#bnha discourse

[phantomrose96]

Regarding your bnha post: god, I agree SO much with you.

Endeavour was one of my most hated characters and the fact he gets to have a redemption after all the shit he did.... that was when I dropped the manga as well, it was simple impossible to go on.

The dude pretty much raped his wife until she gave her the son he wanted, he neglected and abused his children and drove his wife insane to the point where she threw boiling water into his son's face.... but HE gets a redemption???? Like for real??????????

(heavy sarcasm voice) you have to remember anon! Endeavor learned his lesson by!...... getting literally everything he wanted and then deciding he felt bad and was sorry?

He really proved his change of heart by repeatedly nagging his family to forgive him (such a stand-up guy). And when that didn't work he REALLY proved himself by.................... taking down a nomu villain?

Like bro really?? no shit??? The #1 hero took down a villain??? Wow. Amaze. So cool. He fight. Wow wow. This must be such a new and novel thing for him to do, as a hero, as the #1 hero. Shouto get the fuck over here and stare your abuser in the eye and say "wow I forgive you now".

No you block heads that's literally just his day job.

A whole big chunk of the reason Endeavor made for a good villain was because he was a hero. He's an ugly and complacently hidden blight on society, because this is a world that let a wife beater and a child abuser become the #1 hero of society.

And the MOST baffling thing is Horikoshi keeps TALKING like hero society is corrupt. That's sure what Shigaraki and the LOV won't shut the fuck up about. And it never makes any fucking sense in the narrative because all the heroes are Actually Just Great People.

Except Endeavor. Endeavor should have been your catalyst. That should have happened when Dabi revealed to the world that Endeavor is a monster. ...but nah no, Horikoshi likes his Sad Man 'Deavor and just decided that doesnt matter :)

And it's frustrating to watch the narrative be like "Endeavor is in the right now, yes." As Horikoshi makes Rei forgive him, makes Natsuo forgive him, makes Shouto forgive him. ......And Dabi doesn't count cuz Dabi's evil or whatever yeah.

There's literally a line where Natsuo talks about how maybe this is his fault too because he should have taken some responsibility for controlling his dad's rages..... when Natsuo was an 8 year old child. Hello?????????????????????????????????

Fucking Hello????????????????

[makeste]

BnHA Chapter 332: This Fight Has Actually Taken More Than a Month

Previously on BnHA: Horikoshi was all “please enjoy these three whole pages of exposition about how New Order works. Spoiler alert, it all boils down to how much the user understands the nebulous inner vibes of their target, so I hope you’re all taking notes for the inevitable Final Battle Shenanigans to come.” Tomura was all “well I sure can’t wait until I get my hands on this quirk, wonder how many more chapters it’s going to be.” S&S was all “nothing else we’ve tried has worked so why don’t you Air Force guys ask the Secretary of Defense to send a few missiles our way, and in the meantime I’ll hold Shigaraki off by punching him a bunch with my giant LoK Season Two Homage.” Fandom was all, “[checking to make sure that they’re still reading the correct manga which somehow they are].” Btw how much longer are we going to let Horikoshi keep pretending that he’s never heard of A:TLA lol.

Today on BnHA: Horikoshi is all “I’m just gonna draw the most ludicrous attack I can think of” and has Star’s giant sky avatar make the hypersonic missiles do a couple of loop-de-loops for absolutely no reason before detonating with a giant FSHAM. Everyone is all, “I WONDER IF IT WORKED.” Tomura is all, “IT DID NOT WORK.” Star is all, “WELL I’M ALL OUT OF IDEAS, GUESS I’LL JUST STAND HERE AND FUCKING DIE THEN.” Weekly Shounen Jump is all, “WHAT IS THE OUTCOME OF THIS DECISIVE BATTLE!?” like GEE I WONDER. You’ve put us all on the spot here, WSJ. Idk, what do you guys think.

oh goody a Star and Stripe flashback, this is definitely the order Horikoshi should have done this in. who says we have to put foreshadowing before the actual thing. aftershadowing, that’s what all the cool kids are doing now

so she’s hanging out with a bunch of muscle bros in tank tops in the military or whatever I guess, and being all frustrated that her quirk doesn’t always do everything she wants it to do. though to be fair, if there was ever a quirk that desperately needed an instruction manual it’s gotta be this one

wowwww lol

“isn’t it such a shame that our sexist society is filled with men who are constantly demeaning women and refusing to acknowledge them as equals” -- man who is already well on his way to pseudo-fridging his third female character in the span of a year, in his story which already features a cast that is 75% male, which runs in a periodical which has never hired a single female editor in its entire history

-- actually you know what, just in case this winds up being one of Those Chapters, I should probably press pause for a sec and post a few Clarification Bullet Points just so that we’re all on the same page before we continue here lol. so here goes:

BnHA is kinda sexist you guys

no, it’s not as sexist as it could be

no, I’m not saying Horikoshi is a bad person, or the most sexist person who ever lived, or even in the top 100 (maybe even 1000) of sexist manga creators. BnHA is actually very progressive for a shounen manga in a lot of ways. he’s definitely trying

that being said, all the A’s for effort in the world won’t change the fact that WSJ is a boys’ club, and shounen manga’s idea of progress is “look at that, our female characters don’t all have to wear high heels all the time, and sometimes we even give them plotlines about stuff other than doing the boys’ laundry!!” I mean, pretty much anyone is going to look like a paragon of feminism when the bar is that low lol

tl;dr, I appreciate what we get, but that doesn’t mean I’m gonna fall on my knees in unreserved gratitude just because Horikoshi isn’t out here zooming up his female characters’ skirts every three panels. and this also happens to be the one and only thing about the series that I often find it very difficult to lighten up about, because of how it reflects circumstances in the real world. so yeah. apologies in advance, but if you continue to read this recap I can’t promise you won’t be subjected to occasional random chill-less remarks about gender equality or the lack thereof. it may happen at any time without warning! I, a person who is reading this manga on the internet for free, do in fact have the audacity to complain about some of the things that happen in said manga from time to time! and then I keep on reading the series anyway even though I only enjoy 95% of it and not the entire 100%! it’s some straight up r/choosing beggars shit! I might even choose to make a couple of critical remarks that aren’t watered down by jokes! right here on my own blog where anyone can read them!! it’s a lawless jungle out here!!

