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i just wanted to let you know i love you. thats all :)

i love you more random stranger. thank you <3

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hi i just wanted to say that you recommended 'Amigo the Devil' in some of your fic notes and i finally gave them a try. Bro. Dawg. Buckaroo. THANK YOU.

i have been listening to their entire discography on loop all day this is fucking amazing. this is life changing and ilu /p you have blessed my ears 🫵😼🫶

HELLO. THANK YOU THIS IS DELIGHTFUL. THIS IS EVEN BETTER THAN COMPLIMENTING MY WRITING. COMPLIMENTING MY MUSIC TASTE IS THE BEST WAY TO BOOST MY EGO.

everyone should go listen to Amigo The Devil. *especially* if you like fucked up murder folk ballads. his entire discography is *phenomenal*. my top recs are Cocaine and Abel, Perfect Wife, If I'm Crazy, You Are Perfect Too, and The Weight. <3

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bro come back we need your commentary more than ever. Jayhelena canon event

AHAHAHA I'VE BEEN LOSING MY MIND FOR DAYS ANON HOW'D YOU KNOW. perfect moment to show off the shitty meme i made based off a random message i sent in a discord server a couple of weeks ago.

jokes aside: i do have a LOT of thoughts on all of this, and even more thoughts on the reaction to it so ty for giving me the chance to rant.

as far as the comic itself goes: i am? cautiously optimistic, personally? hopes are high but expectations are grounded. Gretchen Felker-Martin is a *fantastic* trans horror writer (i highly rec her novel, Manhunt) but she's pretty new to the comics scene. she's written a single issue with Jason, a Beast World story that's pretty polarizing. most fans i know dislike it, my personal opinions on it are... it's a bit lackluster? i think some parts of it miss the mark on Jason's psyche, but the overall theme it's trying to convey about cycles of violence enacted on victims like Jason and police brutality are interesting. while it's not a great start for GFM with Jason, the Beast World event was so shit overall, and the whole concept of all these characters being "not themselves" mentally, i'm willing to overlook it. (idk if there are any good BW stories but all the ones i've read are shite... Helena's BW story has her literally being beaten by Cass using a laser pointer on her so... i will take *anything* over that personally lmao at least GFM seems genuinely interested in exploring Jason's inner workings, yk) it could go really well, or really poorly. i don't think we have enough info on GFM's writing to know how she'll handle an ongoing with these two, but my fingers are desperately crossed.

the main concerns i have about the comic are firstly the plot itself: which is described as Jason tracking down a cop-killer, and how that could so easily become copaganda. however, the Beast World issue GFM wrote was incredibly anti-cop. (and she even said on her bluesky that ppl shouldn't be worried about this run being pro-cop) so, i do think there's hope there. my other worry is the history of these characters GFM can't control- this story is happening right after H2SH which is frankly, a fucking disaster for Jason. and Helena's biggest Rebirth feature was Batgirl & the Birds of Prey, which was an even bigger disaster for her mythos. neither of these characters are standing on great foundations, and i haven't cared for either of their current characterizations for the past decade or so. it's an uphill battle for even a fantastic writer to try to meld good characterization with the current state of these two, and i could see it screwing GFM over, which rlly sucks she's not getting as fair of a shot as she could be.

all that said, the aesthetics look fantastic (tho, i'm not personally the biggest fan of either suit redesign) and i do love getting Helena and Jason out of Gotham, bc it means we won't have the everlooming Bat presence hanging over their actions. and as for the romance? i'm CACKLING. i've *always* suspected that if we ever were lucky enough for a Jason/Helena team-up, they were bound to end up fucking, and i'm DELIGHTED to be vindicated. this ship is one i do adore in concept (mostly as a hatefuck sort of thing) but could see go horribly. i trust GFM to write women, so i don't think Helena's going to get sidelined as a one-dimensional love interest, which is the biggest fear i've seen expressed. it's not *entirely* unlikely she'll be OOC (i don't think we know enough to comment either way atp, given GFM has never written her) but i do think she's going to be dynamic in this run. and honestly? with the shit content Jason has been getting recently (Robin Lives, the current fuckass Jaybin comic) and Helena having her backstory mutiliated and getting sidelined to hell as current comics don't seem to know what to do with her, i want this to go well *so* badly. i'm rlly hoping it will! and i do think the romance can absolutely work in a fun and interesting way. wouldn't be my top canon pick for either character, but i love the intrigue of it and how these two could (and hopefully are going to) challenge each other and find solidarity in their respective victimhoods.

