#implied tgck

[linkyychan]

I had to draw one of my favourite scenes from ISYH, Ochako is such an amazing character and seeing her growth was so satisfying

Go read the fic on this link. It's by @firesign-18, i've finished reading the fic a few days ago and it was suuuuch a ride. I'll leave my thoughts below the read more 🥹

HI! if you're reading this..... i went a bit crazy reading this fic it was such an amazing work. If you haven't read it yet, don't read what I'm gonna write here.

I was recommended this fic months ago but I put it aside because there weren't that many chapters out yet and i just KNEW i needed a bunch of chapters out before starting it, cause i would have trouble not reading it all so fast after reading just the summary. That was a fantastic decision, it was so worth the wait.

I want to talk about it in sections so i can explain my thoughts properly :') There's so many aspects of the fic I loved and I wanna take the time to explain because I never really do it and this time I want to..

First the beginning and the little changes: We start off with our favourite, miserable Ochako (yay canon!), except this time it's even worse cause even less of her fight with himiko was recorded. I was kinda scared there but of course i shouldnt have doubted for a second. Anyway, Himiko is alive!! and the heroes got a way to salvage the footage of the tgck fight from Ochako's mind, so it gives her hope again :)

I wanna move forward a bit after Himiko is back because I wanted to talk about something I like to wonder a lot: how do you write a redemption arc for himiko toga post last war. I've read a bunch of fics with the same premise and I always love those who get a bunch of people to come together to help her achieve it. I love the UA involvement, as well as All Might, Miruko and Ochako of course. And the concepts of the strikes and conditions are very realistic, I liked seeing how we were gonna achieve Hero Himiko someday. All the process explained, I love when its this detailed!

I do wanna talk about another aspect before jumping into the tgck big stuff: OCs. I love OCs so much. There's Dr Ellie and the Spares who are the most important here. First Dr Ellie- whats not to like abotu her. She's been helping Himiko for a long time now, we grew to know her too, and she has a badass past, we were all gonna like her. Now the siblings: yeah i do think it's a big decision to make the villains OCs, and it really worked because they were so well developped. I went to a whole lot of emotions with them, from anger (*cough* chapter 43), through sadness and joy :') They were easy to sympathise with, and i just love how again, everyone decided the "save them" route. It really fit well with Himiko's story.

OKAY now tgck my beloved... i am so happy they got together-ish relatively fast because oh boy were they down for each other so bad. I love how it tackled their lives in relation to their future job as hero, this is a part I'm always curious to see. I really prefer when a future where Himiko is alive doesn't revolve 100% around Ochako. I want to see what she could do herself, grow with others and I think this fic accomplished this perfectly. I like that she's able to forgive herself and grow and imagine a future where she is thriving. Himiko means so much to me as a character and she was written beautifully. For Ochako, I love it soo much when she's strong and so skilled and she's pushing her limits. I loved exploring her grief and her hopes, then her struggles with selflessness vs trying to be a bit more selfish for a change. These two complement each other so well. That was such an amazing read, I'll probable have to read it again in a few weeks to relive it all.

Anyway I'm not sure who took the time to read all this, I don't usually do comments or something besides a few heart emotes here and there but for that fic, it was so good I just wanted to write something and now I've spent a long time writing :') It just hits all the boxes in tgck tropes for me so it was a blast to read!

(Also shout-out to possessive Ochako, i really love her being as crazy for himiko as himiko is for her....)

[marronje]

Just listen to me I'm not crazy-

Hanahaki AU Himiko would be ecstatic to have hanahaki

It's practically the embodiment of how she sees love – blood and flowers are so. fucking. cute.

Just imagine her over a dirty sink in an abandoned house which league currently occupies, lead here by a persistent itch in her throat, doubling over in a violent coughing fit. But then she opens her eyes – before her a single pink camellia in precious splatters of red, sharply contrasting the the pristine white of the tiles.

She lifts her head to look at her muddy reflection in the cracked mirror. She smiles. No, it's the crazed, manic, awed grin.

Himiko Toga, no doubt, is happy.

[cincincinnanom]

25 for ask game + Ochako :3

Okay okay, I've always like ochako and my love for her grew through toga litteraly being my favorite villain I'm the series. So as toga went through her arc and ochako went through hers I just started loving ochako even more.

