#it's just that goncharov itself is unreality

[kolimachris]

So I've lived in Arizona almost my entire life, and when I recently started playing Pokemon Scarlet and I ran across Bramblin I really wanted to add it to my team. I hadn't seen this pokemon before running into myself, so I had no idea that there was a tumbleweed pokemon, but I loved it immediately. But, my party already had both a grass type and a ghost type, so I didn't add Bramblin.

Then, I'm going along, trying to just get from one place to another quickly, avoiding encounters entirely. But I fail to see a Bramblin in my path and start a battle. I run, but there's another Bramblin right where I end up after running from the first battle. I'm about to run again when I see it. Sparkles.

I ran into a full odds shiny Bramblin while trying not to get into a fight at all. And I have a policy that if I happen to find a shiny, it goes into my party immediately, regardless of all else.

It's like the universe knew I wanted Bramblin and it gave me an excuse to use one.

Also, I don't normally nickname my pokemon, but I nickname shinies. So this pokemon tumbles. It's a tumbler. And it's a ghost, which some people say don't really exist. So I named her Katya, after the Goncharov character.

[mjulmjul]

GONCHAROV (1973)

[butchfalin]

Goncharov (1973), dir. Martin Scorsese / Volcano (Shake 'Em Up) - My Chemical Romance

[elvisqueso]

Personally having a hard time with posts that miscast Al Pacino as Andrey btw

[draculagerard]

should i be tagging the posts that talk about goncharov as a tumblr created movie as unreality too? or just the ones where they pretend it's a real movie

[capsicleized]

All that was bewitching turns to venom and blood.

[snakegirllovehandles]

went back and tagged all the goncharov stuff with #unreality

Or at least I'm pretty sure I got it all. Hopefully that helps. I use xkit to quick reblog a lot of stuff on the web browser version of the website, so I've turned on quick tags and made an #unreality tag bundle to make tagging stuff easier.

Just to be clear: Everything Goncharov related is a hoax. It is not a real movie. It does not exist. Check the tag #unreality explainer and you'll see an explainer.

[dykethevvitch]

I hate the stupid fucking Goncharov meme because none of the motherfuckers on this site know what "unreality" means.

[emi1y]

another thing i think is interesting about the goncharov phenomenon is the fact that i've seen almost every mention of it be tagged as unreality, when at a certain point its more self referential rather than referring to the made up movie itself. like, obviously someone saying "i can't believe you haven't seen it" would count as unreal because its focus is on saying that the source material does exist. but just discussing the characters doesn't necessarily imply that there is an actual film out there called goncharov, it is just building on the generally agreed upon characters and lore that already does exist from all the posts that have been made about it. are the stories we've crafted in the past 36 hours not real just because their initial inspiration for the topic wasn't a tangible piece of media? is folklore not "real" stories just because its mythos was generated over time by a community rather than an individual?

what i'm saying is that because there is no centralized way to see a cohesive collection of the established goncharov lore and instead knowledge of it is only passed on through reblogging posts, its spread is comparable to word of mouth storytelling moreso than any other way a story can be passed on, and for that reason i believe that through goncharov we have managed to collectively create and spread a work of oral tradition in a digital age

[libraford]

Hmm...

I see a lot of ai art claiming to be from 'lost films' and I can see where that could trigger some unreality anxiety. And it does fool people because it's usually not said that its ai art and human memories are messy- you can fool yourself into thinking that you've seen this film. (As we've seen through goncharov memes.)

Which is kind of what I'm thinking about when I think there should be accountability for ai artists even if the source is done ethically. Between the untagged ai art passing itself off as real movie stills or real events and the guy in my art scene that straight just sells ai art as 'digital paintings' to intentionally pass it off as not AI-created- I feel like we're getting into potentially dangerous territory.

[annabelle--cane]

breaking the unreality to ask, do you know how the names and story line got established or who first came up with them? i assume it was just a collective agreement but who was the first one to caused this to happen? do you know?

the pitch of "naples mafia movie" came from the original shoe itself, and I believe the names and actors came from the mock up movie poster, but there's been some drift since then. ex., the poster says al pacino plays mario ambrosini and harvey keitel is andrey, but mostly since then I've seen gif/photo sets use al pacino for andrey and I don't see much mention at all of mario ambrosini at all. sofia isn't present in the movie poster, but she's a major character in most active goncharov lore at the moment.

[hot-take-tournament]

Goncharov shouldn't have been as big a meme as it was. The Goncharov meme is bad, especially for anyone with any unreality issues. Dead serious.

Yeah, you do make a valid point. Unreality memes are fun, but there are people with genuine unreality issues that were affected by the Goncharov trend.

That being said, I do think that a lot of the fan works - art, writing, shitposts, etc. - inspired by that meme were really fun, and clearly took a lot of effort - and the results were super impressive. So I think the fact that it served as a creative outlet for so many people shouldn't be discounted either.