that said, i certainly don't begrudge Helena fans for being pessimistic about this comic, or disliking the concept in principle. i'd far prefer Helena be getting a solo than be a supporting cast/love interest for a man's run. that said, i think calling this run a "power fantasy" and "wank content" (takes i have seen) is absolutely asinine. we don't have it in our hands yet, we literally can't say until it's out. (and tbfh- these takes are transphobic against GFM, even if unintentionally.) but at this point, i think anything is something for Helena, and i am not going to insult the concept until i've seen the story. if Helena fans don't want to read this bc they don't like Jason or just don't want to see her sidelined, i get that entirely.

beyond that, the take i am *not* a fan of is that this is bad bc Helena has been Dick's love interest. anyone who says *that* loses all validity to their argument for me. Helena has been a dynamic character long before she met Dick and to *only* view her as an extension of Dick and thus define every future relationship she has through Dick is the most ass backwards misogyny i've seen. also. it's comics, man. everyone's going to team up with everyone and fuck everyone. it's just the nature of these characters getting used over and over and over. it's so wildly degrading to Helena to pretend you're protecting her dignity and honor by not wanting her around Jason, or by treating her as just "Dick's love interest". (when she and Dick never properly even *dated* and have never been right for each other. that was sort of the whole point. but i digress.) i also think some takes from Helena stans about Jason are made in incredibly bad faith, just because some Helena stans find some sort of superiority complex in liking her and hating him. it has always read incredibly performative to me.

in summary: i have been deserpate for *years* for these two to interact, and i'm genuinely looking forward to reading this comic. i have reasons to be a little doubtful of some issues that *might* come up, but GFM is a great novelist and i hope that translates to her ability to write a great ongoing. did i ever *actually* want this ship to go canon? no, but under a queer woman whose pretty solid at exploring intersectionality and leftist politics in her works, i'm willing to hear it out.

and just so we're clear: the *second* this comic is out i'm putting the Robles variant cover where Jason and Helena are almost kissing straight on my wall. even if the comic is shit. i'm forever immortalizing it as a giant win for me personally, one of the few ppl capable of liking Jason Todd and Helena Bertinelli at the same time and being cool with the idea of them kissing, lol.

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Acrobatics🎡

[necrotic-nephilim]

Okay so- i know it might take you awhile (or never at all) to see this, but i just wanna say that. I love you.

I stumble upon your fics by accident with the BruJayTim bits that you write for your quote game, and it make me giggles and kicking my legs at 2 in the morning.

Seriously, your writing is the thing that me lead me to love Batcest (mostly JayTim). It satisfied my twisted interest in nasty and bloody sex, and even got me out of my artblock (i had redraw a few scenes from your JayTim fics)

That's all, just wanna say how much i loved your work and all. Sorry if my English sucks, not my first language. Hope you have a nice day<3

aaaAAAAAA this is so sweet thank you anon! i love getting to spread the joy of fucked up bloody sex and it means the world to me when it sractches the itch for someone else.

and obviously no pressure, but i'd *love* to see the art you've made!!! it is the HIGHEST honor to me for my art to inspire art in other ppl, i am exploding just knowing that someone would even want to draw something i wrote. i love you more anon. you have my heart.

