#i hope this doesn't feel like discourse god pls

[sasukimimochi]

i wanna ramble about my view on JC but i'm so bad at words

so like, i see posts where people talk about these things JC does or WWX holds back from, i don't wanna go searching but also want to leave these details out cuz i don't want to accidentally call people out cuz that is not my intention (not that i have the audience to do something like that) so i'm just gonna go from my memory and kinda summarize what i think abt him...

gonna add a read more line bc this gets long!

Uh, btw please no hostility i'm not trying to start arguments, these are just my thoughts i really wanted to get out there. i'm definitely no therapist or psychologist so take this with a grain of salt, this is the view of just an average reader who retains a lot of info [tho still manages to miss details at times]. Anyway if you have info you think i should have addressed, reply and i'll make additions if i agree/want to expand on the info presented to me!

So, WWX and JC have a weird thing going on, it's not exactly brothers but they definitely wanted that, the reason why i say they aren't solidly brothers is because i'm pretty sure Madam Yu has influenced JC from the start of his arrival which is why he doesn't call wwx a-xian or Wei Ying or A-Ying- Why he doesn't allow himself to let loose properly around anyone even in private, why he constantly scolds wwx, etc. i believe firmly he's been quite influenced by his parents due to him being the next sect heir and the pressure that comes from it, as well as what he feels like madam yu is correct on- wwx is uncle jiang's favorite.

Madam Yu still chides Yanli for doing domestic acts for WWX but not on the same level as JC, who is constantly under pressure by her to be the perfect heir to the sect. She wants him to be better than WWX, which of course affects all of the family but Yanli gets left out of the fire a bit, which i think is what gives her such a strength to do these supportive acts for the brothers [and why she's also both the brother's favorite. She's basically the mom they wish for. Supportive, understanding, and helps mediate them]. Though this is a burden she has to bear, it's not that big of a burden to her because she loves the two so much.

Jiang Fengmian... i might be spelling his name wrong, so i'll call him Uncle Jiang cuz it will be faster for me to type with no mistakes haha. Anyway, I have complicated feelings about him.

At first i thought he was great and did no wrong, but that was on my first pass and when i had just watched the donghua only. My opinion of him since i read the novel isn't bad, but it's not super good. He's in a complicated position! There's only so much he can do about his wife, they argue super often and while its not usually crazy loud, it's pretty intense. [also, i'm not sure if separation is really a thing that happened back then, i think that's really a modern thing.] I feel like we're likely seeing Uncle Jiang's will to fight dimmed down by the wear of time.

Consider: you have a family member who won't ever listen to what you say, regardless how sound your argument is- you can be completely in the right and have all the facts, but no matter how long you press on, the result never changes. Do you put in the same amount of effort for the rest of your life? No! You understand that no matter how much you argue that their answer will remain the same. I personally have a family member like this, and while i defend myself regularly, it does not go anywhere. That is the nature of some people, no matter what they may not treat your view with the respect it deserves.

anyway back to the main line here, i dont think wwx is wrong about what he said regarding JF to JC. "he's just hard on you cuz you're going to be sect leader" or whatever it was along those lines- WWX does not seem like the type to lie to make someone feel better and i think this is why JC appreciates that conversation so much (besides the heartfelt twin prides which is obviously something that stuck to him for a long time). And i agree, JF is definitely trying to prepare Jiang Cheng for his position as sect leader one day.

do i think Uncle Jiang is completely guilt free of favoritism? No absolutely not, he canonically holds wwx more as a child, which i think is hard to argue against- but i do think the context of that is missed in part by most. WWX may have been a bright kid with sun shining out his ass but he was also a scared kid that just got rescued off the streets after his parents never came home. A kid that was fighting for food from dogs and likely starving and scared because he was on the street for like 5 years [if i remember it was from age 4 to 9 in the novel]. Of course he got held a bit more- i can't imagine he would be completely unphased immediately upon arrival, at least with his Uncle Jiang who was totally willing to provide him comfort- which wwx probably desperately missed from his now dead parents. We know canonically that the memory of those parents, however small, is unreplaceable and dear to wwx- but having JF treat him dearly is truly a balm to what has happened to him.