At first we kinda see her as a one dimensional love interest for deku but once you look at ochako's character through toga if she were the main protagonist everything changes about cohako.

Which is why I love the horikoshi wrote her, she descives her whole acratype she isn't one dimensional this is shown best her the sports festival when she goes aganst bakugo.

AAAA I JUST LOVE HOW HORI WROTE OCHAKO AND TOGA AND HOW NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU WOBT UNDERSTAND THEM AS CHARACTERS WITTOUT LOOKING THROIGH THOSE TWO. You'll never understand toga without looking at her through ochako's eyes and you'll never understand ochako without looking through her with toga's eyes and I love that.

[bi-focal12]

looking for fellow writers!! togachako writing game edition

interested in writing a second part to a short togachako fic i wrote?

i dont really plan on doing anything with this piece so i think it'd be really fun to see people's takes on how to continue it! like a super low pressure writing game

if you do participate, pls tag me or reblog so i can see your contribution!! even if its just a few lines!

the fic is a loose play on frankenstein with some adam & eve elements thrown in (and the unnamed girl is ochako)

have at it! :)

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Toga was a bloodied thing, she knew. 

She was born with cold metal kissing her bare skin and electricity shrieking down her spine. Her first breath- a choking, cut-off scream- was not even her own, the memory too tightly braided with the boom of Dr. Garaki's laughter in his small laboratory. 

I made you, he had explained, pain still ringing oddly in her skull. 

She had been made, not born, and no one loved to remind her of this fact more than Dr. Garaki himself. 

Pet, he called her, grinning indulgently in his tall, wingback office chair. The reflection of his glasses shone like fire. Like the spark that had jolted her alive. 

I made you, he’d say. I made you. 

But what am I? Toga would ask, twin pinpricks of too-sharp teeth digging into her too-wide lips while she fumbled out the words, warmth dribbling from her rosy smile. 

Dr. Garaki did not like this image, nor the question. 

You are my creation, he’d snap, the floor rumbling with the force of his rise from the wingback chair. Do you not trust me, pet? 

Toga would watch the sky flash outside the dark windows of the laboratory and nod, nod, nod because she did not know what she was but she knew punishment well. 

All Toga knew was punishment and Inside. 

The Inside of the laboratory, which smelled faintly of the coins that slipped between uneven couch cushions, and the Inside of Toga- drawn from her own disordered lips- red as plush velvet and twice as sweet. 

Good, Dr. Garaki would say from behind his wide, unbreachable desk. Now behave. 

Behave, behave, behave. 

This word buzzed around Toga’s head like the constant drone of heavy machinery in the lab. It followed her when she closed her fists around home-smelling coins, retrieved from their hiding places late at night, and when she draped her goose-bumped body in the off-limits, grass-green curtains, and, louder still, when she peered out of small, dirt-smeared windows, asking after the word for grass.

Red had leaked from her cheek, then, bursting forth from the skin by the rings adorning Dr. Garaki’s punishing hand. But the word had slipped out as he’d shouted. 

Toga’s tongue had darted to the corner of her mouth and she’d imagined the word blooming over her tongue- swallowed and safe within herself. 

Yes, Toga knew of Inside well. She craved the taste of Outside, now. 

Outside she saw a girl with red flowers in her hand, picked from the border of Dr. Garaki’s property, and high on her cheeks laid a dusting of soft-petalled blush. 

Toga had never known the color red could be so gentle.

Toga longed to be picked from the laboratory like the thorned stems in the girl’s steady hands. To be lifted up. To be held. 

“You’re not supposed to be looking through there,” Twice whispered from over Toga’s shoulder. “It’s bad.” 

Toga gnawed on her bottom lip, drawing red to the surface until she matched the roses being carried further and further from the laboratory. 

“Why?” she asked. 

Toga didn’t know who she was asking- Twice, the disappearing girl, or the flowers? 

Twice was the only one to respond. 

“Because Dr. Garaki said it’s bad,” he reminded her nervously. 

Toga watched the girl’s form begin to blur on the horizon. 

