#nor is daemon

[reignof-fyre]

"Rhaenyra was Maegor with Teats!"

"Daemon would be Maegor come again!"

Maegor's crimes:

Usurped the throne from the lawful, rightful heir

Murdered said rightful heir, committing Kinslaying

Rape, more than once

Killed every man, woman and child of House Harroway due to a rumor that his wife, Alys Harroway, had an affair

Ordered his nephew Viserys tortured, from which injuries he died

Put all the workers of the Red Keep's construction to death to keep the secret tunnels well, secret

Butchered 2,000 poor fellows who were, in actual fact, smallfolk at the wrong place at the wrong time

Raped an innkeeper's daughter

Murdered Lord Hayford, and many others

Ordered Rhaella, daughter of Aegon the Uncrowned and Rhaena the Black Bride, to be butchered

Rhaenyra's crimes

Being a woman in a man's world

Having the audacity to want to be heir and the power that comes with it

Allegedly sired bastards though there's no actual proof

Daemon's crimes

Despised the wife he was forced to marry at sixteen years old, who despised him just as much

Spent time with the smallfolk and drank and whored with them, treated them like people

Carried out lawful punishments as Lord Commander of the City Watch

Took a dragon egg without permission, which he returned when Viserys demanded it returned

Blood and Cheese

Aegon the Usurper's crimes

Usurped the lawful heir of the previous monarch

Demanded said heir and her whole family be killed when Rhaenyra wouldn't roll over and accept his "kind" terms

Slept with young girls, children really

Fondled any and every serving girl within reach, likely against their will

Bid in an auction for a young girl's maidenhead and won, siring children on her

Often found in Flea Bottom rat pits with young girls pleasuring him

Often watched "feral, starving children" fight one another for amusement

Threw a feast celebrating Prince Lucerys' cold blooded murder

Ordered every single ratcatcher in the city hanged, even those proven innocent

Allowed Cole to murder the Black supporters in the black cells, angering a great many lords of the realm

Murdered his own sister, committing Kinslaying

Murdered Maester Gerardys for no reason other than he "mistrusted" him

Aemond's crimes:

Used underhanded tactics to claim a dragon he knew his father would disapproved him trying to claim

Threatened the heirs heir and heir to driftmark with death

Committed treason by calling Jace and Luke bastards

Murdered Lucerys in cold blood, especially after he declared that "losing an eye was a fair trade for a dragon"

Is the reason the dance turned from a war of ravens to full on, bloody civil war

Butchered all of House Strong, men, women and children included

He took Alys Rivers as his spoils of war

Indiscriminately burned the Riverlands, murdering thousands of innocents

Daeron's crimes

Burned and entire town to the ground with his dragon, killing hundreds of innocent refugees

Ordered Hugh Hammer and Ulf the White murdered because they insulted him

Helaena's crimes

Supported her husband's usurpation of the throne, and being crowned queen herself

Not much else, but even if she declared herself neutral in the face of all of this, neutrality in the face of oppression means you side with the oppressor so...

[rarepears]

Shen Jiu is Yue Qingyuan's daemon

PIDW Daemon idea where Shen Jiu is Yue Qingyuan's daemon. Shen Jiu took on a human form because Trauma (first he tried on a human form to beg for money and food because Yue Qingyuan was on the brink of starving to death and a monkey form wasn't cutting it), then they were separated unnaturally so by the Qiu family who had no idea that Shen Jiu was a daemon.

Then Shen Jiu pushes Yue Qi to escape the Qiu family to safety thinking that he would be able to shift forms - Yue Qi wasn't adult yet so surely Shen Jiu hadn't settled into the final form, right? - only for him to discover that

uh

he did settle in that form due to too many injuries the Young Master Qiu inflicted on him.

Who would have ever thought that the Qing Jing peak lord was a daemon, huh.

[starry-eyer]

i think most people would hate him if the showrunners decided to stick with canon

let’s not forget Bitterbridge and Tumbleton

daeron the war criminal deserved his pathetic death

[alicentflorent]

People are shading Rhaenyra over being angry about constantly being harassed about bringing daemon back but let’s not forget that he groomed her, emotionally manipulated her and since the usurping had started to become physically abusive to her. Daemon is important to their war efforts because he has caraxes and is the only one willing to willing to get his hands dirty by directly committing war crimes but Rhaenyra is still struggling with questioning every aspect of the relationship she thought that they had and if he can still be trusted to be loyal if she chooses to end the relationship

[witheredoffherwitch]

I think it's time we accept that TGC and Ewan may low-key ship *Rhaegon* and *Daemond* in secret 💀

And if not them, then they are definitely sailing hardcore on *Aegond* ship 😙👉👈

[rhaenin-time]

Wait so Alicent, Daemon, and book!Rhaenyra were all married off at the same age, but for some reason only the one who abused the children from said marriage is considered a "child" and the eternal victim, while the other two are "selfish" for... not committing marital rape?

[annes-andromeda]

Long Post Incoming

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I don’t know who needs to hear this (*cough* TB stans *cough*) but Aegon has always had a stronger claim that Rha*nyra.