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I'm going to be so real and say I love your casstim fic and ask if you have any other writings of them because I crave more

thank you so much that's so sweet of you! the only other CassTim fic i have written so far is here on tumblr, but i've written plenty of other ships in my masterlist and i hope to write more CassTim in the future!! i love them very dearly and they deserve more love. my kingdom for CassTim <3

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so. now that my accidental hiatus is over and i've rattled myself free of the grave, i just want to give a general update on this blog and where i'm at with it. because i do love this blog and want to post, but when i made this blog, the intention of it was canon-based metas and discussions around DC that were often ship-focused, but also just generally my opinions on the fandom. and of course i enjoy rolling around in the filth and having a lot of sexual/dead dove posts on main, but it did overwhelm me a bit when that became my entire blog and i got more asks than i could keep up with.

so in the future, i think i'm going to stagger how fast i answer asks and try to find a healthy mix of my own metas, dead dove shipposting, and whatever else i want to put here. and while i don't want to close asks because i invite discourse my way, i do have to say i will be much slower to answering them. sometimes we will be whores on main, sometimes we will be analyzing this fandom and it's source material on main. who is to say. but either way, we're back and no one can get rid of me.

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if you seriously call stephcass batcest i think you are so ingrained in WFA fanon you can’t even call yourself a comic fan

broke: people calling stephcass batcest because they're too ingrained in wfa fanon

woke: people calling stephcass batcest to piss off the anti batcest crowd

bespoke: people calling stephcass batcest to indicate that the concept of "batcest" doesn't really make sense and shoehorning the bats into a traditional nuclear family structure flattens their characters and does a disservice to the complicated, multilayered, and interesting relationships between them

[necrotic-nephilim]

per the sibling-zoning of Steph and Cass in the recent WFA chapter: surely there will be lessons learned here by the fandom as a whole. surely this will make people realize that a single comic from a specific canon does not suddenly define a nuanced relationship between two characters that has existed for years outside of any conventional label. surely people now understand that canon within this medium is ever-changing and not something you can apply as a whole. surely people will catch onto the fact that you cannot force a nuclear family dynamic onto a group of people as complex as the Batfamily and it's degrading when you try to. surely people will open their eyes and understand what canon says is not what you have to do in fandom and you don't have to advocate for your ship to be canon for it to be a good ship. surely everyone is going to realize that people do not always use terms like "brother" and "sister" and "father" in a rigid familial way and it's a very narrow and westernized view of those terms to assume that's always what they mean. and SURELY people know now that they can ship whatever they damn well please and this whole "batcest" label was always ridiculous and flattening of nuanced dynamics this whole time.

surely these logical conclusions will be drawn by the general fandom of the ship and no one is going to have a massive reaction and advocate for the creator of WFA to change their own work to suite their ship.

anyway. welcome to the Batcest circle StephCass, we've been waiting for you.

jokes aside though- i have endless feelings about this whole debacle ranging from "this is actually fucking hilarious" to "some of you are deeply missing the point you should be learning from this". i've expected DC to "siblingzone" Steph and Cass for a while now, as it's been trending in the general direction of turning the Batfamily into a nuclear family -especially in spaces like WFA- for years now. and for WFA specifically, it doesn't surprise me at all, nor does the outrage about it. but i do think this moment goes to show that WFA has *always* been like this. it has been assigning traits and relationships to characters that don't make sense for years now, and has been praised by the same crowd that is now upset about it. this is no more egregiously flattening of character relationships than the episode where Damian and Tim basically hug their differences out, or Bruce and Jason hug out Jason's PTSD. bc that's just what WFA is. a flattening and nuclear family-ifying property that destroys the nuance of these characters. and you can like it for that if you want, i truly don't care if ppl are fans of WFA or not- sometimes it's good to have the mindless fluff. but this reaction is so overblown to me.