I'm not gonna say JC didn't go through things that made him cry and want to be held, in fact if WWX came into the house and suddenly got a lot of attention, it's going to feel pretty shitty for JC! Of course this combined with abruptly losing his privacy and puppies was what initially had him pushing the other away, but as you could see, after WY breaks his leg after running off and they make up, they get really close and despite this looming responsibility and family troubles, the two are very bonded. imo making them look like 6 year olds in the donghua is an injustice to their relationship, because 9 year olds tend tend to have more emotional intelligence (?) at that age. I'm not sure how to phrase that, but basically making them look younger and act like giggling children took away from the scene a bit for me lol. Jc is old enough to realize he doesn't dislike wwx! This isn't a child quickly getting over his anger, he's young here yes, but he's decided in this moment that he cares about this new member of the family, despite being called the son of a servant. [which yes madam yu is once again influencing his view of this segregation but i think he is much better at ignoring this particular in his youth]

I am rambling more than i thought i would lmao- i have a lot of feelings about their relationship and i think it's skipped over so much

um, i'm not sure which direction i was going in before i went onto the parents. Let's skip forward.

lotus pier fell and not only did JC see wwx get humiliated and whipped and nearly disfigured, his mother who he was about to lose blamed wwx for so much. When you lose a family member you have an attachment to, whether it bad or good, this influences your thoughts about them and with no way to resolve said thoughts. i find this hard to explain, so i'm just going to hope you understand what i'm referring to here. Especially in ancient china though, i believe it's a big thing to hold such a high regard for your parents, but especially if they have passed? i can't say this is fact but i believe that is the case i just am sticking to my memory here. So these things in combination with Trauma, i believe starts this heavy, negative emotion in JC that is hard to unstick.

JC and WWX may get into a one-sided scuffle but soon after they cry together like children. They just experienced hundreds of lives lost- people they grew up with and trained with and cared for as well as the people who provided and cared for them- their family was unstable, but still was a family and support system- now they had only two people and one of them was far away, the one that was typically their pillar. I feel like a lot of people hold JC to an impossible standard in his situation- having a bad day and taking it out on someone is one thing, going through a traumatic massacre i think allows someone to get a bit unreasonable [though of course nearly choking him was quite far, remember, he's extremely unstable emotionally at this point].

"WWX didn't do that though!" of course not. WWX is a different person with a different personality, is older (though i don't know by how much), and is extremely resilient, but he does process his trauma just differently. As you see over and over in the novel, wwx goes through many things others wouldn't dream of, but he starts acting differently even before the golden core removal, not only after. He's going through the same things, but i'm pretty sure no one reacts to trauma the same way to the T. JC's just happens to be misplaced anger, which is probably way too simple a way to put it, but anyway...wwx also gets angry. very angry. The two both have the correct target of anger in the end, despite Jc's breakdown. He still harbors his mother's words, but at this point they're still in the background of his mind.

Now again we go forward- JC willingly sacrifices himself for WWX. Look, if he doesn't like wwx at all i think this is extremely contradictory. even if he was s*icidal, he could have chose other ways to get to that end if that was the case. and a gentle reminder that JC perks back up and is ready to fight once he believes WWX knows how to fix his core! i don't think he was truly wanting to die or anything like that until he thought he had lost everything except wwx and jyl. He believes in wwx's strength despite his constant fear of inferiority, so if he was gone, what would it matter if wwx was there to continue to protect yanli?

Essentially he was like 'well what are we going to do if i can't lead the sect? We would be in a homeless situation and there is a war.' aka there's not a lot of hope all around, i don't think he was only upset about the core, but it was definitely the main force because if he didn't have a core, how would he survive what was happening anyway? he's like 'if i'm gonna die let it be on my terms' yk? He also doesn't feel like he's strong enough before he lost his core to protect anyone. Without it? fat chance.

whew... this is a lot already, so maybe i'll post this and do a part two later addressing YLLZ arc, then the "present" one. i just have a lot of feelings about their relationship and i'm sad to see so much negativity around him...JC is quite flawed, but a lot of the characters are flawed! that doesn't make them bad characters, it makes them interesting and human.

