#jfashion discourse

[softlittleheartsandsparkles]

Tbh I don't understand the discourse about being in your 30s and liking jfashion. And I'm not sure where this idea comes from that when your in your 30s your just suppose to drop all interests and become heavily "sterilized" in what hobbies you can have? But it's oddly uncomfortable to say the least to see/have people suggest j-fashion is for minors and young adults, period. (It's also strange cause isn't this the same crowd who wants to say 'liking cute things in your 20s is okay!!!" But now its gross/weird to like cute things in your 30s? A whole 10 year difference and now its strange...?) There's some sorta "shame" / "weird" factor in being interested in it now. Like the amount of messages I've got with criticizing tone or questioning why I'd wanna try jfashion now - doesn't make sense to me? I've seen it suggested as an adult I shouldn't like anime, cute things, or jfashions (especially the bright colored patterns. Like sweet or hime.) cause its quote "immature" and "weird" & shouldn't you "act like an adult". It also discounts so many neurodivergent people who are into j-fashion, or like anime. (I overlap into these categories) & like for me, my goal is to find like minded (I.e. people with the same interest) adults in my same age group (30+), so again. I'm not sure how that's "creepy", like golly gee a person in their 30s wanting to see others in their 30s enjoy j-fashion as well, my goodness, strange. =/ It feels really gatekeep-y to me, its also strange cause it's obviously young people who are newer to jfashion attempting to control adults who... have been in j-fashion longer. But also this heavily strict and current mindset I see it sorta scares me and I feel like it's going to set people down a path of shame. Cause when they hit their late 20s, just touching 30 there's going to be this idea and a lot of shame it's important to drop some of your hobbies and look at them with disgust now, and I don't understand how that mindset is supposed to benefit anyone? & I do wanna state it's not really healthy to drop hobbies and interests if they benefit you. Like as someone in my 30s, there's more shame and embarrassment and decrease in self worth if I was to constantly recoil in my hobbies in shame and reject them, or constantly criticize them. I wouldn't be happy & it almost seems like thats what the younger gen (not all but some) believe should happen. you should recoil and be disgusted if you like sailor moon in your 30s, nostalgia isn't for you, why would you wanna wear a cute j-fashion thing, whats wrong with you.... This mindset isn't healthy.

[girlyholic]

DearMyLove is currently promoting a "mass-produced landmine" as well as a Girly Kei collection on the frontpage of their Whip subbrand, but they are the same products with different thumbnails.

It's almost like it's the same style, huh...

[kanatapukapukashinkai]

If there’s something I’d say I dislike about the jirai community, I’ve mostly seen it in the western side, is the “we aren’t all bad apples” argument. It feels like it shames jirais that don’t have “acceptable” mental illnesses for finding ways to vent their current situations. Im guilty of thinking like that back when I was just starting out with jirai kei. After seeing that some found it controversial I was so desperate on finding reasons for it to be okey to like the style and relate to the subculture behind it. So seeing people say “well we aren’t all like that” really turned my mindset into “well I only like it because I relate to the term not because I [blank]”. I’m still very nervous when it comes to how others view me, my opinions get molded easily because I’m afraid of people thinking I’m a bad person. Tho I’m glad I was able to go past that mindset. Everyone has a reason to relate to the term, we shouldn’t be othering each other.

Please do leave comments if you’d like to talk. Tho understand I’m a nervous wreck

[sanyu-thewitch05]

Somehow someway the average perverted men found a way to ruin Pinterest of all apps.

Edit: it turns out they’re removing search terms like decora kei and decora fashion and harajuku fashion to solve this problem. I tested it and decora kei will not have any search results on Pinterest. And after more research it seems they blocked most stuff related to jfashion. They also removed Lolita fashion as well. Pinterest has also banned the word girl as well.

Tw: pedophiles

[thesebright-lights]

I know that a lot of people hate on devilinspired but I'd much rather pay an extra $5-$10 than use the hellsite that is taobao, especially as someone that doesn’t speak an ounce of Chinese. I’ve never had too much trouble with their customer service other than it being a little slow, but even if I did, I honestly don’t think taobao's much better? Like if you use it and it works for you that’s great, but you need to understand that not everyone wants to spend hours learning how to use the site (and learning some Chinese if you want to communicate with sellers) when you can just pay a little more for DI. And no, the shipping times aren’t that bad. Literally no worse than Liz Lisa and I never see anyone complain about them

[wc-confessions]

fuck all the current discourse in the fandom, i want discourse on what kind of j-fashion styles different characters would wear if human, I want to see "dni if you think [x character] would wear [x jfashion]", give me 2 hour long essays on why someone thinks leafpool would wear lolita fashion!!