According to Andal law, a son comes before a daughter, and a niece comes before an uncle. The only time Rha*nyra had a strong claim was when she was Vis*rys’s only living child. No one wanted Da*mon on the IT because they knew that he would essentially be a second Maegor (or worse). Not only was Rha*nyra more well liked at the time, but in accordance to the law, she had a stronger claim that Da*mon.

At the end of the day, Rha*nyra being named heir had nothing to do with Rha*nyra. In the book, she was named heir so that Da*mon wouldn’t become king, and in the show, she was named heir because of Vis*rys’s guilt for killing Aemma. It was never about her. But, once Rha*nyra heard her daddy name her his successor, she rolled with it and refused to give up her claim. Which again, at the time, was at its strongest.

That is, until Vis*rys married Alicent and had Aegon.

Otto states that the succession changed the second Aegon was born, and although Otto isn’t the easiest man to like, he wasn’t wrong. As soon as Vis*rys fathered a living son, Rha*nyra was brought down from being first in line, to being second in line, with Da*mon now being third in line.

Now GRRM harkened back to Henry VIII and the succession crisis regarding his three living children (Mary, Elizabeth, and Edward), and states that Edward was third in line but was to become king first.

There’s just one problem. There was no succession crisis.

Edward, despite his age, was ALWAYS first in line for the throne. Everyone and their mother knew the second he was born, he would be Henry’s heir. Henry removed Mary and Elizabeth from the succession and denounced them as illegitimate because he annulled his marriages to his first and second wives, Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn.

Mary and Elizabeth were only returned to the succession through the Third Succession Act of 1543 because Henry did not father anymore sons, and he needed spares should anything happen to Edward. But Edward remained first in line nonetheless, whereas Mary and Elizabeth followed right after despite both of them being older.

Because of Aegon’s birth, Rha*nyra’s claim has weakened substantially, and while it’s still stronger than Da*mon’s, people will naturally gravitate towards Aegon due to the majority of Westeros, save for Dorne, following male primogeniture.

If Vis*ys really wanted to strengthen his daughters claim and instill her as heir, then he would’ve never remarried and had sons. He would’ve helped Rha*nyra gain allies, and teach her how to rule. But he didn’t. He just named her heir and that’s it.

Which is why Vis*rys still wanting Rha*nyra to be his successor despite having Aegon is stupid, because the law dictates that Aegon is first in line. And Vis*rys never changed the laws of succession, he only wanted his daughter to be the exception.

Now if this were Dorne, where absolute primogeniture is practiced, then Rha*nyra would most certainly be the uncontested heir. But since she’s not Dornish, Rha*nyra’s claim to the IT is weaker than Aegon’s. And it only gets weaker once Vis*rys sires two more sons following Aegon.

With the births of Aegon, Aemond, and Daeron, Rha*nyra is pushed even further down the line of succession. And when Aegon has two legitimate sons of his own (Jaehaerys and Maelor), she’s pushed even further down the line.

It’s why Da*mon groomed and married her: so he would get closer to the throne. But even with their claims combined, and despite the fact that they have Aegon III and Viserys II, Aegon’s claim is still strong.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is what the succession should look like:

Aegon II—>Jaehaerys—>Maelor—>Aemond—>Daeron—>Rha*nyra—>Aegon III—>Viserys II—>Helaena—>Jaehaera—>Da*mon

Fans can scream about how Rha*nyra and the Blacks had more houses supporting them during the Dance (which realistically doesn’t make a lick of sense), but it doesn’t change the fact that Aegon has always had the stronger claim.

You can say that she was usurped all you want, but it doesn’t mean that Aegon didn’t have a claim to the throne. If anything, he had the strongest claim of them all.

And not only that, but Aegon had legitimate sons as his heirs, unlike Rha*nyra, who was trying to pass off her illegitimate bastard sons as her heirs, despite it being very illegal.

People say that Jace, Luke, and Joff were fighting for their claims when… they literally had no claims to begin with. They’re illegitimate bastards who shouldn’t be anywhere near the line of succession. Just because they have the last name Velaryon and Laenor “accepted” them, doesn’t suddenly make them legitimate.

That’s like that saying that because Joffrey, Myrcella, and Tommen had the last name Baratheon, it suddenly means they were Robert’s trueborn children, when we know they weren’t.

All in all, Vis*rys was the real reason for the Dance happening, all because he couldn’t make up his mind about the succession and was politically inept. And no, him marrying Laena wouldn’t have stopped the Dance from happening because there still would’ve been a chance that Laena birthed a son (or sons).

[faustinio27]

Aunt Faustine with her niece Hannah, daugther of Sebastian and Ida (@limonnitsa's OCs) 💙 She wants her to befriend Caligo, even if the little girl's a bit intimidated by this big creature 🥺

[lokisprettygirl]

The hypocrisy and change in stance as long as Daemon is being hurt is astounding, now blatant cheating is going to get justified by the shippers and haters alike. If the leaks are true, i won't be surprised to see people bending backwards to justify adultery, infidelity etc as they have been justifying sexual assault, mental manipulation, violence, jokes being made on his expense because hey It's Daemon afterall so he deserves it.

