#anti she hulk

[clarks-letterman]

you’re telling me he got bitches in this

[idieokonkwo]

6 Reasons I Disliked She-hulk (tv show)

1. I didn’t like the way that Jen talks to Bruce. She’s really annoying the whole time and acts like she knows best. Also, she seems to be constantly bragging that she’s better than him because she can control her powers sooner, when it really just means she’s privileged. The TV show doesn’t treat either of these like flaws.

2. Bruce isn’t nice either? He’s been one of the nicer characters in the past, but here he seems to have forgotten that he didn’t always want to be a superhero, and spent time helping get medicine for homeless kids before Avengers or whatever he was doing. He seems to be unwilling to imagine that Jen might not want to be a superhero, when he hasn’t always wanted to be one.

3. OH MY GOD TITANIAS OUTFIT IS THE UGLIEST THING IVE EVER SEEN

4. Why would she turn into a hulk just from a drop of his blood?? Seems super cheesy, a blood transfusion is a MUCH better backstory. Like seriously, chances are good that hulk blood has gotten places before in big battles, so if a drop is all it takes it seems unlikely no one would have been infected before.

5. Make her buff?? She’s supposed to be just as strong as the hulk.

-Women want characters who actually look like really people, while she-hulk magically gets her hair straightened when she shifts.

-Women don’t want Jen talking about how she’s so much better then Bruce because she’s a woman.

6. AND THE STEVE VIRGIN COMMENTS!!

Jen WTF it’s none of your business what Steve has or hasn’t done. If it was a male character making such comments about Natasha that wouldn’t be seen as okay, so it’s not okay for her to do the same thing about Steve. Also she’s talking about it to Bruce, who was friends with Steve (who is now dead), WHAT MAKES HER THINK TALKING TO HIM ABOUT WHETHER HIS DEAD FRIEND IS A VIRGIN OR NOT IS OKAY.

(Also Steve went back in time and married Peggy, the only way he would still be a virgin is if he didn’t want to have sex, and that could be true for literally any superhero other than Iron Man)

Also having Steve lose his virginity to a random girl on a tour seems OOC, but honestly I don’t really care about MCU Steve Rogers.

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(If anyone disagrees with me about any of these points, I’m fine having a friendly discussion, but I don’t want to get in a huge fight over a stupid tv show is set in a universe that has whitewashed multiple characters and is hugely problematic.)

[alvariearmy]

When you treat your special effects team right and give them enough money, you get a visual masterpiece like The Sandman.

When you treat your special effects team like shit on your shoe and barely pay them and give them no time to work on things, you get whatever the fuck She-Hulk has going on.

[empathmantis]

not Disney making a self-fellating joke about being in 'an era of peak tv' when they very nearly single-handedly destroyed creative media by cornering the market and pumping out formulaic and unoriginal content...

[firelordgrantham]

hot take: being a good guy is not something that happens because the author decided you were a good guy, but because of your actions.

if the main character abuses other characters, whether they are supporting characters, love interests, or even vilains, MC is not a good guy.

if MC belittles other characters, particularly people with low self-esteem, whatever their place in the plot, MC is not a good guy.

if MC twists other people's backstory or trauma and makes it about themselves to explain how they had it harder than the other, they are not a good guy.

now tho, all of those have this slight amendment:

if the MC has no way to exist but through abusing or belittling other characters, and has no way to be deep and interesting but to take other people's backstory and explain why theirs is even more tragic... then the author sucks at writing characters with depths.

[luna-rainbow]

“That ass did not deserve to die a virgin” LMAO GIRL you have just fed the slash fans.

So...Steve is officially dead? Can we lay him to rest now? Why does Tony get Peter crying over him and Bruce moping over their table...while Steve only gets his ass talked about?

"Captain America fu--" ...So we're just going to ignore that Sam is now Cap? (And also some canonical discussion of where Sam is up to or Sam's personal relationships is long overdue, thanks)

[galaxythreads]

I still live in disappointed rage that they killed Hulk in Endgame. Hulk was such a beautiful metaphor for Bruce's inner conflict and merging them together just feels like a cheap way to "fix" things without acknowledging the root of the problem.

[anti-mcu-in-general]

When Jennifer ranted about how she is better at controlling her anger it made me angry.

You know, maybe in a different show, in a different context, it could have worked. (Not in an MCU series)

But them making Jennifer tell this to Bruce. Bruce, who is always angry. Bruce who was hunted as an animal. Bruce who has so many things to be angry about. It's just horrible.

[sallyb-sin]

Man, this show is a joke. The next Batwoman.

[gay-jewish-bucky]

don't want to bother op but this is literally "steve's" ending, the genders were swapped, and yet the majority of people support it despite it being all kinds of fucked up

[justarandomgirly]

Seriously. How did they let something with such terrible CGI out?

And...is that supposed to be fighting? 😆

[clarks-letterman]

i am TERRIFIED to see daredevil in she hulk… and the fans are so fucking annoying about it like “matt made jokes in his show too” or “it’s a comedy, he’s not gonna be serious” like shut up. the mcu uses recycled jokes that can be applied to any hero and still be as lame as they were when the first person said them, but daredevil had specific humor that differed and wasn’t overused in every single scene ffs

[idieokonkwo]

I am sick of marvel making all of their male characters who canonically have long hair have short hair instead.

Most recently, Skaar in She-hulk

But also, Bruno in Ms Marvel

And Chase Stein in Runaways

I can’t think of any other examples but I feel like I saw it once more. Feel free to add if anyone else has examples.