because i've said it before and i'll say it again: no, i don't think StephCass is incestual by nature, and WFA having a passing "sisters" reference doesn't change that. (as said above: calling someone your sister doesn't always imply a familial bond on the level of biological or legal sisters and it's weird to act like it does) but i also don't think JayTim is incestual. nor do i think DamiTim is. and some ships like BruDick or JayDick are complex and context-dependent. because that's the lesson to learn here i want to emphasize again: "Batcest" as a label has always been arbitrary and nonsensical. i like using Batcest as a label bc by labelling myself a Batcest shipper, it makes it clear to the people who don't like Batcest that i'm not for them and vice versa. and in the instances of ships that are incestual, i specifically like them for the sake of exploring their incestual aspects. but the label doesn't work on the whole the way antis tend to use it, and of course it doesn't work for StephCass, but that's the point being made by Batcest shippers calling it Batcest in jest. it doesn't work for most of these ships. it's just a cudgel of a label that's *actually* used to mean "ship that makes me feel icky". and i do hope most StephCass shippers understand that the reason Batcest shippers are making cracks at StephCass now being Batcest is because the fight you're facing of "this one thing called them sisters but this doesn't actually apply to the canon i'm engaging with when i ship them and i don't want to be associated with that when i'm trying to engage with exploring a complex relationship in a romantic lense" applies to a *lot* of shippers labelled as Batcest shippers. some of us like the incest, but some of us don't and are getting lumped in with everyone else. i do feel bad for StephCass shippers to get caught in the crossfire of bad writing, sure. but you know. welcome to the clown car.

also truly as a random aside: stop doing incest math about StephTim. i don't know why i see so many posts using StephTim as a "gotcha" about how StephCass can't be sisters because "Steph is Tim's ex and Cass is Tim's sister so that would make StephTim also incest DC". first of all: there are no transitive properties to psuedo-incest, i fear. like. what. even if we pretend it's a good choice for Steph and Cass to be labeled as sisters, they're not adopted nor biological. it's something a relationship they're defining. it's almost as if that's sort of the point of *found* family, it's *found* in strange places. also have you heard of in-laws. my brother-in-law is just my brother to me because that is the dynamic i have with him and that's sort of how family works. i love you all. but please touch grass.

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damn bro you good?

I'M OKAY TY FOR CHECKING IN. i think it just got slightly overwhelmed, both by the amount of asks i received, as well as struggling to find a personal life/tumblr life balance. i love this blog, but as i've alluded to in tags, i'm a live-in nanny for my infant nephew. and i'm very lucky to have this living arrangement and i certainly have a lot of free time, but bc babies have no schedule and like to fight god, it's hard to get into the groove of writing when at any moment, i might have to help with him. it took me a while to get used to it, but i'm still here i promise!

i think as for future housekeeping, i will continue answering the fun asks i get, but at a much slower rate. and i want to go back to posting more serious comic metas as well, as well as just the things i want to post here. i got a little in over my head and i'm very very pleased to have found the fellow freaks in this fandom, i just did not expect to get so much interaction on such a new blog! so while i did not mean to vanish for a month, i do think it helped me adjust a bit and figure out a personal balance! i should be back for good now tho! <3

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as an apology for being gone for a month, have a uquiz i spent a week making! pls feel free to reblog with which character you got, i worked way too hard on this silly little thing. there are eight different characters you can get that are varying levels of unknown, with comic recommendations for each character <3

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i love JayTim so dearly and i do ship them, but a lot of the propaganda is incorrect (and by extension is very common misinformation in the fandom) so i'd like to clarify. (note: this is not meant to be hate toward the OP! i know the propaganda was not written by the person running the blog, and whoever did write the propaganda also doesn't deserve hate! it's okay to be wrong in fandom! warning: this post is long.)

for our intents and purposes, the canon(s) featuring these two fall into three main categories: pre-Flashpoint (aka: Post-Crisis or preboot), New-52, and Rebirth. for simplicity's sake, i will not be taking adaptations such as Titans (tv) or Gotham Knights (game) into account, as they aren't the primary source people use for ship fodder. breaking this down bit by bit i want to start with:

Age Gap

Jason and Tim are under two years apart in the pre-Flashpoint canon. they meet when Tim is 16 and Jason is 18. when pre-Flashpoint ends, they are 17 and 19 respectively. it's also noteworthy that Jason was dead for six months in-universe, and did not age physically or mentally in this time frame. they meet as teenagers and consider each other in the same peer group. in fact, it's Tim who seems to view Jason as a child/immature (referring to him as such during the Search For A Hero arc of Robin [1993]) meanwhile Jason only seems to view Tim as his peer and even extends respect to him in this way. less than two years doesn't qualify as an age gap imo, especially given they met when they were both older teenagers.

