#anti pebling

[doomed2repeat]

If you’re honestly saying Debling likes Penelope for who she is when he likes her because he thinks Lady Whistledown herself would be happy on the fringes of society… do YOU know Penelope? Penelope loves society, the right man for her will encourage her to take her place at the center of it, not encourage her to remain in the shadows.

[dollypopup]

FINE, if no one else is gonna say it. . .

it is WEIRD that we as a fandom are so okay with Debling being a 'serious' option for Penelope. She is a 19 year old woman. She is a third daughter from an unpopular family who has no father. This is a 30 year old man, 40, even, who is pursuing a teenager. All the 'oh, he notices her as a woman!'

and none of us are asking why it is that a seemingly 'perfect' guy is out here going for a woman on the outskirts of her society, who most people do not pay attention to? a powerful man with a lot of money and a title pursuing a woman who is largely unnoticed in her world, in a family without a father, who doesn't have, on the surface, any other options? our fandom doesn't talk about how big of a power imbalance they have between them, or even how Penelope is being styled to look extra young in contrast to him?

she looks like his DAUGHTER. He's even styled to be a more mature man in their society. Compare him to the fashions of younger men. Clean shaven, sleeker lines in their fashion,

He is, in fact, most comparable to Will, who is a married man with three children.

Debling legit looks like he could be her father. That is NOT a 20 year old man. That man is in his 30s at best, and in his 40s at worst. Which gives him and Pen a decade or two of age difference. Add on the fact that he's titled and she's a literal teenager, and it just gives me the MAJOR ick.

People are praising the idea that Debling makes Penelope feel like a 'woman' but as someone who has been a 19 year old woman with much older men interested in me (especially a PLUS SIZE 19 year old woman with older men interested in me) claiming I am oh so mature, it's. . .uh, not usually a GOOD thing?

We'll demonize Colin for being a 22 year old man who doesn't see Penelope as a romantic option because for the grand majority of the time he's known her, she's been a minor, but see absolutely nothing wrong with the idea that the production has given her a suitor who is an outsider of their society, who could take her away wherever if she actually agrees to marry him, and now have this 19 year old woman no one is going to really check on to do with as he so pleases? And we're wanting him to. . .what? Make out with her? Take her virginity? Just the thought of that makes me deeply uncomfortable.

We'll talk about the power imbalance between Colin and Penelope, about how he has experience that she doesn't and how that can cause concern, but absolutely NOTHING about the ACTUALLY CONCERNING power imbalance between her and Debling? Colin is 22 and a third son, he and Penelope have known each other for years, he is safe. He would never take advantage of her or lead her astray, he cares about her as a person and then comes to love her and desire her in ways outside of friendship. Debling has known her for less than a month, is likely in his mid thirties, has a title and money and power, and felt okay with feeling up on her in public in an era when holding HANDS was considered scandalous.

Imma need us to give Monopoly Man more smoke because I am confused as to how he's oh so perfect and yet the option he chose for a wife is an unpopular and financially unstable 19 year old woman who is largely ignored in society. None of us find that weird?

Meanwhile, we have Colin who has, yes, held Penelope's hand and called her by her Christian name, but has also complimented her on things that aren't just her appearance, and who has asked how she's been, and tried to help her, and called her his friend, and wrote her letters, and cared about her, and I reiterate, is much much closer to her in age and can relate to her considerably more.

The whole 'oh, well Penelope should sleep with Debling to give her and Colin more even ground' is CREEPY. Colin slept around with sex workers on his travels because that's the regency appropriate safe and responsible way to explore such things for men of his age and status. He is following examples his brothers, whom he trusts and loves deeply, have set for him. He is not exploiting anyone. He is paying for a service and that service is being provided. And he's an attractive man who is young and respectful, these women are FINE, so don't go pearl clutching over how he's being oh so fetishistic just because he's exploring kink. Penelope doing these things with Debling would be HIM taking advantage of HER, and putting her in a very vulnerable and scary position. If that actually happens, what options does she have? He could say he ruined her and that would be game over for her, she has no other choices or options outside of that. And if it's actually true, she is TRAPPED.

I need this fandom to be so serious here right now. You don't ship Pebling. You ship Penelope being seen as desirable, and COLIN finds Penelope desirable. He will make that very VERY evident. We don't need an almost 40 year old man to pursue her and do nothing but compliment how hot she is and feel up on her in public to do that. He doesn't see her as a person, but Colin does. We should be rooting for one of these men, and it's not the one a lot of us are.

