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[adrinoir]

Lesbian Headcanons Pt. 2: Kagami

I feel like this is a pretty popular headcanon already. In fact, I’ve already talked about it a bit lol. But truthfully, there’s still so much more to break down. So let’s get into it!

It seems she misconstrued her own feelings towards Adrien

Kagami has shown a lot of comphet type behavior, especially when she was trying to get with Adrien. Lemme explain.

One sign of compulsory heterosexuality is mistaking your platonic relationship with a boy as romantic feelings. In Ikari Gozen, it was proven that Kagami’s mother is so strict that she won’t even let her try to make friends other than Adrien. But even though they’re friends, Tomoe won’t even allow her to have Adrien’s number.

So, with these strict rules limiting her to just one friendship (at the beginning of her debut in the show), she only has Adrien to see as a friend and potential romantic partner. Seeing as how he’s the sweet and cute guy, it’s easy to mistake this kind, relatable connection + aesthetic attraction as a romantic one. That’s not to say she doesn’t care about Adrien, she clearly does a whole lot. But, notice how once she tries to date him, she’s quick to notice the red flags yet she still forces and convinces herself that she wants to be with him.

A veil was lifted after dating Adrien

Like I had just mentioned, she got a pretty good idea of Adrien once she started dating him. She chose to ignore his behavior at first and convinced herself that she’s in love with him but was able to quickly break up with him when this behavior kept continuing.

Kagami is a very smart cookie. I’m glad she noticed that Adrien was being secretive and figured out he wasn’t right for her. Very quickly after their relationship ended, she started encouraging Marinette to confess her feelings to him. She also very quickly believed that Marinette and Adrien are the ones who are right for each other.

What’s interesting is how she’s suddenly completely supportive of Marinette’s feelings for Adrien and Adrien’s feelings for Marinette. Getting over her breakup with him wasn’t hard. She didn’t try to tear the two of them apart; there was no sabotaging nor jealousy involved. So that leaves the question: how did she suddenly become so supportive?

Kagami is a genuinely caring person. She’s also very strong and capable of taking care of herself. But, breakups still aren’t easy for most people. I’m suspicious there’s more reasons as to how she was able to move on so quickly. That ties into my theory that she realized she has romantic feelings for Marinette (which I’ll talk about more in the next section).

OR, she just realized she’s not into men as a whole like she thought she was. Now that she’s been put out into the world by Marinette, she’s able to see and talk to more girls. Having more social interactions with people can easily help determine what attracts her and what doesn’t. She no longer only has Adrien as a friend and potential romantic partner, she has many other possibilities now.

Her behavior around Marinette is different

Kagami was comfortable with Adrien from the start. From the get go, he was more taken aback by her.

However, Kagami was pretty nervous the first time she had one-on-one time with Marinette in Ikari Gozen. Kagami, who’s usually pretty confident and up front, got scared to talk to Marinette.

I have a theory that she has a bit of a crush on Marinette. All of that sudden nervous behavior and struggling so much just to try to make conversation with her is pretty telling. You’d expect someone like Kagami to be fine making conversation with someone, considering she was able to fight and speak to cute super model Adrien Agreste. But nope. Marinette makes her a bit timid, very much as if she has a crush on her.

She wanted to know more about Marinette and to genuinely become her friend. It’s sweet. Obviously it wasn’t good when Marinette didn’t trust her at first. But, it’s good she learned very quickly that Kagami just wants to be accepted and have friends at the very least.

I love their dynamic after that day, too. Marinette really grew to like and care about Kagami. She’s comfortable enough having her number and checking on her (even in person). They have potential to be a great couple if Adrien wasn’t in the picture. But because he’s Marinette’s love, Kagami didn’t want to get in the way. It’s still a o sad, I hope she finds someone. It’d be really cool if she ended up finding a girlfriend.

She was able to click with Marinette easily - just like Zoe was able to

Marinette is shown as a very likable character. She has a lot of friends, especially ones in school.

However, what I loved is that they had specific episodes with a strong focus on her befriending Kagami and Zoe, not just Alya. Like, why would they have episodes with such a heavy focus on these friendships if they didn’t mean a whole lot?

From the beginning, like I had mentioned in my precious section, Kagami was nervous around Marinette like a crush and since then, they’ve developed a very good bond rather quickly. It mirrors Zoe in a sense, not in a way of how Zoe was able to up and give Marinette her number during their very first conversation, but in how their bond became so strong in such a quick amount of time. 

Marinette has shown signs of struggling to open up to people, including those in her own friend group. In fact, she doesn’t individually hang out with any of the other girls in her school friend circle besides Alya, and then of course Kagami and Zoe who aren’t even in her class.

So, considering she was so quick to trust Kagami and Zoe - especially as miraculous holders - shows that there’s a different bond there in comparison to the rest of her classmate girl friends.

It was also incredible seeing Marinette prioritize Kagami first when she heard about her and Adrien’s breakup. Kagami was also very quick to deny that she still had any romantic feelings for Adrien.

That situation mirrors Marinette trying to stick by Zoe when she noticed her behavior changed because of Chloe’s influence. Marinette didn’t prioritize trying to sabotage Chloe in any sort of way, she just wanted to be there for Zoe and her new adjustment living in Paris instead of New York.

Another important reason that I compare Zoe and Kagami is that Zoe is canonically queer (as seen in Deflagration), and Kagami’s behavior and relationship with Marinette are similar to hers. Even though Kagami isn’t openly flirtatious with any girls, she still shows some obvious signs that she may not be straight and that she has a strong relationship with Marinette for a reason (ahem, she likes her).

Something else to compare could be how Zoe was originally scared to be more open with people about who she truly is. Despite Kagami being very up front and honest, she hides parts of herself away that she’s slowly becoming more open about, like Zoe did. I’m willing to bet if Tomoe wasn’t a strict mother, Kagami would be able to be more open about herself and find out what she enjoys instead of being very uptight.

She got defensive when she first interacted with Chloe

Ah, yes. My other sapphic girl, Chloe. I had mentioned this interaction in part one of my lesbian headcanon posts. But since this directly relates to Kagami, let’s talk about her again.

