#proshipper discourse

[eqho]

I think one of the reasons so many antis hate on incest, pedophilia, noncon, etc in fiction but not murder or gore is really because of how desensitized we all are to it. like, you never see people going out of their way to harass some author for making a book that is even remotely sexual or romantic and pertaining to the topic of murder. but the second it's pedophilia or something taboo, it's an issue. it feels like for them it's not just fear of the unknown, but how desensitized they are. pedophilia, rape, etc are rarely discussed online and in real life. people make murder jokes, watch movies with murder (and variants), see murder on the news, etc. but no one is used to incest or stuff similar. discussing such taboo topics, whether it's in real life or fiction, is frowned upon and people avoid these discussions because they make them uncomfortable. why? not really sure.

also, calling them antis feels wrong bc it makes it sound like a whole like.. war we got going on. they're not 'antis' and I feel like proshipper is a term to describe a normal user who doesn't harass people over such miniscule things like fiction. you're not an 'anti,' you're a weirdo that harasses people online over fiction. stop giving yourself some label like you have any significance or superiority in this community. though, at this point, it seems Iike antis ARE apart of this community. we don't even call them anti proship, they're just called antis and we all know what they mean. they have tags, and frequently argue and debate with us. I don't even think we'd be called what we're called if antis didn't exist. "darkshipper" a normal person who just ships things they like. like why do we have these names. I still use them but yk.

[sugarloom]

How it feels being proship while antis argue over whether or not shipping found family with each other is problematic:

[autistichalsin]

The fact that antis always use "go tell your parents/boss/coworkers what gross fiction you read if you think it's normal!" as a gotcha in arguments always amuses me so much. Like babe YOU just admitted that YOU have no concept of having different boundaries with different people, you don't think there should be a clear delineation between professional and personal affairs, but you think I'M the weird one?

[eqho]

The day many antis without any proof to support their claims stop spreading misinformation is the day my soul will rest.

Also, so sorry if you don't want proshippers interacting, I can delete this if you'd like!

A professional is not unqualified for recommending proshipping as a coping mechanism, being neutral on it, or encouraging it. Also, I'll refer to it as darkshipping because that's the correct term. Just because darkshipping has the potential of causing negative feedback from certain groups of people, does not mean it's inherently harmful. That's WHY adults who are literal professionals recommend it. I'm not trying to appeal to authority, because anyone can be wrong. But trust me, fiction is the least of a therapists concerns.

Again, don't wanna be that guy, but it's just fiction. Yes, a topic which is problematic irl CAN affect you, if it triggers you and makes you uncomfortable. But saying that it's inherently harmful because it upsets a select few is a blanket statement and literally blatantly wrong. Coping mechanisms CAN be harmful, but in this case it's not. The average licensed professional would agree that what is harmful to one person is not harmful to another. Darkshipping can make some triggered or uncomfortable, but it doesn't mean it makes everyone triggered. People use it as a coping mechanism BECAUSE it helps. This is literally WHY people have kinks related to their trauma. It helps them process their trauma better by projecting it and revisiting the situation from a different perspective, and regain control, too. Even not using it to cope, literally just block the damn tag /lh.

This is not to argue! I want a respectful conversation (/nf), not a heated argument. You can debate without being rude! Also, plz provide proof for ur statements! :D

And, this isn't darkship but I'd say it's even MORE than just projecting onto fictional characters, A LOT of perisex afab women (since the survey was only interviewing cis women) have rape fantasies and kinks, specifically due to trauma. This is my example of processing trauma through kink and ships. Projecting onto a character can also feel like sharing an experience with a character you like, which can provide a sense of comfort when safe spaces don't provide that. But then again, you should be able to ship no matter what.

- a frequent psychology studier, like OP! :333

Btw sorry if I sounds like I'm being condescending, I know you study psychology and I'm sure you're also well educated!

A few sources (not IP grabbers, but feel free to search them up!)

https://www.modernintimacy.com/kink-and-trauma-the-psychology-of-pleasure-and-pain/

https://www.marrinc.org/how-sexual-fantasies-can-connect-to-our-traumatic-past/#:~:text=To%20treat%20these%20deeply%20held,%E2%80%9Cenough%E2%80%9D%20to%20handle%20life.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mandarinmama.com/rf-kuang-projecting-trauma/%3famp=1

(Sorry I couldn't find any proship articles! No one really covers it lol)

P.S. btw I am a bit sad to see an anarchist being anti-proship, since we're inherently anti-censorship but pity isn't needed or asked for

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First post.

Well its not for a fact only 12 year old who agree its an unhealthy coping mechanism as many certified therapist and psychologist agree its generally harmful and unsafe.

While it usually depends on the person most therapist have an agreement it is often an unsafe situation. While yes there are a few therapist that say its perfectly fine, there are also theres also therapist who tell patients with insomnia to give themselves a sugar rush to crash. There will be crappy spots in all fields a few therapist saying its alright while a majority of the rest agree it isn't doesn't make it safe and non harmful.

Second post.

Sorta following my last sentence.

Just because there are a few therapist who were wrongfully qualified agree its safe and not harmful doesn't make it not a majority of therapist have a common agreement it is generally harmful and unsafe.

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There is a multitude of safer coping mechanisms that can be used.

[badantitakes]

antis: our community actually cares about victims

Anti community when they see a victim who copes in a different way:

Yet these people still want to call themselves normal? Sure.... sure....

