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so im sure everyones fully well aware of the magic 8 ball site fob is using to promote a contest to win some tickets to see them in nashville. the little 8ball widget theyve got in browser is also modeled on the physical 8ball that they had in the vip merch packages for tourdust's first leg, which is cool! but of particular note is the way that, to fill out the contest form, you have to pick your favorite fall out boy songs. and the sheer breadth of what is allowed is...interesting? it's not cohesive by any means, but it is really wild the selection of songs they have here because not all of them are fob songs. in fact, quite a few of them aren't.
i went directly to the source code and got a full list of all possible songs that you could input (which you can check for yourself by right-clicking and selecting "view source"). i'm going to list them here for archival purposes, with a few notes/explanations cause some of these are WILD.
there are 187 songs total listed.
bolded songs indicate songs that are demos or never received an official release
italicized songs are songs by other bands
underlined songs indicate songs that are covers
songs with an asterisk beside them (*) indicate they are from patrick's solo catalogue. two asterisks (**) are for pete's.
additional commentary by me will be [in brackets]
20 Dollar Nose Bleed
27
7 Minutes in Heaven (Atavan Halen)
7-9 Legendary
A Little Less Sixteen Candles, a Little More "Touch Me"
A Nice Myth [one of the earliest fall out boy demos, found on their first ep, and only the casette version at that]
Allie*
Alone Together
Alpha Dog
America's Suitehearts
American Beauty/American Psycho (song)
American Made
Art of Keeping Up Disappearances
As Long as I Know I'm Getting Paid*
Austin, We Have a Problem
Baby Annihilation
Bad Side of 25*
Bang the Doldrums
Beat It
Big Hype*
Bishops Knife Trick
Bob Dylan
Bounce [this is a song that came out on then-Decaydance labelmates The Cab's debut record, Whisper War, which patrick produced. he has writing credit and also is credited with background vocals (and also shows up in the music video)]
Caffeine Cold
Calm Before the Storm
Centuries
Champagne for My Real Friends, Real Pain for My Sham Friends
Champion
Check Your Phone**
Chicago is So Two Years Ago
Church
City in a Garden
Coast (It's Gonna Get Better)*
Coffee's for Closers
Cryptozoology*
Cute Girls*
Cyanide** [this is a nothing,nowhere song that pete did some spoken word parts and backing vocals on]
Dance Miserable*
Dance, Dance
Dead on Arrival
Dear Future Self (Hands Up)
Death Valley
Deep Blue Love* [song patrick did for the indie short film "spell"]
Demigods
Disloyal Order of Water Buffaloes
Don't You Know Who I Think I Am?
Electric Touch [the (in?)famous taylor swift song patrick featured on]
Eternal Summer
Everybody Wants Somebody*
Explode*
Fake Out
Fame Less than Infamy
Favorite Record
Fellowship of the Nerd [this is an alternate title for world's not waiting, as far as i can tell]
Flu Game
Flu Game [yes flu game is listed twice for some reason]
Footprints in the Snow [demo from the Llamania ep]
Fourth of July
From Now on We Are Enemies
G.I.N.A.S.F.S.
Get Busy Living or Get Busy Dying (Do Your Part to Save the Scene and Stop Going to Shows)
Ghostbusters (I'm Not Afraid)
Golden
Grand Theft Autumn/Where Is Your Boy
Greed*
Grenade Jumper
Grow Up and Be Kids [this song is on The Cab's sophomore album Symphony Soldier, which release after they left decaydance. nonetheless, pete does have some writing credits on it. give it a listen and you'll hear for yourself in the first 10 seconds or so]
Growing Up
Hand Crushed by a Mallet [this is a remix of the 100gecs song of the same name; patrick did some vocals for it]
Hand of God
Have I Got a Gift for You* [song patrick did for the horror movie black friday]
Headfirst Slide into Cooperstown on a Bad Bet
Heartbreak Feels So Good
Heaven's Gate
Heaven, Iowa
Hold Me Like a Grudge
Hold Me Tight or Don't
Homesick at Space Camp
Honorable Mention
Hot to the Touch, Cold on the Inside
Hum Hallelujah
I Am My Own Muse
I Don't Care
I Got Nothing, But You Got Something [this is the one that really perplexes me. there's no evidence of this song actually existing, other than an unverified genius post and an article on a single fandom wiki. it is inexplicably listed here despite its very existence being questionable at best.]
