If you’re pro-birth and your argument is:
“ If you consent to sex, you consent to pregnancy.”
Before you run with it, know that this statement is a concept that invalidates your entire argument.
Your argument is inconceivable.
If it’s consent that you’re reducing pregnancy down to, I’d hope you’re of the logic that a pregnancy, as the result of non-consensual sex, aka rape, wasn’t consented to. Therefore, they should have the option to terminate.
Go back to sex-ed, read a biology book, and re-assess the legal system. And how society operates under a law that can ban someone’s right to govern their own body.
And hopefully that will make you question the overturn of Roe v Wade.
There is no consent to biological processes.
Especially pregnancy.
Pregnancy, as a consequence to sex(protected or not), or rape, is not something you choose to go to bed with.
Carrying and birthing a human has a profound effect on women, trans men, and non binary persons-with uteruses. Even if they decide not to become a parent or be pregnant.
There are no preventative measures for pregnancy that are 100% absolute in their efficacy. Hysterectomies, depending on location, expenses, and doctors, can be inaccessible.
And, not every one with a uterus wants to be cut open to have it removed.
Some people also have no choice but to consent to hysterectomies stemming from other health issues. Menstrual concerns, Ovarian cancer, ovarian cyst, vaginal haemorrhaging, even childbirth…etc.
Birth control pills are prescribed and not over the counter. Condoms, however, are situated right next to the shower gel, at my local Coles.
Birth control devices may even not be entirely effective. Nor, are they permanent. Some people’s bodies have, or may, reject/ed them and will result in a surgical removal of the BC device
Birth control can induce illness, physical and mental. The side effects can be so life altering that they have no choice but to go off of it. Suicide, self-harm, depression…etc.
Then of course, pro-lifers will use the argument for vaccine mandates. Which is a separate issue, but if you want some thoughts, here are mine.
I am pro-vax. Although, I have people in my life who aren’t. And, I respect their choice because I understand their reasons. It’s their body to govern and their health.
But, unlike Pregnancy, Vaccines-even when mandated- are a choice.
You’ll possibly be a carrier of a sickness that you’re asymptomatic to and believe your clean bill of health is a right to enter public spaces with vulnerable persons who may be immunocompromised…
But hey, that’s your choice. And I’ll respect that as your individual choice. I only hope you’ll be accountable for the implications it may have on others.
And some sacrifices will need to be made.
But don’t worry, you won’t be forced to give birth to a human being against your own will.
Think about this:
A government, of predominantly men, should never feel compelled to insert themselves into the Bodily autonomy of Civilians! They should exercise their power and authority to help improve healthcare, cost of living, and the judicial system…
Whether it’s vaccines, abortions, pregnancy, or healthcare in general.
The fact we have to pay thousands of dollars for medicine to be “healed”
The fact It costs hundreds and thousands of dollars to raise a family and sustain a livelihood.
The fact the US healthcare system is so fucked that you HAVE to pay thousands of dollars just to birth a baby, in an environment where medical assistance may be required!
The fact a young girl going through puberty can be impregnated by her Rapist…
A child will be forced to birth their sibling, cousin, aunt/uncle…
We don’t consent to pregnancy, because we cannot control whether we become pregnant or not.
And if we choose to permanently relinquish the possibility of pregnancy, it can be a laborious process involving many probable denials by healthcare professionals.
We don’t consent to miscarriage, stillbirth, illness, or other possible life-threatening effects from the cause of painful pregnancies.
We don’t consent to carrying foetuses with developed deformities that can kill them, and potentially us, to full term.
We don’t consent to facing heart failure, having doctors perform invasive and painful surgeries to open our vagina’s for the “crowning”, having our stomach cut open and our uterus aggressively tugged to remove a human;
Heart burn. Nausea. Vacuuming. Hair loss. Neuropathy. Vaginal tearing…I could go on. But I won’t.
I’m not a fear monger. I see the truth and I say it.
Pregnancy can’t be reduced down to an argument. It’s a reproductive process that involves creating, carrying, and delivery.
It’s an impressively massive biological process that we cannot control and we cannot consent to.
Although, one of the things we CAN consent to, that may result in pregnancy , you will weaponise against us. And it began when girls are told to dress a certain way, behave a certain way. They’re told not to chase boys and then in the same breath told “ say yes, it won’t hurt. He seems like a nice guy.”…
Say it: “Abortions are for sluts. Only sluts get abortions.”
“We shouldn’t be raising our daughters to be sluts.”
A ten year old girl, from Ohio, is not a slut because she had to travel to another state to legally terminate a pregnancy as the result of a rape…
She’s a child. She’s scared. She’s traumatised. She’s an innocent. She’s a victim. She’s a survivor. She did not deserve this…
And I hope the perpetrator is held in contempt with a fury, from the court, that they will exercise in a manner which will make them reconsider the entire fuckery of the other possible tragedies that could’ve followed had that girl’s guardians not taken drastic measures to seek a safe abortion for her.
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There are laws of consent here in Australia.
Laws that will protect people in retracting consent, or giving consent if they were intoxicated or drugged…
“ No means No.”
So, if it’s consent you’re arguing…
Maybe you need to direct your attention to Rape culture. That’s something that needs your attention and energy, regarding consent, not pregnancy!!!!