anyways lol so I think that’s about as clear of a disclaimer as I can possibly make. don’t say I didn’t warn you. now back to our regularly scheduled programming

anyway so after all of that ranting, these military (Air Force?) bros are actually being pretty chill though

(ETA: in hindsight, writing this rant seems to have used up most of my fucks lol. the rest of this chapter wasn’t really that bad so I managed to coexist with it peacefully pretty much right up until the last page, and even then it was mostly just eye-rolling and sighing. the type of situation “I’m not mad, just disappointed” was coined for, I guess.)

and you know what I like about this, is that Horikoshi actually took the time here to ask himself how S&S’s journey of becoming the number one hero might differ from All Might’s journey, and what kind of challenges and pushback she might come up against which a male character in the same situation would likely not encounter. this wasn’t necessarily the most graceful way of bringing that up, but I do appreciate that he was being thoughtful enough to consider any of this stuff at all, let alone actually work it into the character’s backstory

THAT BEING SAID, while I do appreciate what Horikoshi seemed to be going for here, I would have preferred if the message was more of a “you’re just as strong as All Might, your quirks just work in different ways” thing as opposed to “don’t sweat it if you’re not as strong as All Might, it’s not you it’s the quirk”

to be clear, it’s not that I have any kind of problem with All Might being the undisputed Strongest Character In The Series; it’s just that I still can’t really see why he’s considered to be stronger than S&S. it’s like they randomly decided that physical strength was the only metric actually worth considering. like sure, S&S may be having trouble trying to catch up to All Might in terms of bench presses, but All Might is probably having trouble catching up to her in terms of Turning Himself Into A Massive Laser-Wielding Sky Kaiju so I would think it evens out lol

anyway so Horikoshi is just not doing a good job of selling me on this Super Strength > Magic Reality Bullshit thing. and for that matter, it’s in his interests not to convince us, because aren’t we supposed to be worried that Tomura will be unstoppable once he gets his hands on this?

but these are all questions I’ll have to ponder more at some later date, because the flashback scene has now ended and we are cutting back to everyone’s favorite hypersonic missiles

so the missiles are almost there now, and Star says she’s going to have to release the laser rule in order to set up a new rule for the missiles. man, what? so you knew all along that the missiles on their own obviously wouldn’t be enough to stop him?

okay so real talk, how is this going to be any more effective than the lasers were. because regardless of whether it’s a laser or an explosive, at the end of the day we’re still dealing with thermal energy here right? meaning that you’re still going to run into the exact same problem you had with the lasers, and with Endeavor’s Prominence Burn, which is that FIRE IS NOBODY’S FUCKING WEAKNESS my god why doesn’t anyone in this manga listen to me. I’M TRYING TO HELP YOU

so now there’s an entire page of Tomura just chilling in the midst of the laser bombardment like it’s an afternoon at the sauna, and wondering what these explosive-vibes-giving things are that he can feel approaching. probably explosives, Tomura

fffffldkjl “LOL NO WAY, THIS WOMAN REALLY LAUNCHED A BUNCH OF HYPERSONIC MISSILES?” I know, right??

and there’s another page of Star giving a countdown to whatever bullshit she’s about to do, and then the bottom panel is showing the missiles breaking through her giant sky titan’s hand, which is some hella trypophobic shit that absolutely nobody in the world asked for

hey, Horikoshi? file this one along with the centipedes and the mushrooms. let’s not have any more of this ever again please and thank you

lol what the actual fuck

? ???? ??

LOL, WHAT

?????????????

is anyone going to explain to me how this makes the attack more powerful, or should I just keep reading. “keep reading makeste, duh” yeah you’re probably right, I keep going off on random tangents for no reason. I really need to focus up here

huh

well, you guys. so it appears that Star’s trump card was [checks notes] randomly having the missiles spiral around a couple of times for extra fanciness before they finally hit him. you know, for that extra spiraling power boost. the coveted spiral bonus

A WHOLE TWO PAGES OF EXPLOSIONS WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

FINALLY, SOMETHING BOTH AMERICAN SUPERHEROES AND SHOUNEN MANGA HEROES CAN AGREE ON. WHEN IN DOUBT JUST MAKE THING GO BOOM

WOW ANOTHER PAGE OF THE EXPLOSION. JUST IN CASE THE PREVIOUS TWO PAGES WEREN’T ENOUGH

I HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU, MISTER SIDE CHARACTER GUY ASKING ABOUT TOMURA’S STATUS WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE DUST TO SETTLE FROM YOUR MASSIVE EXPLOSION ATTACK, BUT THE ANSWER ISN’T GOING TO BE ANYTHING THAT YOU’LL PARTICULARLY LIKE. I JUST GOTTA WARN YOU NOW. YOU MIGHT NEED TO SIT DOWN FOR THIS ONE

MAN WHY ARE YOU ALL TRYING SO HARD TO PRETEND LIKE THERE IS ANY TENSION HERE LOL

“WELP, THAT WAS IT. THAT WAS THE MOST POWERFUL ATTACK WE HAD. I WONDER IF IT WORKED. LET’S ZOOM IN ON THIS MASSIVE CRATER THAT WE JUST BLASTED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN. I GOT A GOOD FEELING ABOUT THIS ONE YOU GUYS” yep. for sure, Star

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH hahahaha oh no

“NOPE NEVER MIND. GOOD FEELING’S GONE”

OH MY GOD I ACTUALLY LOLED FOR REAL

her faceeeee oh no. oh, Star, we’re really in it now

lol this motherfucker used Decay to burrow underground to hide from the explosion. what a power move. “if I was even a millisecond late it would have been a fatal wound” lmao you asshole. “good game,” Tomura says placatingly as he shakes Star’s hand afterwards. “that was a real nail-biter right up till the end. all the respect bro, you’re one hell of a competitor. let’s keep in touch.” follows her on Twitter after. “Shoutout to my homegal S&S, we had a WILD ONE this weekend [fire emoji] [fire emoji] [fire emoji] Down to the wire! Nothin but respect [100 emoji] [100 emoji] [100 emoji] [flexed bicep emoji]”

lmaoooo now all the Air Force bros are like “OH SHIT OH SHIT” and flying around all panicked lol

“OH GOD, OH FUCK” somebody help me please why is this chapter so unexpectedly funny

NOW WHAT LOL

did the Noumu explode??