I Slept with Someone in Fall Out Boy and All I Got Was This Stupid Song Written About Me
I Wanna Dance with Somebody (Who Loves Me)
I'm Like a Lawyer with the Way I'm Always Trying to Get You Off (Me & You)
I've Been Waiting [this is technically a lil peep song with fall out boy as a feature]
I've Got a Dark Alley and a Bad Idea That Says You Should Shut Your Mouth (Summer Song)
I've Got All This Ringing in My Ears and None on My Fingers
Immortals
Irresistible
It's Hard to Say 'I Do', When I Don't
It's Not a Side Effect of the Cocaine, I Am Thinking It Must Be Love
Jet Pack Blues
Just One Yesterday
Lake Effect Kid (song)
Lake Shore Drive [this is a song patrick covered on the piano at wrigley, first night of tourdust]
Love from the Other Side
Love Will Tear Us Apart
Love, Selfish Love*
Love, Sex, Death
Lullabye
Mad at Nothing*
Miss Missing You
Moving Pictures
My Heart Is the Worst Kind of Weapon
My Songs Know What You Did in the Dark (Light Em Up)
New Dreams [this is a bonus track on pax am days, a naked rayguns cover]
Nobody Puts Baby in the Corner
Novocaine
Of All the Gin Joints in All the World
One of Those Nights [another song from the cab's whisper war. this one has patrick doing vocals very prominently]
Open Happiness [this was a huge collaborative piece done for a coca cola commercial. patrick was on it along with big names like cee lo green, janelle monae, and labelmates travie mccoy and brendon urie]
Our Lawyer Made Us Change the Name of This Song So We Wouldn't Get Sued
Parker Lewis Can't Lose (But I'm Gonna Give It My Best Shot)
Past Life [llamania ep]
Pavlove
People Never Done a Good Thing*
Porcelain*
Pretty in Punk
Rat a Tat
Reinventing the Wheel to Run Myself Over
Roxanne
Run Dry (X Heart X Fingers)*
San Diego [this is a blink-182 song that patrick did some writing for]
Saturday
Saturday Night Again*
Save Rock and Roll (song)
Sending Postcards from a Plane Crash (Wish You Were Here)
She's My Winona
Short, Fast, and Loud
Snitches and Talkers Get Stitches and Walkers
So Good Right Now
So Much (For) Stardust (song)
So Sick [this is a song patrick has exclusively covered live, so it's a fascinating inclusion]
Sober [another blink-182 song patrick did some writing for]
Sophomore Slump or Comeback of the Year
Star 67
Stay Frosty Royal Milk Tea
Sugar, We're Goin Down
Summer Days (song) [this is a martin garrix song patrick lent some vocals to]
Sunshine Riptide
Super Fade
Switchblades and Infidelity
Tell That Mick He Just Made My List of Things to Do Today
The "I" In Lie*
The (After) Life of the Party
The (Shipped) Gold Standard
The Carpal Tunnel of Love
The Kids Aren't Alright
The Kintsugi Kid (Ten Years)
The Last of the Real Ones
The Mighty Fall
The Music or the Misery
The Patron Saint of Liars and Fakes
The Phoenix
The Pink Seashell
The Pros and Cons of Breathing
The Take Over, the Breaks Over
The World's Not Waiting (For Five Tired Boys in a Broken Down Van)
This Ain't a Scene, It's an Arms Race
This City*
Thnks fr th Mmrs (song) [for some reason the site specifies song here, despite that not being necessary. the only other times this distinction is relevant is when songs share a title with their albums, i.e. save rock and roll]
Thriller
Tiffany Blews
Twin Skeleton's (Hotel in NYC)
Uma Thurman
Untitled 1 (Colorado Song)
Untitled 2 (Jakus Song) [both of these are recently released tttyg era demos]
W.A.M.S.
We Didn't Start the Fire
We Don’t Take Hits, We Write Them [this is a song that famously was only ever performed live. we don't have a studio recording or even a demo, as only live versions exist]
We Were Doomed from the Start (The King is Dead)
West Coast Smoker
What a Catch, Donnie
What a Time To Be Alive
What's This?
When I Made You Cry*
Where Did the Party Go
Wilson (Expensive Mistakes)
Wrong Side of Paradise [llamania ep]
XO
You're Crashing, But You're No Wave
Young and Menace
Young Volcanoes
Yule Shoot Your Eye Out
in conclusion i have no idea who compiled this list. it doesn't include every song patrick and pete have ever touched (notice the lack of gym class heroes, cobra starship, and hush sound discography) but it has a really weird selection of songs. i mean, blink songs patrick wrote on?? its bizarre.
anyway do you think if we mass request swing me by the rafters they'll have to do it
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What why??
Theres a few reasons! I do want to clarify that I do like Saint and their campaign in a bubble, and still like downpour as a whole, they're just the most 'off' in terms of overall.