Twice shook her shoulder and Toga’s gaze slipped to the touch, observing the firm boundary between Toga and Twice. His fingers held the same shape as Dr. Garaki’s- more same than Toga’s- yet held none of the anger. Only urgency. 

“How come Dr. Garaki gets to make all the rules?” Toga asked. 

Twice’s hand slipped away like the question had bitten him, and, Toga thought to herself, maybe it had. With Twice’s same-enough hands he could cradle lessons from Dr. Garaki on how to name the objects in the laboratory. His scratching fingers could be gently pulled away from his seams. He could hold close the smiling shape of son on Dr. Garaki’s lips. 

Twice held the honor of being made same-enough while Toga’s hands and heart and smile were wrong, wrong, wrong. 

Pet, Dr. Garaki said, teeth glistening behind a simper. Filthy-

“Mr. Garaki wants what’s best for us,” Twice said, twitching on the last syllable and scratching the ragged line carved down his forehead. 

“Does he?” Toga questioned. 

How do you know? she wanted to ask. She craved his certainty with a desperation that left her Inside chest pounding hard against the firm line of her Outside body. 

Twice twitched. 

“I trust him.” 

The dull roar of the laboratory seemed loud today, and Toga felt restless. 

“Do you trust?” Twice asked. 

Toga’s mouth quivered and she turned her gaze back to the small window. The girl was gone now but she would be back tomorrow. 

Toga flinched as the door slammed open and Dr. Garaki appeared a moment later. 

Pet or-

“Filthy woman,” Dr. Garaki muttered, striding forward to yank the green curtain from Toga’s body. The view of Outside disappeared. 

Toga shivered. 

“Don’t you know your shame dirties you?” Dr. Garaki continued, staring at the Outside of her body. 

Could he see the Inside?

Toga desperately hoped that he couldn’t. 

“It’s unbecoming of my creations,” he stated before spinning on his covered foot to stride through his office door, a box of rattling machine parts held in his arms. 

Toga’s trust in Dr. Garaki was as brittle as the vase she had tipped over the other day, fascinated by the sound it made when it hit the floor. Left in a puddle of red after Dr. Garaki had found her. 

Inside herself, Toga said, I do not trust Dr. Garaki, and shame bloomed hot and heavy in her chest. 

She felt like the vase, one breathless moment before it shattered. 

“Toga?” Twice whispered, eyes drooping with concern. 

“It’s cold,” Toga whispered. 

Twice fidgeted for a moment, his nails hesitating a  few inches from his sewn-together face. After a furtive glance towards Dr. Garaki’s closed office door, he gave into the urge to scratch, leaving raking, red lines across his Outside. 

“I know,” he murmured. “Do I? I…yes. I know.” 

Toga blinked away the blurry heat gathering in her eyes and reached out with her not-same-enough hand until it rested on Twice’s knee. 

Slowly, she ran her hand up and down one length of his leg. Then faster. 

Twice stared. 

“See?” she whispered. “It makes warmth.”

“I…” Twice peeked over his shoulder, towards the door Dr. Garaki had disappeared behind. “…see. I see. I do.”

Toga removed her hand and watched Twice repeat the action for himself. 

Toga turned back to the green curtain, looking in the place she knew the window lived, and began rubbing warmth back into her arms as she imagined the girl. 

I trust her, Toga decided. 

And how lovely was it for there to be a her that wasn’t Toga? A her that Toga might be same-enough for. 

Dr. Garaki cursed the Outside people but Toga bit her lip and danced with the idea that the girl from Outside might see Toga- red as the roses she always returned to- and pluck her, instead. 

And then maybe Toga could live how she wanted to. Cursed or not.