But you're right, it wasn't a great experience for people with those issues with unreality - but my takeaway from that was the importance of content warnings and tagging things properly, not that the meme itself - or just unreality content as a whole - was bad.

I followed the Goncharov tag when it was at its peak, and I constantly saw people begging other users to tag their posts as #unreality - and while plenty of people were doing that, it felt like just as many weren't.

I don't believe for a second that people were seeing those posts and just choosing to ignore them, because one thing I have learned over the past 3-4 years is that the vast majority of people on this website do genuinely care about the wellbeing of others; and I know that for a fact because a) all you guys have been so supportive of me up until now (<3), and b) because I spent so much time in my shithead teen years sending fucking horrific abuse to those same kind, genuine people, and the way everyone rallied around each other against my scumbag ass is a testament to that kindness.

So I think it's far more likely that they simply weren't seeing those posts, and just didn't know that unreality content can be a trigger for some people - because I genuinely didn't either until the Goncharov meme came around and people started talking about it. It's the same way I didn't know until I started this blog that the things I originally wrote in the master post were triggering people's OCD to the point where they had to blacklist the URL.

At the time Goncharov was a thing, a lot of people were saying that people making content for it should've just 'educated themselves' and then they would've known to tag stuff '#unreality', so it was their fault their work was affecting people with unreality issues - but personally I think that just wasn't fair, because honestly you can't know to educate yourself on an issue that you don't even know exists in the first place. You first need to know what it is you don't know before you can actually learn about it and fill that gap.

I have no idea if any of that answered your question because I'm drunk out of my fucking mind, so I don't know if any of this made sense, and I probably won't remember it in the morning - so:

tl;dr - I don't agree that the Goncharov meme was bad, but I think it did highlight the importance of content warnings and tags.

...unless you thought the meme was just unfunny, which is a different issue - that's an entirely subjective opinion, but I can totally respect it. And that's coming from someone who learnt last week that they apparently Goncharov'd themselves on at least three separate occasions, and has yet to fully recover from that revelation.

Anyway, I hope that all made some kind of sense...

...you guys want a poll?

[antonidomoni]

Goncharov (1973)

I finally watched it and I HAD to make fanart of these scenes to cope, so let’s talk about the parallels between the apple scenes in this movie because I’m absolutely RABID about it:

The way that Sofia and Katya are in public, talking about things like love and duty as Sofia tries to convince her to leave Goncharov, and the growing tension as their hands touch reaching for an apple—they are facing the camera, their backs to all the people bustling along in the street behind them, they look guarded but in this brief moment there’s real tenderness and all the other people in the background melt into just color and movement. The apple is in the foreground, it is polished and almost perfect, resembling both the symbolic and anatomical heart, but it’s among a sea of apples that take up the whole scene, the apple itself being both a barrier and a temptation between them—much like the love and duty that Katya speaks of and feels bound by. Sofia’s gaze lingers longer than Katya’s but the focus never falls from their hands above the apple. There’s an unspoken longing that persists until the pearl scene—the very same pearls in this scene. The way the scene is lit makes you feel as though we are meant to be like Sofia, admiring the soft almost unreal beauty of Katya. Katya then hands Sofia this apple which feels deliberate, as they begin talking of Eve, which prompts Sofia to give her a pomegranate in return with a reference to Persephone, giving insight to how each see their own positions in the narrative—the sacrificial expectations on femininity—which feels almost foreshadowing…

Meanwhile, later in the movie we see Goncharov peeling an apple with a knife when Andrey enters the parlor, a normally well populated place but this is one of the few times they are alone together the whole movie. Goncharov is dressed down, he has his sleeves rolled up, his hair is even a little disheveled. He peels the whole skin in one long ribbon without looking up at Andrey, addressing him affectionately in spite of his own growing mistrust of Andrey (this is before the clocktower scene). Goncharov reveals he had won the duel with Mario hours earlier—hinting at perhaps why he looked as though he had cleaned himself up—and he slices into the apple and eats it off the knife. Andrey begins to warn him of his hubris as Goncharov cuts another slice free, offering it to Andrey by pressing the slice to Andrey’s lips at the end of his knife. Andrey stalls a moment, and they stare at each other. The camera is at their backs, showing an over the shoulder shot of the peeled apple between them in the middle of the scene—the seeds visible in both the apple and the severed slice implying Goncharov ate the slice in its entirety (apple seeds having small traces of cyanide, this feels VERY deliberate)—a sense of vulnerability and danger and perhaps even a hint of passion as the red walls of the parlor seem to isolate them from the rest of the story. Goncharov almost looks like he’s pleading silently with Andrey to just surrender to the temptation, and Andrey bites the slice off the knife smoothly, but after a couple long seconds of chewing, he spits the seed onto the floor. They are interrupted by Katya in her nightgown (having just found the warm gun in the previous scene) who doesn’t even flinch seeing them together this late in the night, only asking Goncharov if he would be coming to bed. Andrey takes his leave before Goncharov can answer…

The angst alone could power a small country. What an absolute masterpiece of cinema history🍎

[worms-in-my-brain]

As an autistic person I have a little bit of a love/hate relationship with the type of comedy on tumblr where people say something that is not true and proclaim it to be true, of course under the expectation that everyone is being a little silly and not taking it too seriously.

