would she exist in this au? Danny's a changeling - a fae. How would Dani, a clone of him, be created? How do you make a fey? Not through any means that Vlad is doing; you can't make a fey through unnatural means, considering the Fair Folk are nature. And Vlad's not a fey himself -- he's a halfa, even if he could make a fey, it's not in his best interest too. He's a powerful ghost, but even the weakest fae can overpower the strongest ghost. He won't want a clone of Daniel to be more powerful than him.
(In a three tier hierarchy it goes Ancients -> Fae/Mythos -> Ghosts. They all live in the Infinite Realms, but on different Planes. The fae live above the Ghost Zone in the Fey Wild, while the Mythos live beside the Wilds or down in the ghost zone depending on where they are. Places like the Frozone, the Athens Acropolis, and other such large islands climb throughout all three Planes.)
(While Ghosts can travel into the Fey Wild, its generally advised against as the ectoplasm tends to manifest differently there due to close contact magic. It can make it rather disorientating for a ghost, and as human spirits, the Fae living there would jump them faster than they could blink. So unless you're willing to play mind games with 'steal thy name eat thy face' fae, most ghosts keep out of the way of the Wilds. Fey can travel down into the Ghost Zone, they just don't bother.)
That's of course, not taking into account if Vlad even knows Danny's a fae himself. Vlad doesn't ring me as someone who really cares much about ghost culture or the going ons of the GZ. He might be aware that fae exist, but the moment he realizes he can't use them for personal gain he just doesn't bother with them. The risk is greater than the reward, and he'd rather not get eaten. But lets assume he's aware by now that Danny is fey, and has to take that into account while cloning him.
So, how does Dani exist? Good question! Honestly; i'm not sure. She might not exist at all, or if she does, she's more halfa than fey. Vlad would need a lot of human dna and ectoplasm to balance out all that fae magic. He manages to steal DNA from Jack and Maddie to do it, and since Jack's fey ancestry is very dormant its much easier to use alongside Danny's DNA.
In turn, it results in a little girl whose more human-ghost hybrid than clone. With that little extra boost in fey magic making her not a fey, but still relatively powerful. Dani is less of a clone and more of a lab-grown little sister. It's a rather tedious, complex process that has Vlad tearing his hair out trying to figure out. But he does eventually figure it out.
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Okay I might just be reading too much into this. But while I was watching the episode *cough cough* procrastinating *cough cough I realised that they don't show how the Doctor and Ruby got there.
And I know that it's probably just meant to be vaguely like 'they just went for fun'.
BUT this is the third episode in a row where we haven't seen them arrive. And for 73 yards it was clearly a doctor who episode when it started but it immediately gets rid of the doctor. ( I know that for 73 yards and for dot and bubble it was because Ncuti Gatwa was filming other stuff but let me cook) In Dot and Bubble you could effectively be forgiven for assuming that it was a random Black Mirror episode or something similar until the Doctor turns up, and tbh if you were just flicking through channels and haven't been watching Doctor Who you could probably basically not know for much longer. In Rogue they are just there, except for the title screen (the same for dot and bubble) you could basically watch it as a Bridgerton episode until the Chuldur turn up.
(And there's whole other rant about how the Chuldur fits into the theory about this basically being a TV show within a TV show, I don't know the name for this theory)
But anyway these episodes are increasingly separated from the Doctor and Ruby as plot points particularly in the beginning of episodes. They are more and more like an excuse to tell the story or explore the topic that the writers want to explore. Which isn't totally different from the occasional episode of previous series, but this is a lot more in my memory at least from previous series. So it feels a lot like they are skimming over the more sci-fi doctor who elements. Which fits in in my mind to the idea that the 'One who waits' is a representation of story telling. I've seen theories that it's Ruby but she doesn't know it which makes sense, I think it would also make sense for it to be her parent(s) who left her, or alternatively just it's own thing all together. But it feels very like that bit where Amy is living a life and starts to realise it's all fake.
The narrowing down of these episodes into not showing them arriving, and at least in Rogue - I can't remember in the others - not showing them leaving the story, feels very different.
It feels more and more like story telling. They have covered fairy tales, Period pieces/Romance, Dystopia, War/SciFi, Musicals, Political Drama. They are also showing the doctor playing his role, something that we see companions doing often enough but we seldom see the doctor doing it.
In Space Babies he is scared of a new creature. In the Devil's Code he sings a song that makes little sense in the story, he doesn't question the road making noise. In Boom he's more himself but it's also the closes to his 'normal' environment. In 73 Yards they just fully remove him from the story, which I realise was done for filming requirements but would have been so interesting to see the doctor in a Political drama. In Dot and Bubble he plays the role of the outsider bringing information to those living under a Dystopia, how is he UNABLE to access the inside, sure he plays a role that's fairly similar to himself but Doctor Who is really Dystopian.