Her and Kagami were only shown speaking in Animaestro, however it’s a very interesting and unusual kind of interaction. Lemme explain.

Chloe is usually very bossy towards just about everyone who she believes is below her (popularity and wealth wise). She didn’t even know Kagami and told her to get out of “her seat.” But Kagami didn’t take any of that.

Kagami instead defended herself right away. Threw the harshness right back in Chloe’s face, enough to scare/intimidate her - someone who’s always the big bad bully. Kagami wasn’t scared of her and instead was the one to scare Chloe off.

One could argue that this is a stretch because “how is she nervous around her potential crush, Marinette, but not Chloe?” Well, just because she quickly defended herself doesn’t necessarily mean she wasn’t nervous. In fact, if she’s that quick to dish back at Chloe, she’s at least somewhat intimidated having her there and wanted to drive her away.

Think about how Kagami could’ve said, “Look. There’s a chair right over there. Sorry, I’m not moving.” or could’ve just left, letting Chloe take her spot. But she didn’t. She 1) either got bad vibes from Chloe and didn’t want her around, or 2) she was quickly intimidated by her too and didn’t want to have to interact with her for that reason.

Also consider this. Kagami was still in that stage of being completely convinced that she loved Adrien. One could think that anyone else who seemed interested in Adrien needs to be tossed aside. However, she didn’t throw Marinette out of her life just because she liked Adrien. So then what was it that made her so quickly defend herself when Chloe came in? I’m thinking intimidation. She’s this stunning, upper class girl who isn’t afraid to be up front just like Kagami. That could be easily intimidating for someone like Kagami, especially if she’s sapphic. Chloe mirrors her intimidation and comphet behavior.

Conclusion

Holy toledo are there a lot of signs that Kagami is gay. That was a lot to break down but it makes a lot of sense.

Kagami’s behavior, interactions, appearance, etc just give off very closeted lesbian vibes. I sense it.

Now, I’ve said I really like the Lukagami ship too. I still stand by that. However, it would make even more sense if it turns out that she isn’t straight but lesbian.

Kagami still has a lot to figure out about herself. Her being canonically gay and finally realizing this in the show would be an incredible character arc.

[tempests-bards-and-birds]

Longg, bring the storm!

[iwasbored777]

Ikari Gozen with the Mouse is a pretty good combo tbh.

A giant akuma multiplying is a scary thought. Reminds me of Strikeback. But if they defeated this they will defeat Ikari Gozen too. Just Strikeback was a sentibeing, Ikari Gozen is like female Gabriel.

[zoe-oneesama]

what's your opinion on the episode Ikari Gozen?

"Ikari Gozen" is kind of...confused.

It's important because it introduces Ryuko and starts Kagami and Marinette's actual friendship, but the road there is rocky and has some odd forks.

They have Kagami who, going behind her mother's back, desperately wants to make new friends and is determined to make it work with "Adrien's weird friend" (seriously the dialogue makes it out like they've met like one time or something, so odd).

They have Marinette joining the contest to meet Adrien (despite seeing him every day...?) and deciding to sabotage herself because she was paired with Kagami and doesn't want her to meet up with Adrien (despite Kagami seeing him every fencing class...?).

They have Kagami-Ryuko being over confident and jumping into the fight, outing her identity immediately, not listening to Longg's explanation, and messing up Ladybug's plan only to fail and get Chat Noir captured.

Aaaaand they have Tomoe being overbearing, refusing to let Kagami participate in the game with no real explanation as for why except that "friends can disappoint you" (???).

That's a lot going on that maybe could've worked if they intertwined these different elements but instead it reads like two separate episodes running into each other: The Contest and then the Akuma. Marinette and Kagami's misunderstanding has nothing to do with what happens as Ladybug and Ryuko and vice versa.

For one, "Ikari Gozen" comes after "Frozer", "Animaestro", and "Oni-chan", where we've seen Kagami antagonize Marinette on purpose (though not always without provocation). And now we're supposed to believe that Kagami is trying to be friends with Marinette? They really go out of their way to make it seem like Kagami was so earnest in this episode but it feels too little too late to be believable. After all but challenging Marinette in "Frozer"? After rubbing in that she's Adrien's date in Marinette's face in "Animaestro" and glaring at her for talking to Adrien in "Backwarder"? I'm not surprised that Marinette didn't see "friendship" as a possible motive for Kagami either.

But Marinette is really not likeable in this episode and for what? Again, she doesn't NEED to join this contest to spend time with Adrien, and neither does Kagami, so the whole set up is just manufactured to bring out the worst in Marinette. And she even has Alya encouraging her! Whyyyyy??? So she can look extra bad when the "truth" comes out? She could've just been stubborn and suspicious of Kagami WITHOUT the sabotage, I hate it here.

And then they try to chide Kagami for her overconfidence as Ryuko...after a whole episode of Kagami overcoming Marinette's sabotage for half an episode to the point where even with this hurdle they're about to win the contest. They boosted Kagami up, showing her being amazing and smart and then decided to smack her down for believing her own hype?

Thing is I like this flaw, of Kagami being super sure of herself and even for her being completely unable to handle failure because she's such a perfectionist that her self worth is dictated by her being an instant master. But this was never shown as a problem anywhere in the episode until she was Ryuko - and in fact was almost shown as the opposite of a problem. Kagami IS smarter than everyone else, she IS more capable: she circumvented her mother, tricked the self driving car into taking her where she wanted to go, tackled every step of the contest riddles WITH Marinette actively trying to slow her down...but now it's a problem that she doesn't listen to anyone else?

So, what if Kagami had listened to her Mother when she told her not to play the game? If she had listened to the car tell her that it only takes instructions from Tomoe? If she had listened to Marinette when Marinette gave wrong answers on purpose to the riddles? Nothing. She'd be stuck at home, she'd be losing the contest, she wouldn't have even STARTED the contest! But sure. Half way in make the message that Kagami needs to listen to others, that'll hold up. 🙄

Honestly the only thing that had any kind of resolution was Tomoe, which they at least sort of kept up in "Mr. Pigeon 72" with her at least relaxing a little, but that was nearly a footnote compared to the rest of the episode. So like. 1 Star for that I guess.