(ETA: this page is literally indecipherable to me.)

and now AFO is suddenly taking over and Tomura’s landing on one of the fighter jets still all crazed

SIGH

I’m sure you will lol. a James Patterson ghostwriter could put this quirk to better use than we’ve seen it used in this fight tbh

“do it now, Star” do what now??

oh for fuck’s

are you really gonna pointlessly squish your Respect Women Juice-drinking Air Force bros just so we can all feel even worse about this situation sob

FUUUUUUUUUUUUU

NOPE, INSTEAD SHE HESITATED FOR TOO LONG AND HE GOT HER

holy shit she basically just gave up? just straight up stopped fighting basically

I mean it wasn’t like the options were suddenly reduced to a binary “kill your buddies or let TomurAFO get you.” there were seriously more than just those two options here. you could have dodged him, or done literally anything else other than just standing there with your vaguely wistful expression and letting him grab you, Star

anyway so that’s it I guess. not one single person reading this was ever expecting any different. like Mirko and Nagant before her, S&S gets to be show-stealing and badass for approximately 1.5 to 3 chapters before her fairy godmother Horikoshi’s magic finally wears off, and her resourcefulness turns back into a pumpkin

I mean, idk. like I said, I never expected anything else. it would just be nice if we could get a fight like this where the badass lady character actually won. or lost, but still stayed relevant to the plot afterwards (and was actually relevant in any way before the fight, for that matter). or if Horikoshi would stop doing this every few months just because he can lol

anyways but good game. down to the wire. nothin but respect

[the-moons-ace-card]

I’m about to end the “this 1B student should be in 1A”/”this 1A student should have been put in 1B” discourse

Take a look at this screenshot

These are the top ten students of the entrance exam. As you can see, Shiozaki, Kendo, Tetsutetsu, and Awase made the top 10.

If the classes were organized by how good they are, they would be in Class 1A. But they’re not.

The fact is, 1A and 1B are both hero course classes. It’s the same course run by different teachers. They were just put into different classes at random

This is also why there are two recommended students per class instead putting all four of them in 1A. To keep things even, instead of making it so one class is better than the other.

So yeah. Think again before you try to start the “who should be in which class” discourse.

Also, someone show this to Monoma

[chako-chip]

mha as a show/comic had such a huge opportunity to give us strong female characters and they completely missed lol instead we have women who depend on men and (90% of the time) are sexualised the shit out of

[class1akids]

what are your thoughts on the 'tdbkdk are not a good main trio/tdbkdk are forced as a main trio' criticism that's happening on twitter right now?

I have no idea - my Twitter timeline is full of Kacchan in stirrup leggings and people posting their HCs about Todoroki getting cuddles. It's magic what happens when you use block and mute buttons to create a pleasant little corner catering to your likes and say nope to the meaningless noise.

But let me guess: someone with all of 20 followers looked at the Trio ending panel in Chapter 334 and pretended to be shocked, saying it should feature Deku-Iida-Uraraka because they were Deku's "first friends" and had once taken the bus home together as their “Trio-defining scene” (seriously, I may be forgetting something, but when did these three ever do anything plot relevant as a “Trio”?)

, while totally ignoring the textbook shonen rival introduced as an antagonizing yet challenging force in Chapter 1, who is deeply ingrained into the MC's psyche.

Like, even if you argue about Todoroki's spot in the main trio, I think there can be no doubt that Bakugou was always meant to be one of Deku's main relationships.

Narratively, the deuteragonist needs to be someone who foils the main character, pushes him out of his comfort zone and challenges him. Neither Iida or Uraraka, who were Deku's "followers" from the day they met, fit that role.

So that leaves the Tritagonist, where HK could have chosen the "lead girl" to be the third member of the main group (which would have inevitably resulted in Kacchako-Izuocha to become the new Zutara - Kataang shipwar), but he made the decision very early not to.

In Chapter 10, he already brings in not Uraraka (member of Deku's winning team), but Todoroki, as Bakugou's other reason for his crisis of confidence, and the first power-ceiling to reach.

At the climax of the first battle in Ch 18, it is the three of them who come to the same conclusion and help out All Might (Kirishima is there, but he doesn't actually get a move in), setting up the whole Origin Trio concept.

And the Sport Festival cements their three-way rivalry (each stage is about the three of them ultimately, while letting other students, including Uraraka and Iida their shining moments - but the story never once implies that they'd take the lead role). We are not even 10% into the story, and it's already clear who your main characters are on the students' side.

We also get Todoroki's backstory, and I think it becomes clear why he takes the third spot in the main trio: his backstory becomes the secondary plotline, after the OFA-AFO plot, and it also ties the UA-plot to the pro-hero world through Endeavor, preparing the ground for post-Kamino.

Todoroki as Tritagonist offers his own individual plot that brings in the secondary main villain, gives a chance to explore the dark side of hero society through Endeavor, bring in characters like Hawks, etc. He also has an "S" level power, alone among the students, which means he could keep scaling with Deku for a long time.

I personally also find the each side of the TDBKDK dynamic pretty interesting and have good dramatic tension:

Obviously, BKDK is childhood friends turned enemies turned fated rivals turned friends. Their relationship is turbulent but they are very strongly ingrained into each other's psyche, and provide great foiling on win and save aspects of heroism. They complement each other and model the qualities the other is missing. Bakugou also pulls his "squad" closer to the main plot.

TDDK provide great parallels, carrying difficult legacies, filling in similar roles in their individual plotlines. They also grow into a supportive friendship from the rocky start of their relationship, which in itself is not a big deal, as everyone is Deku's friend, but it affects the plot meaningfully both ways. It kickstarts the Todo-family healing arc, and it brings Deku to the top of the pro-hero world after All Might's retirement.

Last, but not least, TDBK is a great fun dynamic on its own right that has its own development path (people forget that Todoroki is introduced commenting on Bakugou!!), its ups and downs as it slowly grows into a real, bratty friendship.

