Thinking about the structure of the Old Religion.
From what we know there's the Nine which refers to the High Priestesses of the Triple Goddess - powerful sorcerers who obtained immortality (unless killed by some form of magic), and performed important rituals of the Old Religion.
It is unknown if there was a High Priest equivalent, but Gaius in S1Ep13 does tell Merlin that "the High Priests have the power to mirror life and death". This suggests that perhaps there were High Priests of the Triple Goddess, and that they also had a Nine.
There's the Bendrui, women who failed to become part of the Nine. Just like those who eventually became High Priestesses of the Triple Goddess, they were chosen at birth for the priesthood - taken from their families and raised as initiates of the Old Religion. Despite their failure, Bendrui are practiced in potent magic, and appear to have above average gifts.
There's the Bloodguard, warrior priests who swore to protect the High Priestesses. They, like the High Priestesses, were the only people to ever set eyes upon the staff carved from the Rowan tree that grows at the very heart of the Isle of the Blessed.
It could be suggested that like the Bendrui, the Bloodguard could have been failed High Priests, but there is no evidence (other than the existence of the Bendrui, and the mention of High Priests) to truly suggest this.
It is also unknown if the Bloodguard served the Triple Goddess. It is possible that the priests served various different gods of the Old Religion, but due to their relation to the Nine specifically, it is likely these warrior priests served the Triple Goddess.
There's the Catha, which contains priests. (Alator is referred to being "of the Catha, warrior and priest", he also says "I'm a Catha priest").
It is unknown if they served the Triple Goddess, or a different god of the Old Religion (and we know they are priests of the Old Religion because Morgana says, "He's a Catha...priest of the Old Religion.").
They have their own language, however, suggesting that they are a unique culture, and perhaps even an ethnic group. (This is further supported by Alator saying Catha are trained from birth to master all physical pain, it is also said that they guard their ancient knowledge - which leans towards them being a people rather than just initiates of the Old Religion)
There's the Disir, the highest court of the Old Religion, made up of three women chosen at birth to be trained as seers and soothsayers. They are the mouthpiece of the Triple Goddess, and interpret her word. As Gaius says, "When they sat in judgement, their word was final". They pass on the runemark, which is both judgement and fate - it contains a person's guilt, as well as the path the gods have chosen for them.
There's the Druids, a peaceful people who worship the Old Religion and often possess magic. It's a part of their beliefs to help people in need of care, and therefore, those who weren't born a Druid can find a home amongst them (Morgana is one such example).
Moreover, the Druids look for children with the gift of telepathy to serve as apprentices (perhaps to keep them safe? perhaps to encourage their magic in childhood?). The Druids also have a tattoo of a triskelion somewhere on their body, perhaps as a part of a ritual (to indicate someone has become a Druid?).
While the Druids have an intimate knowledge of prophecy and destiny, especially regarding Emrys and the Once and Future King, they do not appear to be priests or priestesses in any form. Just like the Catha, they have their own language (called the Druid tongue and Druidic Runes by Gaius), therefore, it is possible that they too are a unique culture and/or an ethnic group.
There's the Isle of the Blessed, a sacred location of the Old Religion, said to be the centre of it, and the focus of its power - it is also where the power of the ancients can still be felt after the Great Purge. Artifacts such as the Rowan staff, the Cup of Life, and the Horn of Cathbhadh were kept there under the care of the High Priestesses. Furthermore, Morgana's healing bracelet was forged on Isle - suggesting that its power allowed for the creation of powerful artifacts (this is further supported by the Rowan staff which was carved from the tree that grows there).
In a deleted scene for S4Ep1, Morgause says when she was first brought to the Isle, the hallways were teeming with women - High Priestesses. Although it is said often within the fandom, canon never establishes if the initiates were trained on the Isle. This deleted scene, however, heavily suggests it.
There's the Caerlanrigh, a sacred spring within the Grove of Brineved. There, the Disir reside within a cave, where the spring feeds into an ancient pool - in which the Disir divine from. The old ways are at their strongest there, and it's at the very centre of their powers (whether Gaius meant the old ways or the Disir here is unclear).
There's the Cauldron of Arianrhod, a sacred site of the Old Religion. The lake contains the power of the White Goddess, who can be summoned to heal those affected by the Teine Diaga ritual. However, if such a person is tricked into entering the cauldron, their soul would be lost forever.