in the New-52 canon, the ages are much more contradictory. constructing a timeline with comics is difficult, but the New-52 *especially* regularly contradicts itself on the timeline. that said, Tim is likely 16 at his introduction in this continuity, and Jason is 18, possibly 19. which once again, gives them a gap of about two years. at best, you could argue Jason is around 20, but that seems unlikely, given how quickly he is introduced after his return as Red Hood. once again, it's worth noting in this continuity he was dead for about six months and did not age.

the Rebirth canon is an extension of the New-52 timeline and thus, *should* keep the New-52 age gap of about two years. however, it does seem like Rebirth has been pushing Jason closer to Dick Grayson's age group (Dick should be about six years older than Jason and eight years older than Tim) with no real explanation, as we've seen Jason more heavily interacting with characters in Dick's age range (Roy Harper, Starfire, etc). this seems to age Jason, to put him on par with those characters. it doesn't help that DC hasn't aged Tim on page, and logically Tim should be in his 20s by now as Dick is nearing his 30s (Dick and Tim's age gap is crucial for Tim's backstory to work but that's a different issue entirely) which would keep Tim and Jason mostly consistent. however, since we haven't seen on-page confirmation of Tim's age, this is where i believe fans falsely assume there's an age gap. most people assume that Jason is currently in his mid-20s and Tim is still 17. given that we have seen every other character age around Tim and haven't had any comic indicate Tim *hasn't* aged, the safest assumption is that he has, and is likely around 21, with Jason around 23. they should be (and by any logical assumption, are) in their early 20s together. this is also likely bc in Tim Drake: Robin, Tim lives on his own on a boat he bought, and his boyfriend (who is the same age as him) is in college. them being further apart is entirely fanon, or misconstrued canon.

Abusive

this is a far more subjective one that's difficult to quantify based on what you personally consider to be an abusive relationship. but in this case, i think it's wildly incorrect. the better term here would be antagonistic.

in the pre-Flashpoint canon, Jason and Tim are almost always on opposite sides and fight during most of their interactions. however, these are mutual fights due to conflicting morals and goals, given Tim is a vigilante hero and Jason tends to be a villain during this era. the main fights these two get into are:

Teen Titans (2003) #29 - the well-known Titans Tower Incident, where Jason ambushes and attacks Tim at Titans Tower. this is the most unbalanced of all their fights and the only one i would almost consider "abusive", but it was an equal fight. Jason beats Tim, but the common fandom misconception that Tim was afraid of Jason and seriously injured by this event is untrue. Tim was insulting Jason the entire time and seemed to come out of the fight with only a few bruises. they fought because of their disagreements on Batman and teenage vigilantes, not because of personal issues. (they did not know each other prior to this, aside from a brief meeting during Batman: Hush, in which Jason did cut Tim's throat, but once again, this was to antagonize Batman)

Robin: Search For A Hero - this fight was over a budding gang war in Gotham, in which Jason and Tim had vastly different beliefs on how it should be handled. it's worth noting in this fight, Jason actually approaches Tim to ask Tim to work with him. the fight is mutually instigated when Tim says no, and Tim ultimately wins when Jason is arrested. the root of this fight was conflicting morals, not personal issues with each other. neither sought the other out to abuse them.

Battle For The Cowl - this fight was once again, instigated mutually (though mostly by Tim, who hunted Jason down) over conflicting morals, as Jason at this point had begun mass murdering people in a Batman suit. Tim confronts him (also in a Batman suit) and they have their most bloody fight, the only fight where Jason arguably was actually trying to kill Tim. they are the most cruel to each other and there is a clear personal hatred, but this comic is notoriously out of character, especially for Jason. still, the conflict was moral, not personal, and certainly not abusive.

aside from these instances, Jason and Tim do not routinely seek the other out to cause physical or mental harm. there is no habitual cruelty they enact upon each other, they are just enemies in the hero/villain sense.

