#canon asoiaf

[drakaripykiros130ac]

TG stans: “Aegon spared Rhaenyra’s son. He was merciful.” & “The Greens would never harm children.”

The “good & kind” Alicent Hightower, and her “merciful” son, when the Blacks were coming to rescue Aegon III:

“You fed his mother to your dragon.”, she reminded her son. “The boy saw it all.”

The king turned to her desperately. “What would you have me do?”

“You have hostages.”, the Queen Dowager replied. “Cut off the boy’s ears and send it to Lord Tully. Warn them he will lose another part for every mile they advance.”

“Yes,” Aegon II said. “Good. It shall be done.” He summoned Ser Alfred Broome, who had served him so well on Dragonstone. “Go and see to it, ser.”

- Fire & Blood, page 611.

No more need be said.

[omnipotent-scient]

Personally, I've always perceived Rhaenyra as an entitled brat. That was sort of how she was portrayed in the book. Daemon was pretty nasty as well, as he groomed Rhaenyra. He was teaching her "how best to touch a man to bring him pleasure," if Mushroom is to be believed.

I am inclined to believe Mushroom.

I think most of Rhaenyra's behaviors at Daemon's fault, but I do think that Rhaenyra is mad as she wanted to torture her little brother for calling her bastard children 'bastards'. That isn't sane behavior, and nothing really excuses it. Aemond really was defending himself.

Alicent should have asked for Rhaenyra's boys to be swatted on the hands wooden spoon a good few times, not an eye. (Lucerys should not have had a dagger. Why would a child need a dagger?)

I don't think anyone thought Rhaenyra was still heir after Aegon was born. Viserys literally broke the laws of the entire realm for her.

War was inevitable, and there was nothing Rhaenyra could have done aside from marrying her infant brother.

I don't know if you've been asked something like this before. I also have no idea if the background to my question makes sense, but do you think there was any way Rhaenyra could have become Queen without breaking laws, murdering kin, and or bloodshed?

Who started breaking laws? —The Greens

Who started murdering kin?—The Greens

Who started bloodshed?— The Greens

In a monarchy, which Westeros is and has been for THOUSANDS of years the king's words is the law. Not that of his predecessors, but of the present ruling monarch.

Viserys named his 8 year old daughter as his heir, he varied from custom yes, but never broke law. HE IS THE LAW.

Viserys also broke custom by marrying Alicent, a daughter of a second son and not a ruling lord. A woman that could not give him anything of importance, not money, not a fleet, not any great allegiance. He married her simply because loved her. Being the second time he broke CUSTOM for a woman he loved. Rhaenyra and Alicent.

Even if Viserys allowed his 16 year old daughter to be wed to her 6 year old brother, you think that would prevent war? You people are simply stupid if you think so. Aegon (Otto & Alicent) could easily imprison Rhaenyra and simply put it out as she died, or simply even just end her life. And obviously with their children being young(if they had any, very unlikely) Aegon could crown himself as king rather than prince consort. And do you really think Alicent would let her precious son be king consort to a wanton woman? We see this with Jaehaerys' children Daenerys and Aemon.

I don't think anyone thought Rhaenyra was still heir after Aegon was born. Viserys literally broke the laws of the entire realm for her.

The Blacks? Literally many at court more than even the Greens supported Rhaenyra as heir. Even afterwards, during the war Rhaenyra had much more supporters than Aegon, even after her death.

Rhaenyra is mad as she wanted to torture her little brother for calling her bastard children 'bastards'. That isn't sane behavior, and nothing really excuses it. Aemond really was defending himself. Alicent should have asked for Rhaenyra's boys to be swatted on the hands wooden spoon a good few times, not an eye.

Right, Rhaenyra insisting for Aemond to be questioned sharply is mad but Alicent asking for a five year old's eye to be cut out is perfectly sane behaviour, yes? Be serious right now. Do you really think Viserys out of all people would let his son be tortured? Rhaenyra knew of that, she wanted Aemond to admit that his mother, Alicent has been spreading rumours abt easy as that.

It wasn't just for the insults either, Luke's nose was broken, Jace was hit in the head. And Joff was thrown into dragon droppings.

Afraid that the boy would raise the alarm, Prince Aemond shouted at him to be quiet, then shoved him backward into a pile of dragon droppings.

Aemond fought back, breaking Luke’s nose with a punch, then wrenching the sword from Joff’s hands and cracking it across the back of Jace’s head, driving him to his knees. As the younger boys scrambled back away from him, bloody and bruised, the prince began to mock them, laughing and calling them “the Strongs.”

Jace at least was old enough to grasp the insult. He flew at Aemond once again, but the older boy began pummeling him savagely…until Luke, coming to the rescue of his brother, drew his dagger and slashed Aemond across the face, taking out his right eye.

Aemond was TEN. Jace was SIX, Luke FIVE, Joff only THREE.

A 10 year old Pummeling (= boxing, repeatedly puching) and 6 year old is a perfectly good thing to do.

Lucerys should not have had a dagger. Why would a child need a dagger?