There's the Crystal Cave, said to be the birthplace of magic. It is filled to the brim with scrying crystals that show the past, present, and future. Taliesin used the cave as the source of his prophecies for the kings of old. And as much as the crystals can be controlled, they can force visions upon powerful sorcerers too.
The cave can also hold spirits within it, seen with both Balinor and Taliesin.
While this may have been the case for Merlin alone, the cave can restore a person's magic.
There are celebrations important to the Old Religion too, such as:
Samhain, a time of year where the people feel closest to the spirits of their ancestors, in which they celebrate their passing.
During Samhain it was traditional for the High Priestesses to gather on the Isle of the Blessed and perform a blood sacrifice to release the Dorocha. This was done on the stroke of midnight, when the veil between the worlds is at its thinnest.
Since the Dorocha do not roam free in the world throughout the series, it is suggested that a second blood sacrifice was done by the High Priestesses - perhaps before the night was through - to close the veil once more.
In Camelot, a feast is held as part of the celebrations. (This suggests that while the Old Religion and its practices were abandoned during and after the Purge, the heart of the religion and its holidays were never replaced).
Beltane, a time of year where the High Priestesses would gather at the Great Stones of Nemeton and summon the spirits of their ancestors with the Horn of Cathbhadh. It opens the door to the Spirit World and allows the person who blew the horn to see and speak with their ancestor of choice.
In Camelot a feast is held as part of the celebrations (which much like Samhain seems indicate that the Old Religion has been around for so long that it cannot be removed from society entirely - that the people clung onto some traditions, including the royal family).
There's the Gods of the Old Religion, the Triple Goddess, the White Goddess, and Nemaine. It could be implied that the White Goddess, and the Earth Mother Nemaine are part of the Triple Goddess, but it is just as likely for them to be separate gods.
If so, the Triple Goddess is heavily associated with the Nine, destiny and fate, and the immortality of certain sorcerers. Perhaps she is also associated with the balance of the world, due to the power over life and death being tied to the High Priestesses and supposed High Priests.
The White Goddess, however, appears to be associated with one's soul and healing. It was only her power that could heal and retain Gwen's soul after Teine Diaga ritual.
The Earth Mother Nemaine is related to Gean Canach, as it is said her tears forged the creature. The book Gaius reads from has more information, and from what can be deciphered, it says that Nemaine first wept at the slaughter of war, resulting in the Gean Canach crawling out of the Earth's belly (there is more written on the page, but it is impossible to tell what it says). This suggests that Nemaine lives within the Earth's core, and that she is indeed associated with nature and living beings as her name implies.
Furthermore, since she wept at the slaughter of war, she is perhaps the god of life itself, but not of the entire cycle. And due to the Gean Canach's abilities, to devour and drain a sorcerer of their magic, it is likely that this war's slaughter was brought about by magic.
It is possible that The Earth Mother Nemaine could be related to the Pool of Nemhain. Despite having different spellings in the show (the subtitles), they have extremely similar pronunciations (even if it is a bit different). Perhaps they are unrelated, but if they are one and the same, it could be suggested that the Earth Mother is connected to death as well as life, due to the pool being the last of the Five Gateways to the Spirit World. (This contradicts what is analysed in the above paragraph, but this post is meant to speculate multiple possibilities.)
Honourable mentions:
It could be suggested that the Quest Ritual was once part of the Old Religion. It includes the heir to the throne of Camelot transcending their body in order to receive a vision of a quest. This quest is meant to prove their worth to the people, and their worthiness of the throne. The heir prepares themself by cleansing their body and dressing in white robes. They spend an entire night kneeling on the floor, barefoot, with their eyes closed.
Due to how Arthur reacts in the morning when Uther pulls him out of it, and how sacred the entire process appears to be, it is as if the heir is actually gifted with a vision of a quest. This is supported by his reaction, as he looks dazed when relays what he has seen. Therefore, it seems as if the ritual includes some form of magic due to the preparation, and if so, then it's likely it was a practice of the Old Religion (specifically for the heirs of Camelot? Due to Camelot's association with the very heart of magic?)
It has been around for hundreds of years, so it is not outside the realm of possibility that the Quest Ritual is so old that the general consensus has forgotten its ties to the Old Religion, or much like Samhain and Beltane, it is perhaps so baked into society that it couldn't be abandoned.