[orangepeelshortbreadcookies]

Snorting at Penelope swaying on the dancefloor with Debling over the stringquartet cover of Happier Than Ever, precisely at the lyrics: And I don't talk shit about you on the internet/Never told anyone anything bad . When it's literally all she does.

This has to be comedy right? The show does realise how ridiculous the song choice for this particular scene is?

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I STAND FUCKING CORRECTED AND I WILL ISSUE MR. BRIDGERTON A HAND WRITTEN APOLOGY, THIS WAS NOT A ONE-SIDED BEEF

This edit here has opened my eyes bc I wasn't paying attention to Debling at ALL during this scene. There was an acknowledgement that they both wanted Pen, Debling here thought he was the winner. Debling was the first to interrupt rudely in the middle of a conversation, breaking an important moment, Colin was just more scansalous about it when it came his turn, interrumpting them mid-dancing

The way he looks at Colin both times, I thought he was just polite the first time but nah, he was smug, Colin sweety I'm so sorry I gaslighted you, you kinda had other valid reason to dislike him😭

[colinspens]

The Polin fandom needs to stop putting Debling on a pedestal when we know nothing about this man. I’ve seen horrible takes by “Polin fans” saying Debling will be Penelope’s knight in shining armor and teach Colin how to treat her right. That she needs to be properly courted and romanced before “settling” for Colin. These are the same people who campaigned for Debling and Penelope having sex the SECOND the fake Sun article dropped. There is a fine line between being a Polin fan and a Penelope only fan. You only see Colin as a prize Penelope earns instead of his own person. That’s why as soon as he doesn’t act according to your standards, you start rooting for the other guy. This season is about Penelope AND Colin. I’m tired of his own fans being his biggest haters.

[your3fundamentaltruths]

so, TABE did not prepare me AT ALL for Eloise being a better friend to Penelope during their breakup than she ever was when they were bffs in the first two seasons, lol. I'm so curious about your thoughts on Peneloise and the Cressida of it all and the Eloise-Colin sibling relationship in s3, because I think we had similar thoughts about Eloise in the show post s2, such that I was SHOOK by how much more I liked her in s3.

I think I was still processing when I first saw this ask and I realize it came in after Part 1 but before Part 2, while my thoughts on Eloise in S3 and the related topics you mentioned include both parts:

I appreciated that she kept LW to herself

I was annoyed by how rude she was about Colin's thoughtful gift for her, especially when no one else in the family makes the same effort

I appreciated that she scolded Cressida for messing with Penelope at the four seasons ball

I appreciated the way Cressida called her out multiple times, including for making assumptions about her (admittedly not unreasonable ones) when Eloise's carelessness was the actual reason the gossip about Polin's lessons spread the very same night Colin confided in her ---> I do think this also served to show why it wasn't unreasonable for Pen to think she should not share her secrets with Eloise

I appreciated Colin calling her out for befriending Cressida and for spreading his and Penelope's business (for no good reason)

I appreciated that she called on Penelope to check on her after Penelope reported the story in LW but thought it rather rich of her not to admit that she had a role in the gossip getting out in the first place. Even if she didn't know it to be her own fault entirely at that point, she still was the one who broke her brother's confidence and would have been the one who enabled Cressida to spread gossip.

I did not love that she helped Cressida try and attract Dealing's interest after clearly understanding that Penelope had been looking to marry and it being clear that Debling was Penelope's only option (at that time) after the lessons debacle. (And I say that as someone who is passionately anti-Pebling.)

Also . . . did not love how she shooed Cressida away from the ballon and showed no concern for Pen. (Yes, it was narratively necessary that Pen remain in the way of the balloon, but it would have been nice to see her show a smidge of concern for Pen's physical safety even if she did not/could not do anything about it.)

I understand her being surprised and concerned, even angered, by the Polin engagement, but I was so annoyed with her at the way she handled her LW ultimatum (not only because she drove Penelope to the point of a panic attack but because she also spoiled the evening for Colin), not to mention that wild conspiratorial spiral into thinking Penelope used her to get at Colin. (I say, like a hypocrite LMAO.) That said, I'm glad she didn't pull a TABE Eloise (again, narratively necessary that she not do so, but still).

