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chitinleg · 1 year

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"Mister Bashir, what a pleasure it is to finally meet you."

Julian, why in god's name would you invite him to play the villain?

#my art #ds9 #julian bashir #elim garak #star trek deep space nine #garashir #image desc in alt text #pencil #ok so on the outset it may look to some viewers as though julian invited garak to play the villain to get dommed by the scary lizard #this is not the case. not in my heart #in my heart julian felt a burst of something funny when Garak asked him ''what if you'd killed me''#and he responded ''what makes you think i wasn't trying'' and garaks face blooms into a sudden understanding and respect. ooh.#That's that heady shit. catching garak off guard. ooooh. that's that High Quality Endorphins Happening. but. gotta pack that up for later #(he will not unpack that later) because garak also just threatened to kill 5 of his friends who are STILL IN DANGER. NO TIME FOR THIS.#so after everything. and MONTHS after OMB. he invites garak to something like a playful rematch. sort of.#after all theres only so long that garak can stomach being a sidekick u know? he needs to be able to do his own machinations.#so they make a character for him thats a villain. a little more cerebral than falcon. a little more ambiguous in his motivations.#now there's also. a secret game at play here (there are always games. doctor) and its actually between garak and his own self #you see garak Also wants bashir to defeat his character. he also wants to be shocked. challenged. a little dismantled even (state forbid!)#and because garak wants that for himself? hes going to fight tooth and fucking nail to make sure it doesn't happen.#that Gayle clip from ''COMPANY IS COMING'' but its garak yelling ''WE CAN'T LET THEM KNOW WE [WANT]!!!''#and its a horrible idea for both of them but. oh so so exciting #you understand.#these rituals arent intricate so much as they are transparent but all encompassing. a fish doesnt know its swimming in water until its out #you understand? you understand.#thank you to anyone who found the time to read these tags i hope you enjoyed yourself and/or found what you were looking for #also garak is dressed so boring bc hes hiding himself u know how it is

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a-most-beloved-fool · 13 days

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by the way, what the fuck is up with DS9 ep The Begotten? The one with the changeling baby and Dr. Mora. Because, to me, it felt like the intended 'moral' of the episode was, "actually you should forgive your abusers if they're your parental figure because actually they just wanted what was best for you and therefore shouldn't be held responsible for Literally Torturing You when you were too young to know anything. And besides, how can you not forgive them when they're so sad about you being no-contact with them? Can't you see that they love you?? Aren't you being cruel for refusing to forgive them for their mistakes?"

Also, this all happened when our first introduction to Dr. Mora involved Odo literally dissociating and becoming violent because he was caused So Much Distress by the presence of the man who tortured him (which they also handled pretty poorly, imo). And then they want you to forgive him, and Odo to forgive him?

Excuse me??? That's fucked up??? I'm not crazy for reading it that way, am I?? Other people see this too??

Like, Mora abused Odo. Full stop. It wasn't even corporal punishment - which, may I remind you, unequivocally does not help kids, there have been STUDIES - it was. fuckin. tossing Odo into a Pain Machine in order to make him angry enough to leave or lash out. When Odo was too young and gooey to know or understand why he was in pain, just that he was. And then used him as entertainment for the Cardassian soldiers.

This is Not forgiveness territory. In no way does it make sense for Odo to forgive that man, and if he does, it should be framed as a horror story. It is a horror story.

They seem to paint the episode as some sort of feel-good flick?? The conclusion appears to be a ✧compromise✧ between Odo's and Mora's respective parenting philosophies, where Mora is like, 'I see, being Nice to children does help them, when used alongside Physical Pain', and Odo is like, 'I now forgive you for causing me Physical Pain when I was naught but goo because I, too, am causing pain to this. literal infant goo child. and I find it satisfying, or something. because abuse is fun i guess when it causes the goo to react'.

So, you're telling me that the resolution to this abusive parental relationship. Is by illustrating for us the cycle of abuse. And this is a good thing? Is that what I'm getting here?

What the fuck? No, really, what the FUCK. My first watch I spent the whole episode literally gritting my teeth I was so mad. There is not a single character who engenders more violent rage in me than Dr. Mora, entirely because of how DS9 handled that episode. Like holy hell. What the fuck.