People of this generation are such a joke in the name of woke. It's not polygamy if one person is being cheated on and getting hurt, it's not bi rights for women if the woman is choosing to ruin the sanctity of the marriage and no Daemon won't feel proud of his wife for smooching his ex. I'm pretty sure those leaks are false but it has brought forward the thinking of some of the folks here who'd condemn a complex character for having a personality but would support their favourite as long as it's a woman.

[mmelolabelle]

IF Y’ALL HAD BOTHERED TO TALK AND SELF REFLECT, TAKE TIME TO CONSIDER THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR ACTIONS AT ANY POINT IN THE PAST TWENTY YEARS WE WOULD NOT BE IN THIS FUCKING MESS

Where was all this “who even am I?” energy, Aegon? Now we come up with elaborate plans to meet up with our ex-bff/gfs and talk things over? Alicent? Rhaenyra? Okay, so now’s the time to discover you have a working conscience, Daemon? Aemond? Why did we only begin to dabble in these activities after y’all had started murdering kids?

[bastardofharrenhal]

daemon is the most relatable character the entire targaryen dynasty not bc i want to fuck my niece or bc im a war criminal but bc i also have dreams that would put any other person on a suicide watchlist

[cornley-amateur-drama-society]

one o' these days i'll finish out my daemon au i prommy... i prommy...

[dirtytransmasc]

^^ screenshot. blends in on mobile/dark mode ^^

that wasn't why she was mad though, well it was and wasn't. it wasn't that she had sex necessarily, but more the weight and nuance of it all, of Rhaenyra being the princess, who Alicent had been trying her best to serve the best interest of and protect in terms of betrothals and Viserys, having sex in a very public place. she was clearly upset and holding back tears when she confronts Rhaenyra that first time, but she isn't especially angry. she's angry when Rhaenyra lied to her face on her dead mother's name, going so far as to act upset and offended Alicent could ever insinuate anything about her, played the victim, had sex with two separate people in one night and said she was still a maiden (from Alicent's perspective she couldn't have known Rhaenyra only tried to have sex with Daemon and was unsuccessful, she could only believe that she had sex with both Daemon and Criston), and then used her power to have her father (the only person Alicent had) banished from kings landing, all the while she had put her ass on the line for her in front of Viserys, who never believed Rhaenyra to begin with. it wasn't simply the fact that Rhaenyra had sex, she's mad because Rhaenyra used her, hurt her, did harm to her name and the work both she and Viserys had put towards giving her a choice no royal girl, especially a princess, could ever imagine, and she spit in their faces.

there's also the fact that Cole admitted IMMEDIATELY what had transpired, asked not for forgiveness but for death, and admitted that it was dubcon. it's a very different situation. she also sympathized with the fact he felt great remorse for both the act of sleeping with the princess but also his breakdown that lead to the murder of Joffery. all we see is her stopping him and then a near decade has passed and they are close friends, we know nothing of how this friendship evolved, when she fully forgave him for his acts, what it took for him to earn her trust and forgiveness.

not saying either of them are saintly and perfectly correct in that situation, but you boil it down to the point that the situation is unrecognizable. you ignored all of the nuance on both sides. Alicent was never mad about the sex, upset yes, mad no, she was mad at how Rhaenyra could hurt her so horribly (amongst many other things. I don't think she, someone who shared her grief with Rhaenyra over their dead mother's, could ever get over how Rhaenyra lied on her name. me personally? I'd be sick to my stomach every time I looked at her for the rest of my days). Cole was coerced into sex, which he was honest and seeked death for repentance, had a breakdown and murdered someone (I won't defend this, you can't, he did murder an innocent person, that is a fact) but felt so guilty he tried to kill himself and seemingly spent the last 10ish years making up for it (where as I can name multiple people Rhaenyra outright in level head and mind maimed/murdered/otherwise allowed or dismissed the deaths/injury of, for her own goals and didn't give a second thought to so.... girly walks atop barely cooled corpse's time and time again).

[damn-daemon]

Chapter Nine The Fangs Bared

“Do all Starks turn into mindless beasts come sundown, or is that trait reserved for you alone?”

The gods had a bitter sense of humor.

She turned to find Daemon lingering in the doorway, a smirk on his lips and fire in his eyes. He dare look at her that way when everything she’d worked toward was falling apart. Did he not know? Or was her failure what entertained him so? Of course that had to be the answer. Without his brother or Otto Hightower to turn his childishness toward, she alone was his source of amusement.

So be it then. But he would need to work for it.

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[addaerontruther]

*Demon escaped death and flew off with twu wuv Nettles*: 🤢 🤢🤢

*Daeron and Addam survived the fight against Vermithor and flew off together*: 😍😍😍

old man abandoning his distressed wife and four living children (5 if you count joffrey) to run off with a 16 year old: broke

two 16 year olds that (almost) gave everything to support their families deciding they aren't going to sacrifice the love that motivated them in the first place: woke

it's not even close tbh

[daemon-in-my-head]

Schrödinger's creature—I am what you want me to be and I'll be into what you want me to be. Just don't ask me to define that one further.