[alice1505]

I made the mistake of rewatching Sherlock because I never did finish it back in the day (I was -clenches fist- seething over the queerbaiting and rage quit after not fully watching episode 1 of s4) and I'm here to make my side hyperfixation (what year is this??? Who am I???) Tumblr's problem. The more I sit with s4, the less I like it 😂 There were pieces and elements I liked, but overall, it left a bad taste in my mouth. Forgive me if any or all if these points have been talked to death, I missed all the discourse and I'm hella late, but I need to flail and send my thoughts into the void because what even WAS that season? I can't believe I avoided it for years, got drawn in by a couple of tiktoks making fun (affectionately) of superwholock Era and That Scene about the fucking phone charger port, binged all of it, only to be left with..... that. Not nearly as disappointing or rage inducing as spn's ending but by God, did it leave a hole in me. So please ignore my rambling thoughts as I slap them down here for my own sanity.

• First and foremost, what - and I can't stress this enough - the fuck was UP with the assassination of John's entire character???? What was that??? Why????

• Related to that point - I can appreciate the angst point and potential it provides, as I'm reading many, many fics, but AYO WHY didn't anyone rip John an entire new one for that beat down he did on Sherlock????? Hello???? 911?????

• Tell me why everything felt so stilted and borderline icy. Like I get the high emotions and shit, but after a certain point... 😭 was there a falling out between Benedict and Martin that I'm not aware of? Did they just try to ungay everything so hard and were so pissed at the audience picking up everything THAT THEY PUT???? into this show and their interactions that they just hit the brakes hard enough to make everything feel weird???

• A lot of it felt weird. Off kilter a little. Forced in some places, toned down in others (and toned down where it shouldn't have been), a nod to ships but weirdly/hatefully??? Idk if that makes sense. Like the whole Sherlock and Molly phone call (I do not mean any hate to this ship, I really hope it doesn't come off this way. Not my cup of tea but you are valid). Why was Molly so upset BEFORE the call? Did I miss something? Also I don't personally think or feel she'd still have those feelings for him??? I??? I am bamboozled.

• to that whole point, Eurus was.... Hmm. Mmmm. She was. Something. (Confused derogatory)

• I like Mary as a character. I also hated her. (Definitely biased by my shipper trash ass self for johnlock, I'm sorry). Wtf were those messages, please. Edit: AND ANOTHER THING. John's reaction to Sherlock's death - awful, gut wrenching, beautiful, my heart breaks with and for him, utterly devasting. John's reaction to Mary's death - had me sitting there like🧍‍♀️(it was weird. so weird. awkward. w h y. (we know why, but also the acting choices were Something TM, in both cases! for different reasons!) i'm sorry i just can't get past my anger and put off-ness with mary, fun as she could be)

• why did mycroft and John switch roles 😭 pls. The last episode was just. So Much. The lackluster responses from John, to John, to Sherlock, between them, like.... hello???? Who are these people?? Help me. Moriarty saved me for a brief shining moment tho, God bless.

There's more I could spew, but that's what's sitting right at the top of my head. I guess all this just to say, if a show runner/writer really just fucking hates the audience they got (instead of the one they wanted), they probably shouldn't have fucking become a show runner/writer in the first place. Either hand it to someone who can actually handle it and listens, or fuck off. I will never understand when shows and plots and characters gets kamikaze'd because of a show runner being pissy and egotistical. Like ????? Grow up. Learn from Bryan Fuller and Hannibal or something.

Sorry for all the rambling, bless anyone who reads this and makes sense of it 😂

[devastatinglygreen]

*types this like I’m writing a letter in the trenches*

It’s been a few weeks now and I thought the fandom would reach more of an equilibrium on opinion about S3 but the war rages on.

Seriously though I’m wondering how much of this is from unmet expectations, other fans telling polin fans they shouldnt be happy, or the discourse surrounding a different ship that is now intent on seeing S3 (and beyond) fail. Honestly and truly I just cannot take some of these criticisms seriously because i had to live through two seasons of *that storyline* for Polin which did nothing for their individual characters or relationship i said what i said. That storyline alone is why I'm fine CVD didn't get his hands on Polin.