#star trek: my favorite show with some of the Worst Fucking Episodes on the planet.#sometimes it does so great and sometimes it does. that.#like who thought this was a good idea. what happened. there's no way in hell i'm the only one who interprets it like this.#also nitpicky but I am not convinced that sisko would actually be That Uncaring about a baby. I know the baby is goo #but sisko is a baby guy. he loves babies. no way he's going to say 'yeah starfleet says you need results so please torture the child'#he'd be like 'omg! a baby! please take all the time you need and love and cherish it and we'll just wait for your data'#and then he'd tell starfleet to get bent #y'know?#also to be clear: i do know mora was under pressure from the cardassians. odo still doesn't owe him forgiveness #especially because if i remember right Mora never really Apologized. he was like 'i'm sorry you feel hurt'#and never 'i'm sorry. i hurt you.' there's a difference there. he never really acts as though he did anything wrong #star trek #star trek ds9 #star trek deep space nine #deep space nine #ds9 #odo #star trek odo #ds9 odo #dr. mora #the begotten #tw: abuse #tw: child abuse

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quarks-pussy · 1 year

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So I know we here at Startrekfandom love that "came back wrong but from the pov of the wrong" thing and apply it to many different characters and canon situations and I am far from trying to complain about it (I'm "came out wrong" trope myself so I was always gonna obsess over it) but having recently watched a very important episode (you'll know which one) for the first time I think there's a character who hits both tropes mentioned but llike, intertwined, opposite and subverted, and whom I wanna talk about.

Julian Bashir.

From his parents' pov he's "came out wrong but we got him help and he came back better" while from his own pov it's "came out 'insufficient', was destroyed for it, came back wrong and only later slowly came to terms with his new self tho never the process (justifiably so)" and it's heartbreaking because in a way, he's right! Jules Bashir died! His parents had an intellectually disabled child and decided to eugenics him! Julian is not the person he used to be and while I do love the person he is now, that doesn't bring back who he was! Part of me wishes we could've gotten to see Jules at least once and part of me hopes we never do because my heart would shatter.

This isn't a good comparison but nonetheless one I can't help drawing: it's giving similar vibes to anti-vaxxers. "I'd rather risk having a child who is dead than one who's autistic". Obviously this doesn't map over since Julian is still autistic and the procedure his parents subjected him to specifically targeted his intellectual disability and if any folks with id wanna comment on this I definitely recommend you listen to them over me, but it's a similarity I, as an autistic who has encountered anti-vaxxers again and again, can't help but point out. "Give me a normal child or give them death."

This may have been written about already but there needs to be stories about teenage Julian (after finding out and rediscovering who he was) practicing some good ol' recognition of the self through media. I need to hear about how he would encounter a story about someone who came back wrong (I'm gonna assume there's plenty of "wrong" pov stories floating around by the 24th century) and absolutely weep. I need to see Julian mourning Jules, taking years and years to process his feelings, experiencing guilt about how he, the imposter, didn't deserve to live Jules' life.

Came back wrong from the returned's pov but it wasn't an accident. It was done to you deliberately by the people who claim to love you. And now you are here, piloting the corpse of your predecessor.

Jules Bashir is dead. Long live Julian Bashir.

#i've called julian jules before simply as a normal nickname but i don't think i ever will again. not after this #and knowing that if it had been possible i would have probably gone the way jules did. knowing that at his age i would have gone willingly.#fuck dude i am literally actually crying literal tears irl right now this is not a joke #fuck!!!!!#julian bashir #jules bashir #doctor bashir i presume #came back wrong #star trek deep space nine #HE WAS SIX YEARS OLD!! HE WAS SIX YEARS OLD AND THEY KILLED HIM!!!!#i cannot stop crying i am literally crying and like not even just a little #i cannot... poor julian how the FUCK do you ever come to terms with something like that #and like... julian remembers. he has most if not all of jules' memories and also knows he was murdered simply for not being julian #like how did he cope #(im about to go off on a tangent that will contain censored names for the sake of not clogging those tags if you dont know who i mean hmu)#like this is literally the thing that fucked up j*ran so bad he went on a murder spree isn't it #he remembers the one who came before who was killed. very different circumstances of course esp since tr*ll are expected to replace one ano #another but he remembers this person he remembers BEING this person who was young and simply enjoying life and who died a sudden death and #he remembers the experience of that death as well and how it lead to his own creation. it's not remotely similar ofc but considering that #the only time we see t*rias in alpha canon is in julian's body... i need to lie down for a moment.#and jor*n couldn't cope! he couldn't! it was far too much and the weird thing is right now in this moment i GET it y'know?? like that's #so horrific. and i haven't watched any jo*an episode besides facets yet but do you think. do you think j*dzia told julian about all this an #he nodded along and kept composure and then when he was alone he broke down crying? like julian you're doing SO well ily you're coping and #you shouldn't have to obviously but you do nonetheless!! do you think julian still has something from jules? like i've heard there's a tedd #but i mean jules prolly didn't keep a diary he was a six year old with an intellectual disability it's pretty unlikely he could write but #does julian have drawings made by jules? i'd like to think so but honestly his parents probably threw them out. like they also moved so #sorry i'm just. many thoughts head full. ive stopped crying now but who knows for how long. also i'll have to tag this with my original tag #maybe i should've picked something less silly for when i make serious posts but like what am i gonna change my url as well? don't think so #original posts fresh from quark's pussy #and thats the tag limit folks it's been fun. i had to delete two other tags but my god. anyway. thinking about jules bashir forever & cryin

