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digitalgate02 · 1 year

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Y’know, one of the things this fandom seemed to be divided into two parts is about Frontier and Takuya’s “Dark Evolution” in the story. Some pointed it was “Vritramon rampaging phase” in the story, and some would consider “Takuya reverting into Flamon” as the dark evolution of this series.

First, what are the characteristics of Dark Evolution, according to the older three series + Savers? Mixing strong negative emotions and forcing your digimon to evolve. All cases of Dark Evolution before and after Frontier were like this. (I know, the OG Taichi was mostly by being a reckless idiot, but i like to think the novel version explained something a little more about this event)

Character has strong negative feelings and then forces their or someone else’s digimon to dark evolve into a mindless beast. – That’s how things worked in Adv’99, 02, Tamers and Savers.

(you may notice that instead of Daisuke dark evolving his partner, it’s Ken who forces a dark evolution on Taichi’s partner. Which implies yeah anyone could do that. Funny enough, Ken also fits the criteria established in those series: He is a self-absorbed and arrogant kid, so those emotions are mixed in the mix and this is why he evolves Agumon into SkullGreymon first. He only manages to get MetalGreymon virus after he cheats with his Evil/Dark Spiral. Meanwhile Daisuke lacks malice, lacks negative feelings. So he’s just a dumbass in ep 22 getting into trouble in the process.)

However, Ghost Game brought a new view of this concept by introducing GulusGammamon. As you can see, Gulus is a dark evolution (somehow) and it differs from every mindless-beast-on-rampage case we watched until now. But before going into GG take on it, I’d like to talk about the peculiar case in Adventure’s reboot series (aka Psi, or Adv:2020) first:

So, one of the things we saw in the episode from the reboot is that Taichi was getting consumed by the dark miasma around the place. We never had something like this before as well – this series was trying to “corrupt” Taichi too. The last time we saw a “tamer” corruption was on a Drama CD which was more a very weird and for fun story (this was done before the Drama CDs for digimon started to get serious stories) than something to take seriously. Anyway, the reboot was trying to corrupt Taichi first. Second is… Taichi dies for a moment which triggers Agumon’s dark evolution based on Agumon’s strong feelings (and the dark miasma, probably). This is going to be reused in Ghost Game, actually.

Now, back to Ghost Game!! Fun facts for you: Gulus is the only Gamma-form to not have a ring on his wrist/paw. Also, Gulus does not need Hiro to evolve either! But it was triggered by Gammamon’s strong feelings at first – when Bokomon died in front of him. Other cases were probably for survival in a life-or-death scenario for him or any of the trio. Gulus’ has another speech pattern from the other Gammamon forms, and the most important detail is he’s totally sentient. Gulus is more like another personality to Gammamon than being a feral beast in rampage.

But what can Ghost Game help us to decide which “dark evolution” scenario counts for Takuya/Frontier?

First of all, if we ignore Takuya for a moment, Frontier already has a “dark evolution” character – Kimura Kouichi. Duskmon and Velgmon are evil forms, and they’re purified into Loweemon and KaiserLeomon later. And heck, Kouichi himself is the “Warrior of Darkness” c’mon guys!!

BUT, Kouichi’s role is most suitable for the “redeemed villain” category. So yeah, which of Takuya’s cases suit the dark evolution criteria?

I’d like to reveal that, maybe, Frontier was ahead of its time. Because now that we got Ghost Game to break the norm and show us a new approach from this concept, it can help us here to notice Flamon was sort of a dark evolution for Takuya.

Frontier already makes clear that the Beast spirit forms cannot be controlled that easily, and I’ll shamelessly plug Shiha’s meta about everyone’s cases here in case we start the discussion about Izumi again.

So if we consider Vritramon the “dark evolution case”, you could say most of the kids in Frontier had it too. Which is odd, right?

But, if you consider Flamon an unusual dark evolution case, one like Gulus is now, it makes some sense. Dark evolution in the Digimon franchise is sort of “punishment” for not raising your digimon correctly – It’s a challenge, and you have to beat this obstacle to gain the new power/form to proceed. Dark evolution does not always mean “evil form” as well, just, as Gennai puts it in the end of Adventure, “a form not suitable for certain occasions” – So this concludes my thesis that Frontier started the unusual dark evolution forms instead.

Thank y’all for reading~

#digifood for thought #i don't own a tag for meta posts hahahaha okay sorry #digimon frontier #kanbara takuya

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analyzingadventure · 2 years

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There’s an unspoken rule where every time a Digimon devolves, they revert back to the form they originally evolved from. It’s kind of a “sister rule” to the other unspoken rule, where Digimon always evolve to the same species, if not under extreme circumstances.