So, I’ll respect your right to choose whether or not to be vaccinated. If you choose to respect that uteruses belong to people, and those people have the right to decide whether or not they want to pro-create with it.
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I know that I've mentioned several times how I had to go through a period of relearning once I got out of the religious environment in which I'd been raised, and like... A lot of the things I had to research and learn about all over again were fairly obvious, like climate change. My parents and teachers told me that man-made climate change wasn't real, so I believed them. Once I got to college, I realized that I'd been misled, and I had to relearn the whole topic.
But not all of these things were obvious! I went through this period where I didn't even know what part of my education I should be questioning. Like... what do I even research?? Do I actually understand weather? What about history?
One of the reasons I bring up history is because one of the things my parents told me wasn't real was radiocarbon dating. And I don't just mean "well, these are estimations, can't be used for precise dates, and might be somewhat off due to atmospheric conditions." I got the whole "well, this is unprovable* and goes against the history the Bible gives us so you shouldn't trust carbon dating at all."
(*I was taught that anything that wasn't like... observable in real-time was not provable.)
Let's just say... a lot of my childhood was adults around me hedging their bets like "I'm not saying this is fake, I'm just saying it can't be proven and they're asking us to take this hypothesis as fact! I'm just saying you should question things! And not believe those liberal scientists!"
(carbon dating, evolution, the big bang/quantum physics, whether humans and dinosaurs coexisted, climate change, how hiv works, etc.)
And uhhh I went into archaeology (among other things) when I first started college, so you can imagine how this impeded my studies. lmao
idk, I guess I'm not going anywhere in particular with this. I was just listening to a podcast that's currently talking about the paleolithic period and I still had a gut instinctual reaction of "well, you don't know these things are that old" that I had to squash like a fucking bug.
I definitely understand exactly how the "it's good to be curious and read sources critically" to "question everyone, especially experts" to "those liberal scientists are trying to trick you" to "fake news!!" pipeline comes about. ;;
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holy fucking shit i am losing my mind over the hbomberguy vaccine video
(yes i know it came out almost 2 years ago i only just got into his stuff alright)
like i knew andrew wakefield's original study was bullshit; when i did a module on autism in undergrad, one of the first things my professor said was that this study was bullshit—it was only done on 12 kids, he owned the patent for the seperate vaccines, it was later retracted for being total bullshit and wakefield wankfield lost his medical license; HE IS NO LONGER A DOCTOR
we were not told:
the study didn’t even FIND anything!! even after wankfield tweaked data, lied about what parents said, his conclusions were that he hadn’t found any actual evidence BUT he really thought there might be a link between the MMR vaccine and autism
(that, for those of you not in the know, is not how academia works, you need evidence)
some of the children in the study weren’t even autistic
of those 12 children, only about half of the parents were reported as saying they thought the MMR vaccine caused their kid’s autism (BASED OFF NOTHING BUT SPECULATION, I MIGHT ADD) and at least one of the fathers has said that wankfield straight-up lied about him saying that
wankfield was hired by a lawyer to ‘‘‘find’’’ evidence of autism so that lawyer could launch a class action lawsuit on behalf of like, 12 parents who thought their kids’ autism was caused by their MMR vaccinations
in the same journal edition the original paper was published, there was another paper by other doctors saying that wankfield’s assertions seemed deeply fishy
the parents were not able to give informed consent to their kids’ medical examinations because wankfield didn't list the risks of the procedures on the ‘consent’ forms
let me say that again
the parents were not able to give informed consent to their kids’ medical examinations because wankfield didn't list the risks of the procedures on the ‘consent’ forms
honestly, if you haven’t already, you should probably just watch HBomberGuy’s video. he cites all of his sources and there is so much more insane stuff i’m not even getting into here
but like, i get parents being scared of medical stuff they don’t fully understand, i get wanting nothing but the best for your kid because they’re your kid and you want to protect them, that is a noble and reasonable thing to want to do!!
however. the SLIGHTEST glimpse at this ‘‘‘study’’’ and it becomes painfully, dangerously clear that there is no and indeed never has been any link between vaccines and autism. by refusing to vaccinate your children, you are actually putting them at more risk and in more danger.
if there’s one thing people need to understand about vaccines, it’s that they weren’t created on a whim. measles, tetanus, polio, mumps, rubella, used to KILL hundreds if not thousands of people a year:
the vaccination rate in france for measles fell below 90% around 2008 and it caused an outbreak in the population that killed at least 10 people
the effects of long-COVID are only just becoming apparent, and even young and healthy people are getting seriously harmed by infection
herd immunity is about 95% vaccination in the population, and it is so, so crucially important that everyone who can get vaccinated does get vaccinated, because people with weakened immune systems (like very young or old people, or people undergoing chemotherapy) will be relying on herd immunity to stay safe. so it isn’t just your kid you’re putting at more risk, but other people’s kids, too
and, also, one final lil’ note:
EVEN IF VACCINES DID CAUSE AUTISM (and they don’t) IT IS MUCH BETTER FOR YOUR CHILD TO BE AUTISTIC THAN TO BE KILLED BY A COMPLETELY PREVENTABLE DISEASE
other informative links in addition to HBomberGuy's video below the cut:
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