#richonne and syd x carmy

[thoughtfulchaos773]

Redefining Family through partnerships: Grimes and Berzattos 2.0

Something I remembered about Rick and Michonne ship from The Walking Dead's slow burn that confirmed it was endgame, for me at least - it was how heavily involved Michonne was with the Grimes family.

Michonne played an important role in the family and there were small moments that showed she healed The Grimes of their grief and vice versa. Sound familiar? Rick lost his wife and his partner . (Side note but the 'lack' of romance but partnerships is heavy in the bear and I gotta talk about that later)

But anyway, Rick lost his wife and partner and Michonne lost her son and partner. They became the missing piece in each others lives.

They didnt just fulfill the absent roles but Michonne and Rick redefined their sense of family from what was broken before. With this new family, communication was better, they actually talked out their problems. It became the partnership Rick didn't have with Shane, and michonne's closeness to carl fulfilled what could have been with her son.

This reminds me of Syd and her involvement with the Berzatto family. Like michonne, she unintentionally heals this broken family just by being herself. Syd helps heal the chaos in The Beef restaurant season 1. She meets the needs of Natalie by checking up on her, and she holds Richie accountable and sees through his bullshit. Syd holds Carmy to a standard where they can let go of the toxicity and redefine their family to a more forgiving and functional place to work.

One of the many problems with the Berzattos is not checking in on each other. Not communicating their needs. The choice to isolate is easier. They can't let go of the past. Unresolved emotional experiences. Unfortunately Mike succumbed to these issues so Carmy lost his best friend and partner.

Syd is the only child. She doesn't know what it's like to have a sister, and she doesn't have a big family like Carmy. She's never had a partner.

With the Berzattos 2.0, there's peace even when there's conflict. There's forgiveness. Syd and Carmy are partners (and will be in every sense of the word in later seasons)

This confirms the ship for me. Why take this time for Syd to interact with the members of The Berzattos and confirm she's now family?

Because this show amongst many things is about family. The Berzattos 2.0 redefine what family could be outside the trauma and dysfunction.

[xblackreader]

They were insane, for this.

[unladyboss]

Marketing: SEASON 3 THE BEAR

You know that thing that

THEY DO

And THEY DO?

Imma need THEM to lean into doing that...

Unless that's gonna cause some problems.

But I can't think of ANY...

[ambelle]

Seems this is relevant once again...

[imliterallyjustablackgirl]

I can't read Rick and Carmy's Y/N because I cannot imagine anyone else for them, plus sometimes the writer inconscienly write Y/N like Michonne or Sydney, which is funny 😌. Whispering love confessions? Hello? Both of em.

[laryssamedeirss]

I had never seen anything about Rick and Michonne before bc i didnt watch TWD, but i just decided to see their first kiss and man... i think im gonna have to watch the entire series or at least watch their whole story. Also i want to understand the parallels ive seen people make between them and SydCarmy

[ciaomarie]

I belong to a The Bear fan Facebook group (I know, I'm actually still on there), and those ninnies are STILL on "Nothing needs to happen between Syd x Carmy, what a cliche". Mind you, the group is barely active, like 1 post a day, but anti-shipping this "platonic" relationship still drives comments and likes. I posted a picture of Ayo's Vanity Fair shoot with the excerpts she and Jeremt said about each other. I'm hoping to softly promote Ayo/Sydney because she's truly one of the best woman characters on TV. Anyways, Chris and Joana, please, please make the haters/possible racists spit blood by the end of S3. I don't even need Sydcarmy together yet, but a confession/grand gesture that can't be explained as non-romantic is necessary!! Were they doing this with Richonne? I wasn't there. TWD is too scary for me 😆

[gingerylangylang1979]

This shit is not new

This is in response to the multiple posts right now about the recent articles that have come out and just general angst about this ship in the media.

This really isn't new. It's not unique to The Bear. It's not unique to Carmy x Sydney. It's not unique to slow burns.

I do think Mulder x Scully is the best example. Why? They are the ship that modernized shipping. The terms shipping, noromo, etc. come from that ship. They pioneered the modern "why can't men and women just be friends", "platonic soulmate", "it would cheapen the show", "the show isn't about romance" arguments.

Syd x Carmy are like Mulder x Scully 2.0 (with a slightly different flavor that I will get to). The X-Files was a huge sleeper hit with a cult following. From the first episode there was speculation about romance and people raging against it. The question was brought up in every interview and denied by the show runner. The intensity kept developing until finally they went canon. And then, only then, did the show runner change tune. Shippers felt they were being persecuted for even mentioning the ship. It was super intense.

I watched the show as a teen. I low key did ship them but wasn't involved in fandom so I wasn't aware of the shenanigans. But I know all of this from first hand accounts.

And here's receipts from media:

So, I know a big element is missing in this comparison. The race element is at play here. I'm not denying that. But I will say, I started with this example just to show it isn't just interracial couples that get this backlash. I could also mention Ted x Rebecca, but I don't think I need to go into them because they are current. Mulder x Scully started this and history is important.

I do think there is a special flavor of dislike for this ship because of race. I've spoken on it. The unwarranted hate for Sydney can't be ignored. The same has happened with Richonne, Ichabbie, etc. No denial here. But if you look at the overall history of shipping what we are seeing specific to media denial, media scrutiny, antis, denial of the ship until the very end, gaslighting, etc. is slow burn and shipping war 101.

There is no agenda from cast and crew to stick it to us. Their agenda is to maintain the element of surprise and tell the story they want to tell. There is no agenda from the media to do anything but get a story that gets clicks. There is no special denial of a romance unique to this one.

This is just how a slow burn plays out.

There are no slow burns that went canon and the show runner said, oh yeah, this is the plan before the end. If there is tell me, and I'll gladly correct. But, that just isn't reality. They will say the same thing every season until it happens, no matter what happens on screen in the meantime. And there is always some lame statement made about why they "suddenly" decided to make it a thing or a lame admission that it was planned. So basically, they lie. The lies may seem cruel but it's not personal. It's not some secret agenda to deny your fave romance and happiness. It's just showbiz.

All of this can feel personal in relation to the extent a fan is personally invested. And I think that's up to each person to decide if their investment is creating too high an expectation and too much drama for regarding fictional characters on a tv show. That's not on media. It's not on the actor, creators, journalists, etc. to determine and protect a fan's level of investment or engagement. Nobody has to read the articles. Nobody has to devote their time to fandom. It's a choice. And part of that, may be understanding that all of the media around a ship isn't going to cater to what you want or see and making decisions on what you see is the healthiest, most enjoyable way to engage or not.

Because feelings have been hurt, arguments have raged, lies have been told in fandom and media and it's not new, it's not personal. It just is what it is.

Mulder x Scully walked so Carmy x Sydney can run.

[nyikondlovu]

Me: *starts new show*

Me: oh hey they’ve got good chemistry and she’s a black woman…what if-?

Brain: NO YOU CANT HAVE ANOTHER NEW SHIP WE’RE RUNNING OUT OF ROOM FOR HYPERFIXATIONS HERE!

Me: yeah, that’s my show ship sorry🫶🏾

(This is about Sydney and Carmy from The Bear but honestly any other show I watch too)

(Also, Like I’m a literal clown because Ayo and Jeremy both said there was no romantic undertones but I’m choosing to ignore that because EYE know better😌

Never mind saw season two, they’re in love)