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[girlyteeth]

I feel like tiktok discourse on jfashion (or any alt style) is rooted in "conforming to the standard of the style/subculture" so often that they forget that alternative fashion is meant to be different.

Of course since these things originated from Japan, we should look towards their stance on these things more often, but I feel like there is such an extremist mindset when it comes to following rules of different styles/subcultures. For example, doing yamamba/ganguro makeup (or anything with a white undereye droop) apparently makes you "peak gyaru" on tiktok, but any other makeup style from diff substyles or the 2000s immediately sends the poser accusations your way.

Yet I see no one complaining when Japanese people want to get creative in these spaces...how strange!

[girlytips]

@ your post about girly having existed for years before this whole debacle. This. Absolutely this. Speaking as someone who's active in both EN and JP lolita circles, girly has been a style for AGES, even in contexts completely unrelated to this whole discourse. In early June this year , there was a whole discourse over axes femme kawaii labeling themselves as a lolita brand because people primarily saw it as a GIRLY brand. If girly was simply an adjective why would so many lolitas be so up in arms being included in a brand that is simply described as "girly". Brands that have been around since the 70s like MILK and Jane Marple have described themselves as "ガーリー" for years, I doubt a couple of english jfashion tumblr blogs would've had anything to do with it. It's pathetic that people think one substyle/silhouette being given a different name means every other girly style is obsolete or exists solely to spite them *eyeroll*

I have seen quite a few similar instances of discourse among jp netizens as well, like when DearMyLove decided to make a post on how to create lolita coords using their products. This is why I assume that everyone claiming girly kei to not exist to be clearly new to jfashion and very out-of-touch with the japanese community as it really isn't hard to find sources on it being a standalone fashion style. Of course, a lot of older information has been lost to time with the death of blogging culture, but it's not that hard to dig around archive.org to find relevant content. Even only browsing the english-speaking side of the internet, it's pretty easy to discover that the style has also been known by that name within the overseas community for at least a decade by now with the earliest instances of the #girlykei hashtag on social media being posts by the japanese-american shop Lolita Desu from 2012.

[jfashion-confessions]

I wear dokukawaii and (occasionally) decora kei.

I'm sad that I don't really have any friends who dress like me, but at the same time, I am VERY happy I don't interact with the jfashion community, like, at all. Why the fuck is there so much discourse lol

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[goldstarhoochie]

that girl's so sweet, just like her name !

hi im aaliyah ! you can just refer to me by my user if using my name makes you uncomfy tho :)

7teen / bisexual (+fem pref) / bigender / demiaroace / she/he/they prns (she/her pref.) / masc, fem and gn terms please / black canadian (zimbabwean + south african) / audhd

nd i occaisionally speak french !

kind hearts are the garden, kind thoughts are the roots..

some interests i have:

- jfashion (himekaji, himegyaru, vkei, sweet lolita)

- obey me

- starkid

- splatoon

- asmr (yuurivoice + redacted)

- ff7

- RE

- monster high (g1 + g3)

- ever after high

- myscene

- baldur's gate 3

- breaking bad + better call saul

- death note

- yuri on ice

- ohshc

- jjk

- dream daddy

- sonic

- jet set radio

- bully / canis canem

- telltale's twdg

- vocaloid

- life is strange (especially lis2)

- forbidden siren series

- junji ito

- haunting ground

- rule of rose

- silent hill

- rhythm games (pjsekai, bandori, parappa the rapper, um jammer lammy, space channel 5, ddr, and occaisionally arcaea)

- my own ocs 😭

kind words are the blossoms, kind deeds are the fruits !

bfyi:

- MUST BE 15 AND OLDER !!!! exceptions can be made if we were moots before :)

- adults can interact, just be respectful of my boundaries 👍🏽

- please keep ANY AND ALL DISCOURSE away from me; i dont wanna see that shit

- people of all religions can interact, just be respectful of my beliefs and the beliefs of others so long as no harm is being perpetuated :)

everyone's a star, everybody counts..

dni:

- racists

- homo / transphobes

- ableists

- classists

- intersexists

- pro-rhodesia freaks

- zionists / pro-israel mfs FREE PALESTINE ALL THE WAY ❗❗🇵🇸🍉

- maps / pedophiles

- zoophiles

- wyll bg3 haters yall suck

every little jar needs every little ounce !

you can talk to me on discord !

|___> kierpyr

and play with me on splatoon, pjsekai, and bandori !

|___> splatoon: shabeebo !