in the New-52 canon, Jason and Tim actually get along quite well. we are introduced to them being very close, and thinking of each other fondly. they work together and are not antagonistic, as Jason is at worst, an antihero during this era and at best, just another vigilante in the Batfamily who's slightly more violent. Jason and Tim have two significant fights, both of which are forced by external forces. in Robin War, the Court of Owls forces them to fight to the death and in Death of the Family, the Joker forces them to fight to the death. both times, they are able to plan a way out of the fight without needed to speak to each other and make it clear they only fought for show.

in Rebirth, the closeness of Jason and Tim isn't as highlighted upon as it is in New-52, but it's still entirely civil and they seem to care for each other. they easily work together in comics such as Robin: Knight Terrors, and once again seem to always be on the same side. when Jason and Tim are on the same side in a fight, they always easily get along.

the Underage and Psuedo-Incest do both qualify here since Tim was technically underage during their first meeting in both continuities and there's the ever-present "technically Bruce Wayne adopted both of them." (though it's worth noting there is no canon where Tim and Jason view each other as brothers. the closest they come is the New-52, where even then they mock the idea of being brothers. they are familial at best, but given they've never had time to significantly develop a domestic bond, it's reductive to consider them to be just brothers because the same guy signed their adoption papers.)

""We're both outsiders in a family of outsiders." - Jason Todd about Himself and Tim Drake

this is true, but only as a part of the New-52 canon. Jason specifically says this during the Robin War arc, though this theme of "outsiders of the outsides" continues throughout the New-52 during all of their significant team-ups and is used to depict the unique bond they have within the larger Batfamily.

Baby Tim did canonly stalk Jason when he was Robin. Jason definitely stalked Tim and had a photo wall for Tim.

this is wildly untrue on both accounts. as for Tim, the only time we see "stalkerish" behavior exhibited is during A Lonely Place of Dying, which is Tim's introduction in the main Batman run, in the pre-Flashpoint timeline. we do see panels of him with a camera to take pictures of Batman and Robin, but nothing implies this was a consistent habit, just a one-time thing to prove his theory about the identities of Batman and Robin. we never see him depicted with a camera in this context again, nor have we any proof this was a regular thing he did as a child. furthermore, the Robin he took pictures of was Dick Grayson. Dick was Tim's childhood hero (because he met Dick when Dick was a Flying Grayson), not Jason. we have nothing to indicate Tim was stalking Batman and Robin during Jason's tenure.

moreover, from the information we do have about Tim's feelings on Jason while Jason was dead, Tim doesn't hold Jason to a heroic idol status. this is very common fanon/misinformation, the idea of stalker!Tim in general, but especially in relation to Tim stalking Jason specifically. (and once again, calling Tim a "baby" seems like an exaggeration, as Jason would've been 14/15 and Tim 12/13 during this time frame, if this happened). during Detective Comics: Rite of Passage, the arc that leads to Tim becoming Robin, Tim does respect Jason's legacy and holds it to a high standard. but these feelings do not revolve Jason as a person and instead, the idea of the second Robin who died in the mantle, and how that legacy proves the danger Tim faces when he takes on the mantle.

later on in Batman (1940) #456 when Tim is Robin, we do see Tim hallucinate/daydream Jason cheering him on, though Tim also internally views Jason's death as Jason's fault, due to his own impulsiveness and inability to follow orders. Tim's opinion of Jason during this time was neutral, leaning on victim blaming. there was no hero worship or stalking.

on Jason's side of things, once again, there is no stalking behavior. it is true Jason briefly had a photo wall of Tim! this is again the pre-Flashpoint timeline (in the New-52/Rebirth, we only ever see Jason and Tim as an established friendship, we don't have much information on how or when they met, or their feelings on each other prior to meeting) specifically in Red Hood: Lost Days. however, Jason did not take these pictures. Talia al Ghul gave him the pictures to show him that Batman had replaced him with a new Robin. Jason was the one who put the pictures on his wall, just to angst and be weird over them, which certainly makes him unwell about Tim, but it was never stalking behavior.