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In S1Ep13, Merlin says that the "Old Religion died out centuries ago". Even in Series 1 this is far from true, but later seasons make this remark seem entirely ignorant. If anything, this sentiment comes from a post-Purge society, where the structures of the Old Religion no longer exist. Perhaps it is even propaganda that Uther pushed forward as people became more fearful over the years, turning away from the old ways despite once practicing such beliefs (and for the people of Camelot, still practicing some of those beliefs).
It is possible this was a retcon but if so then it's directly retconned in S1Ep13 when it's revealed that Nimueh is a High Priestess.
Anyhow, in response to Merlin's ignorance, Kilgharrah says, "The Old Religion is the magic of the Earth itself. It is the essence which binds all things together. It will last long beyond the time of men".
This shows that the Old Religion doesn't just refer to the religion and the gods, but rather it is the very magic that makes up the fabric of the world, and as Balinor says in S2Ep13 it's either a part of you or it isn't. This suggests that it is indeed not just a religion, but the very world, the Earth, magic.
He also goes on to say that Merlin must "find those who still serve it", which shows that Uther very much didn't succeed in eradicating the structure of the Old Religion entirely, at least at that point in the show. And perhaps that anyone could serve it, even after the very structure collapsed.
All this is to say that the Old Religion is extremely pagan. The structure itself is vague perhaps because Old Religion is personal, it is vague. The differences between the High Priestesses, the Catha, and the Druids make this clear. Following the Old Religion's beliefs, traditions, and holidays is personal and spiritual because it varies, because there is no wrong way. Because there are no set rules or a real structure at all. The High Priestesses had power, yes, but this seems to come directly from the Triple Goddess herself, rather than a societal standing.
Nimueh was at court, and she was Uther's friend, but she was also very quickly thrown from the court after Ygraine died. And yes, the High Priestesses went to war with the Ancient Kings, but that appears to be a difference in factions, rather than let's say the Christian church and its power over the centuries.
Therefore, I propose that the Old Religion as a religion was loose in its structure, that it never died out like Merlin said (which does seem to be a post-Purge sentiment), but instead simply changed and evolved, and continued to exist even after the Purge, with its holidays in Camelot, and with the Druids and their practices/beliefs.
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Overall, the information we have on the structure of the Old Religion is vague and patchy. This was perhaps intentional so the writers could work around existing canon to introduce new concepts without being constricted by their past worldbuilding. But that's getting into the Intentional Fallacy, so I'll leave that there.
It appears that the High Priestesses had the most power in society, due to their past wars with the Ancient Kings, and their sheer power and knowledge. Not to mention their artifacts and control over creatures like the Fomorroh.
But there are different beliefs and structures to the Old Religion, like with the Catha and the Druids, suggesting that there are multiple ways to worship and follow the Old Religion.
The many sacred sites show that there are different powers and sources to the Old Religion that have different purposes. Like how the path to the Cauldron of Arianrhod was lined with banners for pilgrims, not to necessarily summon the White Goddess, but to visit the site. Or how the Isle of the Blessed is a powerful religious site, while the Crystal Cave is a fairly legendary and unknown place that few ever get to see.
In conclusion, the Old Religion is vast and has many facets to it. There is some structure, but it doesn't seem entirely necessary in order to follow the Old Religion. And in reality, it is inherent to the Earth, it is magic itself.
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hello, love your blog! it’s so fucking funny how you’re a lesbian motogp blogger who is into buffy, bc hey that’s me too but actually I first encountered your blog bc of your smallville posts. not to mention tennis (which I was only a very casual fan of thankfully afdhjkk)…….cool to know that there are several ppl like this apparently sgfhhjhjk.
anyways, buffy s6 is my beloved season and I like it for how dysfunctional it is. the only season I might like more is maybe s5. I am a spike fucker unforch
and as for motogp? sachsenring 2003 made me giggle. very embarrassing for you valentino. by 0.06 seconds??? and commentators made it worse by crowning him a winner before they even crossed the line. you just know if positions were reversed vale would capitalize so hard off this win, more ppl would be talking about it still. and well he did actually use that loss to reinvigorate himself. like valentino’s ability to make his wins (and losses too) narratively important is unparalleled. but regardless sete/vale rivalry is insane,
sadly only hot girls get it:(((
anon?? marry me??
