#bottom yoo joonghyuk

[kimdokja-real]

This Life and Death Companions is very funny.

Marriage says 'Until death do us apart.'

Even marriage ends at death.

Kim Dokja and Yoo Joonghyuk are Life and Death Companions, which goes beyond death.

Yeah, they're more than married.

And Kim Dokja was the one who said it.

[id-melli-yoo]

There's no way kim dokja doesn't have a hyung kink. I need an dokjoong smut ff focused on dokja going feral over joonghyuk calling him hyung

[sillywizardvoice]

guys i am going through it

[kuroko99]

HIM HIM HIM HIM HIM

[murasaki-cha]

My veteran BL reader friend is team DokHyng as of this new chapter, and when I asked her why she said :

“Did you see the disbelief in Joonghyuk’s eyes, the jealousy in his face? That’s fucking bottom bro.”

And honestly yeah I see it😂😂

[fishbeanstew]

adam’s apple

[porcelaintoybox23]

I’m quite confused about fandom’s tendency toward non-reversible positions in mlm ships. Why? I can understand a preference, but a lot of people are like physically repulsed by the thought of their ship switching.

Maybe I’m letting the ORV fandom be a stat instead of an outlier, but people are very weird about it. I’m generally a switch with all my ships, so that could be why I’m lost. I was looking through the ORVintro hashtag and someone literally wrote “ew” about Dokjoong/Joongdok being reversible. I’ve dubbed myself CEO of tumblr’s Dokjoong tag, but a lot of that fervor is because the fandom sees Dokja as this “uwu twink” that gets railed, which feels a little ooc to me.

I guess something about it feels heteronormative. The smaller man is dubbed more fem, submissive, and is always the bottom. The bigger guy is more masc, aggressive, dominant and tops. It’s hard not to see a reconstruction of binary gender roles. I instinctively have an issue with this because I’m a very small cis woman. Femininity = weakness and submission is a concept that makes my skin crawl. When I was into the MCU, I had to dig to find Tony ship fics where he wasn’t made more effeminate than canon and wasn’t the bottom or sub.

I know if this gets some traction someone will say that I’m policing ships. I’m literally discussing my own confusion and perceptions. It just weirds me out a little and that makes me want to ask about this to challenge my view. I could just have a weird bias that needs to be worked out. Yes, I am being the change I wish to see but it’s a lonely battle.

Also, because I don’t want to make this a separate post, If we’re doing mpr*g with our resident idiots, wouldn’t that make more sense with Joonghyuk? He literally becomes a woman in canon. Yes, I am peddling non-binary, genderfluid Joonghyuk.

Edit: I’m not really inquiring anymore, I have a stance on it. If you attack someone bc they use any variant of a ship name not restricted to sexual positions get a life. If you see red because someone tagged the reverse name on a post to their own blog, get a life. If you’re trying to police how people tag things, don’t post things online. Not everyone speaks your language and not everyone reads your bio or dni or whatever else. If others want to use this post for discussion, have at it. I’m done with it

[its-your-mind]

ORV as textposts 36/???

[Photo ID - ten images from the ORV manhwa with text pasted upon them.

The first image shows Kim Dokja with his white cloak flying behind him. The text post is by Tumblr user gayarsonist and reads, "hey sorry i'm late i wandered into a liminal space". The reblog reads, "what do you mean i've been missing for 10 years"

The second image shows the back of Kim Dokja as he watches Yoo Joonghyuk walk up the stairs in front of him. The text post is by Twitter user nicola @/bbynic33 and reads, "'I could fix him" good for you. I joined him in his insanity"

The third image shows Han Sooyoung looking at the Dokkaebi Shop interface to the viewer's left and Kim Dokja looking away from her on the viewer's right. Two blue texts are pasted to the top of the image with the tail pointing toward Kim Dokja. The first one reads, "dumnass 😊.” The second text reads, "dumbass 😊😊😊😊😊😊.” Two gray texts are pasted to the bottom of the image with the tail pointed toward Han Sooyoung. The first text reads, "Lmao nace typo." The second one reads, "Fuck."