Jason says that Tim is the only BatFam member who doesn't make him want to throw up. At one point he asks Tim to be his Robin and when Tim says no he immediately beats the shit out of him and shoots him."

the first account is true, Jason does say this about Tim. once again, in Robin War, during the New-52 timeline. i think this was a slight exaggeration on Jason's part, as he tended to speak in hyperbole during that run, but at the very least he was truthful about the general sentiment of preferring Tim above everyone else in the Batfamily.

the second account is true but more complicated. firstly, this is the pre-Flashpoint timeline, so to mash it together with things Jason has said about Tim in the New-52 is shoving two different canons together, where Tim and Jason held wildly different relationships. secondly, Jason says this during their fight in Battle For The Cowl. which as said above, was wildly out of character for Jason. it's noteworthy that Jason also asks Dick to be his Robin just one issue later, so this offer wasn't entirely unique to Tim. Jason does respect Tim and thinks Tim has a lot of great potential that's being held back by his loyalty to Bruce (the only part of BftC that is in character for Jason, tbh).

however, to be slightly pedantic, Jason does not shoot Tim during this encounter. when Tim says no, Jason stabs him in the chest with a batarang and leaves him for dead, then claims he killed Tim later on.

these two are unwell about each other in every canon, and even at their most antagonistic have some wild complexes about each other. this poll left out some of their other fun moments, such as during the pre-Flashpoint timeline, Tim broke Jason out of prison for no real reason (Search For A Hero). or during the New-52, Tim is able to recognize Jason by his smell alone (Death of the Family). they are always incapable of being normal about each other and their antagonistic history does make it such a fun ship, even when you strip away the parts that are misinformation. and to be fair, the fanon misinfo is still fun for headcanons and fanfic! it's just that this fandom often confuses canon and fanon.

Do you ship it?

Reasons: Abusive - Age Gap - Underage - Pseudo-incest

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Propaganda:

""We're both outsiders in a family of outsiders." - Jason Todd about Himself and Tim Drake

They are both so unwell about each other.

Baby Tim did canonly stalk Jason when he was Robin. Jason definitely stalked Tim and had a photo wall for Tim.

Jason says that Tim is the only BatFam member who doesn't make him want to throw up. At one point he asks Tim to be his Robin and when Tim says no he immediately beats the shit out of him and shoots him."

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LMAO jayhelenaroy starting with Roy doing his usual “sleaze all over women especially when he thinks they have a BF” thing but then unexpectedly jayhelena aren’t even dating AND jays really into it

HA I LOVE THIS. i just love Roy's sleazy era where he'd fuck any woman just bc he could. he was unhinged and it was delightful. and it's even funnier if he makes the assumption Jason and Helena are dating with no *actual* evidence. he hasn't even really seen them together outside of vigilante stuff. to him it's just a natural logic leap. similar values, disliked by Bruce, probably dating. they certainly seem like each other's type. also infinitely funnier if Roy hasn't processed his own sexuality, so he interprets his feelings for both of them as just wanting to spite Jason, for some reason. which obviously, the only way to do that is to fuck Helena, who's surprisingly receptive to Roy's bad flirting.

and so when Roy goes to gloat to Jason and gets... very little reaction, it's confusing for everyone. Jason is both amused and complimented that Roy thought he pulled Helena in the first place. bc he never thought about Helena that way until *now* that Roy's brought it up. now Jason wants all the details and he's prodding Roy for more. and it takes Roy a second to figure out that it isn't *just* a crush on Helena, but maybe a thing for Roy too. the ensuing sexuality crisis is free entertainment for Jason. and it does eventually lead to a threesome where Helena is beyond done with both of them.

[necrotic-nephilim]

Hmm

You ever think about how Tim doesn't really feel guilty about the stuff he's done? Like some of it is really fucked up. But he doesn't feel guilty about it.

Do you ever wonder if he thinks there's something wrong with him? That the spot that's supposed to remind you about guilt and "keep you in check" is just a hole that is just empty. No nagging feelings just.. quiet acceptance.