When this episode came out, I surmised that this episode was salvagable: Just have the two girls desperate to complete the contest, not just to get to see Adrien, but also to not have to be stuck together anymore. After essentially a full season of not seeing eye to eye, make this a "rivals to friends" episodes where the two girls methods are at odds.

Kagami is logical, blunt, a straight shooter, graceful. She'll handle the physical challenges with ease, like quickly fishing out the next clue from the river. Marinette is compassionate, social, kind, patient. She'll handle the friendship parts of the challenges, like pulling out Kagami's natural smile for the selfie challenge. Each girl gets to shine and impress the other just by being themselves and they grow to appreciate what the other brings to the table over the contest.

(Although it's a bit unfair since Marinette already thinks Kagami is so amazing that Adrien will instantly fall for her if she lets them be near each other, whereas Kagami already has a low opinion of Marinette, so it's not a fair and even starting point)

Could even do the opposite where they surprise each other. Marinette could see another group doing the fishing challenge but having trouble and offer to help, over Kagami's protests, but in helping the other group, both teams get done quicker. And then having Marinette obsess over getting the perfect "friend" photo to guarantee a win but have Kagami note that they need to only meet the requirements to continue on. Have Kagami be impressed by Marinette's kindness not holding her back and have Marinette be impressed by Kagami's ability to focus on the important things.

Have there be set backs - have Kagami be frustrated by Marinette's lack of focus or Marinette by Kagami's inability to listen to others. Make the problems in the contest reflect in the akuma fight. That way when Kagami skips Longg's spiel and messes up Ladybug's plan, it's more of a revelation for Kagami and becomes something she can work on. (And make Marinette have to face her own issue that you decide to make Kagami annoyed by)

So to make a long story fucking short, this episode is confusing, seems to be two halves of different stories, ignores the last season of character interaction and tries to sell you on a new dynamic between the two girls, and randomly in the middle makes a half hearted jab at one of them after showing the other in her worst form.

So I don't really like the canon episode.

[uptoolateart]

Watching ‘Ikari Gozen’ again and can’t help noting that both Kagami and Adrien, the two totally controlled by their crazy parents, are the ones who get literally swallowed by her akumatised mother, consumed and controlled.

[plumsaffron]

Chronicles Of Miraculous Fandom Phobic Lila Rossi Part 2

Lets get it.

Last Time On Based Cherry

Now some Based Cerise Vegito brimming Ladyfandom Phobia.

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continuing now.

even if it's shown it's really the other way around

The Final Joker Chronicle Here (Part 3)

[clarkgriffon]

one gifset per episode → mr. pigeon 72

[gale-gentlepenguin]

so, uhm, an au where instead of Tomoe getting akumatised in ikari gozen, kagami get akumatised in to what ever hawkmoth was planning on. what would that akuma be named and what would her on the nose power be?

Well I assume Kagami would likely be given a power similar to Oni-chan like before. But really It would probably end more or less the same with Marinette managing to fix the mistake. As she would be honest and that would fix the power.

I wish I had more for this, its been in my inbox for so long, but I cant really think of much else.

[sugarshackpeasant]

the ikari gozen’s on their way to fight ladynoir:

[judicious-loveless-brat]

JLB Miraculous Reviews: S5E2 Multiplication

(Obvious Spoilers for Miraculous Season 5)

Oh Alya honey, what has happened to you lately? I thought we agreed on leaving all this nonsense in Season 3? Some things never change, I guess.

Let's go into Multiplication: the second episode of Miraculous Season 5.

We begin with Clara Contard reporting about Monarch's appearance and threats, wondering about how he got ahold of the Miraculouses. Ladybug starts to tell Cat Noir about the possible reason of the loss of the Miraculouses. She states that she thought she gave the Dog Miraculous to Adrien, but she actually gave it to Félix pretending to be Adrien since the two of them look so alike I blame the animators.

And because Cat Noir actually has a brain for once, he suggests that both Monarch and Félix made a mistake as this proves that the two of them have a connection. Just as they were about to fly to London to find Félix, they're interrupted by Su Han who decided to be a guardian for once.

(These are just the English subtitles, as the English dub hasn't been released yet.)

Su Han: Ladybug, you were supposed to protect the Miraculous. You have failed in your duty as a guardian.

He has the balls to say that Ladybug has failed her duty as a guardian when he literally has done even less work as a mentor than Master Fu's incompetent ass did when he isn’t yelling at Marinette.

We then cut to Gabriel de-transforming in his lair. He then threatens the Kwamis that they're all under his control and so does their powers. And it's only a matter of time for him to get Ladybug and Cat Noir's Miraculous.

We go back to Ladybug defending herself as well as Cat Noir from Su Han's protests.

Ladybug: But I was protecting the Miraculous.

Su Han: So explain why they aren't with you anymore? All fifteen that were in the box, including the Rabbit. What will happen if Monarch decides to use it to change the course of time?

Cat Noir: He's already tried to. But don't worry we've got it back and have put it in a safe place. We gave it to someone who is amazing.

Ladybug: And we'll do the same with all of the others.

Cat Noir: And we finally have a clue that will lead us to Monarch.

Ladybug: So instead of blaming us, why don't you help and trust us, Grand Master?

And because Ladybug and Cat Noir have a point, Su Han kneels down and apologizes to her, saying that he got distracted by stupid reasons modern life and cat videos for four months and that he should've guided her instead of being against her since he has been guardian longer than she has. And in this rare moment of guardianship, Su Han jumps back to Tibet to get some backup, meaning he probably won't appear for a couple of episodes or worse, the whole season.

The heroes transform into their space power-ups to fly to London. Ladybug searches for more information about Félix and surprisingly, he has his own Wikipedia page. It's revealed that his name is actually Félix Fathom, son of the late American billionaire Colt Fathom and aristocrat Lady Amelie Graham de Vanily (so does this mean that Adrien is royalty?). He's a triple medalist of Kung Fu and horsemanship, a chess prodigy and the youngest person to graduate highschool in England. So basically, he has accomplished more in his life than we ever have.