[muwwwsky]

no way

[purpleblanketz]

It's important to recognize that proshippers can be predators. An adult sending art of an age gap ship to a minor in order to groom them into a relationship is not unheard of. It is a very real grooming tactic online. Of course, enjoying darkships doesn't instantly mean someone is a predator- but implying that darkship art can't ever be used as a grooming tactic isn't helpful. Predators are in every online space, and it's important to recognize and watch out for the signs. Proshippers are not predators, but some predators are proship.

[eqho]

"shipping incest is bad bc irl incest is bad cuz ummm ur kids become disabled!!"

big red buzzer

incest irl and online is ok as long as it's consensual. btw ur one word away from being a eugenicist if u think certain people should not be allowed to have kids just bc the kids will become disabled

[whatyouredyingtosee]

Hey gentle reminder that you can ignore those "Reblog! If you don't you're [extremely upsetting label here]" posts. You should ignore them, btw. You don't suddenly become a racist because you ignored someone trying to farm interaction, you don't become homophobic because you felt bad about exposing your followers and friends to that, you don't become a bigot because of other people trying to guilt trip you.

If you're not purposely causing harm to minority groups or hold bigoted beliefs, you don't suddenly become a bigot because you ignored someone being an ass. You're allowed to ignore guilt tripping messages and if someone gets irritated at you for ignoring them, tell them to get a grip. 🫂

Likewise, you're allowed to ignore:

Guilt tripping spam asks.

Scam asks.

"Reblog if your account is [group] safe!" posts

"If you don't reblog, I'm going to assume you're a [insert term here]" posts

"People are dying, you can spare some time to reblog" posts

Posts that show actual pictures of real life tragedy with the intent of hoping you spread it across the platform.

"How dare you donate to Ao3/Wikipedia when there's [insert other tragedies here] going on!" posts

Posts that imply that you shouldn't have a safe space and that it's cruel to have your account be a safe space.

Posts that say you shouldn't be happy while there's tragedies going on in the real world.

At the end of the day, 90% of those posts use the "other people have it worse" mindset and that ISN'T HEALTHY. You don't tell someone that's happy they aren't allowed to be happy because someone else is happier than them at the moment, so don't do it for pain and suffering.

Anyway, I suggest you block the people that make guilt tripping posts. Better for your mindset in the long run and people need to realize they can get their point across without triggering people's OCD/thought spirals.

[el-sandwich-de-geto]

i miss when people could just dislike things without somehow making it a sociopolitical statement.

it's never "i just don't like that show/comic/movie/manga/anime, i think it sucks".

now it's gotta have some deep reason tied to your personal lore or identity or wtv the fuck. essay youtubers are the worst at this.

at this point i just don't bother to read/watch any critiques of anything anymore, i hate having to click out of a vid midway, wasting 15 minutes of my time because you bring out some bullshit looney excuse like "that anime is misogynistic because the protag has her titties out" or wtv.

just say you don't like titties and move on, man, it's not the activism you think it is.

[poppytommy]

proship on an adult website : ok TRIGGER WARNING!!!! INCEST PEDOPHILIA TOXIC!!! THIS IS NEVER OKAY IN REAL LIFE!!!! NO MATTER WHAT!!! DO NOT PARTAKE IN THOS!!! THIS IS BAD!!! IF UR UNDERAGE FUCK OFF THIS ISNT FOR YOU!!!! STAY SAFE!!!!! AGAIN THIS IS A FETISH DO NOT LOOK AT THIS IF YOU ARE UNDERAGE!!!

anti on youtube shorts and tiktok who had a primarily child audience : guys look at this artist theyre a proshipper!!!! fixing proshipper art!!! *shows barely censored porn*

[andthelaw]

Normalize not liking things for no reason or for stupid reasons.

Normalize disliking things others like and still treating them (the person and the thing in question) with respect.

Normalize not having an opinion on things.

Normalize not knowing things and asking others about them.

Normalize doing research.

Normalize disagreeing with your friends' tastes.

Normalize having mixed feelings about things.

Normalize being proud and loud about things you're into.

Normalize trying to emphasize with those you have opposing views with.

If something doesn't HURT anyone

It's okay.

We're only human!

We are not perfect and nobody should expect us to be.

Allow yourself to be you and let others be themselves.

[stply]

antis: yeah i can agree it's wrong to generalize a group of people based on the actions of a few! that's the type of ideology that bigots use to justify their actions and it's just so horrible and wrong!

also antis the moment a single darkshipper is genuinely a bad person: wow this just proves my point about all "proshitters" being "pdf files"! "unalive" all "proshitters"!!! the only good "pdf" is an "unalived" "pdf"!!!! stop "normalizing" "🍇" you degenerates!!!!

[badantitakes]

Anti admits to wanting to write actual CSAM.

We know what you are....

[muwwwsky]

you know i would rather trust an adult proshipper with "disgusting" and "weird" kinks who clearly knows the difference between fiction and reality and not allowing minors to interact with them than an adult antis who stalks minors with rape and death threats because of fictional characters

[internally-weird]

some anti on tiktok: hey guys just so you know 🌺💞 is a proshit combo for mom x daughter, 🐺🍡 means adult x child and 🦷🧠 is cannibalism kink!!

other antis in the comments: omg thank you!! now i know who to block

proshippers who have never seen those combos in their lives: what