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graff-aganda · 1 month

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I need the cost of international shipping to go down right now and I'm NOT joking........ please. 😊🙏

#i found some of those retro star trek 9“ figures/dolls with the detailed clothing and theyre only like $12 each.#but the shipping is like $50 PER FIGURE. 😨😨😨#and something something bc of the ebay international shipping program they cant do combined shipping and need to send them all off-#seperately anyway 😢😔#but yeah damn. theres some stuff over here in aus but most of the good stuff is from overseas #*gripping the bars of my enclosure* they have a jadzia figure available.... . . .#i cant manage to find her elsewhere. they also have bashir. i CAN find him here but the only listing is in a three pack with some minor-#characters for like $120 😭😭😭#grafftalk #delete later #sidenote does anyone know if there was ever a playmates brand quark 9-incher made...#ive had a little look around but all i can find are the new Mego brand ones #and the thing is like. well #idk how but they seemed to have really fucked up his face. 😭 it looks okay in a bunch of the model photos #but the actual thing in the pack you get is just. wrong. horrible. off. narsty...

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mistergreatbones · 6 months

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The other day me and my parents were chit chatting about Star Trek and I made fun of them for being such geeks they already knew Spock’s mother was a human and they were like “that’s just common pop culture knowledge, even people who didn't watch the show know that”. They're literally that one meme wait hold on.

Literally this.

#no most people do not know what a tribble or that Kirk and Uhura was the first biracial kiss or that Bones’ real name is McCoy #actually the average non-Trekkie probably doesn’t know who Bones is at all #star trek tos #star trek #and these are just casual fan stuff! a real Trekkie could tell you lore that would completely fly over their heads!#trekkies #there are people who dont know what a mind meld is and THAT melts my mind #bones' bitching hours #i fixed the tags based on that one person's comment :)

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aceofwands · 2 months

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idk man I just think of all the franchises you could try to make the Next Big Thing by creating a bunch of new shows and movies, maybe don't pick the one with the notoriously nitpicky obsessed with canon fandom ?? if you don't plan on applying any sort of consistency to the world, characters, alien cultures, entire ethical and moral framework of the universe, etc etc ????

#I'm reluctant to tag this as star trek and get a bunch of angry folks coming at me #though also lbr SW isn't looking too crash hot these days either for the same reasons #but yes this is about that snw trailer #and the section 31 trailer #and all of the new Kurtzman Trek era lbr #like if you like the new stuff then you do you bestie #I've been enjoying Prodigy myself!!!#but I've bounced off every other show pretty hard after each first season #because the simultaneous disregard of FUNDAMENTAL aspects of the universe / established characters and lore #while also religiously adhering to SOME of the established canon (mostly the newly established stuff)#has been driving me up the wall #hell even Prodigy has been hard now they've set it up to lead into Picard #like no thanks I don't accept any version of events where Bev never tells Jean Luc about their son and goes to raise him alone #like they make all the stupidest shit canon and adhere to it #while also making say being a Vulcan a matter of DNA rather than cultural upbringing #nevermind literally half a dozen other shows which show that's NOT how that works #I am genuinely curious how many folks like me have bounced off the new stuff never to return lol #(though okay I do keep up with trailers and sometimes reviews to see if it sounds worth coming back for which it never does)#or only watched bits and pieces #and are meanwhile enjoying their eighth or ninth or twenty second rewatch of TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT #like do they really have the numbers showing up to even watch this new stuff???#lower decks was the most popular it seemed and that's ending #but I can't help but think that if they'd stuck to the quality storytelling and a more or less coherent established universe #that were ... you know ... the defining aspects of the franchise ....#that they might have actually succeeded at finding a new audience looking for prestige science fiction television

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bumblingbabooshka · 26 days

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thoughts on saavik?

I don't know anything about Saavik v_v I really love these two posts about her though! X and X I think about these posts often and whenever I do I feel like I want to draw!