Well thankfully we have 2 years to discuss this! (😶) Do you have any particular hopes on the next lead for S4? Do you find them pushing the starting date back again worrying?

bro. brosephine. oh my god. it's unreal, right?

people telling me i shouldn't be happy? i got a polin season which is all i've ever wanted, if i wanted to nitpick it to death, i would. i don't! let me live! critique it all you want but people not agreeing with you doesn't mean they're wrong, it means they have another perspective. idc idc, they were kissing and loving and got married like?? i'm still trying to come to terms with the fact that it happened? like it legit happened onscreen and i got to see it? that can be enough for me sometimes, okay, so let a bitch live. i know people had years of expectations but your unmet expectations aren't my problem, ha.

oh my. not all *insert ship name* but somehow always a *insert ship name* am i right?

*that storyline* JUMPSCARE. it was such a bad plot device too? just say you didn't know what to do with colin for 2 seasons because we already know. it served no purpose other than keeping both of them stagnant. which serves no one.

ohhhhh season 4 and 2 years to build it up in our heads. hmm. pls god if it's ben let that man do something besides explore his dick, i am begging. my husband ended up interested in polin's story based on s2 because he loves penelope (and kate and eloise--tho eloise is still on thin ice with him i guess) and colin but s3 made him so not interested in ben so i feel like they're going to have to bring in a lot of solid plot ground or market some good subplots to pick up the interest of the general public more than they have because right now i don't see any real chatter about being interested in ben's story. eloise, yes.

not too worried about them pushing the start date back, there could be plenty of reasons for that but i do think 2 years is too long to film and edit an 8 ep season so they need to figure that part out because sustainable interest isn't infinite on shows like this.

[jackiebrackettt]

reasons the time traveller is ran:

putting under cut bc it's a lil long lol anyway tftsmp spoilers ahead !! also pls don't start discourse on this post o(-(

meta stuff outof the way first ^_^ - karl and ranboo were working together on the story so one of ranboo's characters playing a bigger part makes sense and alsooo it's been said that ran was supposed to have a bigger role + it's implied he'll be coming back (now from what we've seen of the otherside it could be due to that? but also why ran specifically when.. yeah. Things I Will Get Into Later On)

FUCK guys this is hard my brain just does not work lineraryly. sorry i'm trying hold on

i think overall some of the reasons why it could be cranboo are why it's actually ran if that makes sense? i think a lot of ccranboo's hints are trying to say things about endermen as a whole and how that fits into how cranboo is

(this is like... not me trying to discredit the ranboo is the time traveller theories i've had this thought that ranboo is trying to show us the nature of other endermen and how that connects to ranboo's philosophy for a while. so that's bleeding into this theory and it might not always be clear bc it's just so ingrained in my understanding of ranboo's lore that i forget it's also just a theory. sorry ajdj)

so ranboo and dream have this connection but so do ranbob and dream kinda - if dream and dreamxd are also connected then "endermen being connected to dreamxd and therefore dream" kinda makes ran as the time traveller work too right? i know that's a point ppl are using for cranboo being the time traveller so i'm not explaining it further

plus the whole indesciveness: again, i think ccranboo was kinda implying that's an endermen trait as a whole so ran being indescicive and losing himself to the memory loss works in that sense!

ran having some understanding of what karl can do but that being after his own linear time (or he's broken free from whatever dreamxd did to him/when dreamxd "got rid of him" he just dropped him in the pit era) ran "it doesn't matter who wins this place is going down anyway" could have been through similar time travel situations as karl and knows that these things end in tragedy. if he's been going through this for a while, he's potentially gained some sense of apathy + since he knows he won't stick around doesn't really care how ominous he sounds bc if anyone figures out there's something Off about him he'll just go back to the inbetween/otherside anyway

but yes, ran recognising himself in karl whether he was still a time traveller or not, makes the "see you soon" make a lot of sense! if he's still a time traveller he could be under the impression that at Some Point dreamxd hires someone else on and they'll work together. if he's not, he could know about the otherside having access to the memories and could be referencing that... or he's hoping karl will piece things together and figure out it used to be him and come after him for more info. who fucking knows not me i'm just throwing theories to the wind ^_^

this is all i have right now so i'll just give it you now if you have questions feel free to ask bc god knows i did not explain this all that well at all o(-(

[bluewinnerangel]

I'm the drama anon (I think? I dunno if you meant me specifically) and I swear, I didn't mean it as a bad thing! It's just, you guys come up with such strange stuff and then it kinda becomes a chaotic trend in the fandom and everyone freak out over it and I'm sitting here like "I was here when this took form at three in the morning so randomly that you'd wake up the next morning and go 'nah, it must've been a fever dream' and now it's so big". Anddso randomly that you'd wake up the next morning and go 'nah, it must've been a fever dream' and now it's so big".