bandori: shadoobiwoo

pjsekai: sploinkious

everybody matters, no matter who they are ! then everyone can shine, cause' everyone's a star !

dividers by @/anitalenia ! :3

[goulloynes]

im ngl this what jfashion communities and discourse are like to me

[bunnybluez]

Cinna ☆ 19 ☆ she/he

Trauma/MH recovery + plural + witch

Medium Support Needs Autistic (hyperverbal/hyperlexic/alexithymic)

genderqueer bunnyboy femme lesbian prince ☆ polyam taken x2

Kin list - ID hoard

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DNI : radqueer/transid, pro ed/sh, heavily anti endo or anti ship/fiction (I am neutral but hard antis are often very mean), zionist, right wing, participate in queer discourse often, harass others, believe paraphilias/aspd/npd/etc make you evil.

I am in recovery for DID/CPTSD and agoraphobia. I am also physically disabled with moderate-severe ME/CFS + T2 diabetes and use a powerchair! I have other disorders but these are my main ones. My Mama is my carer.

I adore my pets! I have 4 shih tzu dogs, a borzoi dog, 2 bunnies, 2 guinea pigs and a very spoiled tuxedo cat we got off the street.

SpIns: Psychology (particularly trauma related disorders), LPS, Sylvanian Families, plushies, Sanrio, Fairy Tail, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Hamilton, jfashion, animals.

Reg Ints: Stardew Valley, sudoku, solitaire, Animal Crossing, Honkai Star Rail, nature, witchcraft, poetry, arts n crafts, Cherished Teddies, stickers, Unpacking, Fran Bow.

[girlyholic]

Brands Using the Term "Landmine" are Still Promoting the Stereotype, Unfortunately

There is one particular take I've grappled with since I first started this blog: "Brands would never promote something harmful, because _". This is often used as a way to say that the term isn't actually that bad, because look, brands use it!

Well, Travas Tokyo, which has become a hot brand among self-proclaimed landmines, has fully leaned into this new popularity like never before, as they are currently promoting a quiz for "diagnosing" customers with their "landmine type".

You might, at first, read this and think: "Oh so it's just a quiz for assigning styles, right? They're just misusing the term again to mean clothes, right?"

Well. Not exactly.

Now, to say Travas Tokyo is the first to openly promote something involving the stereotype would be an understatement, as other brands and companies, including Larme, have used the stereotype before as a selling point.

So, to find out if that was happening here, I responded to the post to get the questions.

Here are the questions I received, and their responses.

Question 1:

Your significant other is talking to someone of the opposite sex besides you. What do you do?

• I don't mind if they talk to someone else. • Hey, hey, why are they talking to some worm who isn't me... • I'll have to lock them up so those worms stay away...

Question 2:

Your significant other hasn't replied to you on LINE... What do you do?

• Do nothing about it. • Relentlessly spam them with messages and calls. • Contact your SO's friends

Question 3:

Oh no, the person you love more than anyone else has rejected you. What do you do?

• Honorably move onto the next love. • I'll keep pursuing them by stalking them over the internet. • Only a few more times until they become my slave...

And... Here were my results!

Landmine-Type Girl Diagnosis Results

You're a Super-Slight Class C Landmine Girl! ♡

You're a little mischievous and are just setting foot into the landmine-type. Here is a landmine coordinate that suits you.

Now, the link to the coordinate wouldn't load for me, so I guess I will never know what coordinate suits my "landmine type".

It should also be mentioned that the result I got here is the most mild response you can get, as you're able to re-answer as much as you'd like to see the other responses. So I did that, and here's the other two results.

Landmine-Type Girl Diagnosis Results

You're a Moderate Class B+ Landmine Girl! ♡

You're someone who holds deep passion for the one you love, and can't stop thinking about them. Here is a landmine coordinate that suits you.

Landmine-Type Girl Diagnosis Results

You're a Super-Serious Class S Landmine Girl! ♡

You would give yourself for the one you love. Here is a landmine coordinate that suits you.

Now is a good time to remember that brands like Travas are catering to an audience of mostly teens, which makes things like this a bit unnerving. Especially since the post advertising the quiz makes it seem like it's a lighthearted quiz about fashion, when the questions are obviously about being a toxic "type" of person. It's a Buzzfeed-level quality quiz for issues that are much more serious.

To put it into perspective, imagine if a brand with a large teenage audience in the west did something like this. Like if Hot Topic suddenly promoted some quiz with these same questions, and then at the end you got redirected to a discount outfit page based on your answers. There would definitely be discussion about the ethics of that at the very least, if not massive outcry, considering the questions revolve around hypothetical scenarios for which "would you abuse or not abuse" are the answers leading to a clothing recommendation.