Cosmobug and Astrocat arrive at Félix's home and asks Amelie about his whereabouts.

Amelie: My son wasn't home today when I woke up. I wasn't worried because he was supposed to visit his cousin Adrien in Paris. Those two are inseparable. But Félix didn't return any of my calls, so I called his uncle Gabriel. And he said that he hasn't seen him.

Cosmobug: But, he was in Paris. I talked to him.

Amelie: Oh Cosmobug and Astrocat, I hope nothing bad happened to him.

Cosmobug: Be calm. He should appear at his uncle's house.

Astrocat: Or maybe he's coming back to London already.

Amelie: Thank you so much for the support you are giving to me.

We'll go back to this later.

Cosmobug and Astrocat leave Félix's house. They didn't even bother checking the whole house to see if he's there. We then get a beautiful scene of them talking upon the night sky.

They wonder if they are wrong about Félix and are having doubts. Astrocat suggests that they find other clues since Monarch is going to keep attacking and that they're going to find out what happened to Félix together. And Cosmobug says that until then, they're going to be more careful than ever since Monarch is apparently so powerful even though they screwed up the many chances of winning against him in the last episode. The two of them then go back to Paris, where we get two good character moments of Marinette and Adrien.

We get a sorrowful scene of Marinette having flashbacks of the Kwamis being cheerful and playful, but they're not really there. It clearly highlights how impactful the loss of not only the Miraculouses but the Kwamis is to her. It shows how guilty Marinette is of failing to protect them. She calls Alya and asks for her company, trying to pretend that she's okay.

We also get a scene of Adrien having a flashback of Félix talking to him in Risk. He blames himself for letting Félix manipulate him and that he should have listened to Marinette. He also has a vision of Marinette telling him that why doesn't he just tell his father the truth. Adrien remembers this and goes to his father's office, as we finally get to see Adrien stand up to his father.

Adrien: Father, I have an important issue to talk with you but I don't know how-

Gabriel: Tell me quickly, Adrien. I'm very busy.

Adrien: I don't want to be a model anymore.

Gabriel: Okay. If that is what you want. Something else?

And that's basically it. What, were you expecting something more dramatic? Maybe an argument between a father and a son? Something that would actually change their relationship forever? OF COURSE NOT! Despite being built up as a very big deal for Adrien's character, Gabriel is somehow okay with Adrien not wanting to do what he wants anymore. You'd think with how much of a big deal this was, there'd be more tension in Adrien and Gabriel's relationship now, but Gabriel is just perfectly fine with this. Well, that was anticlimactic. Although, I wouldn't say it was bad either, as it definitely gave Adrien character growth.

We then go back to Marinette blaming herself for what happened while Alya reassures her that it's not her fault. Marinette says that everything has happened because she confused Adrien with Félix while Alya tells her that Félix was pretending to be Adrien and that anyone would have been fooled by him. But Marinette declares that she loves Adrien so she should've known him well and not be fooled by anyone who is pretending to be him, to which Alya disagrees and states that they have "been through so much together". Is this really important right now?

I hate to break it to you Alya, but the two of them have not been through so much together. Yes, Marinette sticks up for Adrien at times but outside of school interactions, Adrien and Marinette rarely spend any time together nor developed their relationship outside of alternate timelines I'm looking at you Cat Blanc and Ephemeral. Seriously, we are five seasons in and the only times Adrien ever spent time with Marinette were times of his social or work obligations where many people were around and Marinette happened to be there, times where he bumped into her in public with no plans of hanging out with her and times where he was only asking her for a favor. To put it in simple, Marinette and Adrien's relationship is as of classmates or acquaintances, not super close best friends who have been through so much together that the show claims them to be. If the show desperately wants to say that Marinette and Adrien are so close, then make them actually spend time together without the help of any outside forces and develop their relationship in the process. Just make them hang out sincerely. This is one of the problems the Love Square has that made a portion of the fandom lose interest in it. Also why bring up the Statue Scene again when it's literally one of Adrienette's cringiest moments and Marinette's worst moments with Adrien.

And because Marinette believes that it's her love for Adrien that caused all of this and not Félix, she tries to not have a crush on him anymore, even though we know that's going to turn out for her.

Alya: Hello, do you remember the times when you tried not to like him?

Yes Alya, I perfectly remember the times where you keep making fun of Marinette about her crush for Adrien and constantly pushing her into situations with him when she's clearly uncomfortable all because you want them to be a thing. I perfectly remember Frozer, where you discouraged Marinette for trying to move on because the two of them are "made for each other". And I definitely didn't forget the New York special, where you literally trapped them in a room with a fake supervillain just to get them to confess their feelings for each other, all while Marinette is moving on from Adrien and in a relationship with Luka. So don't you dare try to say that because you are literally one of the reasons why Marinette can't move on from Adrien. Just let her move on because what relationship she and Adrien has is none of your concerns. Sure, you can be supportive of Adrienette but don't go overboard with it to the point where Marinette doesn't feel comfortable around Adrien anymore.

And while they were talking, Adrien suddenly calls Marinette. Even though Marinette doesn't want to answer, Alya, as the good friend that she is, answers for her. Alya tells Adrien that Marinette isn't here right now. Adrien tells her to tell Marinette that his father gave him permission to not be a model anymore. Marinette quickly steals the phone from Alya and is glad that Adrien finally talked to his father. Adrien then tells a speech of how special Marinette is to him, which surprisingly, she responds to normally.

Adrien: I wanted to tell you. Since I started school, everything has been so new to me. There are still lots of things I don't understand but one thing I'm certain of is that my life would be very different without you. You've always been by my side. For every problem, you've given me great advice. You are special. Thank you, Marinette.

Marinette: You're welcome.

Adrien: It's true. I want you to know how important you are to me. And I hope one day, I can do as much for you as you did for me.

Marinette: How wonderful. I'll see you tomorrow then?

Adrien: Sleep well, Marinette.