If you compare this to the Deku-Iida-Uraraka trio, there is hardly any tension or excitement. It's just a friend-friend-friend dynamic all around. A bit too vanilla for my taste.

I think people also tend to forget that it's not Bakugou's and Todoroki's fault if their faves didn't get development. In terms of panel-time, Uraraka gets as much exposure as TDBK, but simply, her arc is just not as compelling.

Also, in every arc, other students got chances to shine too:

USJ: Froppy, Mineta, Iida, Uraraka, Kirishima, Momo, Kaminari, Jirou all get important roles

Sport Festival: Iida, Uraraka, Tokoyami, Kirishima, Hatsume, Shinsou

Stain arc: Iida

Midterms: Yaoyorozou

Forest: everyone, even Kendou and Tetsu got a fight

Kamino: Iida, Kirishima, Momo

Provisional Licensing: Kaminari, Momo, Uraraka, Iida

Overhaul: (TDBK totally benched for 50 chapters!!! - and even then, Uraraka doesn't get the secondary role - HK brings in Mirio, and gives more content to Kirishima than to Ochako - so it's not a TDBK issue - it's the author doesn't know what to do with Ochako issue)

Remedial arc: oh, wait 5 chapters of TDBK and remedial squad. We waited over 160 chapters for the two of them to have their own arc, and they don't even get a villain fight

Culture Festival: Jirou

Pro-hero arc: students only react

JTA: Shinsou, Uraraka, Froppy, Momo, Kaminari, a bunch of Class B students

MVA

Endeavor arc: oh, no, did we have to wait 240 chapters to get a 10-chapter arc that focuses on the main trio only? Yes, we did.

War Arc: Tokoyami, Kaminari, Momo, Uraraka

But also, I think just because we had an Origin Trio panel at the end of Chapter 334, it doesn't mean that nobody else will get to shine in the endgame.

The set-up for the final arc looks very much like a large-scale USJ style of fight, where thanks to the UA defence system, the battle can be scattered into smaller, localized fights, with the potential of giving everyone meaningful fights that fit their power-level.

So in the end, it's such a silly debate to have. We are in the last 10% or so of the story. It's a bit late to argue about who your protagonists are or pretend that the Origin Trio started to exist with the Endeavor arc. 

And having this discourse again, just means that people don't have much else to talk about (because Star vs Shiggy was a total snoozefest).

[murder-raven13]

Bakugou Pride and Prejudice

Word Count: 968 [idk how this happens]

Alright, so listen. Pride and Prejudice is one of my comfort movies and by that, I mean that it’s one I play on repeat because it’s safe, right? But I’m also just a sucker for the storyline. And I suffer from My Hero Academia. So, I got to thinking and... which of the boys would work best in the Pride and Prejudice story??? Important discourse here

‘Cause, like, part of me wants to say Todoroki, right? Because he’s rich and so, so, so awkward, like Darcy, and I also feel like he would act like Darcy does in the book [gets a little angry that he likes this person, doesn’t know how to go about it, is mildly insulting, and then secretly sweet]. And that’s all good and well.

But but but, hear me out. Because there is something about the idea of rich-fashion-icon-by-birth Bakugou Katsuki falling for you, with your poor family and your too many sisters and your strong will, that just won’t leave me alone. Like, bro, come on.

‘Cause it’s really Kirishima’s fault, isn’t it? Because he started dating your older sister and now Bakugou is around all the time because he has one friend and that is Kirishima Eijirou. So, you see him all the time and he’s terrible. You hate him. 

He’s loud and unsociable and just so rude. You hate him. And he’s always there, snarling and spitting and sneering, and you hate that his face is still so damn pretty anyway. And he’s always insulting you- ”Didn’t anyone ever tell you that dumbasses shouldn’t talk?” “What do you know about it, huh, extra?” -and, unfortunately for him, and your blood pressure, you don’t take bullshit. 

Every time you two are in a room together, it devolves from sharp, piercing insults to childhood playground sneers, and everyone else is just uncomfortable. Neither of you realize until after that you both forgot anyone else was in the room; that it wasn’t just the two of you. 

And it’s Katsuki that likes you first, of course it is, because you’re entertaining. You keep up with him, never bowing under the weight of his barbs, and your wit sometimes leaves him feeling like the whole world is spinning. And you’re beautiful, he knows, but he doesn’t know what to do with all this. He’s never been in love before, certainly not with anyone like you. There’s no one like you. 

But he hates you and you hate him and that’s a hard cycle to escape. It’s comfortable as much as it’s painful. The changes he makes are so subtle that it takes you an embarrassingly long time to notice them. 

For all his loudness, Katsuki is the kind to love quietly, and his pride, enough to rival your own, doesn’t require notice or praise for his effort. So, he says nothing, content to take his action without credit, watching you enjoy the benefits all the same. And it’s enough. He swears it’s enough. He really thought it was.

But the moment you realize-that the scarves he’d left at your place, the books he’d thrown at you, the well-timed calls that reminded you of the time before you could lose yourself to another sleepless life, all thrown at you over the course of the last few months with varying degrees of insult and expletives-were love, kindness. 

It’s not until Katsuki is carrying the shaken form of your youngest sister, dragged from under the rubble of her school, and coming straight to you, eyes only on you, to murmur words of comfort, that you realize. 

He’s had a look in his eye for a while and you’d never been able to tell what it was, just that it was familiar, and now you knew. Bakugou Katsuki, rich-fashion-icon-by-birth Bakugou Katsuki, was in love you and he was far, far kinder than you’d ever been able to see. 

In that moment, you feel so, so stupid. Because, really, wasn’t it obvious? That he loved you and you loved him? If not from his harsh way of quietly caring, then from the way you sought each other out at every turn, always forgetting everything else but each other, like you two existed on a plane of existence all your own. 

And, really, wasn’t it so damn obvious? So, you grab him, covered in grim and smeared with eyeliner and exhaustion, and you kiss him. Because you love him, you do, it just took a while to notice. 

And Katsuki doesn’t know how he ever thought having you without having you would be enough. Because it’s not. It’s really not. You, whispering praises to him, thanks, and giving gestures in return; it’s almost too much and Katsuki is entirely going to die because he loves you. 