The fourth image shows the backs of Kim Dokja and Yoo Joonghyuk. A text timestamped Today at 10:11 am is next to Kim Dokja's head with the tail pointing toward him. It reads, "Guess what I'm about to get." Another text is pasted below it with the tail pointing toward Yoo Joonghyuk's head. It reads, "on my nerves."

The fifth image shows Bihyung the dokkaebi floating before Kim Dokja with lightning around him. A comment by user .shinobu is pasted upon him. It reads, "your little joke was quite amusing, i must admit. who knew a vile creature like you would be able to get a laugh out of me. well done."

The sixth image shows Kim Dokja with his eyes closed and his left hand held in front of him in prayer. Lee Hyungsung, Lee Gilyoung, Yoo Sangah, and Jung Heewon are looking at him in disbelief. The text post is by Tumblr user heavensghost and placed next to Kim Dokja's head. It reads, "talking about your feelings is SO important I won't do it but u guys definitely should". A Star Stream notification is at the bottom of the image in all caps. It reads, "[A few constellations are impressed by your shamelessness.]"

The seventh image shows Nirvana on the viewer's right with their arms outstretched. They are looking toward Yoo Joonghyuk, who is on the viewer's left and facing Nirvana with a sword. Kim Dokja is behind Yoo Joonghyuk and also looking toward Nirvana. A Tumblr ask is pasted above Nirvana and reads, "i think i'm in love with you, have a nice day" The response by Tumblr user 13fingers is pasted over Yoo Joonghyuk and reads, "You are nothing to me. I won't"

The eighth image shows a less realistic version of Kim Dokja rolling his eyes and a displeased look on his face. Text is pasted above him that reads, "(through gritted teeth) Great."

The ninth image shows Kim Dokja smiling toward the viewer with his eye closed and his arms crossed. The textpost is by Tumblr user firefox-official and reads, "that character is problematic" i am sick and twisted. next"

The last image shows Kim Dokja in the foreground with Yoo Joonghyuk behind him. The tail of the original speech bubble is pointed toward Kim Dokja, and the bubble reads, "Let's go." The text post is pasted between Kim Dokja and Yoo Joonghyuk. It's by Tumblr user aridante and reads, "get in loser we're living past the end of our myth". /End ID]

Image ID by @incorrect-web-novels who is an icon and a gem

[generallypredisposedtoviolence]

i am Struggling drawing yoo joonghyuk. girl help

also the pose from the first page is inspired from somewhere from a prior art post from someone but i cant find it ;-; does anyone know

thank you for ID @princess-of-purple-prose!!!!

[ID: A black and white Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint comic. It starts with Kim Dokja looking at the mirror, where the Oldest Dream looks back, bandaged and with eyes staring out from shadow. Narration says, "You see him sometimes. You can't help it."

Oldest Dream's hand reaches out from the mirror as it continues, "It's the only time you've seen your face in sharp clarity." The words "your face" obscure Dokja's actual face, and Dokja leans in so the hand lightly touches his cheek. "Is it the same for the others too?"

We see Yoo Joonghyuk and Han Sooyoung placing a hand over Dokja's heart. The two are standing with their backs to the viewer, while Dokja faces forward but is completely faceless. "Are you even what they want - need - have - love? (Can you be?)"

A black panel containing a demon-horn headband, a folded white coat, and a cellphone says, "You are no longer anything you claimed to be."

The next page shows Dokja standing against black panels, simply rendered as a faceless white figure that gets smaller and smaller along with the panels. At the very bottom, a speech bubble says, "Kim Dokja."

The last page is the first with color. Dokja is staring blank-faced ahead, with Sooyoung and Joonghyuk close to him. Sooyoung gently holds Dokja by the arm and says with a tender smile, "Back with us?" Joonghyuk stands at his back, sadly leaning his head to Dokja's with a hand on Dokja's shoulder. Color bleeds into Dokja's skin and clothes where they touch him.

Dokja's expression turns surprised as color filters into his face, and narration says, "You forget, sometimes." Dokja, now fully in color, smiles tenderly back. "But they love you through it, despite it all." End ID]

[kimdokja-real]

This showed up on my dash today and immediately made me think of Bottom Yoo Joonghyuk and Top Kim Dokja Granted, it's not totally capturing the "KDJ can be the strong one" (cuz he's definitely worked several days in his life) and the (very important and I would love to see more of this) "YJH deserves to be taken care of/is loved" but like... the vibes are there, right?