Marinette: Ok!

While I do think that Adrien falling for Marinette was a bit rushed since their relationship hasn't got that much development, it's still sweet to see how much he appreciates her as a friend or more. And how ironic that while Adrien is a little flustered while talking to her, Marinette responds in a completely normal tone without even blushing at the sight of him. The tables have turned, I see. Marinette, of course, denies everything and Alya, like all the other Adrienette shippers watching this episode, gets frustrated.

Meanwhile, at Adrien's house, Adrien lovingly gushes over Marinette because she's so special to him. He doesn't even bother to deny anything to Plagg when he teasingly calls him out and says that she's no longer "just a friend". I guess they're flipping the Love Square now, I see.

Nathalie arrives at the Agreste Mansion and glares at Gabriel. Gabriel takes a quick glance at Nathalie and looks away.

So I guess they're no longer on the same boat then?

Nathalie then goes to check on Adrien in his room. She's relieved that Adrien is safe and unharmed. I'm predicting that since Nathalie doesn't want to help Gabriel anymore (and that sticks till the very end), she'll begin to reconnect and rekindle her relationship with Adrien and probably defend him from Gabriel if he ever tries to do something to his son. Hopefully, they don't kill her off for her redemption.

At the very next day (so I guess parts of Risk, Strikeback, Evolution and the first part of Multiplication all happened in just one day), Alix's father, with Ladybug's authorization, announces to the whole class that his daughter is gonna withdraw for a while as she's been chosen as a superhero to travel through time to protect the Rabbit Miraculous. He also assures them that she'll come back when Monarch's defeated.

Okay first of all, why would Ladybug authorize him to tell the whole class that Alix is a superhero? Wouldn't that jeopardize Alix's secret identity? What if with this information, Monarch finds out and uses it to his advantage? Sure, Alix would be safe but what about her family? What if Monarch does to Alix's family what he did to Alya's in Sentibubbler? I thought Ladybug herself said that nobody should find out the secret identities of the Miraculous holders?

Lastly, why would Ladybug even trust the class with this information in the first place? How is she so sure that this will end well? Chloé (who has literally worked for Hawkmoth multiple times) and Lila (who she doesn't even trust at all) were both in that room. Not to mention that if any of them gets akumatized, then Ladybug will have to worry about them spilling the information to Monarch.

Seriously writers, you couldn't bother finding another excuse as to why Alix couldn't attend class for a period of time?

With this announcement, the teachers try to hype up the students and tell them how they don't need to be superheroes to support Ladybug and Cat Noir. How ironic, considering all of them, except for Lila, became superheroes. Mylène expresses her fear of Monarch and Max states that Monarch has majority of the Miraculous and has a big shot of winning. Nino tells him that he isn't really helping. Ivan calms Mylène down and suggests that they do yoga so that she can lessen the fear she has. And Marinette agrees of helping balancing the emotions of who's afraid as fear can't control them. Rose exclaims that Monarch won't win if they think positively. The rest of the class cheers while Chloé mocks them for being afraid, proposing why they don't just give Monarch what he wants. She tells them that they are in this situation because of Ladybug and Cat Noir's incompetence, while promoting herself as Queen Bee. While she is true, Lila explains that Ladybug and Cat Noir are still young and they had to make a few mistakes with that much power and responsibility. She says that they need to forgive Ladybug because fighting a supervillain shouldn't be a job for a kid.

I can't believe I'm saying this but, Lila is definitely right! Even though I know she's just lying, Lila absolutely makes a great point. Ladybug and Cat Noir are just kids (although it doesn't excuse some of the more incompetent decisions they made). And it isn't their job to fight Monarch because they're still kids. I don't know what Lila ate to make her say these things but these are definitely facts that majority of the fandom who are very hard on Marinette and Adrien needs to hear.

A scene shows of Ladybug and Cat Noir starting on keeping an eye for Monarch to battle him on the Eiffel Tower. Another scene shows of Adrien walking down the stairs when he suddenly notices Gabriel and Tomoe alone in his office talking, to which his Bodyguard closes the door behind them.

Adrien's mind: So Kagami's gonna be my stepsis now?

Also, Nathalie is apparently very replaceable because Gabriel has a collection of a million women in his closet who is willing to do evil with him.

Another scene shows of Adrien getting of his car and meeting up with his friends at school. He sees Marinette and tries to kiss her on the cheek as a greeting (even though he didn't do that to Alya and Nino for some reason), but Marinette, being visibly uncomfortable, stands back and offers him a handshake instead. Oh boy, it gets much worse later.

The next scenes show Parisians doing their best to cope with Monarch's threats. Mylène and Ivan opens a yoga club. Nora, with Alya and Nino, practices kickboxing with standees of Shadow Moth.

We also get a scene of Adrien and Lila getting digitalized with the help of the Tsurugi company, serving as a solution for Adrien not wanting to model anymore.

Basically, all of this scenes are part of a montage showing a course of weeks passing in Paris. However, these attempts eventually died down when weeks passed by and no akumatization had occurred. Nadja reports that Monarch hasn't attacked since weeks. Even Ladybug and Cat Noir acknowledges this while playing cards at the Eiffel Tower, as well as the fact that Félix hasn't appeared. So, has he given up? Let's see. Of course he didn't.

The next day, Adrien arrives at school and attempts to kiss Marinette again. This time, Alya PHYSICALLY PREVENTS Marinette from avoiding the kiss.

This has so many problems. Alya... why?

1. It doesn't matter if it's just a friendly kiss or a greeting kiss! If Adrien wanted to kiss Marinette as a friend, shouldn't Alya and Nino be getting one from him as well, since they're his friends too? And if it were really with friendly intentions, shouldn't Adrien be giving Marinette cheek kisses pre-Multiplication?

2. Marinette is visibly uncomfortable! It doesn't matter if he just wants to kiss her as a friend or it's a French thing. It's still wrong for Alya to force Marinette onto Adrien not only once but thrice! Why are Adrien's feelings put on a pedestal while Marinette's feelings are disregarded and shrugged off in this situation? This is super uncomfortable and unfair for Marinette!