But if there is an exception to one rule, should there not be the same exception for the other? If a Digimon might evolve differently under extreme circumstances, should they not devolve differently too?

For example, remember when in Psi Agumon evolved into BlitzGreymon instead of WarGreymon due to an extreme energy spike? What if when Agumon then devolved, he turned into, say, a Guilmon (same attribute and color as Blitz), since the energy spike that caused the diverging evolution hadn’t completely passed yet? Of course, maybe Agumon would then later on evolve into a regular Greymon again, and then devolve back into an Agumon, since the energy spike would be long gone.

But what if repeated diverging evolutions became permanent?

What if a Digimon began zigzaging through species each time they evolved and devolved, kind of like in Cyber Sleuth, where you can devolve your Digimon into a different species than they started from, and then evolve them into something else again, and again and again-- what would that be like? For the Digimon especially?

Or, what if the Digimon’s evolution diverged once from what it was normally, but then that evolution happened again, and again, and again-- would that cause their devolved form to change permanently?

For example, after not just the SkullGreymon incident with Taichi, but also the repeated evolution experiments with the Kaiser, what if Agumon never reverted back into an Agumon again, but devolved into a Black Agumon? What if all those evolutions fundamentally changed something about Agumon? And what would it take for all of it to be undone?

If Agumon was tortured so much by the experimentations by Kaiser -the repeated forced evolutions into an angry, raging monster- that even his devolved form would change, would that be apparent in his personality too? Would he be grumpier or angrier, sassier, more rude or downright just feral? Or, maybe just traumatized, from all the pain he had gone through?

And how would Taichi feel about that? Not just having his partner stolen and experimented on like that, but to see the still lingering pain on him like that, like a scar? How would that affect Taichi?

What would it take to undo that pain? Would enough love and theraphy make the pain go away, or would it really be a permanent scar? One they’d have to live with forever?

But... what if the permanent change didn’t require all that torture happen? What if all it took was just that one SkullGrey incident? How would that have affected Taichi?

#Text post #Not meant to be any series specific post I'm more just using the different series as examples to illustrate my point #What is my point with this?#Uhhhh something about evolution/devolution mechanics having potential for interesting storytelling #Yeah sure let's go with that

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dash-n-step · 4 months

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Had a dream that ended on me flipping through TV and stumbling on a crossover between digimon and pokemon and it was in the climax where they were facing some random villain and pulling out all the stops (including Rika card swipes and flashy animations, and a pretty bad cover of Hey Digimon because they apparently wanted to use the remake cast of adventure instead of the og) who was, like, a digimon kaiser kind of guy, and as they were right about to win it ended with a show original OC girl who brought them to save her brother who was the villain, randomly trying to force Pikachu to evolve to be stronger so then all the people from pokemon laugh because she doesn't even have a thunderstone and pokemon doesn't work like that

So then friede from horizons made a big speech about how pokemon (usually) don't have dark evolutions and you can't force yourself or others to push their limits and if something goes wrong you have to work hard and change how you approach things to overcome challenges

Anyway, his speech starts falling apart as he notices the brother's head was busted open during the fight and it turns out her brother was a robot, and she was the actual villain just trying to gain the power of both series, but the dream ended after that so I didn't actually see what happened next

I don't recall what the dream was about before the channel flipping though, but I thought the random speech and also Friede having a genesect/steel pokemon was weird, and what made me watch it in the first place was that I confused as hell was the fact that the cute wolf digimon from Appmon was interacting with Agumon in Adventure Psi's animation and multiple Terriermom were there so i thought it was *just* another digimon crossover at first

#dashingposts #dashingdreams

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kyanitedragon · 9 months

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What animes would you recommend to aromantics?

It's going to be all old anime on this list, as I haven't watched anime and especially new anime in a while. But maybe I'll be mentioning some that you've never heard of...?

(Also. I'll include triggers warnings but uh... my taste in media veers quite dark so... keep that in mind. I'm aware that's not for everyone.)

First recomendation isn't an anime, it's a j-drama, but I recomend it to every single aromantic.

It's called Koisenu Futari, which translates to "Two People Who Can't Fall In Love". It's an 8-episode series about two aroace people that meet and decide to live together and form a family without romance or sex. And surprisingly, the show focuses a lot more on the aromantic side of their identities than the asexual side. The series deals with so many aromantic issues, from unwanted romance advancements to "everyone falls in love!" to coming out to your family to finding aspec meet groups. The two aroace main characters are also very different from each other, so its really nice to see the diversity of aroaces portrayed. They're also adults, one in her late 20's or early 30's, and the other around 40. I even more so recommend this to adult aromantics, as we don't usually see that kind of rep. But I think even teens can get something out of it, perhaps seeing some potential futures for them in a world that doesn't make that easy to figure out.