One good example I just saw is a post going around with people arguing about whether or not foxes are dogs. (Generally, only animals part of the species Canis Lupus are considered dogs; so that is most wolves, domestic dogs, and dingoes). They were claiming that foxes are dogs because they’re fluffye. And once I processed that it was a joke, it was funny! Haha, yes, foxes are indeed fluffye and appear similar to dogs. BUT before I realised it was a joke it was really confusing, and I feel like part of the joke is actually at the expense of people who don’t get the joke, initially or at all. Which, yeah, not everyone who doesn’t get the joke is autistic, but isn’t it kinda ableist to make jokes at the expense of people who aren’t understanding sarcasm?

It reminds me a little bit of the issues with Goncharov. Yes the joke was funny, I actually rly liked it lol, but what wasn’t funny was people refusing to tag it as unreality because it “ruined the joke” or something. It is an accessibility issue; if you refuse to tag something because a disabled person might have difficulty with it, then yeah, you’re being ableist.

So anyway this is me asking people to please tag extended jokes like the fox one I mentioned (another example might be the smooth sharks one) as sarcasm, or otherwise try to make it clear it’s a joke somehow. Making it clear it’s a joke shouldn’t ruin it, just make it more accessible.

(And if tagging it as sarcasm did ruin the joke because people stopped arguing, then maybe the joke is itself just kinda ableist since the whole premise of it relies on people who miss the joke misinterpreting the post?)

[manonamora-if-reviews]

Goncharov by Stanwixbuster

============= Links

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============= Synopsis

just a bunch of boring conversations and shooting? - letterboxd an excuse to mess about with tape window and a dead joke for goncharov jam

============= Other Info

Goncharov is a Tape Window piece, submitted to the Goncharov Game Jam.

Status: Completed Genre: Unreality, Goncharov, Meta

CW: implied injury, implied death, implied violence, unreality, animated text/background

============= Playthrough

First Played: Dec-2022 Last Played: 1-Sept-2023 Playtime: around 20min Rating: 4 /5 Thoughts: Did we watch the correct movie?

============= Review

Goncharov is a fairly short stylised kinetic piece, presenting itself as an adaptation of the "original" movie, through snippets of different critical scenes, as defined in the meme lore. Though, you could play the scenes chaotically, by doing a random order for examples, the story is best enjoyed when followed chronologically.

Spoilers ahead. It is recommended to play the game first. The review is based on my understanding/reading of the story.

Above a usually animated background, dialog boxes pop up on the screen, typing out descriptions of the scene or the dialogue between characters. Locations, time and present actors are visualised through small screenshots - the character sprites do not change from scene to scenes, so it is easy to recognise who is who. Depending on your setup, the animated background and text may lag.

A few scenes in, you get the sense that something is not quite right. Maybe it is because each scenes have very few words, or because they lack connection between each other. Their succession from the listed menu makes sense, but it is clear there are gaps between each scene. Or it could simply be the game trying to send you off track, like any good intrigue movie: nothing is truly as it seems.

While the end scene is quite something, the truly interesting part of the game, in my opinion, is when the credits roll. We sort of leave the realm of the movie and the canon, to have a more... meta discussion. Some criticism mentioned above, as well as potential failings of both the game itself and the meme at large, are discussed through two viewers of the movie you just experienced through the scenes. These criticism, from the lack of coherence to the missing actions, are linked to discourse that happened around the meme (though in-game, the discourse is about the movie).

You could take this final conversation at face-value: two friends watching a movie and discussing it when it ends. Or you could look at is as a discussion of the strange phenomenon that was Goncharov - the meme. Taking the internet by storm, it spread without rhyme or reason, with many users contradicting each other with sequencing, lore, or details, as they made up their version of the fake movie. As a collective, we all made the "movie" happen, each adding a scene or lore, trying to make our voice heard through the sea of creators participating. Maybe we were all Matteo, in a way, directors of Goncharov.

[fractured]

goncharov in itself is unreality, so anyone who needs unreality tagged should just blacklist goncharov instead

Yeah I think you're onto something. Instead of tagging the mediocre fake movie joke we should expect psychotic people to not only put themselves through the harm of figuring it out on their own but also have them go out of their way to blacklist the fake movie instead. After all keeping the mediocre fake movie joke immersion is worth much more than the sanity of a large group of people.👍