3. It doesn’t excuse Marinette being physically restricted by Alya! She was already avoiding the kiss and had already told MANY TIMES to Alya on how she wants to move on. Even if she secretly loves him deep down, she should not be forced to get kissed and her so-called "best friends" should respect her decision. What Alya and Adrien are doing to Marinette is making her feel uneasy and distressed. This is borderline harassment in Marinette's case!

Luckily, Ikari Gozen interrupts the unwanted kiss and jumps to Collège Françoise Dupont. She destroys the school with her bokken and rampages around Paris, attempting to destroy the city and create a new one. Because Alya actually remembers that she is Marinette's confidant, she pulls Marinette to a safe place to transform into Ladybug. Adrien also goes to the train station to transform into Cat Noir.

Ladybug and Cat Noir arrive on top of the Arc de Triomphe, where Ikari Gozen plans on destroying. Cat Noir comments on how Monarch came back just to akumatize Ikari Gozen again. Ladybug stresses that they didn't fight her alone before (as they had the help of Ryuko) but Cat Noir reassures her, saying that they always used to fight together, just the two of them.

Ikari Gozen notices the heroes and ridicules them about how they're too antique to be heroes and that Paris needs "modern heroes". I wonder if this is part of Gabriel's plan and partnership with Tomoe at the end of the episode. We'll get to this later.

Ikari Gozen tries to hit Cat Noir with her bokken but is stopped by his staff. Ladybug tries to get the bokken with her yo-yo but misses and Ikari Gozen flicks her away, throwing her to the trees of Jardin des Tuileries. Cat Noir checks up on Ladybug to see if she's okay but in doing so, Ikari Gozen successfully destroys the Arc de Triomphe.

Ikari Gozen swiftly runs to the Grand Palais to destroy it next but is distracted by Cat Noir, who has activated Cataclysm. While Ikari Gozen is focused on attacking Cat Noir, Ladybug successfully ties her yo-yo around her bokken. But unfortunately for her, Ikari Gozen activates the Mouse Miraculous power, multiplying into twelve versions of herself.

This gives off major Attack on Titan vibes.

Ladybug and Cat Noir are shocked that Ikari Gozen (or as Cat Noir said, Ikari Dozen) used the power of the Mouse Miraculous. The Ikari Dozen clones go berserk and destroy everything that they deem "less modern" in sight (so, she's basically reverse Bakerix). That includes the Montparnasse Tower and...

NOT THE EIFFEL TOWER AGAIN-

An Ikari Dozen clone tries to hit Ladybug and Cat Noir but is unsuccessful, destroying the Grand Palais in the process. While fighting the clones, Ladybug suspects that Monarch gave Ikari Dozen the Mouse Miraculous while Cat Noir is proud that they'll reclaim another Miraculous back. Spoiler Alert: They don't.

Ladybug and Cat Noir hide under the debris of the destroyed Grand Palais, surrounded by the rampaging clones. Ladybug conjures her Lucky Charm, getting a fishing rod. She tries to think of a solution, highlighting the fishing rod, Collège Françoise Dupont, Ikari Dozen's bokken, a pillar that fell down inside the principal's office and Cat Noir in her vision. She now has an idea of the plan, telling Cat Noir what he should do.

Ladybug then distracts the Ikari Dozen clones and lures them away while Cat Noir escapes. Ladybug lures them to Collège Françoise Dupont, signaling Cat Noir. The original Ikari Dozen tries to hit Ladybug but misses, completely falling for her trap and putting her bokken inside the principal's office. Cat Noir uses the fishing rod to bring the pillar down and gets the bokken stuck. Ikari Dozen tries to get her bokken out but Cat Noir cataclysms it, releasing the Akuma. Ladybug purifies it, releasing the Ikari Dozen clones out of existence. Ladybug and Cat Noir pound-it and Mrs. Tsurugi is returned to her normal self. Tomoe explains the "reason" why she got akumatized. Ladybug asks Tomoe to check if there's any Miraculouses on her clothes and to their surprise, she doesn't possess the Mouse Miraculous. They suspect that this must be Monarch's surprise for being MIA for weeks. Ladybug then uses Miraculous Ladybug, gives Mrs. Tsurugi a useless Magical Charm and they leave.

Tomoe gets inside her car and tells Tatsu to take her to her office. With her special hi-tech ring, she calls Gabriel.

Gabriel: Tsurugi-san.

Tomoe: The prototype worked, Gabriel.

Gabriel: Very well. Let's go for the next step.

And as of this episode, it's revealed that Tomoe Tsurugi has became an ally of Gabriel and through what I've heard, she helped him create these technological rings to allow Monarch to transfer the powers of the Miraculous to his akumatized villains that wears them, with herself serving as a test subject. I wonder how would Kagami react to her mother siding with a terrorist. Also, good move Gabriel. This is actually a smart plan. I wonder how they created this rings though.

We then get an ad of these rings, named Alliance rings, a project between the Tsurugis and Agrestes. And...

My eyes hurt just seeing him in... this. Moving on.

The Alliance rings have four modes: Assistant mode, Akuma alert mode, Call mode and Navigation mode. Assistant mode can answer simple questions, solve math problems and launch other applications or applets and the digitalized versions of Lila and Adrien seem to be the only models of the assistants in Assistant mode. Akuma alert mode notifies the user if there is an active Akuma attack near them so that they can get to safety quickly. Call mode allows you to receive and start video calls with other rings and presumably phones as well. Navigation mode shows a map and gives general or complete directions to a destination. If you ask me, Monarch can DEFINITELY use this rings to his own advantage. I wonder how is he going to fail now. Probably through plot armor

While holding their promotional campaign, Gabriel makes a gesture to Lila and Adrien to come to the stage. On stage, Adrien asks Gabriel.

Adrien: Listen father, is this why you digitalized me?

Gabriel: Yes, son. I'm freeing you from your model career. That was what you wanted, right?

While this is definitely heartwarming, I won't be fooled again this time! This is just one of those times where Gabriel tries to act like a good father to Adrien in one episode and then becomes a piece of shit to him again at the very next episodes. Nice try writers, but you won't deceive me again.