In Rogue he is becoming more and more his role, he is playing the role of a sort of Elizabeth Bennet style character, a strong romantic interest for the brooding man. Which is great, he makes fun of the genre, but he is hyper aware of the genre and still ends up in its pitfalls. He trusts a man so quickly he ends up handing over his sonic, he gets proposed to and basically immediately accepts. Now I am really hoping that Rogue gets to stay around I really liked him as a character, regardless of which theory of his identity if any are true. But the Doctors reaction to him is still a little out of character, he is feeling what he is SUPPOSED to feel and he is acting how he is SUPPOSED to act.
It just feels to me like an increasing number of these episodes are more and more story like and more and more separated from the more Doctor Who elements. And the lack of an introduction of how they get there, and the lack of them leaving in the TARDIS is so unusual to me and stands out to my brain so much.
It feels like they are removing elements that don't fit the genre.
Anyway not sure if that makes any sense but I'm vibing with it.
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"the only reason Harley's called Harley Quinn and not Harleen Quinzel or some other moniker is because the Joker manipulated her into thinking the similarity in her name and the name of a specific type of clown meant they were destined to be together and that means she's intrinsically tied to him forever and can't exist as a character on her own because her origin is tied to him" ass take has gotta be the worst one I've seen as of late,,, like really can't lie it's stuck in my head lol 😭
i wish i could go about life misunderstanding characters this much and thinking that one who's been a canonical domestic abuse victim since her og origin episode / comic, who is partly (story wise) inspired by a real life dv victim who survived
In the afterword, artist Bruce Timm shares that their Harley was based in part on a real-life friend who was stuck in an abusive relationship: “I’m happy to report that the ‘real-life Harley’ did finally break away from her ‘Joker’ and has been happily married to another man for several years now.”
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is a character who's "girlbossified" when she's allowed to grow past and outside of her abuser himself,, and that that means idk writing her without him dilutes her character and takes away everything interesting and flawed about her? that she should never be written without him / without her world revolving around him, due to him being the catalyst in her origin?
The Joker's part of her origin because he was the root cause of her fall, the villain, the bad guy, the abuser. that doesn't mean she's required to be forever tied to him?
This isn't even a problem in the actual comics or anything. It's just absolutely 100% not.
No one even pretends Joker isn't intrinsically tied to her story, or more specifically her trauma. No one in real life and no one in their universe.
Tim Drake literally mentioned The Joker in like the last chapter of her (2021 - ) comic ffs!!! 😭
"Did the Joker make you want to do that? Do you wanna unpack that, Harley? Do you wanna talk about The Joker?!"
Harley Quinn (2021-) #42
But it's almost like people grow and heal and evolve. Her codependency and shit are flaws that are not permanent and are things she (can) and is working on.
She's riddled with flaws and they've gone nowhere! she's just trying her best to stay afloat and better herself bit by bit because she isn't Dr. Harleen Quinzel anymore, she can never walk into a medical building and apply and expect them to not know who she is upon a singular search in the system.
She's just Harley Quinzel now, she still has the skills and experience and schooling, but she also has a long serious criminal record, severe mental health issues and is living in a city that rightfully does not trust her. She can't go back, she can't get her old life back, and she can't go back to being Her, The OG "New & Improved" Harley Quinn who's world revolved around 1 person and him alone, because she would die.
He'd kill her, maybe not immediately, but he would be the death of her.
And she knows that. It's a lose lose.
The only real option she has is to lay down and die or to survive. To float and swim bit by bit until she finds stable ground.
Until she finds a way to live with herself again.
Harley's "obliviousness" is a coping mechanism that we literally see her dealing with since BTAS.
A warped world view that does in fact make her actions more complex,, and makes the aftermath / come down all the harder for her as she has to grapple with the internal traumatic response to Everything with Joker while also dealing with the world she's waking up to and realizing the real reality of her actions and the actual pain it left behind. It's literally been in her character plain as day since her First Personal Comic from 2000!
It's something taken seriously and something she knows, regardless if she even remembers the crime, that she has a responsibility to take accountability for. She almost lets Clown Hunter execute her because she was involved in his parents death, even though she doesn't remember the night, she trusts Batman enough that if he says she was there, she was. And she's going to own up to being there. She starts a therapy group for ex clowns post Joker War, she's become a (court ordered) professor and during all of these arcs Joker and his influence on her and her life are mentioned and acknowledged and present.
He's not been removed as an intrinsic aspect of her story, but he is no longer the center of her world and that is a good thing.
It's almost like character growth after 30 goddamn years is something that happens.
And! you know who else is intrinsically tied to Harley Quinn's character just as much as The Joker?
Poison Ivy and Batman.
Her three primary connections since the Beginning, since the original series that everyone wants to pretend was so so different about her than it ever was, was Joker, Batman and Ivy.
And a primary goal (Harley wise) for 2/3 people she's been connected to since Batman The Animated Series has literally been to get her away from the 3rd. They've just successfully helped save her in most universes now, even when she's the one who pulls the trigger in the end.
It's been over 4 years since I made this blog and I still cannot wrap my head around this fandom's deep seeded hatred and disdain for actual character development.
"Sorry", but that's just such a disgusting take built on misinformed foundations and idk a personal rage for bad guy characters not being bland, predictable one note entertainment for the rest of their miserable existence in comics until they're shelved for being fucking boring one note d-list characters?
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