'fancylad boy-king type' Kim Dokja is literally a Demon King! Demon Kings are dominant and powerful, not a false sense of power only to make it hot when he bottoms (like what most JoongDok is like when Kim Dokja is legitimately powerful).

Yoo Joonghyuk definitely deserves to be taken care of and loved! Gonna write a post about how Yoo Joonghyuk should be appreciated more.

And I literally don't know, maybe it's the image, they can't see or it's hard to picture a muscular man at the bottom, and a slender man at the top (he's gonna enhance his body to save Yoo Joonghyuk though) but to be honest I look for personality and Yoo Joonghyuk's rough, gruff, cold personality makes him a very cute bottom. Cold but when he's bottom, he gets all hot and flustered, it's so cute. It's the moe gap. And Kim Dokja's sly messing with people personality makes him a hot top.

It is always this way, not only for Kim Dokja and Yoo Joonghyuk. For a bigger male and smaller male yaoi pairing (when seriously, Kim Dokja is almost freaking 180cm, just 4cm away, he isn't small, he isn't that smaller than Yoo Joonghyuk.) There are certain things people especially girls want to see in their favourite characters (I mean yaoi is originally made for women), from their own experience likely and there will be self-projecting (or just writing off own experiences?) to a point it's only human and it's for some reason easier to see the more slender man bottoming. Because it's that way in yaoi manga, and guys are stereotypically masculine too I guess.

But yaoi manga is fetishization of gay people and pairings, just for people to enjoy the sex scenes, and for female empowerment in Japan (I did a paper on that!), maybe a little cute romance, and it may not be the same for an actual male-male couple. But people have their kinks and from yaoi manga, most just automatically see the more masculine guy topping and the slender guy bottoming.

Also Kim Dokja is much more popular and loved than Yoo Joonghyuk as a character, most people prefer their favourite character bottoming. It's not even about his personality but people's preferences. There's also a kink of the intelligent one bottoming and being out of sorts, losing himself in pleasure too, which is what a lot of JoongDok end up with. I actually do understand that kink, I had it for Orihara Izaya from Durarara, but I made sure to keep him in character enough. (To the extent people said my writing was like the novel that Izaya acted like Izaya from the novel, and yeah generally people don't do that, I'm an analyst so it's different and I can analyze a writing style and write it but the point is to try. Anyway I've gotten the same feedback from Dokjoong fans too so I'm glad.) And even though Kim Dokja is an intelligent maybe vulnerable character, I just prefer him as Top, because he'd be a really unique top. (Which Top is self-deprecating yet desires? Only Kim Dokja.)

Kim Dokja being OOC in most JoongDok fics reminds me of Orihara Izaya being OOC in most Shizaya fics. Er so Izaya is just an intelligent character like Kim Dokja, he claims to love humans and people, girls like him a lot, he's kind of cool as the villain and mastermind but he's slender and girls love to make him cute. He was the most popular character of the anime. This guy was so popular even people who didn't watch the show knew him from cosplays and memes. And people would ask what anime is he from.

I'll be honest and say I shipped the more popular pairing Shizaya (Izaya the more slender one on the bottom) so I enjoyed those fics at first when I entered the fandom and just wanted more (which I think is how a lot of JoongDok shippers feel), but eventually I grew bored of them because it was always the same thing. Protective Shizuo and cute Izaya (no idea where his intelligence went), and I just wrote my own. I still shipped the more slender one on the bottom but my favourite was actually Shizuo not Izaya lol, but when Izaya was top he didn't treat Shizuo well, so I shipped Izaya the more slender one on the bottom. JoongDok really reminds me of Shizaya, which is actually a fairly popular pairing. People knew the pairing even if they didn't know the anime Durarara. Like how people thought Omniscient Reader was BL because of JoongDok. But for Izaya, he acted as a girl online in canon while for Yoo Joonghyuk and Kim Dokja, it's not Kim Dokja who was a girl, it was Yoo Joonghyuk who was a girl in canon. So why is Yoo Joonghyuk not bottom? ...Pretty confusing for me.