So the episode ends with a post-credits scene where Amelie knocks on Félix's bedroom for tea time. While Félix sits on the couch and opens his laptop, Amelie reveals that she lied to Cosmobug and Astrocat.

Amelie: Don't worry, darling! Mother is here to protect you from the superheroes that think that you are a villain.

Isn't he though? This could mean two things, either Amelie is oblivious to Félix's actions or she's onboard with all of this, and I think it's more of the latter than the former.

When his mother leaves him be, Félix pulls out the Peacock Miraculous and wears it, letting Duusu out.

Duusu: Where is Nathalie? Are you my new holder?

Félix: I am way more than that, Duusu.

I wonder what he means when he says he's more than that. Who am I kidding, he's definitely a Sentimonster along with Adrien.

But yeah, Multiplication was honestly a fine episode for me. It's definitely better than Evolution. It had many problems, but not as big as Evolution's. I can even say that it's better than most Season 4 episodes.

For the most part, it had good continuity from the Season 4 finale. Ladynoir working together to defeat Ikari Gozen was also a highlight in this episode for me. The first half of the episode literally had more plot progression without feeling rushed than half of Season 4 in general lmao. The characters begin to have more agency in the plot. It's good to see how Nathalie really cares for Adrien and I hope she does get character growth in the future. The short Félix and Lila appearances were also nice. As anticlimactic it was, Adrien standing up to Gabriel is a nice setup for his character. And as we all suspected, Tomoe and Gabriel work together. I wouldn't be surprised if Audrey is also involved in this Evil Rich Parents society, based on the Feast and Gabriel Agreste episodes.

Of course like I said, there were many problems with this episode. Su Han's scene where he explains his lack of appearances last season is a big joke and just goes to show that his whole character has been nothing but useless whenever he doesn't yell at Marinette. Alix's reason of absence could've been explained in another way without exposing her identity. Seriously, did the writers just not think of saying that Alix went on another country with relatives or something? But I guess the secret identity rule is practically ignored since it really only applies to Chloé and not the other heroes who got their identities exposed. Adrienette's portrayal in this episode is weird at best while creepy and uncomfortable at worst. The way he fell for Marinette seems really rushed but Adrien expecting her to be okay with kissing her is outright irritating. He didn't even ask her for permission just like he did in Cat Blanc. I know that he likes Marinette now for some reason but that doesn't excuse him kissing her without her consent. She even backs away from him every time he attempts to kiss her, visibly uncomfortable, and he still doesn't get the hint. It's definitely gonna leave a bad taste to the audience, especially since it teaches kids that kissing someone without their consent is definitely okay, as long as you like them. How on earth did they think that we would be okay with this? And to be honest, this isn't even the worst part of the episode. Because...

Yes, what Alya did in this episode definitely deserves a spotlight. This is probably one of Alya's unlikeable moments in the series. Instead of respecting Marinette's wishes to move on from Adrien, she still pushes her to him even though she's visibly uncomfortable. Because God forbid Marinette actually tries to grow as a character and as a person and not let her life revolve around a blonde guy. It's stuff like this that I really wonder why Marinette is still friends with Alya when most of the time, she teases her and forces her out of her comfort zone, which a real best friend shouldn't do. Plus, why is Marinette's feelings for Adrien your priority right now and not how to get back the Miraculouses from Monarch? I seriously hope they don't revert Alya back to her Season 3 self because I actually liked her in Season 4. God please help us.

These problems really drag this episode a bit for me. Then again, these choices just got to me personally. I feel like if those things weren't there or were done much better, things could have made this episode a lot better for me personally. I can definitely see why a lot of people really like this episode, but I'm honestly not too obsessed with it. So, I'll give Multiplication a 7/10.

[multimousenette]

Happy international friendship day to these two and these two only

[imthepunchlord]

Do you think Gabriel is a better character than Adrien?

No, honestly, ML over all doesn't have any "good" characters. And it's largely due to their writing.

They either have characters hop between two extremes and they have those two extremes exist at the same time like Gabriel "I love my son" to "HAHAHA! I'M GOING TO CHUCK MY SON ACROSS PARIS!" or "Chloe the Hero!" to "Chloe the Villain!" or Alya "Marinette I'm your best friend, here to support you, you can trust me with your secret and I will keep things secretive" to "I'm Lila's best friend, you're just being jealous, and hey, Nino, I gotta tell you something".

Or characters have the issue of just being stagnant and they just don't do anything with them, which hey, there's consistency at least, but you're kinda boring as a character cause nothing changes or is done with you, best examples being Adrien and Luka. But we can appreciate consistency so thumbs up?

Or characters are a pinball that writers will fire at random to meet their needs in certain eps so there is zero consistency in their characterization. Best and biggest example is Kagami. Riptose introduces her as someone overly dedicated, no nonsense, competitive, doesn't like her time wasted, and holding herself to a very high standard. Frozer she's a bold romantic, who is still willing to pursue Adrien despite him saying he wants to pursue his initial crush and wasted her time (Riptose Kagami would've slammed the door on his hand). Then Animaestro she's a more subtle Chloe, purposely acting out to make Marinette jealous and show off her close ties with Adrien. Then Ikari Gozen she's all "I want to befriend Marinette but she's initially hostile/wary of me why?".

Lastly, there's the plot device, best and biggest example is Lila, who can mold the narrative to her needs that it throws logic out the window and she only exists when necessary.

So is Gabriel better than Adrien?

No.

Not by a longshot. He's bad by different means.

Adrien suffers by being stagnant, and by making choices that are clearly bad and should be called out, made to be a lesson, or give him some form of consequence, but aren't cause he's not meant to grow as a character.

Gabriel is bad with his inconsistency. Between his feelings of his son, between how we're supposed to feel for him which they do try to play the pity card sometime but he's also an active eager terrorist, between whether he's a joke villain to laugh at or if he's a more serious villain to take seriously. The latter of which is especially hard cause he's an idiot. Dude had freaking time traveling power and he stilled messed it up.

