#chibs era

[13thdoctorposts]

Another TLDR DW rant from me.

I’ve started to see hot takes that the reason Chibs wasn’t given a bigger budget (im guessing in regards to marketing) was because BBC had lost faith in the show… do these people live in the real world?

The job of every business is to do more for less money, budgets are often tight and stagnate, and often places don’t even raise budgets in line with inflation. The BBC isn’t printing its own cash, and Doctor Who isn’t the only product they are concerned with. The BBC has multiple arms of its business, I’d bet most are under funded not because BBC has lost faith in its whole business but because it only has so much money and that money needs to be stretched. Thats why they needed Disney.

It makes financial sense that they would bank on Doctor Who’s name recognition to help get viewers and put more money behind marketing newer shows and newer products in their business. I know it’s hard to believe but Doctor Who isn’t and never will be the biggest focus for the BBC just because Doctor Who fans think it should be. Scifi is niche… I said it… it doesn’t have broad appeal… it’s amazing it still does as well as it does, especially after 17 years on a shoe string budget after years of economic instability and a crushing cost of living crisis.

Oh and for the people saying they should have just put more stuff on social media because they personally would have done that for free… thats not how businesses work… social media requires a social media manager and a graphic designer at minimum to run, thats probably over 100,000 pounds a year for those 2 jobs at least. If running social media was cheap agencies wouldn’t earn hundreds of thousands of dollars running campaigns, and in a lot of the western world working in social media can actually pay a lot of money. I would guess the BBC, at least previous to Disney, probably have a team that works on all their social media channels for all their shows and other arms of the business and so every channel is treated equally which probably isn’t enough for hard core DW fans but thats just reality.

[artkaninchenbau]

Egghead chibs lesgooo ✌️✨

[crystal-lillies]

It's peak missing Jodie Whittaker's 13th Doctor time, friends

I still feel like she was continuously robbed in ways that the previous doctors were not. And we will never get that remedied. And now we're back to the start of the loop where RTD and Moffat and even Murray Gold are back like. It feels. Wrong. In a way. Regressive, almost. Idk.

I just miss her.

[sometimesraven]

not to be a Chibnall defender or anything but if Jodie's Doctor had left the Sundays alone with that huge enormous wind-tunnel crack in their home while a vulnerable old lady and a newborn baby are living there it would have been another point on the list of "Thirteen is callous and cruel and Chibnall doesn't understand the Doctor"

also if Moffat had released an entire episode about child-eating goblins I wouldn't be able to scroll for five seconds without tripping over vicious accusations of antisemitism sprinkled with a dust of "if you like this writer you're an objectively bad person"

[evocatiio]

if chibnall was the one writing this season you lot would be talking VERY differently

[foolishlyzephyrus]

i’m going to be so real, i don’t understand the people who don’t like thirteen’s era but like rtd2. cause like all those episodes are about the same quality in my opinion, they’re fine. there’s nothing too remarkable about either, but i still enjoy them don’t get me wrong.

[mndvx]

bbcdoctorwho "I'm the Doctor, mate. Who the hell are you?" ⏳

[anteroom-of-death]

Not fuckin keen on the new series being called season 1. Actually I fucking hate it.

[queenhawke]

i liked dot and bubble but there is a certain irony in making this point of "haha see this entire community is white and that's how you can tell it's Evil" while this season has no POC writers

[aerithisms]

don't really understand why i'm suddenly seeing so many people saying doctor who episodes aren't long enough for character work in response to this season as if there aren't 10 seasons of 45 minute episodes with good character work. the episode length is not the problem russell just did a poor job using it this year

[akajustmerry]

I'm an RTD hater but no one should take that personally because I hate every Doctor Who showrunner because I love Doctor Who itself as a story, as a world, as a myth, and I wanna run it myself someday maybe if God loves me and if I ever do I'll probably hate myself as well because I don't love anyone or anything as much as I love the potential Doctor Who has to be the most wonderful show ever. It's not that I necessarily think I'd be better than them but when I see anyone especially these old white dudes squandering the golden opportunity of running Doctor Who in the most fuckdumb of ways I'm filled with rage. Hope that clears things up <33

[13thdoctorposts]

You know what doesn’t get talked about enough? How much everyone who worked on 13 era Doctor Who seem have such positive things to say about their experience, about what a great time they had, how wonderful Jodie and Mandip were, and in a time when there’s been so much outed about how horrible sets could be, all the evidence points to 13 era Doctor Who having been a great place to work headed by an incredible number 1 and showrunner. There are so many photos of cast and crew looking like they are having the best times of their lives and everyone deserves to have a job where they smile as much as this cast and crew did.