People asked me a lot about Izaya, a lot, to the extent that I had to create an FAQ on my tumblr blog for Izaya analyses. Even though my favourite was Shizuo and people knew that. People asked me on Shizuo too but there were less. I bet if I shipped JoongDok, and did analyses on Kim Dokja, and wrote JoongDok fics, I would get people asking about Kim Dokja, the point is, it's just the character really. It's just the character popularity that leads to content being created in the way they're seen as. When you have such a beloved character that people go back to the novel and try to analyze it or remember certain scenes or just want to see more of him, that character is bound to be bottom. Because bottoms are loved and Kim Dokja is loved. People want Kim Dokja to be loved. Especially with his huge sacrifice, and taking on everything alone. (But I will say Kim Dokja can still be loved as a Top.)

(And I have a standard of Yoo Joonghyuk being loved at least for my own work, he needs to be IC enough.)

Sorry, just reminiscing about shipping a popular pairing. But Dokjoong is worth it.

So I believe it has almost nothing to do with Kim Dokja's and Yoo Joonghyuk's characters at all but because Kim Dokja is a super popular and loved character. Is shorter, has a slender body type like in yaoi, etc.

And, from my experience shipping a similar pairing to JoongDok, Kim Dokja is way too smart. He's highly intelligent, and people have trouble writing his intelligence. Kim Dokja is a mastermind character, and how are you supposed to write a mastermind character accurately with his intelligence? Most people aren't masterminds, haha. Anyway, just saying since the same thing happened with Izaya, he was the mastermind villain, too intelligent, and people couldn't write him accurately (people even thanked me for analyzing him so they could understand him!), so they just made him cute and somewhat cool and too angsty which was OOC, and made his partner Shizuo a brute who was rough, lustful and glaring (reminds me of JoongDok Yoo Joonghyuk.) which Izaya would always give into (even though he taunted Shizuo in canon).

And I think people just want something simple. So a cliche simple dynamic such as cold, rough top and submissive sly bottom draws many people. People in fandoms generally don't look for complicated things, they just want something easy to love, and angst (no matter what fandom or character, angst is always very popular. Angst is a given.).

Lastly, Kim Dokja is a lonely character, repressing his feelings, like Izaya, and it makes people who love him want him to be bottom and loved even more.

Just speaking about my experience with a similar ship lol.

(By the way if anyone is interested, Durarara is an anime about a teenage boy moving to a new city, meeting his friend, and discovering its mysteries, secrets and urban legends and being involved with a huge gang called the Dollars. Izaya is the mastermind villain. He pulls the strings behind the scenes and is incredibly intelligent. It's a great anime with more than 1 season, I recommend it and the light novels.)

When, when you think about it, doesn't it make more sense for the loyal one to bottom since, well he's loyal and will give the one he serves anything he wants. (It'll be hot too)

i think I said a bit much but the person asked why so I thought of...Why.

Also like imagine Yoo Joonghyuk crying, maybe because he's tired or hurt at Kim Dokja's words, Kim Dokja would freak out and wonder what the hell he did wrong, and - and it would be character development and exploring Kim Dokja's self-deprecating character like 'I made Yoo Joonghyuk cry, I deserve to die' 'Why do I care so much?' like vulnerable Yoo Joonghyuk can really activate Kim Dokja's character, Kim Dokja exploring his character, exploring Kim Dokja's character!

You know, there are rare exceptions, I've spoken about this before but ChildeZhongli from Genshin Impact, Zhongli who was so loved even by 'dude bros' (would bang his female form, yes he had one) was unequivocally bottom in the ChildeZhongli relationship, but when I searched them this year, ZhongliChilde was suddenly more than ChildeZhongli in A03! Well..........I think it's because Childe got much more loved as a character, so people wanted to see him as bottom more, since he appears everywhere in Genshin. I'm hoping the same thing will happen with Kim Dokja and Yoo Joonghyuk, as the manga comes out, maybe people will love Yoo Joonghyuk more. I don't know how since people said the webtoon people don't like Yoo Joonghyuk, taking away his scenes but somehow...maybe. (Genshin fans are much more open-minded than other fans in general though..........they ship almost every pairing and whatever kink but.........somehow, perhaps.)