such an incredibly funny overlap of interests sdfhjkdf well always nice to learn this is a Type Of Person who Exists. I love buffy season five!! I am very much a spike fucker!! undoubtedly one of THE great characters, him and buffy is one of those ships where I don't really seek out fics because it's like?? I'm actually thrilled with what canon gave me!! I love the slapstick, spike as a lovesick freak, the dark and toxic stuff where buffy used him as a way to punish herself, and all the more melancholic season 7 stuff where they found refuge in each other. spike is like. such a great Device to explore all kinds of emotions and themes and all that... so many of my all time fave eps are very much spike eps. love s2's school hard and halloween, s3's lovers walk, s4's something blue (also just like, so much of his s4 scenes, when they chain him up in the bathtub and against the chair and all that), s5's fool for love (!!!!!!!!!!!!! one of THE episodes, his 'death wish' monologue to buffy and then showing up wanting to kill her and ending up comforting her oh GOD), s6's life serial and doublemeat palace AND when buffy confesses to spike she was in heaven AND all their scenes in once more, with feeling, s7 the buffy/spike church scene.... spike's "all these years and there's only one thing I've ever been sure of" speech likeeeeee.... I get all the issues people have with that relationship and how it was written, I know it's not for everyone, and I don't even 'ship' them in the sense of thinking they belong together or whatever... but I just love it!! it compels me so much, did so when I first saw it and still does now!! and spike is such a FUN character, like they let him be pathetic, they let him be cool, and he's #gender enough that yeah he's very hot to me too. all those scenes where buffy's throwing him around,,,,, yes character of all time. just has a real place in my heart too idk like the emotional landscape really GETS me
sharp pivot to sachsenring 2003, which takes place a mere few months after the buffy finale......... that's as smooth a transition as I can manage yeah. thematic overlap between btvs and motogp question mark. the buffy x dawn dynamic is either a bit marc x alex or to a lesser extent vale x luca when u think about it? not just in the 'congrats you've spotted they're siblings' way, but well the siblings' respective statuses in the worlds of motogp & vampire slaying, and the older sibling often being 'prioritised' because they have a lot on their plates, younger siblings as a kind of way to keep them grounded and feeling human, also unconditional devotion to your younger sibling... plus actually all the death wish stuff, surely? the fool for love speech...
btvs and motogp both very much about the ties you need to the world, I reckon... also sports is inherently adjacent to chosen one narratives
ANYWAY sachsenring 2003, I think every detail about it is perfect!! whatever valentino says, I still reckon there's just no way he couldn't have made a move before that - and implicitly he acknowledges that by saying he will never leave it that late again. idk there's just something so deeply charming about that specific flavour of valentino to me, where he's so obnoxiously good he can get away a little bit with basically scripting his races BUT obviously that's only okay when he still ends up being the one who wins. and he gets so much shit for it!! it's so funny listening to the brno commentary like they are on his ASS and they're saying the italian press has been on his ASS and calling him washed and finished and even the commentary is going 'yeah he's been having a rough season' and it's very??
oh no! the horror!! what a flop!!
obviously in retrospect we remember it as a great season because after that he only lost one more race, but back then they didn't know that!! and at like. the perfect time of the season too, because obviously that's when you have to go off and Sit On It for the whole summer break and can't immediately redeem yourself.... but as you say, he used that!! it's part of his story now, it became such good fuel for motivation. like, the mistake itself is kinda.... I mean it's not great, but it's one of those things that also wouldn't be a massive issue if you did it five laps earlier? he basically just picks too defensive a line that ends up killing his drive out of the corner, allowing sete to beat him to the line. which - the bit that I imagine really got to him is how dumb it was. like it wasn't a riding mistake as much as it was a decision making mistake, it wasn't his race craft it was just a literal dumbass moment. it's silly!! it's both a moment that shows valentino was maybe a bit too cocky, but also kinda rattled by sete? that man got to him! he did it! he flapped the unflappable valentino rossi!