[evelynpr]

I'm so sad about the bury your gays trope being used like this again when there is so much that couldve been done with a character like himiko, changing society, understanding villains, etc. But omg I was generally pretty satisfied with Ochako's ending focusing on her in hero society enacting the QCP!!! It made me so goddamn happy that Himiko lives on through her and she's helping so many more kids T__T

but damnit I guess...death has its own narrative weight...or smth aaaaaaaaaa as if we don't have the rest of the LoV for that already aaaaaaa T__T

I even have similar sentiments abt izch. I wrote a whole post abt why theyre actually a tragedy imo which was inspired by the chapter Tepid Green Tea! One of my favs cus of just how fucking heartbreaking, compelling, and fitting it is for them to have those kinds of feelings for each other. I actually really love their dynamic, but I just don't see them as endgame narratively speaking hahaha

I have a lot of thoughts abt this extra and the ending in general, but tbh I think I'll leave those for another day otherwise this post would be way too long lmAO (also hell YES Ochako looks so fckin gorgeous ohmyfuckinggod Asdkjkljslkjksl)

holy shit I cant wait for the comphet side fic alkdjfakd but basically yes, I share pretty similar sentiments about this extra :'>

I would love to hear your thoughts on ch431 if you're willing to share, especially since better translations are finally out! Also, I guess since I'm curious too, would it affect ISYH in any way?

Hahahaha SO I had written a big spiel for the notes of chapter 47 and talked myself out of it but, just for you, okay!

One bit of disclosure - I originally really liked IzuOcha but the increasingly one-sided nature of it, and the rise of tgck, made me very indifferent about it. So maybe I’m less inherently hostile to it.

So anyway, here’s what I wrote at the time…

Probably an unpopular opinion (pls don’t shout at me 🤣) but to be honest, I didn’t hate it - it was largely what I expected from the ending the moment Himiko’s death was confirmed, and I was so pleased to get a lot more on the QCP work Ochako was leading alongside more on her relationship with Himiko (some people got very vexed about her referring to Himiko as almost like a vestige, but it makes a lot of sense! How tragic but moving that Himiko is still so close to her heart after all this time 🥹). What’s sad, though, is togachako as a ship was truly so queer (and BkDk too, though in my personal view that’s a bit less clear cut from a romantic POV than our girls, despite the way the boys are utterly obsessed with each other) and a lot of younger fans in particular seem to be really struggling with the Shonen archetype of queer build up and no pay off. It’s frustrating for those of us who are queer, of course it is, and with this in particular IMO it all directly stems from the decision to kill Himiko. She lives and a multitude of possibilities emerge. If only we’d stop burying queer characters FOR plot purposes then maybe we could have them fulfil even greater purpose IN our plots.

I also would have liked to have seen Katsuki smile but the translations coming out since the official version dropped have, IMO at least, softened the conversation between him and Izuku in the car and that made me less confused and sad about that too. Ultimately Izuku has a right to choose the path that makes most sense to him as an adult in his mid-20s - he doesn’t have to remain the wide-eyed 16 y/o who thought Kacchan was perfect forever, but it would have been nice to have seen a bit more of that kid coming through. E.g., I would have liked him to have countered Katsuki’s sidekick offer by saying uh no we’re going to compete and chase each other for the rest of our lives, so get ready No.15 for me to be the most kick-ass part-time hero ever and rocket up the rankings!

I also am a bit baffled at how little change there is in hero society, but hey, that was a problem with the entire ending and not just with 431. As you can tell, that’s one thing I am trying hard to fix in my wee story.

However, one thing that is beyond repute - adult Ochako is an absolute smoke show, so at least there’s something for us all to agree on! 😍

What did YOU think @evelynpr ??

I’m writing a little comphet fic on the side about it that I’m really enjoying - will hopefully get it out next week at some point 🤪

[real-hot-grl-shi]

WHAT THE FUCK DID I SAY ALL THESE YEARS OF FIGHTING FOR MY FAVORITE SHIP, ALL THESE YEARS OF BKDK AND NOW TGCK SHIPPERS TELLING ME IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AND TO KMS. WHERE DID THAT GET THEM. I WIN. IZUOCHA IS FINALLY CANNON. AFTER ALL THESE YEARS OF FIGHTING. ITS FINALLY HERE. WOMP WOMPPPPPPPPPPP (only to the toxic/immature bkdk tgck shippers the ones that arent ilysm) IZUOCHA 2024444444444444444444444HSKJDHKSHKDJSHDSJHKHHSDKJDHSJKSDDSHDKS THIS IS A DREAM SB WAKE ME UP (real shit why tf did sb cry about the ship being cannon/heavily implied like ITS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD GET UP LMFAO) why are yall so worried about their sexualities in the first place like ERM (targeted to the bakugou rumors THAT ARENT FUCKING TRUE LIKE WHO CARES IF HES MARRIED TO A WOMAN its me. LIKE THAT DOESNT EVEN CHANGE HIS CHARACTER??? LIKE YALL TOO OLD FOR THIS. anyways shoto kirishima denki izuku and katsuki are SO FINE OMFG ESPECIALLY DENKI AND SHOTO LIKE SOMEBODY HOLD ME BACK AND PUT A MUZZLE ON ME IM ABOUT TO GO INSANE LIKE LET ME GET A PIECE OF THAT DANGALANG BC I KNOW ITS GOOD ABSBJDHISHIDH