For me, it's DokJoong because it's Kim Dokja who loves Yoo Joonghyuk the most.

This totally suits Dokjoong, Thanks for sharing! If you wanna talk more about Dokjoong or rant about why feel free to message me privately.

Now this may encourage me to make a post on why I don't ship JoongDok...

[id-melli-yoo]

Joonghyuk is single handedly one of the manliest of the male species. He has the most defined build, the deepest voice and the darkest glares.

(He deserves to be bent over the table)

[sharowolet]

ORV and Link Click trios outfit swap!

[ID: Digital drawing of Link Click trio and ORV trio with swapped outfits: Qiao Ling and Han Sooyoung, Lu Guang and Kim Dokja, and Cheng Xiaoshi and Yoo Joonghyuk. Both backgrounds are purple to orange-yellow sunset sky with stars and clouds, and a glare effect across the bottom left corner.]

[7clubs]

teacher (and some guy)

[ID from alt: Portrait of the half-giant Namgung Minyoung. She is staring sternly at the viewer with her arms crossed, and holding a long tobacco pipe in her left hand. She has a long face with strong features, and slightly messy long dark brown hair with streaks of grey—partially gathered into a bun with deep blue ribbons. She is wearing a dark grey robe, and her sleeves and fingerless gloves have diamond designs evoking many, many blue eyes.

Yoo Joonghyuk is also there, squinting eyes just barely peeking out from the bottom of the image, about where Namgung Minyoung's hips are. End ID.]

[whomstwhowhat]

In the wintertime, Yoo Joonghyuk is the big spoon, warming Kim Dokja up, and in the summer, Yoo Joonghyuk is the little spoon as Kim Dokja tries to cool him down

Regardless of who's tops or bottoms, that's how they sleep and cuddle

[angelicsubject]

The reason i ship Dokjoong instead of Joongdok is because to me, Yoo Joonghyuk is a submissive lil bitch. A person like dokja cant possibly be a bottom when it comes to someone with a personality like joonghyuk imo

[polyphonial]

very really good oh ar vee things 😁

[ID: seven digital drawings of Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint characters. First is a monochrome blue painted bust of Kim Dokja. He looks straight at the viewer and smiles in an unhinged way.

Second is a coloured bust of Han Sooyoung. She is drawn with light brown skin and curly hair which curls up like demon horns. He grins and sticks out a middle finger with "fuck u" and an evil smiley next to them.

Third is an uncoloured really small cartoony Yoo Joonghyuk with shiny eyes. Next to her in cursive is written: "what the fuck ever..."

Fourth is an uncolored cartoony drawing of Yoo Sangah holding Kim Dokja's hand, who is holding Yoo Joonghyuk's hand. Dokja laughs and says cheerfully: "I should KMS!" with a heart symbol. Sangah and Joonghyuk both loudly say "NO." while staring at each other in irritation.

Fifth is an uncolored drawing of an angry Biyoo biting and pulling on Kim Dokja's cheek. He looks slightly apologetic, smiling with closed eyes. He says: "Biyoo, let go." She answers: "Baat!" He says: "OK, I promise I won't sacrifice myself this time. Now can you let go?"

Sixth is small coloured digital chibis of Yoo Joonghyuk, Kim Dokja and Han Sooyoung. Joonghyuk, who has tan skin, looks neutral or grumpy. Dokja, who has brown skin, smiles mischievously. Sooyoung, who has light brown skin, smiles smugly.

Seventh is a messy uncoloured comic of Han Sooyoung and Yoo Joonghyuk. It is a redraw of the 'die, come kill me' meme. In the first panel, Sooyoung lies on her bed, wrapped in a blanket and smiles smugly. He types: "Die." on their phone. In the next panel, Joonghyuk lies on his bed, leaning his chin on a pillow. She looks neutral and types: "Come kill me." The next panel shows both of them making out naked on Joonghyuk's bed. There is an iFunny watermark at the bottom. End ID.]