You love loudly, in many ways, and quiet in the ways that matter. It’s the way you read aloud to him when you can tell he can’t talk, that his day was bad and he’s just angry because he’s upset. You read to him, and wash his face for him, and run your fingers through his hair, and you never look at him, never try to talk. He never comes home to messes that will make him itch and more often than not, he’ll find something new for him lying around the house where you know he’ll find it: sweaters, keychains, sweat bands, gloves, whatever you can get your hands on. 

You’re loud in the way you call him darling and pretty and princess and you’re loud in the way you support his hero career and you’re loud in the fact that you love him, but you’re never too loud. And Katsuki loves you too much, and he’s much the same.

Kirishima regrets his entire life. Because this is entirely his fault, isn’t it?

[hnnyoongs]

bnha 323 spoilers ahead

dont take this as hate towards any character or ship yall KNOW im a bkdk first and foremost but I am TIRED of the rampant misogyny and hatred towards ochako

I am sick and tired of people hating on ochako because she "spoke up for deku" - what about it? if katsuki or shouto did it u would be screaming from the hills she did what was right

"she shoulda talked about hero society but no she made it about deku instead" she's a 16 yr old girl at the moment she sees someone suffering in front of her so she does something about it that person happens deku why are you angry she's standing up for him

"why couldn't she get a moment of her own" u would not be this angry if she was a man. you know how I know that? katsuki's entire story is wrapped up in izuku and most of yall dont complain you lap it up but for some reason u hate ochako for the same reason esp weird considering ochako has toga as a final villain and katsuki has none his entire story is wrapped up in deku and most of his stans, including me, are fine with that.

wonder why yall hate her when yall love other for similar reasons hmmm (｀_´)ゞ oh I got it (ﾉ´ヮ´)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧ it's cuz she's a woman and yall only wanna like girls if they fit your perception of "badass" (ノ°▽°)ノ︵┻━┻ you're just as bad as men who only like women who fit into their "waifu" category don't hit me with "im a girl too" it's called internalized misogyny hun

hori aint a perfect writer one bit lemme get that straight but godamnit ochako gets this AMAZING moment and instead of even being NEUTRAL yall start complaining the fact ive seen more cishet men cheer her on today ... that's a tragedy

[rogue205]

I’m sorry but I seriously do not get Dabi’s fangirls (or fans in general I guess).

I get it if you as a fan hate Endeavor but seriously, Dabi is not a victim nor will he ever be redeemed if the path he is currently on is any indication. Pretty sure he’s just non-empathic regarding Fuyumi or Natsuo(even though Dabi’s actions put him in harms way later and Dabi didn’t even care once he found out) but he does NOT secretly care about or love Shoto! He freaking tried to kill him even BEFORE he became Dabi because he was enraged at Endeavor and only sees Shoto as “his fathers perfect creation” and not his little brother. And he still plans on killing him in front of their father. That is all he cares about. He isn’t Toya anymore and him revealing his true name doesn’t instantly make him a secret good guy who has “valid reasons” for all he’s done.

His backstory is that while Toya inherited Endeavor’s fire, he also only inherited Rei’s resistance against ice so he was constantly getting burned by his own quirk. At this point, he had become as obsessed as Endeavor about getting strong enough to surpass All-Might and becoming the #1 hero but both his parents were trying to get him to stop because he was only hurting himself due to his having no fire resistance. Hence why Toya snapped in the first place because he thinks Endeavor stole his dream by refusing to train him anymore. I’m not excusing Endeavor but he was also not the ONLY reason Toya went crazy despite what is thought. Endeavor is just as guilty given how he treated Shoto(but I’m also not excusing Rei either for maiming her own child and that is on HER). Also looks like Rei does know the truth about Dabi but she went to her husband, told him off first, but also said the burden was not Enji’s alone and it was implied they were going to work together to end “their family’s dark legacy” probably by ending Dabi but it wasn’t said how.

I get this too. Like Dabi’s character if you want, but the truth is, he was ruled by self-destructive desires long before the “incident” that transformed him. And he will happily kill his own family as long as it gets him what he wants. There is no “take out Endeavor and the rest of the family will go skipping off into the sunset together” here. Hating Endeavor also does not mean Dabi is in the right because he really isn’t and he isn’t going to magically transform back into who he was before.

[bnhahottakes]

stain was right.

[commander-erwin-smith]

Been wanting to make this post for just a couple days now... Look. As an All Might stan let me just say a couple things here because I'm tired of the drama I'm seeing and uncovering on both sides here on Tumblr dot hell.

You're allowed to dislike All Might. You're allowed to think he's unattractive in his true form (Hell, I'm attracted to him in both forms, yet I think his true form is unattractive, but somehow my brain also thinks he's hot???). You're allowed to think he's useless since he can't fight anymore. But, just because you want to say some negative things about All Might (or literally any other character) doesn't mean those of us that like him or whatever character want to see it in the tags when we try to browse for actual good content. If you want to hate on a character use the anti tag. Bam! Problem solved. Stop spamming the tags with hate and negativity.

Next piece of drama. This is for the All Might stans and fans who do things like this: Stop assuming things about people's personalities or who they are as a person because of them disliking All Might. People's fictional enjoyment or dislikes do not define a person. There are plenty of dark things I like in fiction that I support in fiction only. Stay mad. There are characters I don't particularly like or have an opinion on. Stay mad. Stop behaving like an NPC throwing watered down woke buzzwords at people who don't like All Might—at people who think he's useless. (They live in a world where 80% of the people have quirks. Someone quirkless and as skeletal as he is is not going to have a good time going up against someone with a quirk even if he had some type of support weapon and that's just fact. Fact. Stop accusing people of the watered down buzzword "AbLIesM!1!1!1," ya fool lmao touch some grass.) I promise you will feel better if you let go of the paranoia and just let people dislike him while you sit in your own corner and like him.

At the end of the day he's just another fictional character and fighting with people is so pointless because they can't stay in their own lane and love spreading negativity in the tags from both sides of the All Might coin. This is another reason why I like JPN fandom 'cause it's seemingly drama free.

Now if you excuse me I'm going to try to continue loving All Might in piece and hope I don't get arrested by the fanpol for wrongthink.