[antidam0n]

She hulk was so cringey

First of all the legal stuff - what on earth was that scene where Jennifer delivered a mock closing!? You don’t rate closings like a school paper of ‘good’ or ‘bad’, people on your team don’t ask to last minute close the case unless you’re really in trouble. Legal work isn’t about one lawyer being a star of the courtroom, it’s about understanding the case so well that you have several ideas of how to summarise the case with your colleagues. You’ve even anticipated the different possible closings of the opposing side.  I know all this just from general knowledge.

 The writing  just screams I-understand-the-glory-of-being-a-successful-female-lawyer-but-I’m-not interested-in-researching-what-it-actually-about-and-why-people-love-it-because that’s-too-hard. Showing the intricacies of being a lawyer is going to get way more women interested in the field rather than just depicting them as a star that gets rated by their colleagues! isn’t her being a lawyer a key part of the character, why would you put some effort into this!

The depiction of women - for me the worst scene is when she-hulk/Jen is injured and then out of nowhere the women presume it’s domestic abuse and start putting make up on her rather than ask her if she is ok and see if she needs emergency services. Was that supposed to be funny? For any men wondering, yeah random women never start spontaneously doing your make up in the girls bathroom like that because you’ve had a rough day. Certainly not when you are covered in blood. It’s a dumb depiction of women and it came at a time where we could have done with the tone being a bit more serious.

I’m not one of those people that  think the original avengers are irreplaceable. I think introducing new characters is inevitable. I was actually looking forward to this and was irritated that so many people criticised it before it was even released. They could have had the wit of Fleabag with fourth wall breaking, pulled from real life funny moments in court, this could have been better. We got  childish burping jokes in this. Again I ask, was any of those 30 minutes of She Hulk even funny? 

[valkyrieandstrangeridingaragorn]

Re: the joke about Steve's sex life...

Let's not forget that Steve was literally too polite to refuse Margaery Tyrell's advances on him and he only stopped because Peggy showed up. It’s also not too far-fetched to assume that Steve slept with one of these showgirls from the USO show during the time he was on tour.

But still, the joke in She-Hulk was in poor taste.

Yeah I mean... I don't really care whether he had sex or not, it's not something that interests me in the slightest when it comes to Steve. Do it, don't do it, couldn't care less. He's so much more than that and if he existed in real life I'd be more interested in his ideals, his experiences in the war, his political leanings (my boy is a socialist, so am I, I'd love to ask him about it and just let him talk about civil rights, economy, healthcare, etc), perhaps even his time as an avenger and his relationship with the others..... his sex life would be the last thing in my mind.

It's true he didn't seem too interested in TFA and he did say he was waiting for the right partner so it didn't sound like he would be the type of guy to sleep around (even though if he was? that would be awesome, nothing wrong there), but having a series talk about this in a tone that implies it would be a shame to have a man like him die a virgin as if it's a waste is so insulting, so childish and so out of place that it ends up being amazingly disrespectful to Steve.

We know where every single OG Avenger is: Stark and Natasha are dead, Clint is with his family and Kate, Bruce is hanging out with his cousin and we just had Thor's movie. But we don't know where Steve is, what happened to him, if he went back again, if he's dead... nothing. Even Spellman asked Marvel about it before TFATWS and he said they wouldn't answer him so he came up with the silly story of Steve being in the moon.

So not only he's given a terrible ending in EG, we still don't know where he is or what happened to him but the new series is talking about his sex life and his ass?

Not to mention it's out of place in a show that's supposedly trying to make a point about objectification. Feminism is meant to uplift both men and women + break everyone free of patriarchal strict rules. It was never meant to put women above men and take certain behaviours rooted in misogyny and turn them around to objectify men instead of women as if that behaviour towards men is fine but the moment you do it to a woman it's wrong. It always is.

[lunarspiral1127]

So, that was She-Hulk.....yeah, it sucked.

Once again, the MCU released another show that was incredibly disappointing. But, this takes the cake when it came to finales. My god, there's so much wrong in this show that others have explained this better than I could. This is one of the worst MCU shows I've ever seen. Is it worse than Loki? I don't know, but it's pretty up there! It's definitely worse than Ms. Marvel. And it sucks, cause I love She-Hulk. The actors did their best to what they were given so they're not to blame.

Daredevil, Wong and Abomination were the best parts of the entire show, the main supporting cast (as much as I like Pug, Nikki, Mallory, and the parents) are just about supporting Jen like that's their whole purpose, the main antagonist and his goals were so stupid, the butchering of several characters and groups like Mr. Immortal, The Wrecking Crew, Intelligencia and Titania, most of the men are written as idiots, sexists, or incompetent jerks (with an exception of a few) in this show and that this show brings up plenty of double standards that have went on in this show. Like, Jen having photos of Steve Rogers' butt and back or her talking about whether or not he had sex, while mentioning his butt again. Not to mention, as I said before, she wants Daredevil to come back in the finale cause she has needs and she even made a joke about smashing Daredevil. She just wanted to bang him again. So, that's totally okay? What if the genders were swapped? Would it be okay then?!

There's also the whitewashing of an original black character that not many talk about because people were distracted with the twerking scene that happened in the same episode. Mentioning the Sokovia accords being gone in only a sentence but not knowing what was the cause of them being repealed or not even building it up, since we had a freaking movie where these accords played a factor in breaking the Avengers up.

And there's a lot more but other have explained it better than I can. I'll also say that most of the comedy wasn't good, this whole show was badly written, and the Daredevil episode was the best episode out of the nine. Alright, I'm done now.