Because this child, is a prince? Almost everyone had daggers at that time, Kings, Queens, Princes, Princesses, Ladies, Lords, Commonborn, every one had daggers. They carried it for personal protection, even Lucerys.

Не was teaching her "how best to touch a man to bring him pleasure," if Mushroom is to be believed. I am inclined to believe Mushroom.

Even then, if Rhaenyra is such an 'entitled brat' why would she want to please the son of a steward of a Lord. And that too, not even a major Lord. Why would she want to please a no-one that became a someone because of HER.

Personally, I've always perceived Rhaenyra as an entitled brat. That was sort of how she was portrayed in the book.

She was portrayed as spoiled, yes. How could she not be? She came after many miscarriages and stillbirth, many other losses in the family. To her parents she was their first daughter, both of them motherless on their own. To Baelon, she was his first granddaughter after the loss of this wife, son, aemon and the rest of his siblings. To Jaehaerys and Alysanne, she was probably the first great-grandchild they met, she came after they lost most of their children (+Jocelyn who was as good as daughter, Rhaenys and probably never met her children till the feast and tourney of 98). She was a light in a time where her family was sinking from the inside.

I don't know how fighting for something that is yours, and have been for over TWENTY YEARS is seen as entitlement rather advocating and defending her own right?

There is someone who is portrayed as entitled, however. Alicent Hightower. Who thought simply because she popped out the King's son, means he should become a king. And this son who thought simply because he was a man with a cock, he was more fit to rule than a daughter without a cock.

Why should I explain the basic of things to strangers as if they're 5 and lack comprehension? Lol😭

[lizzie-queenofmeigas]

Being a male character in ASOIAF is the EASIEST SHIT EVER. You may be a sex pest, you may be an utter fool who never had a good idea in his life, you may lose to a teenager on a dragon the size of a horse, you may be pathetically poisoned by your own men, but you will still be showered with praise and admiration. But if you’re a woman or teenage girl who makes a single mistake, tho ? You’re gonna be crucified.

There is a lot of misogyny in the asoiaf fandom. Many in the fandom seem to hate active women (Arya, Dany, Lyanna, Rhaenyra) and prefer passive women instead (Sansa, Elia, Helaena and Alicent) and while I've seen many saying that they would cheer for Alicent if she poisoned her husband and put her son on the throne these same people hate Cersei and Lysa for doing just that.

They have some weird Madonna-Whore Complex and they should be studied.

[chattylegendbitch]

Team green fans can be such hypocrites at times. Like shaming Rhaenyra for not physically fighting on dragonback, when she is in such pain and grief. But Helaena gets a free pass because her son was killed. And she's depressed and going through grief and mourning.

While that is exactly the emotion and pain Rhaenyra is going through (even more). Rhaenyra lost her father. Rhaenyra lost her birthright/throne/crown. Rhaenyra lost her son, Luke. Rhaenyra lost her daughter. That too in a stillbirth, which takes months to heal. Even if we put aside the grief and death and loss, there is still physical trauma, and pain. In such a condition she is supposed to be in bed resting.

But still what's the point of having a dragon if you're not putting it any use.🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[sweetestpopcorn]

Chapters: 1/? Fandom: A Song of Ice and Fire - George R. R. Martin, A Song of Ice and Fire & Related Fandoms Rating: Explicit Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Major Character Death Relationships: Daemon Targaryen/Rhaenyra Targaryen, Harwin Strong/Rhaenyra Targaryen, Alicent Hightower/Viserys I Targaryen, Corlys "The Sea Snake" Velaryon/Rhaenys Targaryen Velaryon Characters: Rhaenyra Targaryen, Daemon Targaryen, Jacaerys Velaryon, Lucerys Velaryon (Son of Rhaenyra), Joffrey Velaryon, Viserys I Targaryen, Alicent Hightower, Harwin Strong, Aegon II Targaryen, Aemond "One-Eye" Targaryen, Helaena Targaryen, Daeron Targaryen (Son of Viserys I), Otto Hightower, Rhaenys Targaryen (Daughter of Aemon), Laena Velaryon (Daughter of Corlys), Laenor Velaryon, Criston Cole, Arryk Cargyll, Erryk Cargyll, Steffon Darklyn, Lorent Marbrand, Willis Fell, Rickard Thorne, Lyonel Strong, Larys Strong, Lyonel Strong's Daughters, Aegon III Targaryen, Vhagar (ASoIaF), Caraxes (ASoIaF), Syrax (ASoIaF), Vermax (ASoIaF), Arrax (ASoIaF), Sunfyre (ASoIaF), Dreamfyre (ASoIaF), Tyraxes (ASoIaF), Tessarion (ASoIaF), Seasmoke (ASoIaF), Grand Maester Gerardys (A Song of Ice and Fire), Mushroom the Fool (A Song of Ice and Fire), Septon Eustace (A Song of Ice and Fire), Grand Maester Mellos (A Song of Ice and Fire), Jasper Wylde, Lyman Beesbury, Baela Targaryen, Rhaena Targaryen (Daughter of Daemon), Moondancer (ASoIaF) Additional Tags: Story: The Rogue Prince (A Song of Ice and Fire), Story: The Princess and the Queen (A Song of Ice and Fire), Book: Fire and Blood (A Song of Ice and Fire), House Targaryen (A Song of Ice and Fire), The Dance of the Dragons | Aegon II Targaryen v. Rhaenyra Targaryen Era, Daemon and Rhaenyra are the OTP, This story if based on the canon events and has no link to any adaptation Summary:

Lady Laena's death was the first tragedy of 120 AC, but it would not be the last. For this was to be a year when many of the long-simmering tensions and jealousies that had plagued the Seven Kingdoms finally came to a boil, a year when many and more would have reason to wail and grieve and rend their garments...

