The fact that the spn fandom is entirely incapable of a nuanced discussion involving Dean and the relationship with his mother shouldn’t surprise me as much as it did when I came back to fandom, and as much as it still does when I’m forced to see it with my own two eyeballs
Mary Winchester was a person before she was a mother, and I’m going to be so honest with you, I think by the time she died, John didn’t like who that person was. So I think when she died, he did what a lot of people do, which is put the person they lost on a pedestal. And that’s who Dean grew up hearing about, that’s what all of his memories of his mom were contextualized with, this person who didn’t exist. And so then his mom comes back and I think it’s very, very clear to Dean almost immediately that this isn’t the same person John told him about.
In the real world, we have no context to draw from and nothing to compare it to, the experience of getting a dead parent back and to be part of your life again. We can’t know how he felt beyond what we were shown in canon - So of course Dean is thrilled, but he’s also a Winchester and deeply traumatized, and tries so hard to make it seem normal and not internalize his complicated feelings about her and her being alive. He’s dealing with:
Grappling with losing the mother he was told she was and resenting mary for it because she’s standing in front of him
Realizing that John robbed so much from him by denying him the version of his mother who feels like looking in a mirror
The guilt of how and why mary is there
Trying to reconcile his feelings of resentment and anger that he knows should be directed at John, but John’s not there, so they end up getting directed at mary, and feeling bad about that
A deeply traumatized inner child who has his safe person back, and just wants his mom to hold him and tell him it’s going to be okay, but he knows that isn’t fair to ask of her
And meanwhile mary was dealing with
✨trauma✨ from being brought back to life
Having to confront her own failures as a parent (which is silly it’s not her fault she died but y’know, feelings tend to be silly)
Having to reconcile her toddler with the man in front of her who’s older than her being her son
Seeing so much of John’s worst qualities in both of them and recognizing the trauma of a shitty dad
The fact that they had this idea of who she was, and it’s nothing like her at all, and trying to understand why John would lie to them while also probably coming to terms with what looks like confirmation of her own worst fears about who she was as a parent
I cannot stress this enough: the last time her feet touched the ground, she had been married, with a new baby, and a 4 year old, she wasn’t a hunter, John barely knew about hunting, and it was the 80’s. She woke up in what, 2017 and her husband’s dead, her babies are grown men (again: older than her!!!) and the most prolific hunters in the world. Oh, also, angels? God? The afterlife?? Funny story! Like I’m sorry, you wanted her to have well-adjusted coping skills for that????
The Mary hate just gets me because she’s Dean in a different font, and so many of y’all hate her for such superficial bullshit that you could let go of if you took 5 seconds to think about the situation critically for both of them. The only bad guy here is, was and will always be John Winchester. John was there, but Mary tried her best. Mary tried to do what was best for them when she left, because she didn’t want to damage their idea of who she was anymore than she had. Mary literally died trying to save Sam from the destiny that heaven had written for him - John couldn’t be bothered to think about his kids.
And if you think that Dean ever genuinely hated Mary, your critical thinking skills need some work. The thing that prompts his speech in 12.22 is Mary saying to his younger self, “I only want good things for you, Dean. I'll never let anything bad happen to you.” So he says
I hate you. And I love you. 'Cause I can't – I can't help it. You're my Mom. And I understand...'cause I have made deals to save the ones I love more than once.
I forgive you. I forgive you. For all of it. Everything. On the other side of this, we can start over, okay? You, me, Sam. We can get it right this time. But I need you to fight. Right now, I need you to fight. I need you – I need you to look at me, Mom. I need you to really look at me and see me. Mom, I need you to see me. Please.
Translation: “you’re right. I resent you for not being the person I was sold, I resent you for your death being the thing that ruined dad, I resent you for being the touchstone for so many of heaven’s plans for us. I resent you because you’re here, and John isn’t, and it’s easier to hate someone tangible than someone dead. And if I hate you, it’s only because I can see so much of myself in you, and I’m so incredibly angry that John treated us the way he did. My whole world, my whole identity revolves around you being someone that you never were, and wrapping my head around that is scary, but when I pull my head out of my ass and look around, you were just a kid. And you did your best, you’ve always tried to do what’s best for me and Sam, and I don’t hate you. I don’t know if I like you right now because you’re a stranger, which is scary - but I love you. So please, mom, I’m sorry that I’ve been taking my bullshit out on you. Just… try. For me. Please.”
Anyways!!! You guys don’t deserve Mary.
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🍀🥳
🍀 favorite song?
