#naturopaths

[dinosaurcharcuterie]

As someone working in private health insurance in a country in Europe where this stuff is regulated -- I still hate it.

Naturopathy, chiropractic included, got regulated to make these quacks have some accountability, be forced to look at an anatomy textbook and give people a sense of when they were being ripped off. In response, people assumed this was the government putting naturopaths on the same level as actual doctors and dentists. In response to that, you have actual doctors getting certified as naturopaths and "preferring" to give naturopath treatment unless "allopathic" medicine is "necessary". They say it has nothing to do with the prices for naturopathy being a bit higher, and definitely definitely nothing to do with them thinking their patients are faking things.

And, to be fair, direct injuries (as opposed to indirect damage done from delayed or avoided medical attention) from naturopaths are low and mostly limited to medication interactions where people fully believe herbal tea magically can't affect medication, or allergic reactions to massage oils... Except in one area. You get three guesses which.

So, chiropractic especially got regulated even more strictly when injuries kept happening. And it changed nothing much so far, half a decade later. They're supposed to send patients to a doctor if it's a more complex problem, but...

In my current caseload of chronically ill patients I've now got someone who got unlimited chiropractic approved. The original argument was that they'd need less physiotherapy (28-45 euro are covered per session, depending on diagnosis, of which 3 a week are necessary). They have since quit physio entirely, and their condition has gotten mysteriously worse, despite upping the chiro (70-90 euro per session) from twice a month to 3-4 times a week, and their doctors prescribing stronger meds and getting surgery.

I've got someone who has several all caps warnings to not pay out any chiro, as the professor of orthopedics who has been treating them for double digit months says it might be lethal. Their spine is so damaged, half the bones are misaligned and look like something out of a geode splitting ASMR video. After surgery. With half a hardware store worth of titanium screws and plates trying to keep their spinal cord straight enough to undo the nerve damage that kind of injury causes.

I wish those cases were rare enough that just describing them narrows it down to a small enough group of people to identify someone by, but I'm not.

Yes, we get sat down once every quarter or two and told what numbers look good and what numbers make the CEO so so sad. They're happy if a 70 euro chiro visit means the problem is fixed, instead of a 20 minute doctor visit (12 euro, 25 if they're feeling frisky, because regulated prices) with a prescription (3 euro) of 6 rounds of physio (usually the 28 euro/session kind, plus a one time 16 euro fee for non chronic issues or new therapy attempts). But that's only true if the doctor-cum-naturopath types are right and the patient is faking and just needs to whine a little and feel another human being touch them to feel better forever.

Statistics show it's costlier to pay out naturopaths in the long run. Because we can't cancel cover over here. We can't adjust what kind of cover someone has once they have the insurance. We can hike up premiums if costs rise, but that just makes all the healthy cash cows seek greener pastures. The limit to out of pocket pay is 5k annually, and most companies cap it at half that at most, usually just 1.2k.

So why is it covered under those circumstances? The same reason GSH dogs still get liability cover despite causing the most damage, both material and personal, of any dog breed, pit bulls included: it's part of the cultural landscape, and to exclude it would cost you customers and have you branded as a tyrannical, unreasonable company.

And to make matters worse: the fact that we are more or less forced by convention to accept naturopaths as legitimate physicians, means we ask about how often you've visited them in the past as a prospective customer. We can only adjust cover before anything is signed, after all. And because naturopaths have to pretend to be physicians to operate, they have to say what diagnosis they're treating. If they have a medical degree (most don't), that's not too hard and they tend to stay realistic. If they don't, they still have to write something down which they feel is plausible, but serious enough to warrant (further) treatment. Ideally they'd communicate with a physician over that, but that requires a treating physician. And also scary legal paperwork. And the cooperation of said physician, because they sure as fuck can't argue they're providing vital and necessary care beyond the doctor's skill level.

Any stab in the dark they take is now a pre existing condition. Not fixed in six months? Welp, that's chronic. And, yeah, private health insurance companies will refuse to accept you if your health status too egregious (with very few exceptions if you're not a newborn). Or maybe they will--and then be legally in their right to charge up to juuuust under double the usual premium until you can prove you don't have that diagnosis.

How? Easy! A physician needs to confirm (25-40 euros) through lab work (anywhere from 15-2500 euros), and your naturopath can't charge for it anymore if you do get in, or at least one of you will get sued for fraud. In which case you're now on the hook for all costs related to that diagnosis which you've incurred with an insurance company. Plus interest at the current rate of inflation.

So... Only healthy people and the naturopaths are harmed the least by this. Because--oh yes--they recommend healthy people get treatment prophylactically.

I'm not saying health insurance are the good guys (my job would be so much easier if there was universal, science based, tax funded health insurance) but this particular flavor of fuckery is 100% organic woo lobbying.

Periodic reminder that you should never trust a chiropractor with your body under any circumstances

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My physiotherapist recommended a naturopath to me. I've been pretty hesitant to try one as they seem, um, hokey... but I thought, okay a recommendation. Sure.

She just suggested I try belladonna for my headaches. Belladonna is... a poison, is it not?

To those who know more than me about this, is this person a quack or is belladonna a legit recommendation? My quick google search leans more toward quackery

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[queenlua]

going to urgent care in Seattle is extra-fun because you have to double-triple-check whether or not you are about to be seen by a goddamn "naturopath" or y'know someone with actual medical training

[sprucegrouses]

Idk if I told this story yet. So I mentioned I used to work in an esoteric type of shop that sold things like crystals and herbs. The clientele was just about as funky as you’d expect, because we’re not smack dab in the middle of the city it was rare you’d get a real, true character. But they did come. So one day a man and a woman come in, the man is really really interested in the herbs. He asks if we have motherwort, which we do, but I tell him the packages we sell are not meant for human consumption. He tells me that his buddy’s grandmother used to drink motherwort tea every day, it got rid of her cancer, and she lived to be 96. Cool, I get people like this all the time. Smile and wave. Well he clearly thinks I need more convincing so he calls his buddy and puts him on speaker. His buddy tells the story again and starts saying things like “the hospitals and pharmacies won’t help you, they’ll pump you full of drugs, the hospitals are where the devil lives” and I got so angry at this man and his buddy that I loudly declared that I’m done, thank you and walked away. My mom beat cancer twice but she isn’t here anymore and yes she died in a hospital. She was alive at the time this happened but it angered me just the same.

People die from cancer because it’s a dangerous disease, not because they didn’t eat a plant. That man is of the reasons I won’t go back to that shop or shops just like it, because frankly I wouldn’t be able to keep my composure if it happened again. People who think like this can’t possibly understand what it’s like to have a chronic illness and ones that are life-threatening no less.

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[climbdraws]

I'll never forget when I was 12 and first started showing signs of depression/anxiety the school guidance counselor sat me down and told me it was all because of my period