This is going to be very messy, and I haven't fully yet made up my mind on a lot of things
For starters Saint themselves... Downpour is for-sure less grounded in naturalistic biology than RW vanilla- and thats fine. The base game slugcats are all relatively mundane for a reason, but that also means their overall variety is limited- so downpour mixes that up with a bit of a fantastical slant and then tries its best to re-ground it various ways (Spearmaster is genetically modified, Gourmand is just very smart and very big, Artificer is implied to have been mutated by a toxic environment, rivulet is just fast and evolved for increased flooding). The issue with Saint here is that they are, by far, the most ungrounded in any sort of reality and a bit more 'magical'- but that aspect isn't really explained past maybe a short nod in the general direction of something. This isn't exactly a flaw in itself, but it does mean we have something immensely powerful in a way that's very... contradicting to the general vibe of the world. Especially as a little animal. Something like that can work, but its hard to make work, especially in a world set up like RW is.
And then the campaign itself... for starters, I think its one that naturally going to be very polarizing depending on the way you read various things about RW- the characters in it, the things it touches on, and your own personal outlook on life. I'm a nerd for evolution and 'life finds a way' type stuff, and for me Saint goes a little too far in direction I don't really vibe with. Its really hard to explain here, but I'll try.
For probably the most minor thing, the environment. There's a sort of undercurrent that the frozen over tundra of world as is a 'dying' environment. The undergrowth echo does add a counter to this mindset (By pointing out there is still life and beautiful blooming in a increasingly barren world) so its not the biggest thing, but its a outlook a lot of people tend to hold to begin with, so the ways it reinforces this is a little... sour? I suppose. Deserts and tundras and areas of low life are not dead or dying environments- they are their own ecosystems. They exist and are needed. Many things can not survive them. Many things can. Worlds and ecosystems are naturally always shifting and changing, and ecosystems like deserts and arctics stand equal to rainforests and coral reefs.
We see some creatures have failed to adapt and died off, but so many others have begun to carve out their niches and are changing with the world- I think a tundra is a great metaphorical 'the world is shifting away from its old self' type thing. Everything being broken down and changed once more and a lot of things aren't surviving, some are, but changed. Metaphorically that is great. But Saint is there as a big, literal kill switch on the world (Small aside that yes, kill is an inaccurate descriptor. Ascension is by nature 'something else' than dying.) Its just a little... wrong, that the implied shift in what the world is- the last stains of the Ancient's being washed away into something new and independent, is being done with the literal removal of those remains rather than the natural clockwork of the world. Even without Saint there things would die and shift, iterators would crumple into nothing, buildings would break and become dust and rust- and from all that things would still claw their way to the next day. Their offspring and offspring's offspring would grow ever more different from them, until they hardly match. Something new would be borne from the dusts of an old one forgotten. Tundras would freeze over into something else, a change in the atmosphere would trigger a shift, and ice would melt into water once more. Thats another great big thing everything is a small part of.
(For some reason if this space isn't here this whole post breaks?)
Its sad, but theres a beauty in the way things lead into each other- erased in anyway meaningful way but their ghosts still etched imprinted into the shell of the new. Both insignificant and yet strangely important.
I don't think Saint is implied to 'succeed' at all, of course. I think its very much hinted at that they'll be at whatever mission they have forever. But is also feels implied that this mission is supposed to be the intended end of the Ancients' 'era', pieces bit by bit ascended, finally removed from this cycle they can't perceive themselves as even a part of- and that even with this there will still be something new that takes their place. Their whole goal is ascension, so it makes sense ultimately. But it just feels... something is off about it, and maybe thats entirely on me. There's something I just don't like about it.
A long time ago I was asked about Saint and the void worms (you can read that here, although note this was pretty early into DP's release) and I do think at least part of that is the idea that Saint pulls control from things. The worms, buried deep in the void sea, the last step to ascension... Crossing yourself out feels like a weighty choice, but one you have to seek. So a sort of mobile ascension that does it for you, these lizards and bugs that couldn't possibly comprehend what ascension is, creatures that mostly just know survival and all its ills... it feels like it skips all that weight behind that choice. The underground Ancient, stuck midway, says it was never something they really wanted anyway, seemly contended to be in the in-between. An outlier for sure, but an outlier none the less- one that makes it clear that things can comprehend the weight of ascension and what it offers and understand the world and its ills and still want to be a part of it. What does that mean of Saint, a system that brings that to you, without say? Sure most of the creatures they ascend are simple things, the others are iterators- Beings designed to seek that solution and even want it for themselves but to barred from being able to achieve it. These are all things that it should feel good to grant the blessings of ascension too, that final peace that is neither living nor dying, but I just think about that echo and the way it makes it clear that many, if given the choice, would not want to be crossed out.
I like it in a bubble, removed from those things, but I don't know how I feel about it in the greater scheme of things, as a sort of end to rain world.
If there is one thing I do like a lot though, its the finale- with the worm. It gives Saint's place in the world a distinct sense of wrongness, something capped at the void worms. The void worms are just... still at the center. Something ancient and unbreakable. A rule of existence Saint doesn't- can't, bypass.
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