I would have appreciated some acknowledgement of the fact that she has often not been a particularly kind or caring sister to Colin in the past and this is new territory for her - and that it is to his credit that he has such concern for her and her feelings when that is not reciprocated until this season. (I also wonder if it would have been had there not been the connection to someone she was close to and an issue that had impacted her and on which she had very strong opinions.)

Honestly wanted to reach through the screen when she flippantly tells Penelope that for whatever reason Colin truly believes her loves her. Like why was that necessary?

The fact that after hounding Penelope to tell Colin the truth on her timeline, she talks Penelope out of doing so because she suddenly realizes that it would be hard to tell Colin (and likely selfishly does not want him to know that she knew and did not tell him) kills me. And what kills me even more is the fact that Penelope writing one more column to help fix the mess Eloise has made with a desperate Cressida (which Eloise could have handled so much better) is what leads to Colin discovering the truth Eloise talked her out sharing and that that is the moment (the one time Penelope asks her for help) when Eloise decides to butt out, after spending all season butting in, without at least offering anything in the way of of sympathy or apology or a moment of kindness. Like no wonder Penelope doesn't rely on her? (And isn't that exactly what she did with Cressida, who was practically begging for help and sympathy, landing them in the mess in the first place?)

Did not love that it was so easily dismissed that she befriended Cressida to hurt Pen and at the same time would have wanted to see her need to grapple with the fact that Cressida actually wasn't a bad friend to her and that she was a poor friend to Cressida in some of the ways she was a poor friend to Pen. To be honest, that is part of the growth I had hoped for out of her storyline with Cressida - a realization that Pen's actions and flaws weren't the only issue in their friendship because some of the same issues replicated themselves in her other friendship and that she needs to work on the way she treats others.

TLDR: While this wasn't clearly acknowledged, I think Eloise has a lot of growing to do and the Peneloise resolution did not feel entirely earned so I'm curious to see what they do next with her.

[knottyears]

I'm weak and couldnt stay off Tumblr, also just about to breakdown for no reason again but I guess I'll just vent on a small issue

The ship of bakugo x izuku was never my otp, or at least at first, and very close to being a notp until i began to ask why doesn't izuku hate him?

A question that's perpetuated by izuku praising Bakugou, continuing to call him kacchan, crying out and having a mental break down. Something I'm too familiar with.

But then it keeps going on and on with this weird admiration for someone that supposedly bullied him for all his life? Like what why? Even in my life when in an abusive/unhealthy relationships I wouldn't be happy or love the person who harmed me. At most it be confusing. Just why would you continue to say you love me, praise me, then turn around and belittle me or physically hurt me.

But for izuku it's never been like that.

After speculating on the nature of their relationship, I've deduced, Bakugou is an asshole. Absolutely so. But when growing up he never sought to hurt izuku or use him. From the very start when Izuku wanted to help bakugou, time after time in those flash backs Bkg made it clear he wanted nothing to do with midoriya. Pushing him away and no longer want to be friends or having anything to do with Izuku.

What, though, people have assumed, is that this had keeped going. Izuku following bakugo all the time. Bakugou retaliating with violence cause that all he knows. And it fustrating!

That version of their relationship isn't what we even have in the cannon story. Bakugou even said in the deku v kacchan 1 fight that Izuku was his stalker but that doesn't seem that means izuku was always in bakugou line of sight. Additional comments made was that bakugou never even considered izuku as even a background character to the narrative that would have his story. That Izuku to him was just a peble on the side of the road. Nothing he'd care abt.

In rewatching the earlier eisodes, in the first episode we're in izuku's perspective the complete way thru. We see his challenges and struggles and what he has to overcome.

But let me empathize: that what we're given is what's in those moments.

Those key story beats that get the plot moving. Especially in the first few chapters to reel the reader in.

But going back and re anylizing the first episode, when the class laughs at izuku. Did anyone else noticed that the whole class, even his so called all his life bully bakugou. Didn't know he was planning to go to ua? And that some commented that 'Hes planning on going the hero course? No way!?!' And with finding that out. That brought up the same fears and anxieties he felt when they were children. And wanted to do what he could to push izuku away again. By harsh(horrible) means, but as a stupid, scared kid that reacted with aggression and anger as he's grown up doing.

And there s more evdidence that other have stated as well.

So, The thing is, the relationship between bakugou and izuku is, that at least in the beginning of the show.

To bakugou izuku was nobody. Not a friend, not a target, just another 'extra' like the rest of his classmates. He didn't spend his childhood tormenting Izuku. That never happened in the cannon storyline.