#Q&A #I think this is the third time someone's asked me my thoughts on Saavik #which is interesting since I thought she was a fairly niche character - is there just something about her that makes people go #'Oh Bea would like this guy'#Or is it just that I'm on the more 'underrated yet prominent Vulcan' side of tumblr with my Tuvokposting??#anon #all I know about Saavik comes from other people who draw art about her I haven't seen any of the actual material #so I do like her but I don't have actual personal substance in my liking of her!#I think she's in one of the movies? I'd watch it but 'Watching ENT for T'Pol Knowledge' is kind of next on my 'Do It For Her' list #and has been for several months so you know - it's hard for me. When I could just be rewatching Voyager v_v #ENT really is so tough to watch. It's really hard going from VOY to '3 white guys and 1 sexy girl' and the whole series feels like army #propaganda somehow...like uh 'top gun' or something. Something about the distinctly American Machismo?#Like these three men are hardcore Patriots #I'd say 'these four men' but they don't let Travis speak bc he's not white or a hot lady so I don't know what his deal is #Idk it just doesn't feel like Star Trek to me it feels so cold and gray and hostile but I'll work my way through it I'm sure #got way of topic in these notes but that's alright v_v

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catgirljaneway · 11 months

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Master Voyager Ship Tierlist

I present to you the fruits of my labor, a Star Trek Voyager ship tierlist including as many ships and rarepairs I could think of. Please do it and reblog with your answers! It would bring me joy

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thresholdbb · 6 months

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You know what I like? Star Trek

#had a conversation with my sister today and kept denigrating my current passion and lifestyle but like... maybe don't do that?#listen ok I've been trying to be cool my whole life #and I have failed cause at my core I am just not a chill person #shamelessly leaning into something that I like isn't something I did openly before #and honestly? it's changed me for the better #low key it's the reason I don't have a real job right now #because I've been miserable in every structured job I've had (except for maybe college teaching)#and the last conversation I had with my grandpa before he died he asked me if I was happy because that's all that mattered #and while this little shift in existence is ridiculous in the grand scheme of what I've accomplished in my life #and hustling is harder than just showing up and getting a paycheck #and however much I'm not meeting my parents' vision of my potential #I am closer to actually being able to answer his question honestly than ever before #also it led to the wild neurodivergent revelations #so being able to declare openly that I like something is already a shift #and being able to engage with people who are honestly the most open kindest group I've ever encountered?#amazing #cause I'm actually a mega loner who barely talks to people #I'm honestly so glad I got lost in the delta quadrant cause without boyager I wouldn't have come to these conclusions #so yeah I'm kinda really into Star Trek #and if you've read this I'm sure you already know how severely uncool and locked into this I am but alas I can confirm by talking inthe tags #en fin

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strangenewwords · 10 months

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New Fic - impulse

Chapter 1 o' 6

Rated E for not everyone, although there's no smut in this bit.

Just some burns et al. So if that squicks you, dun read it.

James T. Kirk is the Sub-commander of the Ti'Mur, serving under his commanding officer Captain Spock. An attack by Klingon raiders brings unintended consequences, further entwining the lives of both.

The idea was all @flippyspoon, not mine. I just ran away with it.

#star trek fanfic #spirk #k/s #kirk x spock #spirk fanfiction #star trek the original series #star trek #fuck i never know what to put in these #no i couldn't wait to post #but moving the scenes around actually works better #i don't actually have any idea what I'm doing #but i get more practice each go round #love to you all

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anotherpapercut · 1 year

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CORRECT THANK YOU FOR SHARING

#submission #I actually have seen this meme because someone sent it to my supervisor at some point and she showed it to all of us ajdbkajs #working with a bunch of gay autistic math nerds fucking rules lmfao y'all have no idea #one of my bosses is super into sci fi and is also a math teacher and puts star trek and firefly and buffy and hitchhikers guide etc etc #references in EVERYTHING he makes. I took a math class from him once and all of the test questions were about some fuckin show #whenever he runs meetings he asks us questions based on star trek usually. recently in a meeting he asked us to choose the best captain #I'm one of only like 3 people who watches all of this shit so I looove going to meetings when he runs them #bc he'll ask some fuckin question like who's the best star trek captain. and the 3 of us who knows what's going on will just start arguing #while everyone else looks around like what the fuck is going on right now (this one always gets the newbies)#my ALL TIME favorite Jake moment tho was when I was there one night and there were no students so we were all just hanging out #and Jake walks out of his office and he looks kind of annoyed. and he's a big dude like super tall and broad and loud as hell #so I can hear him like mumbling shit all annoyed and I'm like hey Jake what's up? you doin ok?#and he sighed and was like no. the schools internet filter started blocking my FAVORITE board game forum #and now when I have a thought I can't just look it up to see if anyone's said anything about it. and that's like ALL I do. it's so annoying #and I was like Jake maybe that's why they blocked it akddjkansbdjsdbebs #god I love that dude. and this barely mentions my other supervisor who is autistic and pansexual and married to a woman #and both of them foster several kids. Jake has like 10 fuckin kids or smth bc he was fostering a couple of kids and then he got married #and she already had children and then they had a baby together. idk he's got like a whole baseball team they're very cute