But it really is just how it is with any other part of the world: brands are not your friend. They do not care about anybody's well-being, they care about sales. And if the way to sell clothes is by advertising a harmful stereotype that teens are raving about in a quirky way, they will absolutely do that.

[faerygardenparty]

I need yall to understand something here, I haven’t been on tiktok for a while but as someone who presents fairly hyperfeminine who was on the app for a while that post about tiktok bow discourse is almost certainly not a feminist statement about how the patriarchy effects the way you dress, it’s most likely victim blaming and harassment

A similar thing has happened before about a year or two ago I think where some waitresses discovered that if you wear pigtails as a waitress you get more tips which then lead to someone theorizing that the reason why is because you look younger which then devolved into “if you wear pigtails as an adult you’re problematic and trying to attract pedophiles on purpose” which then devolved into anyone who wears pigtails regardless of context being a potential target for harassment, doubly so if said person enjoys the color pink or frilly dresses

Tiktok users have been harassing hyperfeminine people for years now with the mindset that if you prefer to dress that way you’re trying to attract sexual predators on purpose, the predators themselves are never the ones being confronted, it’s always the hyperfeminine people, and WOC (especially black women), GNC people, and disabled people are almost always the biggest targets

This is a problem that’s heavily affected certain subcultures, especially the jfashion and lolita fashion scene on tiktok, and it’s much more nuanced than I can go into right now but like. I really need y’all to understand this context, tiktok, the app for such famous feminist takes as “women should not have a job and should stay at home all day”, is most likely not trying to make some epic feminist point about patriarchal expectations for women

[luvly-bejeweled-pigeon]

Full name: Jewel Age: 18 Pronouns: it/its Gender: genderfluid (boygirl, aporagender, bigender, etc) Sexuality: abrosexual/romantic (includes lesbian, turian, acespec, arospec, and whatever mspec orientation it feels like in the moment) Species: elf Likes: punk rock music, the texture of shaved hair, hot chocolate, platform shoes, big ole stompin boots, jewelry, jingle jangle noises, little girls cartoons (notably Bluey and MLP:FIM seasons 1-6) Dislikes: ppl who judge others on appearance in casual settings, censorship, internet discourse Interests: fashion (specifically alternative and jfashion), makeup, art, photography, gaming, anime Diagnoses: ADHD, severe asthma, Dyslexia, autism Language(s): English Summary: Jewel is an overly bubbly little stoner elf. It lives on a small floating rock in a solar system with two suns. It has a small house with a rope attaching to an even smaller rock with a flower garden and tree on it. The tree grows Achee fruit, a sweet heart shaped fruit, and the bush grows Dream Frerry, a pink flower similar to a rose.

[notes and additional art under the cut]

this is half a persona, half an OC. i have a personality disorder and for like 10 years now ive made a new sona when the wind changes (if you check out my portfolio, 9 of those characters are old personas). Jewel is to solve that problem by not having the intention to be me and instead be a mascot. bcuz of this it shares a lot of similarities with another character of mine, Vy, who gets the parts of me that don't fit Jewel but i might want to draw, like for vent art or being majorly thirsty. Though Jewel has been slowly shifting to be more me, like when i added freckles and gave it the ability to be sad.

[landmineclinic]

w that being said uh. the reason i was here in the first place (before i saw the weirdos and went ???) was bc i saw u rbing some discourse posts and wanted some advice, ig?

i'll be real here ik nothing about j-fashion. like. at all. i can maybe identify the lolita girlies but that's it. i do like what ppl refer to as jirai most of the time tho. is it like... Necessary to #educate yourself on it before trying to put outfits together or can i just go hogwild with pretty clothes, provided i'm not really an online person and don't plan on posting it anywhere/calling myself part of some japanese subculture ik nothing about

tbh researching the origins of the style is really only important if you are into a specific style. theres a lot of subgenres in fashion that have a lot of interesting history behind how it was started. some styles in jfashion have this sort of “uniformity” (e.g jirai kei utilizing pastel pinks & black clothing with similar silhouettes) and others allow more creativity and freedom with styling (decora, fairy kei, gyaru to an extent)

but if you just like individual pieces of jfashion you style it however you want tbh!! i do think learning about the styles is very helpful and can be a fun rabbit hole to fall into sometimes lol. and trying to like integrate into like the online/local “community” isnt really necessary if you just wanna wear the clothes tbh. i personally havent interacted with my local jirai/girly community.

i hope this was coherent to read?? 😭