And on Izukus half. Bakugou was this cool person who was unstoppable. Bless with a great quirk, a commanding personality, admires, praise and people who believed in him. Something izuku would have been envious of.

But more than that bakugou was a closer goal he could overcome and would!

To finish this late night ramble I'm just tired of saying they ship bakudeku, even if it's abusive. Cause then I want to scream.

If your head cannon of their relationship is abusive don't ship it. Those I've only mean two people like this and quickly blocked.

And if you come to me saying the ship is abusive because bakugou would abuse izuku, then you have a fucking fault in your head that keeps you from distancing you headcannons from the actual cannon of the story. Met to many people like this and I don't block most of the time but there just some by their insistents have cause me to go into panic attack and went to unhealth copping mech. And I couldn't deal with it anymore.

I hate having to block people, I like to be open to other peoples opinions, but there's a point where it has to stop.

Idk, what do others think? Cause while I want to hear more and still want to see other peoples perspectives including those of antis, there's just no safe way to go abt it.

[doomed2repeat]

The people wishing Penelope hooks up with Debling are purely doing it for their own gratification because if they understood anything about Penelope’s character they’d understand she does not want anyone but Colin. She’s looking at other men out of desperation and necessity. But her only desire is Colin. So you want her to hook up with a guy she doesn’t actually want to get back at the guy she does want so…what? So she can feel empty inside because affection from someone you don’t want will always cancel out into something you don’t want? But you, the viewer can feel like she got even with Colin? So Colin doesn’t have a one up on her with romantic experience? Do you think Penelope will feel good after hooking up with someone who’s not Colin, or are you just thinking about how Colin will feel bad?

[doomed2repeat]

“Colin being a rake is out of character!!!!”

I hate to break it to you, but Penelope entertaining the idea of being with a man other than Colin Bridgerton for even a second is also out of character, and yet here we are.

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You will never catch me rooting for this couple when I know their child will come out looking like Yukon Cornelius.

[dollypopup]

y'all can all cancel me (again) for this, but if there's even a SHRED of 'who should I pick?' from Penelope in season 3, I am tuning out SO fast because like. . .sorry not sorry, there IS no choice. Debling is some crusty OC suitor she barely even knows and Colin is a man who she has been so supposedly in love with to the point where she'd ruin her entire family's reputation to have a potential love story with him. Penelope and Colin have background, years of knowing each other, intimacy that few people in the Ton can boast of having (letters, conversations about purpose, fights and arguments and makeups) and her and Debling have. . .a dance or two at a ball because he's a rebound for Penelope's broken heart. he means nothing. he has no nuance, he has no weight to the story, he is such an afterthought to me. either I wanna see Penelope going 'you know what? I don't even LIKE this dude. he's. . .fine, but I don't care about him even a shred as much as I care about Colin' or the INSTANT Colin's like 'you know what? we should get married' if it's not an immediate 'say less, you're already my husband, try returning me without the receipt, Debling whomst?' then I don't want it!

like. . .it's just so frustrating to see all the 'I hope Debling sweeps her off her feet and she rejects Colin's proposal and she makes him work for it and and and-' nonsense from the fandom and it's always tagged and no matter how many times I block it, it just keeps popping up. I go into the Polin tag for POLIN. I don't give a SHIT about a male love interest other than Colin. Not one. Not a shred. Not an iota.

and also. . .Debling has the 'benefit' of not having depth, or character traits, or HISTORY, so peeps can project onto him however they want, but I'm calling it now, there is NOTHING he could do or be that would make me like him more than Colin. Colin will always hit different, and I will always love him more. and if Pen's not on that same page? lol bye

you want me to believe Penelope and Colin are soulmates and it's romance for her to hem and haw about how difficult a decision it is for her to marry a stranger who knows barely anything about her. . .

when Marina was out here dropping banger lines like 'You were the only man with which I could see myself being happy' and 'I do not care about any of these men, where is Colin?'? like hello??? and she wasn't even fully in love with him!!!! but we'll demonize her until the cows come home in our fandom and make her the villain in Polin's love story for DARING to get in between Polin, yet Debling, a white man, is a darling dear perfect prince for getting in between Polin? existing in our fandom solely so Penelope can be like 'lol, Colin ain't shit, let me entertain any and everyone else'?

if that's the direction it goes then, ten toes down and on my mama, she doesn't deserve Colin and she can move because I'm on my way to court him my damn self

and that's that on that