You ever think about how Jason has too much guilt? How he holds onto things that aren't even his fault and seethes and falls into the feelings until they're eating him alive. And he has to let it out somehow or he'll end up doing something even worse, but still ends up with blood on his hands.

Jason staring at his hands and seeing blood.

Tim staring at his hands and feeling nothing.

Both of them reaching out to the other and saying.

"It's okay. I'm broken too."

Tim doesn't see blood on Jason's hands, he sees scars and warmth.

Jason doesn't see Tim as lacking something, he sees confidence in who he is.

[necrotic-nephilim]

Here are the prompts for Timdami / Damitim week 2024!!

Some quick info and rules:

Tag all works you make for this year’s timdami week with the tag timdamiweek and/or timdamiweek2024.

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Prompts are left up to individual interpretation. You can choose one prompt for any given day, or you can try to combine the two prompts for any given day, it is up to you.

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[necrotic-nephilim]

https://www.tumblr.com/necrotic-nephilim/763928808823963648/au-this?source=share

#make a Steph an al ghul to balance it out or something.

oh you could have stephanie come back later like jason and damian post bruce's "death" and she could be pissed and ok maybe she didn't expect him to kill Black Mask but this asshole immediately put tim back in the suit and just didn't seem to react to the fact she "died" at all

(linked post) OOOOH YEAH yeah, that would be so fun! i always love anything that explores Steph's feelings about her death and how Bruce handled it, especially if it puts her on the same side as Jason. i think it's fun if she's an al Ghul in this AU, but also fun if Jason and Damian just. *steal her*. convince her that they're More Right than Dick and Tim and that they're just as disillusioned by Bruce as she is. she's their sister, literally or figuratively. because she understands what it feels like to be cast aside by Bruce.

meanwhile, Cass is devout to the symbol of Batman, making her firmly on Dick and Tim's side. could this lead to StephCass but of an incredibly fucked up variety? yes. i love the difference of the two sides of siblings being entirely whether or not they felt "accepted" by Bruce. it adds so much to the rivalry and the eventual romances. they're either going to tear each other apart or fuck. probably both.

[necrotic-nephilim]

https://www.tumblr.com/mistress-of-vos/748660814592065536/jason-damian-and-jean-paul-dressed-up-as-batman?source=share

(linked post) i LOVE Mistress' content sm and this post is so delightful to me. and i do find it delightful that most of the people i ship Tim with have been Batman (or, at the very least tried to be) at some point. Bruce, Dick, Jean-Paul, Jason, Damian, Helena B. i think it's so fun if Tim just has a Batman fetish, and his interest in his partner is entirely reliant on their connection to Batman. he can date them if they're not Batman, but it's an unspoken understanding that he's going to be more interesting if the mantle is involved.

this is fun both for a serious concept and crack. the crack is just that when Bruce dies or vanishes or is incapacitated for the umpteenth time and the argument over who should be Batman is solely on the precipice of everyone who wants to fuck Tim arguing over it. and on the serious side of it, i think it's fun if Tim has a very specific concept of Batman in his head, that uses the best traits of each of these people and thoroughly critiques their "worse" aspects that don't reflect what he thinks Batman should be when they are Batman. Tim of all people should have very little say over what Batman is and isn't, but somehow he's got enough people wrapped around his finger that he does. makes for a lot of fun moral arguments amidst fucking.

it's also fun if Tim is always Robin for them. playing into the idea of Tim being trapped in the role while everyone else moves on, he's the one who's loyal. somehow even if it's Damian or Jason as Batman, Tim is their loyal Robin. they don't even ask it of him, they just default assume he *will* be their Robin. that is practically a right of Batman, to have Tim by their side. he's a little freak for the mantle, but he's also the stable partner who finds the way to bend over backward to help each of them through their various quirks. he's always so *giving*, so it's easy to fall for someone that loyal to you.

i just think there should be more exploration of Tim Drake's Batman Fetish and all the possibilities it has. the cowl stays on during fucking. he would give anything to whoever Batman is. but he's very particular on trying to control what Batman is. constant struggle of power that will always be delightfully unhinged. he also wants Batman to choke him. he's not picky about who's in the suit.