anyways absolute cinema BESIDES THE FACT THAT MY MEN MONOMA AND IIDA HAVE THOSE STUPID ASS HAIRCUTS IM DONE IS THIS WHAT I GET WHY COME FOR MY MEN???? HORI WHEN I FUCKING CATCH YOUR ASS CHANGE IT BACKKCKCKCKCK

how i sleep knowing that izuocha is cannon and all the ➡TOXIC.⬅ tgck & bkdk who laughed and aruged with me about the ships in the past are FUCKING WRONG

anyways amazing writing hori now im gonna cry into my pillow while reading shoto x reader now that i know that mha is offically over

[dekusleftsock]

How shocked and how dramatic do you think the broader scope of mha consumers will be when toga doesn’t actually die? How they’re jumping the gun into thinking that she’s dead just due to a blood transfusion?

Imma be honest I am living in a bit of an echo chamber rn, there’s not all that much I really KNOW about their reactions.

For all I know, I feel like it’ll be an average Tuesday yk, kinda like when bakugou wasn’t ACTUALLY dead and people weren’t freaking out over it.

I have this like, image in my head sometimes. Ochako, Izuku, Katsuki, and Toga are standing on a hill in silence with a sunset background. There’s nothing said, no words spoken, but it’s always what I imagine the ending to this series. Do I think or want what I imagine to happen? Not really. I want toga and ochako to get a kiss, or at the very least I want bkdk to kiss bc it IS a slowburn.

But unfortunately what I’m personally most scared of is if izu//ocha just never become a thing and… bkdk + tgck are just implied. Because it’s not what I think will create genuine change. What will create change is a confirmation of one or both of them that, yes, these two same sex characters are lovers. And there’s no argument you can make, or theory you can write, or hc that can make this be anything than what it is: True queer representation.

Do I think toga not being dead will create uproar? Maybe some. Maybe in the distant annoying fans on Twitter who complain about “the 30 year old white women who like bkdk”, but do they really matter? They’re a loud minority sure, but most of them are just fucking wannabe edgelords that like making people angry or uneasy. They like a show, a reaction. That’s it. That’s all they ever want.

But what I want though? I want shonen jump’s merch to take a spike in sales for mha, I want people across the world confused and disoriented that this random anime has been trending for weeks on Twitter, I want tumblr to break itself and your dash to be filled with nothing but the fact that mha’s joke ships fucking won. Bkdk’s are REALLY easy to make fun of. A lot of them are teenagers, a lot of them are lgbt, and there’s a lot of them in general. They’re everywhere. Just like how in my state we call New Yorkers the “roaches of the east coast”, mha fans are kind of the roaches of anime fandoms. It would affect everyone, even people who could give less of a fuck about the manga.

(I mean that in the best way possible btw, I love that we’re everywhere and I can be connected to so many different types of people just bc mha is so big. WE THE ROACHES BABYYYYY)

What I mean by all of this is that, I want mha to be a silly footnote in queer history. There’s very few shows that get the opportunity to even be decently popular, much less as popular as mha. In my mind, mha has a chance to say “fuck you” to all of the misogynistic and homophobic people in the world personally. They came into mha to get a battle shonen, and they leave with the first large shonen manga with not one, but two queer love stories.

That doesn’t happen often, or ever. Horikoshi has the ability to make a name for himself as someone who mattered, or someone who became another cog in the machine. Thats what I think will truly create a reaction.