and it IS incredible how it's now not really Discussed any more, and in his autobiography it's so neatly integrated into his own narrative. like!! it's always the laguna 2008 and catalunya 2009 performances that get me - he knew those were going to be memorable victories IMMEDIATELY and he played to that!! kissing the corkscrew drives me insane because it's literally... he's doing this on the cooldown lap for something that happened LAP FOUR and wasn't technically the race winning move, or definitely not the only one!! but he immediately zeroed in on that element and his post-race narrative is unquestionably ONE of the reasons why that's something we all remember now. he gets it!!
the commentators did fuck him over though lmaoooo... I mean at least you have to say he learned from his mistakes. imagine losing a race by .06 and doing this in the very next race against the same guy
bringing back this too
sicko
it IS only the hot girls who get it but that's for the best....... only the select few can see the vision I fear
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absolutely shaking you /pos about your persona fit designs for the oct2path cast, I gotta know if you have any persona thoughts about them
Aw thank you!! Right now, I don't have any set ideas for all the gang's specific Personas; I think initially, I was gonna have the progression be OT1 travelers for everyone's initial Personas -> gods for ultimate Personas, but I felt like I could do something more with it, so that didn't stick.
I do have detailed ideas for the healers' Personas at least, along with approximations for how long everyone's had their powers.
Since I went into this not wanting to have a specific wild card since everyone's a protagonist, everyone can use multiple personas and access the Velvet Room. However, due to the *gestures* natures of some of Temenos and Castti's storylines, they get some unique stuff w/ their ultimate personas.
...Specifically to do with Temenos 3 SH and Hunter & Apothecary 2.
— Temenos
Regarding canon divergence
I mentioned it on Twitter (albeit, not here) that Crick does not die in this AU. This tends to go for anything I write involving Temenos' storyline, since I generally do not agree with Crick's death as a writing decision; mostly for Temenos' writing's sake than anything.
He works best when interacting with another character (e.g. Crick, Throné) so when you kill off the one character he has a real rapport with, a lot of his scenes in Temenos 4 suffer as a result. Not to mention, it does read like Crick got killed off to give Temenos a personal reason to pursue Kaldena as if she didn't already kill his adoptive father.
Note: I love Kaldena though. Crick is a friend but his murderer is an oomf to me. I've been cooking up a fic for her and I like her a lot.
It's not an uncommon occurrence to kill off a detective's ally when they get too close to the truth. But in this instance, I can't say I like how it's pulled off. NTM Temenos already gets to deal with a pretty significant loss, discussed below.
(The joke answer here is that I need one of every element covered in the team, so Crick lives to see another day.)
Roi
Remember that snippet I wrote about Ochette killing a shadowy monster? That was Roi. He was experimented on by the MO (most comparable to Strega here) in an attempt to fuse Shadows with living humans, and it didn't go well. It resulted in him becoming a monster like he did in canon.
Temenos learns of this a bit before when SH takes place —which is around mid-October here— and he and Ochette are both horrified. He doesn't blame her for having to defend herself, especially when it's clear Roi was beyond saving at that point, but he's still upset over the circumstances regardless; and it's opened up a wound he's been trying to ignore.
So at this point in the story when SH takes place, Temenos' mental state isn't doing too great. And it'll only get worse for a bit longer!
Stormail
During when SH happens here, it happens pretty similar to canon: Temenos and Crick realize that Vados is dead, Crick begins to doubt the institution he's working for, and is attacked by Kaldena— who, here is probably like. Chief Prosecutor or something.
Crick is attacked near the local courthouse while investigating on his own during the Dark Night (our Dark Hour equivalent). He's bleeding out, and can't heal himself. Lucky for him though, only being able to operate for an hour means Temenos and co. are active around that time, and the team finds him losing consciousness fast.
One fun thing to note about Persona is that a living person can become a Persona for a specific user through a strong desire to protect their loved ones after death.
So, when Temenos finds Crick bleeding out with wounds too deep to heal normally... he thinks of all his loved ones screwed over by the law, how Crick may very well join that number, and thinks only that he cannot —he will not— allow that to happen.
This, combined with Roi in canon thinking of protecting Temenos despite everything, repeating only snippets of his last conversation warning him to protect him... Roi becomes Temenos' ultimate Persona, and the surge in magical strength is enough to keep Crick alive long enough to get serious medical treatment.
— Castti
Eir's Apothecaries
Like in canon, all of Eir's Apothecaries have died prior to the travelers finding Castti. While IDK if all of them were Persona users (Malaya, Castti, and Trousseau definitely were tho), rn I think all of them were aware of Persona stuff and tried to use their resources to heal people affected by Shadow attack.