[phantomrose96]

(about the endeavor stuff) things like that are the reason I say horikoshi has good ideas, he's just a terrible writer imo bc nothing ever DELIVERS he backs out last second when the narrative is winding up to be interesting and impactful bc ...? Idk really tbh but it's sooo frustrating esp bc his concepts and chara designs are so good. The best way to interact with bnha is just, as a vague suggestion imo lmao

*accidentally becomes a BNHA discourse blog I promise this is temporary*

goodness yes... BNHA is very much a "great set up can't stick the landing" kind of series. it establishes fun characters and an interesting world and then just... couldn't figure out how to deliver on them.

Like the "ramping up" part of BNHA, which is everything up through the Kamino arc, was really good. Then after All Might vs All for One it just felt like... the series could only bounce around aimlessly trying to figure out what it cared about. And you're totally right that narratives and characters just get dropped halfway once Horikoshi doesn't know what else to say about them.

If I had to identify one specific thing that I think really broke my interest in the series, it's that Horikoshi gets bored of his characters.

Iida Ochako and Deku were a really endearing protag trio until... Iida and Ochako just got nuked. All Might was a fantastic presence in the series until he just kinda got shoved sidewards. Now Mirio and Night Eye are main characters! Now they're not. Oh actually Deku Todoroki and Bakugou are the protag trio! Never mind no they're not. Now the whole SERIES is about the League of Villains. Now it isn't. Now Endeavor Hawks and Mirko are the main characters! Now they're not. Sudden fixation on Shigaraki! Sudden fixation on Lady Nagant! Four seconds of caring about Dabi now we don't! Best Jeanist is a protagonist now! Who's Class 1A? It's been a while since they were used for anything genuine.

(And okay okay I get it. I know what it's like to write something long-form that ends up getting you frustrated and tired of your own characters. The best way to deal with that is to step away from it for a while and Horikoshi can't do that, so his solution is just to completely rotate the character cast to new characters he does care about) but goodness does that hurt the quality of the overall narrative.

It's like I've watched everything and everyone get built halfway that I no longer believe there's a trajectory to the series I will care about. I believe at this point the conclusion to the series will involve wrapping up a plot thread that is completely new, the end result of a long chain of bouncing focuses, and ultimately captures nothing about what I originally cared about.

[makeste]

BnHA Chapter 333: [sad bald eagle noises]

Previously on BnHA: Horikoshi was all “GIRLS CAN BE COOL AND AWESOME TOO! TAKE STAR HERE FOR INSTANCE, WHO IS ALMOST AS POWERFUL AS ALL MIGHT IF YOU CAN BELIEVE IT, AND WHO HAS BEEN SUPER IMPORTANT TO THE STORY FOR GOING ON THREE WHOLE CHAPTERS NOW,” which just about perfectly summarizes the ups and downs of this manga’s history with female characters. Anyway so S&S hit Tomura with a bunch of missiles, and Tomura was all “WOW THAT ALMOST WORKED, YOU CAME SO CLOSE,” which would be really great if this battle was being evaluated on a letter grade system, instead of being an all-or-nothing pass/fail. Anyway so now Tomura is grabbing S&S’s face, and we all know what that means.

Today on BnHA: Horikoshi is all “[kills off another badass female character].” Fandom is all “[politely trying to act like they’re shocked in order to humor him].” Star is all “BUT LITTLE DID AFO KNOW, I MODIFIED MY QUIRK BEFORE LETTING HIM STEAL IT, SO NOW IT’S FUCKING UP ALL HIS OTHER QUIRKS FROM WITHIN THE TRIPPY OFA SOUL STONE REALM! LOOKS LIKE I GOT THE LAST LAUGH AFTER ALL!! [CRUMBLES INTO DUST].” Anyway, so rest in peace, S&S. You died as you lived: very abruptly and violently without really having any sort of clear purpose, while giving all of the credit to All Might. sob.

I don’t have any introductory remarks this week lol let’s just get to it

“the battle to the death continues” ...did you mean “concludes”? you meant “concludes” right?? please say you meant concludes

(ETA: this arc basically just moved in and claimed squatter’s rights right under our noses you guys. A MANGA ABOUT LOVABLE, DISASTER-PRONE SCHOOLCHILDREN USED TO LIVE HERE, BUT NOW AFO AND S&S HAVE CLAIMED IT AS THEIR PERSONAL SPARRING GYM. IT WAS FUN FOR A CHAPTER OR TWO, BUT PRETTY SOON I WOULD LIKE TO GET MY REGULARLY SCHEDULED PLOT BACK HORIKOSHI.)

LOL SAY WHAT NOW

ALWAYS. RIGHT FROM THE VERY START. PLEASE JUST TAKE HER WORD FOR IT ON THAT IF YOU DON’T MIND. IF STAR SAYS THEY WERE ALWAYS WORKING TOGETHER THEN THEY WERE ALWAYS WORKING TOGETHER END OF STORY

oh wait, is this AFO narrating? whoops

ah yes, AFO’s long-established end goal of stealing New Order. his very well-known and not-at-all-abruptly-planned endgame, which he definitely has receipts for and absolutely did not completely pull out of his ass just three weeks ago

MAN YOU GUYS IT SURE IS CRAZY TO SEE THIS FINALLY HAPPENING AFTER ALL OF THAT BUILD-UP. I NEVER THOUGHT THIS DAY WOULD COME

AND TO THINK, FANDOM DIDN’T EVEN PREDICT ANY OF THIS UNTIL JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO. CRAZY HOW NOBODY SAW THE SIGNS. GO BACK TO THIS TIME LAST YEAR AND NO ONE WAS EVEN TALKING ABOUT STAR AND STRIPE AT ALL! SMH THIS FANDOM IS SO BLIND

anyway so this is a perfect example of why foreshadowed plot twists > “shocking” plot twists lmao. just throwing that observation out there for reasons that are definitely not at all related to my U.A. traitor theory agenda. nope. no sir

anyway so time to see what kind of last stand Star is going to make here, because hopefully she didn’t come all the way to Japan just to deliver her quirk to TomurAFO on a silver platter making things 100x worse than if she had simply never come at all sob

-- lol is it really that simple??