Based on the characters and events created by GRRM.

[horizon-verizon]

[Canon] Ages of ASoIaF Characters When Wed (Pt.2)

Aenys I Targaryen (15) x Alyssa Velaryon (15)

Alyssa Velaryon (42-43) x Rogar Baratheon (32-33)

Rhaena Targaryen (18) x Aegon Targaryen (15)

Rhaena Targaryen (26) x Androw Farman (17)

Maegor I Targaryen (13) x Ceryse Hightower (23)

Maegor I Targaryen (27) x Alys Harroway (?)

Maegor I Targaryen (29) x Tyanna of the Tower (?)

Maegor I Targaryen (35) x Elinor Costayne (19)

Maegor I Targaryen (35) x Rhaena Targaryen (24)

Maegor I Targaryen (35) x Jeyne Westerling (19-20)

[greywoe]

child ward in search of belonging indulges in juvenile fantasies as a coping mechanism. sad!

[bidonicart]

Lyanna Stark and ser Gerold Hightower at the Tower of Joy.

A scenario conceived by @seaworthit, scripted by @nobodysuspectsthebutterfly and adapted into a comic by me.

where else to find me

[amoratearte]

🐉 Rhaenys Targaryen 🗡️

Targaryen Family Tree

“No true warrior, Rhaenys loved music, dancing, and poetry, […] spent more time on dragonback than her brother and sister combined, above all things she loved to fly.”

Known children: Aenys

[jaqobis]

[faeporcelain]

[drakaripykiros130ac]

GRRM basically spelling out how the Greens lost the war & how the Velaryons were never TG:

King Aegon II would soon stand naked before his enemies, all of the king’s men knew. Bloody Ben Blackwood, Kermit Tully, Sabitha Frey, and their brothers-in-victory were preparing to resume their advance upon the city, and only a few days behind them came Lord Cregan Stark and his northmen. The Braavosi fleet carrying the Arryn host had departed Gulltown and was sailing toward the Gullet, where only young Alyn Velaryon stood in its way…and the loyalty of Driftmark could not be relied upon.

“Your Grace”, the Sea Snake said, when the rump of the once proud green council had assembled, “you must surrender. The city cannot endure another sack. Save your people and save yourself. If you abdicate in favor of Prince Aegon, he will allow you to take the black and live out your life with honor on the Wall.”

- Fire & Blood, page 611

The Blacks had full control of the Realm and they obliterated the Green forces.

You are no king when you have no control over your kingdom and no army to defend you. Aegon the Usurper was forced to abdicate, but ended up murdered (just like Aerys II).

I find it incredible how even in death, Rhaenyra Targaryen inspired her forces to fight for her cause, and they won. Yet, no one fought for Alicent or her son in their time of need. On the contrary, their “allies” became turncloaks.

[omnipotent-scient]

Rhaenyra wasn't usurped because she was a woman, she was usurped because she was a stupid woman. If she had kept her leg closed and didn't have BASTARDS she wouldn't have been so opposed throughout the Realm

Saying she wasn't usurped because of misogyny while spewing misogyny is quite funny.

It was never abt her having bastards to begin with. It is and was always abt her being a woman and not having a sausage between her legs.

In the many many drafts of the dance, in one she married a lannister and had no children, but still got usurped. In an other, rhaenyra was married to a lyonel strong, and she still got usurped.

The problem is not her children, or whether she kept her legs close, but that she is a woman.

And let us say it was about bastards, do you really think Daemon would let them live? Let his sons that he has waited for years get passed down. Daemon did love Rhaenyra, but he had his own ambitions and motives. I don't think he would do it publicly simply because of his love for Rhaenyra. But a simple fall, accidental drowning, an assassin, it's all very possible.

It was abt the Hightowers and Alicent's ambitions.

Hope this helps🙂

[lizzie-queenofmeigas]

What makes Sansa more femenine than Dany? The fact that Sansa has no power? Why is power something considered masculine?

Food for thought.

[chattylegendbitch]

'be nice to a motherless child' you do know alicent is also motherless, her mother died before Rhaenyras did. Theyre both the same age. You people have to victimise Rhaenyra so much, where is the your sympathy for alicent.

Umm... I'll answer that when you come of you fanfic shitshow brainwashed mind😚

[francy-sketches]

Finally, a true knight