Now, onto the anime!

Saiki Kusuo no PSI nan is a comedy anime. Each episode is split into different skits, and many of them feature the main character Saiki wanting nothing to do with romance or sex. It was and still is extremely relatable to me, and I read him as aroace, even if it was likely not intentional. It's also legit the funniest thing I have ever watched. The show is also so chaotic. The characters talk ridiculously fast, Saiki has every single super power you can think of, and all the other characters have such entertaining and wacky traits. It's very unique and a really great time.

Monthly Girls' Nozaki-kun is another comedy show featuring a very aroace-coded main character. I especially recommend this anime for aspecs who are artists, as this character is an artist too and in the series you see quite a bit of relatable overlap between that and his aspec-coded-ness. The series is technically a romance, as the main girl is in love with the aroace-coded main guy, but its kind of more of a subplot? And it never veers into unwanted attention; the main character is somewhere between romance neutral or romance favorable.

Digimon is about a group of kids that become chosen and bonded to creatures from another world. These creatures are essentially their soulmates, and they have to learn to work together and save the world. Not only do they end up bonding and becoming friends over time, but the kids also go on character arcs about or related to real world issues. Parents' divorce, adoption, the responsibility of being an older sibling, depression, etc. It's a kid's anime, but they go pretty deep and heavy on these subjects while remaining kid-friendly.

There's 10 seasons, but each are basically their own independent series, with the exception of seasons 1 & 2 and the theatrical movies which are all connected in one universe. The rest all take place in different universes with new and different casts. So you can watch any of them you like, in any order. They all have very different feels to them, so it depends on what your preferences are. Adventure is very character-driven and 2000's anime, Tamers is dark and is the only series to feature perma-deaths, Frontier has a very Sentai feel to it, Appmon is episodic that slowly builds to a big plot by the end, Ghost Game is purely episodic and kids' horror. The majority of them are romance free, and the few others only have small subplots about crushes that usually don't go anywhere.

Ajin is romance-free seinen that's dark fantasy! It's about a young man who discovers he's immortal and cannot die, and suddenly two factions want him on their side, when he just wants to have a normal life, and he reluctantly gets dragged into fighting for a chance at having a normal life again. The main character has low empathy and its treated very respectfully. There's also an extremely interesting villain who comes up with really clever plans. The anime is two seasons, with season 2 being anime-original and not following the manga, but its not bad. The manga is finished now, and its got quite a few more arcs following the equivalent of season 2, if you're interested in more.

Trigger warnings for: Gore, death, and suicide. The majority of characters can revive, so there's a lot of that, and as a result it's not treated too seriously, which might make those themes better or worse depending on your sensitivity. There's a lot of suicide "resets" in the series, so keep that in mind.

Chainsaw Man is a dark fantasy shounen that really pushes "shounen" as far as it can go. It's known for being extremely horny, and it is, but its horny in not only a very respectful and consenual way, but also in a very aromantic-friendly way. Unfortunetly it takes a bit of time for it to set up and then invert those shounen tropes, and currently the anime only has one season and it really doesn't cover much of the series. It's a great season, don't get me wrong, but all the really good stuff hasn't happened yet. And all the moments that aromantics especially would like, don't happen until much later. That said, if you're looking for a new and ongoing show to keep track of, keep your eye on Chainsaw Man!

The plot is, on one hand, exactly what you expect from the title. A man who turns into a chainsaw monster and fights other monsters. But the series goes so much deeper than that, inverting shounen tropes, and becoming so chaotic and unexpected. Even if you've gotten spoiled, don't worry, the series isn't ruined for you. There's still plenty of surprises and enjoyment in store, I promise.

Trigger Warnings: Gore, body horror, child grooming throughout but framed as bad, one scene of an adult nearly sleeping with a minor that's framed pretty neutrally imo (in the anime its the end of episode 7 and start of episode 8, and in the manga its chapters 21 and 22), cannibalism, occasional tasteful barely-censored nudity, lots of mentions of boobs and desire to have sex, and a few barely-censored orgy pages

Mild Spoilers but as an aro here's my favorite thing about the series: The series features a m/f relationship that starts out slightly sexual, becomes platonic, and by the end they become and explicitly declare that it is platonic/familial.

Other Recommendations:

I have yet to see these two myself, but I've heard good things about Dr Stone and Bloom Into You. Dr Stone has been compared to Saiki Kusuo in which the protagonist of Doctor Stone also tries hard to avoid romance and comes off as very aro-coded. Bloom Into You features a WLW romance in which one of the girls coming off as very arospec.