Claude, as part of the MO trying to bring Vide into the world, tried to recruit them for their medical and scientific knowledge, but they refused.
Trousseau, however, was swayed and soon enough, tried to kill the rest of the team as part of his desire for humanity's end. The rest of the group, aside from Malaya and Castti, died trying to get the two as far away from him as possible; and even then, the two were on their last legs due to his Persona's debilitating attacks.
Malaya, realizing that they both couldn't survive, instead used all of her power to fully heal Castti. This causes whatever Persona she had to, not fuse with Castti's (not yet), but just transfer over to Castti p much.
Castti doesn't remember this. When the travelers (the team atm being Temenos, Osvald, Ochette, and Throné) find her, she starts off with two personas.
Castti's memories
When Castti recovers her memories and fights Trousseau, she and Malaya's Personas fuse to become a completely new and stronger one. It combines their Personas' designs, and carries some elements of Malaya's physical appearance too— representative of her loss, albeit, with the knowledge that she will always be loved and watched over by her departed loved ones.
However, her character development (and unique Persona stuff) doesn't stop there.
Hunter & Apothecary 2
In this Persona AU, Personas are formed from the knowledge of limited time and that life is given value through the existence of death. This is the contract that binds Personas and their users, thus making it possible to go against that.
When Hunter & Apothecary 2 rolls around, I imagine that it happens real late into the year— like, mid-December as everyone's preparing to face Vide. I imagine the tone here is... honestly a lot like P3's fourth movie, where because of the sudden time limit (and feeling of responsibility) everyone's really stressed out.
Like canon, Vide's main target to get rid of is Castti due to her vast medical knowledge, battle prowess, and her being a source of emotional strength for her allies. He plays on her feelings of powerlessness as a medical professional, along with exacerbating her guilt that comes with being Trousseau's mentor.
At first, the group notices she's less social and starts to skip meals. But for a day or two, chooses to not leave her room. While the rest of the group aren't doing... fantastic, this is especially alarming.
Because Persona contracts are formed around valuing limited time... if a user becomes apathetic towards death, what do you think it means for them when they break that contract, even briefly?
They can go berserk— at least, in the movie adaptation. Warning for depictions of strangulation in the video linked.
So, Castti gets attacked by her Persona. It isn't Malaya like Temenos' is Roi, but is a separate entity summoned through her love and grief. Becoming apathetic towards life and death goes against her contract, thus making it go berserk.
Ochette finds her and like canon, has to fight it to get it under control before it kills Castti; but afterwards, she has to rest and recover from that.
How long everyone's had their Personas
Ochette, Agnea, and Partitio's are awakened mid-story.
Hikari's was forcibly awakened as a child, and underwent experiments growing up. He wasn't born with the ability to summon a Persona, he was forced to learn how.
Throné's in a similar situation. For the sake of adaptation, the main part I'll focus on when adapting Claude is his desire to find the best candidate for a Vide vessel. Throné is an artifical Persona user created for the MO's experiments, but does not need suppressants where her former colleagues did.
Because I follow the theory that Temenos is a claudelet, the same also applies to him. He's adopted by Jörg at age 6, and was found after one of the MO's experiments went terribly wrong during a full moon — during an early (failed) attempt to bring Vide into the world. He was about to die due to injuries from an explosion, right when the Velvet Room (likely run by like. the OT1 cast taking shifts basically. probably) realized it needed outside power to combat Vide's descent. It reached out to Temenos, having him sign a contract to accept a limited amount of time, and to value what time people have left alive.
Temenos does not remember any of this, and in this specific adaptation, did not originally have white hair. He has the Velvet Room's white hair as a result of his contract... which is renewed prior to the beginning of the story when he and Osvald began their investigations. It's how the team is able to find the Velvet Room in the first place (but can all use it), as Temenos pretty much got the key sealed inside him as a kid. This is how I'm adapting him being chosen by Aelfric for now, but could be subject to change.
Temenos will be fine. He'll die for like 5 minutes though.
Castti's was awakened before the story with no issues. She has some later though, as you can see.
Osvald awakened his when he realized Harvey framed his family, but couldn't train it until Temenos got him out on parole.
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