SO YOU REALLY ARE KATHY AFTER ALL LMAO OKAY. SO THEN WHAT WAS ALL OF THAT “CASSIE” STUFF THEN, CALEB. YOU SEEMED SO SURE OF YOURSELF LOL

VERY EXCITED TO SEE THAT NEW ORDER CAN MAKE UP RULES THAT DEFY THE NATURAL WORKINGS OF OTHER PEOPLE’S QUIRKS. SO THEN “I, [INSERT AFO’S SUPER SECRET REAL NAME HERE], WILL BE ABLE TO STEAL ONE FOR ALL” OUGHT TO BE POSSIBLE THEN, RIGHT? SINCE TECHNICALLY YOU’RE MAKING THE RULE ABOUT YOURSELF RATHER THAN ABOUT THE OTHER PERSON’S QUIRK (which is presumably much harder to define)?

MEANWHILE THOUGH, WHY DON’T YOU USE YOUR OTHER RULE TO MAKE YOUR FUCKING QUIRK UNSTEALABLE, STAR YOU FUCKING DONUT

OH MY FUCKING LORD

HORIKOSHI KOUHEI: “I’LL DO IT! I REALLY WILL DO IT!! OH MY GOD I DID IT. OH MY GOD THAT’S SO CRAZY. HE ACTUALLY TOOK HER QUIRK!! HE REALLY FUCKING DID IT Y’ALL. I AM DANGEROUS. SHIT JUST GOT R-E-A-L” yes, good, we’re all very shocked I promise

lololol

this is anticlimactic as fuck lol. come on

oh my god you guys it’s a baby Yoichi??

CAPTAIN HERO LOL ARE YOU SERIOUS? THIS IS MY NEW FAVORITE HERO NAME OF ALL TIME

HOW FUCKING DUMB WAS BABY AFO THAT HE READ A COMIC CALLED CAPTAIN FUCKING HERO AND SOMEHOW CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE EVIL VILLAIN WAS 100% GOING TO WIN IN THIS STORY, AND WAS SO CONFIDENT THAT HE DECIDED HE WASN’T EVEN GOING TO READ THE ENDING LMAO

CAPTAIN FUCKING HERO YOU GUYS I SERIOUSLY CANNOT GET OVER THIS

LOL HE’S ACTUALLY TRYING TO DEFEND HIS TERRIBLE READING HABITS OMG, OKAY FINE LET’S HEAR IT

BABY AFO: [THREE VOLUMES INTO A SERIES LITERALLY TITLED CAPTAIN FUCKING HERO] “MAN, I REALLY LIKE THE LOOKS OF THIS DEMON LORD GUY. OKAY YOU KNOW WHAT, I’VE SEEN ENOUGH, I’M PRETTY SURE I’VE GOT MY FINGER ON THE PULSE OF THIS NARRATIVE. I’M SO GOOD AT READING COMPREHENSION.” turns out the real villain was AFO’s third grade language arts teacher all along

LOL WHAT THE FUCK

HOLD THE FUCK UP NOW LOL. WHAT IS GOING ON. DID WE SUDDENLY CROSS OVER INTO THE OFA MOON COSMIC POWER MAKE UP REALM

KWDJKSLDFJKKLFDSLFK

HOLY SHIT STAR DID YOU ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR OTHER RULE AFTER ALL?? “NEW ORDER: I, KATHLEEN WHATEVER MY NAME IS, WILL MAKE MY QUIRK UNUSABLE FOR ANYONE WHO TRIES TO STEAL IT”??

OKAY YAY SHE’S EXPLAINING IT THIS OUGHTA BE GOOD. STAY TUNED TO SEE IF THAT SENTENCE TURNS OUT TO BE SARCASTIC OR NOT LOL

holy shit, either way I am loving this

S&S has more of the Bakugou-style “win with a smile” vibes than the All Might/Deku-style vibes huh. love that feral energy

oh snapppppppp!!

well well well. I believe one of our finest American poets foreshadowed this scene when he said, “welcome to my house. baby take control now”

lol, so New Order can indeed make up rules about quirks, including itself. noted! the shenanigans potential rises

anyway but you know what, as lovely as this is, at the end of the day AFO still has the quirk now, and S&S is quirkless (ETA: and also dead sob). and even if AFO won’t be able to use the quirk as freely as he’d like, I’d bet you anything that he will manage to get it under control enough to get off at least one or two uses of it. and all he needs is one use to undo the “revolt” rule and then that’s that

(ETA: it’s either that, or Horikoshi’s real purpose in introducing S&S was to nerf TomurAFO before the final battle. the latter would be pretty unexpected and appreciated actually, but at this point I’m not gonna get my hopes up too high just yet.)

meanwhile you know what would have gotten the job done much more effectively with much less collateral damage to the heroes’ side? “NEW ORDER WILL BE UNSTEALABLE.” what a crazy fucking thought, I know lol

AND NOW SHE’S DYING ANYWAY SOB OF COURSE SHE IS

did you stop it, though? or did you die in vain having helped AFO finally accomplish his lifelong goal. don’t answer that lol. Horikoshi you are hereby banished to the timeout corner until further notice. I am not forgiving you until you give us the rest of the BKDK apology, and/or something else to placate me like a new hilarious Kacchan face, or a sketch of Aizawa with a new hairstyle or something

so now AFO is all “THIS ISN’T LOOKING GOOD.” but do you mean like how the missiles in the previous chapter weren’t looking good? another “so close, one second later and I would have been...”? time will tell but in the meantime YOU SIT THERE AND FEEL THE WEIGHT OF MY SKEPTICISM, HORIKOSHI

so now he’s going to try and give the quirk away to the pilots lol

and they’re all “UH, NO??????” and just blasting the shit out of him lmao

gasp???

is she going to pull them apart???