[haleigh-sloth]

The Togachako ship discourse on TWT is wild 😭 I’m seeing so many peeps go wild at each other, getting toxic and some peeps have even somehow managed to make it into BakuDeku discourse too. Like using it to bitch about BakuDeku shippers 🙄 which I know I get it they can be really annoying, loud and toxic themselves(not all of them though I have some friends who are BKDK’s and are chill)but wow some people really do just want to start ship discourse I swear! And it’s always the most popular ships at the centre!

Honestly as someone who’s not really into ships, like I have ships I like but I’m not invested in the ship side of things really! I really do feel like shippers as a whole are ok, but there’s toxicity on both sides but some of shippers etc do not want to admit it! IzuOcha’s and BakuDeku’s are 90% of the time are the centre of ship discourse, and I have seen toxicity on both sides and like not each shipper of those ships are toxic and loud! It’s just that the toxic and loud ones, are the ones whom scream the loudest especially on TWT!

I’ve ragged on bkdk as a result of the tgckship shit but I also do that regardless lmao

The bkdk fan base is truly an anomaly among ship culture like I’ve never seen anything like it until this fandom, so yeah

I never see izuochas doing anything but it’s probably bc I’m not outside of my fandom bubble much.

I’ve been annoyed lately because inside my bubble I’ve seen a lot of “this is queer baiting” and “if tgck isn’t canon then it erases the point” which….are stupid. I won’t rag on the DESIRE to have it be canon and the complaint that in general it just can’t be, BUT I will say that insisting that any time a queer ship that is very purely fanon doesn’t end up canon is just queer baiting, well I feel it draws attention away from what is actually queer baiting.

There is nothing suggesting Ochacko suddenly just tossed her crush on the protag aside to run away with Toga, never been implied that it’ll happen. In fact the crush keeps being hammered in more esp recently, so I’ll keep saying that people getting their typing guns ready to fire “homophobic” and “queer baiter” at Horikoshi bc their ship won’t be canon are ridiculous. The bkdk fan base has been ready to fire for a while too which is even more ridiculous than this recent wave of shit.

And whatever endgame we get does not change Toga’s status as a bi girl so yeah, people ignoring that fact is annoying af.

I dislike 90% of the fanon ships associated with this fandom so I just look at it from the outside like

[real-hot-grl-shi]

real shit though i feel like hori did an amazing job at izuocha since season one. People who say that a simple crush on a guy ruins a womans character development from the root especially the love interest being a great guy like izuku has obviously watched the show with their eyes closed. If you favor bakugou/toga (who is a dead teenage girl so shipping her TEENAGE SELF with OCHAKOS TIMESKIP is kinda weird. not the ship itself, but them being in two different age ranges.) thats ok, but please dont bash izuocha just to be petty (like the lavender wedding thingy, like please dont do that knowing izuocha ppl will see it, like putting it on the tags and stuff.) Especially grown women crying about it and the mass blockings?? Like guys its HIS ocs?? its his decision. And he went with the ship thats been implied from the very beginning. And thats ok! you can still keep shipping tgck and bkdk! nobodys stopping you! but please dont bash izuocha in order to do that. thats all i gotta say

also this is only to the toxic fans of bkdk/tgck, the rest of yall are cool ^^

[cincincinnanom]

NO NO NO BECAUSE SHE WOULD BE. she wouof finally have a way to connect her way of loving with a normal persons because everyone can get hanahaki and she's been told all her life that tye way she loves isn't right but if she can get hanahaki that means it is right that what she is is love.

Shed be ecstatic not only is hanahaki bloody it also means that someone she loves can love her back.

Just listen to me I'm not crazy-

Hanahaki AU Himiko would be ecstatic to have hanahaki

It's practically the embodiment of how she sees love – blood and flowers are so. fucking. cute.

Just imagine her over a dirty sink in an abandoned house which league currently occupies, lead here by a persistent itch in her throat, doubling over in a violent coughing fit. But then she opens her eyes – before her a single pink camellia in precious splatters of red, sharply contrasting the the pristine white of the tiles.

She lifts her head to look at her muddy reflection in the cracked mirror. She smiles. No, it's the crazed, manic, awed grin.

Himiko Toga, no doubt, is happy.