🥳 least favorite song?
evil..........
my favorite song from tgwdlm is let it out. look joey richter's version of confrontation did something to my brain. join us and die comes in second because of jaime's vocals
from black friday is feast or famine. consumerist mob song?? frank pricely??? curt's shopper?? pLEASE
from nmt1 is snoozle town. i also really like jane's a car, but snoozle town is just too funny to me
from nmt2 is virginity rocks! very predictable i'm aware. but did you know that the day that sally met her boy she told everyone? everyone, yeah. neither played shy or even coy, too. and, uh, they told everyone. they sat on the beach. it was real cute, man. then sally removed the sequined dress from on top of her suit. uh, the boy leaned in, but sally crooned "leave room!" did you know that? did you? crazy, right? well just you wait until i tell you about tayl
from npmd it's either the summoning or just for once. i'm so tired of people ranking just for once so low on their tier lists i know it was probably a tough choice but it's just for once!! do you not see the tragedy in a severely bullied high school girl with raging self image issues singing (on an empty stage, because she's too scared in front of other people) through the disguise of a character in a play about how she wants to live a good enough life to have a mid-life crisis??? i know it's a change in tone but we also do have the whiplash of as cool as i think i am (reprise) right after the summoning. why don't you care about her pouring her heart out as you do pete :( she's not even asking for that much. pete wants to be cool, but all she wants is to live
least favorite song.... uh.. young at heart probably. icky vibes
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metalhead ghost who’s been in moshpits since he was a kid and is now a veteran of the scene and the self appointed look out. he keeps an eye out for anyone falling or passing out, kicks the shit out of anyone crowd killing or putting their hands where they shouldn’t
and he’s been keeping an eye on the punk in the kilt since he saw him throw himself headfirst into the wall of death
he looks like the type to start shit - loud and aggressive as anyone else here but a punk doesn't end up at a metal show for no reason - but there's also something niggling at him that he's gonna end up getting himself hurt. and ghost can’t tell if he’s going to do it on purpose
if he does, ghost needs to know. he uses these places as an escape - the music, the violence, the community - always has and he knows all to well how easily an escape can curdle and become destructive. he’s seen too many people lost to the darker parts of the scene, almost lost himself to it; he doesn’t want it to happen to anyone else if he can help it
so when he sees the punk sweating his mohawk off, his movements becoming looser and uncoordinated, he has no issues with yanking him out of the pit and pulling him away from the crowd; pushing him up against the venue wall and ordering him to open his mouth
the glaze that falls over his eyes concerns him even as he obediently lets his mouth fall open. he was right; the punk’s severely dehydrated, tongue and gums far to pale and along with the look in his eyes, he half-thinks he’s about to drop
he reflexively tightens his hold on his jaw to keep him up and the punk shivers, a flush creeping up his neck. an almost confused arousal joins the haze in his eyes and ghost smirks beneath his mask
looks like metal shows aren’t the only thing the punk is new to
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grief week! (omg such a morbid title)
tagged by @lonestar-s5countdown and @reyesstrand <3
which character death in 911 lone star hit you the hardest? — definitely gwen, because it was such a shock (to me at least, some people said they saw it coming but i really didn’t think they would take it there) and also i just love her so much. like that’s mother to many.
what is your favorite grief-related moment in the show? — carlos in that guy’s garage is one of my favorite moments of the show period. i love to see characters pushed to their absolute limit psychologically, and rafael ate downnn.
do you think there will be a character death in season 5? if so, any guesses about who it might be? — i don’t think they would kill another major character in the last season, but if they did, i think owen would be the best choice. it would be a pretty bittersweet ending: he finally gets what he set out for in the pilot (rebuilding the 126, saving his son) and now he can have ghost sex with gwyn. DEFINITELY NOT MATEO THOUGH HE WILL NEVER DIE.
which living character's death would destroy you the most? — tk or carlos would of course destroy me because of the double whammy effect (i lose a blorbo and have to witness another blorbo grieve) but if we’re talking maximum impact, contained blast radius of one single charlie: my sister mateo… he’s just too innocent.., blame @tellmegoodbye for even putting this idea in my head
which character's childhood trauma do you think was most significant in shaping them? — the miasma of emotional damage is like a dense fog around carlos. as soon as he cooked tk that fucking red snapper i knew there was something seriously wrong with that man. any other character i could meet out of context and assume they had a completely normal middle-class childhood. not carlos though… one look at him and i just knew someone had cooked here.
tagging: @tellmegoodbye @paperstorm @alrightbuckaroo
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