Well-written and interesting romances that I've enjoyed:

Erased (Boku dake ga inai machi) is a psychological thriller that is somehow both a romance and not a romance. (Mild spoilers but: They don't actually end up together in the end.) It's about a guy who goes back in time to stop a girl in his class from getting kidnapped and murdered. Him and his friend group end up becoming genuine friends with her in the process, and the rest of the series is about keeping her safe, helping her get out of her abusive home, them all just having fun together as kids, and of course the inevitable confrontation with the kidnapper. There's definitely elements of the two kids having probably-crushes on each other, but its on the more subtle side. Still, I figured I'd put this in the "romance" category anyway. The friend group is cute, but it's not quite on same level of found family as the other series I've mentioned. The show is mainly about the main two kids and their relationship.

Trigger Warnings: Brief bloody stabbing of an adult in Episode 1, kidnapping, child murder, physical and emotional abuse of a young child, and lots of child endangerment as a result of all this. There's also a young adult man being shipped in-series with a teenage girl by other adults, and (mild spoilers) lowkey implied they get together at the end when she's now an adult due to time travel shenagins.

Yuri On Ice features a slow burn MLM couple (one of which who can be read as arospec and/or acespec), as well as a teenager who comes off as pretty alloaro. In the MLM relationship, there's so much trust and affection in their relationship, and so much acceptance and willingness from the partner to take their relationship slow.

Noragami has three main romances and they're all straight, but each and every one is very interestingly-written and well-written. The main characters and main couple does feature a supernatural age gap, though, which I know makes some people uncomfortable. It's about a teenage girl who has a near-death experience and ends up discovering the world of gods and ghosts that exists alongside humanity. It starts out cute and comedic with her exploring this world and befriending them, but it ends up becoming a bit more complex and dark than it first appears.

Trigger Warning: Mild monster gore and monster body horror, themes of suicide and death as the series features a lot of ghosts, and tbh the series' interpretation of what happens to victims of suicide is... not great... and one of my few issues with the series. It's not a major aspect, but its there, and I could definitely see how that would be triggering for people who are sensitive to those themes or have that real-life worry about the afterlife, so just be mindful and careful if that's applicable to you.

Manga-Only Recommendations:

These last two are a bit... unique... of recommendations when it comes to their anime.

The Promised Neverland: The story is romance-free, and focuses on a found family of orphanage kids, along with a few adults and more orphans they pick up along the way.

The story is about an orphanage that's just a front for basically farming human kids for "demons" to eat. The kids find out and try to escape, so the first chunk of the story is about them figuring that out. It's a whole psychological thriller of a mind game as they play dumb while plotting a secret escape. Season 1 is actually a masterpiece and fully and near-perfectly adapts this part of the story.

Season 2 is where the remainder of the story is cut apart and shoved into 12 episodes and is a mess. (Like, they litterally cut out the Fan Favorite arc. The entire arc. Why. Also they remove like 30 characters.) Meanwhile in the manga, this is a several arc long story in which the kids have successfully escaped, but now they need to figure out how to survive and what to do next. The world gets a lot bigger and more complicated.

Trigger Warnings: Cannibalism, very young child death, child endangerment, gore, and body horror

Tokyo Ghoul: There are quite a lot of couples in this story, but this manga has always been unique to me, in the sense that the couples are well-written and likable, and yet there's very little actual romance to them, so it never triggered my romance repulsion. There's also a giant cast of well-written characters, most of them recurring, and an incredible amount of interactions between characters. It's honestly my favorite little thing about the series.

As for plot... It's a Seinen Dark Fantasy featuring a young human man, who's turned into a ghoul, a creature that can only feed on human flesh. Suddenly he finds himself a part of a different society, and has to learn and adapt, and he discovers along the way that "ghouls" aren't the monsters they're made out to be, and he ends up having a really giant found family at the end after starting out with only 1 friend.

And as for the anime... please just skip it and read the manga instead. Save yourself the headache. Season 1 is decent but still has issues. Season 2 is entirely anime-original, cutting out tons of content and characters and character developments and even changing character fates. Then season 3 pretends like Season 2 was an accurate adaptation, so it never gives context for all the story that was skipped, and anime-only fans are incredibly lost. Additionally, season 3 is ridiculously rushed, at a high chapter-to-episode rate, and also doesn't have great animation as a whole. Please just read the manga. Its the entire story and the art especially in part 2 (Tokyo Ghoul:re) is absolutely gorgeous.

(Also sort-of-self-promo but, I had fun with the blog @tokyoghoulaspecs in which I essentially made aspec headcanons for each and every character in the series.)

Trigger Warnings for: Lots of cannibalism, gore, body horror, themes of depression and suicide / suicide idealation

#aspec #aromantic #anime #asks

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