[politicalprocrastinator]

I know Russell has since made work that has a more in depth discussion of what it means to be Black British (see Roscoe in It's a Sin) and clearly Ncuti has been amplifying Black voices on set through costuming etc. But I do hope the history of 10's misogynoir is addressed particularly because Donna's Black British daughter is going to be a big part of the 60th specials.

[aroacespacerock]

look I don’t think the chib era was ALL bad…

BUT:

it’s just wild to me that we went from 12 punching out a racist and powerful speeches on capitalism (I’m ignoring kill the moon because wtf was that)

to 13 turning spymasters race against him when turning him into the literal n@£is, messaging that “the poor corps aren’t the issue, it’s the protesting workers that are the problem :((,” and the first ever woman doctor kneeling to the master.

I see some of the powerful political statements they tried to make in chibs era, but these contradictions bug me.

[my-ghost-monument]

thinking about rtd v chibs today, in terms of growth. when I realised that chibs had wrote my most upsetting torchwood ep, the finale to s2 where he brutally kills two characters, I was nervous for his dw conclusion. especially considering that in torchwood, tosh's death narratively serves only two purposes: to further the comparison for Owen, dying unfairly while she who had long pined for him dies too, like oh how tragic, these loves parted; and for shock value. Much like most of Tosh's character, she's often side-lined for others and never given as much depth as she should, and I always felt this extended to her death, which unlike Owen's felt cheap.

But in his dw finale, I felt like he had understood how to bring across great heart wrenching pain which served both of the characters perfectly. First, while the Doctor is killed technically, there's no brutal wow! shock! to it, and the same goes for Yaz's exit. Yaz is given agency in her ending, if not priority as her end was less 'guaranteed' (as in we always know the doctor will die, it's the whole point). The Doctor too is given time and respect to face the unfairness, and is allowed her own agency in how she meets it.

To compare to rtd: in a word, Donna. Donna's ending is honestly whip-lash, and there were so many ways to make it an actual tragedy, and not just shock value ending. Donna had to lose her memories, fine! But why reduce her back to what she feared the most, which is a cruel bitter taste for the audience. There could have been an idea where she could keep her growth, thinking she'd gone into volunteering and ending up helping people - oods could become refugees in her mind, the shadow proclamation becoming police or something. Something that would still be so sad and devastating, seeing a woman who was so bright unable to ever stand upon the universe again and declare it safe, but something where she would still get to be the person she'd become. This or something similar would be satisfying, whereas the reduction? it's cruel. It's a creator making a journey and then smushing it because it makes the doctor more upset.

I feel like this is the thing. Chibnall has grown as a writer across the years, but so far, what's been released for rtd's new era? he's literally going back, with the same doctor; the same companion; the same initials, look and age for his newer companion. even now, to the same series number. It doesn't give me faith in his ability to grow and change at all.

[whoify]

I feel like I’m living in an alt dimension with some of these takes…. Like you can love 13 and love her era without arguing kerblam is leftist or isn’t pro capitalist. I think 13 has some really strong eps but kerblam isn’t one of them. I love Amy pond and I hate when she SA’d 11 and the end of flesh and stone (and tbf moffat has said he regrets writing that) and I also hate the framing of her infertility. These two things can exist at once.

for real 😭 like okay even if she’s not LITERALLY talking about capitalism in the systems line, the entire episode is still so like neoliberal washed. the entire premise is that the anticapitalist guy is evil and the corporation gets off with a smack on the hand. the ENTIRE REASON i put that scene next to oxygen is bc oxygen stares the issue of corporations valuing profits over people in the face and comments on it. kerblam seems like it’s going in that direction and then takes a sharp turn at the end.

and yeah, same, that comparison wasn’t meant to have anything to do with the head writers of each era. moffat didn’t write oxygen. chibnall didn’t write kerblam. i hate the politics of certain eps under moffat as well (hello kill the moon and the zygon inversion) but there’s still a lot of things i like about him as a writer. s11 is chibnall’s weakest season in my opinion and yeah it really shows in kerblam