Gabriel I'd probably say is the most embarrassing part of ML simply by the extremes of his portrayal as a villain, cause he's meant to be that idiotic Saturday morning villain to laugh at, but he's also meant to be the big scary force that you're to take very seriously.

It's very rare to get these two to mix, and ML's crew are not skilled enough to do so, leaving Gabriel as a threat you can't take seriously, one that stuck around for far too long, and is someone you don't feel pity for. And his ending is just irritating.

Much like Chloe, with Gabriel they should've just picked a lane in what sort of villain he is.

[princess-of-the-corner]

Had a realization about that whole "ML needed a villain roster" thing and I think a big thing for me is like... Either they needed some Akuma to become permanent and their own thing, or...

Gabriel shouldn't have the Butterfly Miraculous, or it should change.

Hear me out!

Gabriel's end goal is very much an "End the story" goal, he gets the wish or portal to the dead realm or whatever and at best, everything is shifted so much that the entire story becomes something else.

More likely it just ends.

This means he cannot get any significant victories, not unless he manages to just start scoring random Miraculous that aren't even the one's he wants every few episodes, which would get stale fast.

But the butterfly is iconic and Akuma are great conceptually so I think one of two things would need to be done.

1: Gabriel lacks the butterfly, he has some other Miraculous instead, perhaps only the broken Peacock which he is using to churn out semi feral Sentimonsters via using Duusuu's true name rather than transforming. They're powerful but uncontrollable save for him being able to cancel their existence via the Amok.

Or he just has a different Miraculous or even no Miraculous and is instead a money related who relies on teaming up with those with powers and his influence to get what he wants.

2: The Butterfly needs to be deployed rarely and a regular cast of rogues can make up the fights in-between. This means the Butterfly is a much bigger deal. When Hawk Moth turns one lose it is only for major problems, usually brought about by his own orchestration or extreme moments of despair and rage that emerge naturally.

Akuma would be on the level of Stormy Weather, Style Queen, Sandboy, Antibug/Miracle Queen, Ikari Gozen, ETC. Only the top brass. This keeps Akuma feeling important & dangerous I feel.

makes sense!

[awakefor48hours]

What about Azulanette for the ship classification....

Ask Game

ANON I AM KISSING YOU ON THE MOUTH (or whatever form of intimacy you're comfortable with).

I know I'm definitely biased when I say I'd put Azulanette under makes sense and compels me but here's an excuse to talk about it.

First of all Marinette. When it comes to Marinette's love life she has gotten the most characters to fall for her (Adrien, Luka, Nino, Zoe, and Kagami yes, I'm counting her, I refuse to believe Kagami never had a crush on Marinette). But out of all these characters, Adrien has always been "the one" for her and Azula and Adrien do have similar upbringings.

First of all, Adrien's life has been compared to royalty (even though it's usually in a fairy tale setting) and Azula is part of a royal blood line.

Growing up, Adrien had a sheltered life and got a very thorough education (so thorough that his lowest grade ever was an A-) and part of what made Ozai love Azula more is that she was a prodigy.

*Gif taken from this video

As Adrien/as a civilian he has to be an unbreakable image that was meticulously crafted by his dad, like Azula. Everything about Azula has to be "perfect" in every way possible, no just her firebending has to be perfect but her appearance.

As Cat Noir/as a hero, he has the power of destruction and the way that Azula uses her firebending techniques are for destruction/destructive purposes.

You also have the fact that the both of them have poor social skills.

It's easier to remember for Adrien because he's usually talking to other characters (or saying the dreaded "she's just a friend") but Azula is also pretty weird/socially inept and for the same reason as Adrien (she lived a sheltered/away from other kids). The only difference is that Gabriel was trying to make Adrien "perfect" model but Ozai wanted Azula to be the "perfect" soldier (putting quotations around perfect because I don't think perfection exists).

This is another reason why I started gravitating towards Azulanette. As ML goes on, Marinette helps Adrien find courage in himself to start doing things for himself and I can see the same happening for Azula.

Along with Adrien, Marinette also helped Kagami break away from her mom's control and became her first real friend in Ikari Gozen. Then you have Zoe, Zoe was terrified of Chloe so she did her best to be Chloe's carbon copy but after meeting Marinette, she changed. Then you have Adoration, when we see Zoe finally stand up to Chloe.

If given the proper circumstances, this same thing could happen between Azula and Marinette. Azula is a child warrior who spent her life dedicating herself to a war that I don't really think she ever truly believed in. Azula deserves to have a chance to change and be better.

Also, even though there isn't much in the name of Azula's love life, the only love interest Azula has ever had has been Chan but due to her lacking social skills, she sent him away (I want to point out that having poor social skills/coming off too strong wouldn't scare Marinette).

Azula would probably be more attracted to stronger people/people who can protect themselves which is something that Marinette does well. She's the holder of the strongest Miraculous, has worn the most Miraculouses than anyone in history (and she's a kid, so she's only going to get stronger), and she's pretty clever too. I want to again point out that Marinette has gotten several different people to fall for her so Azula can be another one.

Also, they'd be toxic yuri, enemies to lovers, with a red/blue color scheme and because I'm me I love that. So I'd still put them under makes sense and compels me.

[chaifootsteps]

Was it miraculous ladybug lmao?

The creator gave an explanation where miraculous comes from (ITS A WORD THAT EXIST ALREADY). People speculated he was just pulling stuff out his ass.

Same with "akuma", which is a Japanese word and he's notorious for being a giant ass weeb.

A villain was named Ikari Gozen and there was this big Ole discussion about it. I remember one theory I read was it's cause someone was a neon genesis fan.

Oh and a character is named Tikki and he said it means happiness when bitch no it don't

https://www.reddit.com/r/miraculousladybug/comments/or0tdq/what_language_is_tikki_from/

Here's this reddit post lmao.

I've tried watching ML, but gave up. Too many retcons and plot holes. To add salt, doesn't help how unprofessional and inappropriate the creator has been either with people.

Hey, you got further than I did. I watched about 40 seconds and gave up.