(ETA: jury’s still out on this one but HMMM.)

meanwhile Star is still dying, like Peter Parker speeds of disintegrating very slowly and theatrically. I guess Horikoshi is trying to make us sad, but he’s already trained us not to get emotionally invested in new female characters, so idk how effective this really is

like, look. it’s a close up of her smiling face saluting an imaginary All Might as she fades into nothingness. but we only just met you four chapters ago, Kathy. it’s been real, I guess

should I even bother breaking out the Hamilton quote I’ve had ready on standby for the past month waiting for this inevitable moment lol. on the one hand idk if it’s appropriate, but on the other hand THOUGH, IN REVIEWING THE INCIDENTS OF MY HERO TENURE, I AM UNCONSCIOUS OF INTENTIONAL ERROR, I AM NEVERTHELESS TOO SENSIBLE OF MY DEFECTS NOT TO THINK IT PROBABLE THAT I MAY HAVE COMMITTED MANY ERRORS. I SHALL ALSO CARRY WITH ME THE HOPE THAT MY COUNTRY WILL VIEW THEM WITH INDULGENCE; AND THAT, AFTER YEARS OF MY LIFE DEDICATED TO ITS SERVICE WITH AN UPRIGHT ZEAL, THE FAULTS OF INCOMPETENT ABILITIES WILL BE CONSIGNED TO OBLIVION, AS I MYSELF MUST SOON BE, TO THE MANSIONS OF REST

STAR AND STRIPE IS GOING HOOO~OOOO~OOME. TEACH THEM HOW TO SAY GOODBYE

HORIKOSHI YOU’RE RUINING THE MOMENT HERE OMG

“yes, good, moment of silence for S&S... OKAY NOW BACK TO THE FIGHTER JET LASERS.” it’s like even he knew it wasn’t really earned lol

well whatever you guys! so the bad news is that S&S is finally dead. but the other bad news is that this fight is somehow still not over! S&S lingering on with surprise late-game plot twists like an American election count sob. I guess next week we’ll finally get confirmation of Horikoshi’s grander purpose here though, so I’m looking forward to that

[shirakumosan]

last thought: how many of us think that Hori will avoid all the “shirakumo revival” discourse by… sacrificing him for Shigaraki in one final act of heroism for Shirakumo/Kurogiri?

[tonya-the-chicken]

Enji and co. *are* the blue lives. The real cops don't feature much in this manga but heros vs villains with the villains being victims of society makes it clear. Accusations of brutality against villains on Enji as well as Enji going after 'hero killer' Stain which is same as the trope of cops going harder at solving murders for 'Judge-DA-cops' or get motivated harder if their own are shot.

You are basically stating that heroes are a metaphor for police and I disagree with that. While they do deal with the criminals, their approach, the sphere of work and history are entirely different from cops

First of all, when police usually came from authority and the need to enforce its (often discriminatory) laws, the heroes were first formed as volunteers fighting the injustices and helping weaker people out of their own moral beliefs

Secondly, they are restricted by different laws than police and are limited only to criminals who are using their quirks (as we know from Vigilantes)

Thirdly, they are responsible for an entirely different set of works. Instead of being responsible for public obedience to the law, they are usually busy stopping dangerous quirk-using criminals, natural disaster, accidents and engaging in special operations

Lastly, heroes are celebrities and are to the lesser or bigger extent symbols of peace and justice. We were clearly shown how famous they are. It is also hinted that many of them have public personas different from their private ones and that there's talk shows featuring them. Nothing like this ever happens to police

While there are some things in common (fighting justice and being regulated by the government), they are in no way the same or a direct methaphor

About brutality: THIS IS A SHONEN MANGA. BRUTALITY IS A FEATURE, NOT A BUG. It is *meant* to be violent because this is an action manga for teenagers. It will never be addressed. It is the rule of the genre. It is not a flaw. You can't criticize heroes for being violent towards villains, the same way you can't criticize characters of action movies for excessive killings

I am sorry to inform you that not only the police and the government shape society but also CIVILIANS. That is actually a point in the manga, that civilians are also responsible for the discrimination, not only heroes, whom they blame wholeheartedly. It is a very weird stand to take. Villains vs Heroes doesn't prove that heroes are cops. Villains are not "victims of society", they are first and foremost TERRORISTS and heroes are not "the society" but one part of it. You wouldn't want to defend those ready to kill you. There is a point where you must stop criminals for the sake of saving peaceful citizens but that's an entirely different discussion

Your thing with "them going after Stain is a cop movies trope" doesn't work because 1) they are not cops; 2) it wasn't obsessively highlighted that they are treating this murderer much differently because they somehow care for other heroes more than civilians; 3) it wasn't highlighted that this case was dealt that differently from others; 4) the only one who went specifically after Stain were Tenya, who was motivated by revenge for his BROTHER, not a "fellow cop", and Endeavor, who was motivated by boasting in front of his son. This simply doesn't work

At the end of the day, even IF Enji and Co were a direct metaphor for cops, talking about them supporting heroes brutalizing villains with disproportionate powers would be just a hypothetical idea. We have seen some glimpses of that but it is not addressed as a serious issue since criminals they are dealing with ARE overwhelmingly powerful which excuses the use of brutal force. I only remember it being mentioned in the Team-Up mission spin-off where Miruko attempted to go after a guy who actually was just suffering from his quirk

In conclusion, stop analyzing fictional stories the same way you analyze the real world. Those are two different worlds with different rules and logic and yet you are equally awful in analyzing both of them. And you are even worse at drawing the parallels. Please, work on that before trying to argue with me again

[love-too-believe]

With this new leak I better not see not one person trying to shame Fuyumi for how she chooses to cope. I better not see any of this “bad victim” shit again. Ya’ll tried it with Hawks, stop doing this.

[zeebee-jeebies]

my question to horikoshi now is “why would you ever create such a vast array of high school characters (40+ teenage characters!!) and only focus on five (give or take)”...especially since it feels like the manga is coming to an end soon and we don’t even know the motivations or characterizations for half of midoriya and bakugou’s fuckin homeroom class let alone the entirety of the rival class! and yeah, we have the joint-training session... but then they disappear. they’re not even a large part of the war effort iirc and the 1-A classmates that are a part of the war are just There. tokoyami gets some spotlight, good for you birdboi, but everyone else is just there to fight and cry when people die. yaoyorozu gets a little, so does ashido and uraraka, but it just feels so flat compared to the big-hitters within the group (i’m looking at you, todoroki). i can’t help but think about that one popular post where people commented on that one screenshot saying “you really can’t tell who the main character is, their character designs are so unique” -- while that IS true, if you get one whiff of the storyline you’ll quickly find that it isn’t true