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quarks-pussy · 1 year

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Marinler wedding but when the priest says "you may now kiss the bride" Mariner dips him

#he's blushing very hard after btw #marinler #beckett mariner #brad boimler #bradward boimler #i am having Thoughts ok #also apparently this is my first time posting about marinler on this blog?? weird. but yea #also thing about marinler is i do not actually need them to be canon and will not be upset if they aren't. like i'd enjoy if they were but #either way is fine. compare to tendiford which while i do not NEED to be canon in the strictest sense i literally always assumes was 100% g #going to be canon. note that i started with hear all trust nothing (i like quark ok. in case you couldn't tell from the url) and then watch #watched the whole show linerarly after. and i didn't even know their names yet but by the end of the ep i was like 'oh so these two are end #endgame ok cool' and i have only started to ship them more since. but that just as an aside.#i mean this is literally a one sentence marinler post yet here i am telling you my tendiford history but whatever that's who i am now. also #i don't think this has a shot at being canon but i would very much enjoy if all four of them became a polycule. possibly plus t'lyn. yea.#anyway #ld #star trek #lower decks #star trek lower decks #lwd #st lwd #original posts fresh from quark's pussy

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rexscanonwife · 1 year

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Messy toony doodle! 💛

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arttsuka · 16 days

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have you watched star trek tng

No :')

And it's not because i don't want to or I think I won't like it or anything, it's just so long. 7 seasons (178 episodes, ≈130 hours). The longest series I've watched was star trek tos (79 episodes, ≈66 hours).

I'm just not made for long series. I tend to want to watch everything as quickly as possible because I'll lose interest if I can't interact with the fandom. And interacting with the fandom = spoilers.

#that's literally a me problem I'm aware but what can I do #I really struggled with Merlin too (65 episodes)#the only reason I managed my tos full rewatch was because I've seen half of the episodes before and I didn't have to pay that much attentio #to the ones I've seen #Hopefully one day in the future I'll have enough free time to actually watch tng #did you know I usually spend more that 2 hours drawing everyday if I can help it? usually at night. after midnight. it's more quiet #ask #anonymous #star trek #star trek tng #star trek the next generation #not art #text #also unfortunately I can't just sit through more than one episodes without having a break #so yeah #time flies #I've actually only ever watched tos and tas (and the tos +aos movies minus the last tos movie...)#also let's keep in mind these episodes are long too. almost an hour long. that's all

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vulpinesaint · 8 months

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lore star trek character of all time btw. he's just like me for real

#have i watched all of tng? no! but i have watched the like. two/three episodes that he is actually in so i think i'm caught up lmao #i just. well. god. i don't even know how to verbalize it #boy who is words-based and identifies with lucifer paradise lost when he sees data's fucked up awesome brother #his resentment at his creator for making him imperfectly but also for Not Loving Him. making him Too Imperfect To Love.#the way that he continually reaches out to data even when he's doing things to actively sabotage him #so that it's CLEAR that he cares. clear that he's acting and thinking a certain way to head off all the care that he's been burdened with #you Have to care about someone in order to be angry that they don't care about you.#cause wouldn't it be so much easier for him if he didn't care about dr. soong? if he didn't care about data?#but continually he's taking the time nd the risk to reach out to data. to ask him to join him. to offer to stay together.#because he's LONELY and because he CARES.#and god is it really his fault that he was created this way?#his last words being 'i love you brother'... i go INSANE.#valentine notes #star trek tng #lore star trek

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pilots-and-protons · 1 year

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Wish I had time to hone adequate gif-making skills which would be easier if I wasn’t packing to move

Because I personally feel like there should be a series-spanning, comprehensive gifset of Tom Paris Doing Medic Stuff and there isn’t and I don’t have the time/energy/abilities to make one. :/

#tom paris #star trek #voy #voyager #st: voy #just thinking of him doing some stuff #in Cathexis when the Doctor went offline #helping Kes give birth in the alt timeline #in Before and After #and of course all the stuff #in season 4 onward #when he's ACTUALLY an official medic #and especially fond of him #helping in Friendship One #just good Medic Tom Paris content #you know?

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