#bioshock: infinite

[tenaflyviper]

I miss when this was just in a video game, and everyone knew those were the bad guys.

[aydaptic]

Hello there!

I have a question regarding this post you made. https://www.tumblr.com/aydaptic/647017627257012224/the-ending-of-bioshock-infinite-with-dlc

I understand if you need to time to brush up on it before answering my question.

For Fanfiction purposes, let’s say there is a universe where, instead of Booker, the Luteces send Jack to Columbia, fresh off the plane crash, and before he enters Rapture.

Is it possible to do this after OUR Elizabeth is dead, or would it be impossible?

If impossible, then let’s say this outcome leads to a third Elizabeth that destroys the Siphon. Would this then have to be done before Elizabeth goes back to Rapture after dying?

And is it possible that, due to her journey with Jack, she might decide to spare him because of his influence?

I am very much looking forward to your take on this.

Hi there!

Impossible. It's always hard to structure an answer when there are several complicated factors that tie in, but I'll try to make it easily digestible. You have three questions. So let's start with the 1st.

1.)

Q: "Can the Luteces send Jack to Columbia after the plane crash?"

A: "No."

The plane crash happens after Columbia is entirely erased. They can't go into a past that doesn't exist. Neither can Elizabeth.

(1912) Elizabeth starts the Columbia purge. Visually, we know that it takes time to do an entire purge. The Elizabeths standing over Booker at the Sea of Doors disappear one by one. Not instantly.

(1936 or 1956, I don't remember) Jack is born.

(end of 1958) Start of BaS: Ep1.

(end of 1958) Columbia is entirely purged.

(end of 1958) Fontaine gets the code phrase.

(end of 1958) Fontaine kills Elizabeth.

(1960) Plane crash.

The future can't exist without a past.

Elizabeth giving Fontaine the code phrase and dying is the past. Jack on that plane is the future, and direct result, of Elizabeth handing said code phrase over. Jack can't be on that plane until Fontaine has been given the code phrase.

Columbia exists on borrowed time after BioShock: Infinite's main game ending. That's why -- in BaS: Ep2 -- Elizabeth has very little time to go back to get a hair sample. As Elizabeth says, Columbia is "fading" when she goes into the Tear in The First Lady airship, so she has to be quick.

By the time of her final death, Columbia would've been entirely erased. The only thing left of Columbia is the two Luteces -- who exist out of time -- meaning that the Luteces are still up and about regardless of Elizabeth. Columbia, however, is gone.

That said, Jack can visit Columbia at any point from year 1936/1956-1958 before Columbia is 100% purged. Before Elizabeth's final death.

I repeat... Columbia was erased before she died.

2.)

Q: "If impossible, then let’s say this outcome leads to a third Elizabeth that destroys the Siphon. Would this then have to be done before Elizabeth goes back to Rapture after dying?"

A: "I don't understand your question."

What's "this?" Lutece taking Jack to Columbia? A third Elizabeth destroying the siphon? Elizabeth and Jack meeting?

Unless I answered this question in my other replies, I need you to be specific and clarify what you mean in a comment on this post. Don't send another ASK and just comment below. I prefer having everything in one place.

There are no other Elizabeths -- including those with powers -- after the beginning of BaS: Ep2. All of the Elizabeths (not Annas) were merged when she went back. Siphon or no. All the Elizabeths are one entity in BaS: Ep2 regardless of the siphon.

So how to work around this?

If you want Elizabeth to interact with Jack at all, and let him into Columbia, it either...

needs to be done before the complete Columbia purge (...which happened shortly after Elizabeth got the hair sample Dec 31st, 1958)

or...

you need to directly go against Elizabeth's canon death and a Lutece to portal in + grab her before Fontaine puts a wrench in her head. She still won't have her powers, but she'd be alive, and Fontaine would have the code phrase to push the story forward for Jack. This is the only way Elizabeth and Jack can interact after her journey in Burial at Sea.

3.)

Q: "And is it possible that, due to her journey with Jack, she might decide to spare him because of his influence?"

A: "Spare him from what? Being manipulated by Fontaine?"

I yet again need you to be more specific. Comment, on this very post, what exactly you mean. I'd be glad to answer :)

[shrapnelstars]

THEY'RE DOING IT! THEY'RE DOING IT! THEY'RE DOING IT! THEY'RE DOING IT! THEY'RE DOING IT! THEY'RE DOING IT! THEY'RE DOING IT! THEY'RE DOING IT! THEY'RE DOING IT! THEY'RE DOING IT! THEY'RE DOING IT!

[gamingisalifestyle]

[marazhai]

BIOSHOCK INFINITE: BURIAL AT SEA (2013) dev. Irrational Games

[ladyspektor]

[cryptidvaquero]

i am also a bioshock enjoyer

(posted on my insta, @/softcryptids. please don't use my art.)

[nechto221b]

i am a false prophet because i draw them expressing emotions and not with poker faces.

[taco-pal]

Andrew Ryan could make Rapture but only Frank Fontaine could make Bioshock McDonald’s

[myhomelandaz]

Elizabeth is a model from the 80s

[woogiez]

missed the guy but my aim is getting better

[vertyd]

Unpleasant gradient little sister time

[reichenbachfalle]

[xec]

Booker, are you afraid of God? No, but I'm afraid of you.

[deepdwellingsteamboat]

BIOSHOCK INFINITE 2013・dev. Irrational Games

[jeff-the-innkeeper]

10 Characters, 10 Fandoms

RULES: List your ten favorite characters from ten separate fandoms, then tag ten people!

Thank you @vvatchword for tagging me!!

A few of my favourite characters are the ones that I hyperfixated on years ago and then daydreamed/wrote a ton of fic about so the versions that exist in my head are probably incredibly different than canon, bare with me on this lmao

in some vague sort of order…

1. Joel (The Last of Us)

2. Atlas (Bioshock)

3. Emily Kaldwin (Dishonored 2)

4. Ed Teach (Our Flag Means Death)

5. Crowley (Good Omens)

6. Yang Xiao Long (RWBY)

7. Cass (Fallout New Vegas)

8. Jotaro Kujo (Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure)

9. Vergil (DmC Devil May Cry)

10. Baragon (Godzilla)

i tag uhhh

@stedebonnit @everything-is-by-design @viperra1 @paleoleigh @falloutnewnobody @annihilatius @f0ntainefuturistics @skripsy @firey-the-blaze @iightbringer