And then there's this stray feeling that Tumblr is being watched? I mean, I dunno, I'm not saying it actually happens or larry has burner accs, but some stuff happen that just... It's a tumblr thing, why is this getting something like a confirmation from them? Like the other day I saw the invert thing during lights up and ??? It doesn't prove anything, heck maybe it doesn't even mean anything, but it's just... Weird. Everything here is weird, even I'm weird and I'm making zero sense but I wanted to make sure that you like, didn't misunderstand me, I love your blog, and you're such a nice person, but like... The general crackhead energy around here (I love it). Like what's the deal with that series you keep making book covers for (it's literally a random anon and you genuinely take the time, no hate to that anon, they write good, but what I wanna say is that you're so kind for actually humouring that? Is that the right word? Or the arm thing? The hare thing? What?!?) It literally came out of nowhere, and it's a thing now. I dunno. For ppl who figure out the most cryptic stuff, on free days we're just... So random and odd, I guess. That's what I meant. In a nice way God this is long and awkward I'm so sorry I love you <3

I'm actually cracking up over this. I honestly feel you're mostly talking about that wholeass Cars thing we had going on a month (already wtf !?!?!) ago bc that was an absolute furious feverdream but also that didn't really take off unless you were just watching me like it took off for me bro it did like the end of Grease that TOOK OFF. But then it's in the context of drama? And being watched? Help. Where does this come from where does this go cotton eyed joe just all over the place asdasd

But I guess about this space I just post whatever I think is funny and I have fun making and sometimes that means just less theories or larrie discourse and more utter nonsensical relevant-to-this-and-this-post-only-deepfried-childrens-book-covers and way too extensive arm collections or detailed ask game answers, because it makes me happy and even happier when it makes someone else happy too. Whatever makes you laugh bro, with me or at me (hi antis hope you're having a great day).

Then as for the confirmation thing, it's not impossible they actually for real lurk here and respond to it with subtle shit, but I hope the fuck not because bros you're celebs I'm sure you have better ways to spend your time pls, I think 9/10 things that get "confirmed" aka things that some blogs JUST talked about and then it just... comes back (we make a shitty little laurel masterpost and suddenly laurel clothing are back, a pink floyd x harry post is birthed and next thing the AFH poster has PF links and bap harry shows up in PF shirt, we make hare stylist puns and then harry makes hare stylist puns, theres all things must pass x louis fan art and bap harry wears all things must pass merch, the list just goes on and honestly the things I just mentioned are mostly Leo, Meg, and me with our 2 gay british boybander voodoo dolls that we dress up in things we just referenced on our silly little bloggies so we can bring it back for clout and that's because people already picked up on it already being a pattern (the inverted colors for one), or already knowing it's within their personalities and behavior to do/reference/pun that way, and so your "prediction" or whatever gets reaffirmed when they continue to be... themselves. This is also why I think it can look like they're referencing fan fics, because those fics are already based on accurate observations of them and what they would and wouldn't surround themselves with. Then there's other bits where I am like well at the very least his ass knows what he's doing because the whole WHOLE fandom freaked over it and there's no way he didn't get notified if he didn't already lurk himself and that's Louis wearing the H shirt AGAIN or Harry bringing all the blue bandana's back to the yard. I mean they do know we know, but, different scales, I guess. Like there's a difference between niche tumblr things getting "confirmation" and fandom wide phenomenon's. That said Harry, grandma wants 2 croissants ok that's my sentence that's my brand if you ever reference 2 croissants I know your ass is reading into things on a chaos blog alright thank you very much.