Stable Diffusion XDL 1.0 - Finally figuring it out... And my god is is it beautiful...
High config - 30-40 cfg on Euler A whenever I'm using a longer prompt, and all the Haziness disappeared and amazing detailed beauty came into focus! Idk, didn't read about High cfg working this for anyone, it was always 7.5 plus + - 1 or 2.
Then I went for a High resolution - 2048 x 2048, can push it a bit higher using an API on Replicate. The results I'm getting back are....Shockingly impressive. Magical. It's a mess, no doubt about it, a chaotic mess of beauty more often than not tho!! The grandiose effect achieved through the like this wild force that needs very close guidance to direct it closer to what you had in mind at the start.
The repetition that occurs in it, likely occuring from the training data being ebtirely 1024 x 1024 resolution images, so a 2048 x 2048 is 4 images converted into one, and it does so well! Sometimes. Repetitious patterns get a bit much in a lot of them - High Resolution are unstable in many ways like that, But the glory to had!! And large API monthly bills...but the glory!!! That it can cohere together despite being so massive....something else...Interesting stuff!!!!!
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Stable diffusion back to intro... csak ez #SDXL
A Stable Diffusion fejlesztésének új állomása az XL verzió, mely minden eddiginél jobb képeket csinál. Kipróbáltam én is a régi mágusos prompttal, és hát hasonlóan elégedett vagyok az eredménnyel, mint sokan mások:
Természetesen mindegyik képnél a Cinematic stílus lett megadva, de lássuk, milyen, ha Fantasy Art a stílus?
Bár az 1.5-ös verzióval pont az volt a bajom, hogy ha nem adok meg stílust, akkor össze-vissza kapok eredményt, legyen az közeli vagy távoli... de itt úgy látom, egészen precízen követi a promptot, és nem csapong. Az viszont már egészen elképesztő, hogy hasonló arcokat látok, nem pedig különbözőeket.
De lássuk, mi van, ha nem adok meg stílust?
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Right, never thought I had to make one of these callouts in my entire time of using social media, but unfortunately due to the seriousness of the subject matter at hand, I have to get this out here to prevent more people being mislead.
Now for a lot of people who follow artist Tumblr might be aware of this one thread circulating in regards to people using Glaze & Nightshade in response to the recent updates made to Tumblr's data services. With the posting in question, @ reachartwork discouraging use of it and presenting an argument for it.
Now unlike most other people, I can tell how off their argument is as it lacked the nuance of how these programs worked and talked about it in a way that came off more enthusiastic, despite their claims of having sympathies people trying to protect themselves.
It's only until I took one little look at their blog and knew what was up, and their later behaviour proved my suspicions.
Now to get this right off the bat, I do apologise for whatever misgendering I exhibited as I didn't notice that about them, nor am I justifying this callout to harass them.
So please don't
Rather, it's to be weary of this user, and how you really shouldn't be sleeping on these programs.
Now as the original featured, it went out in presenting their argument as followed:
As you can notice in the thread, it's providing very little evidence of their findings of its supposed workings without proper sources, while trying to show ways to work around it (again, enthusiastically mind you).
And yet as you notice, they didn't bother providing an alternative way to combat this scalping situation everyone is in, especially with how replies have been of users expressing their grievances over this.
You'll think that maybe you should have added something to help others or worded themselves in a more sympathetic manner?
But that's when I checked into their profile and knew what seems to be up,
They're into this tech.
I knew this was clear propaganda, why would somebody who is invested into generative tech try and discourage methods in protecting others of data scalping?
Like I'm sorry but you can't be somebody who claims to be sympathetic about the whole power imbalance this whole field is causing, yet enthusiastically be into this tech. Those mixture of ideologies just do not match.
There's no such thing as "ethical AI use" for this tech.
Now upon knowing many were falling prey to this nonsense, I had to step in and present my own counter arguments and why they are so wrong. Both programs Q&A (along with demonstrations of it acting as written) thay explains the inner workings of it as thoroughly as possible:
https://nightshade.cs.uchicago.edu/whatis.html
(Paper is in QA)
https://people.cs.uchicago.edu/~ravenben/publications/pdf/glaze-usenix23.pdf
https://twitter.com/zer0int1/status/1749574897179742353
Now comes the part when things get more heated
After I posted my retort, this is the response I got:
A) Again, while I didn't intend disrespect for their gender, "AI-bro" has literally become a catch-all for us who are against the very people who are engaged in this field
B) Since when in my original argument that I did try to villainize the entirety of programmers in general? My wording was superficially against those in that field of ML tech who are for this tech.
C) Trying to spin my own findings with proper context and immaturely handwave it by boiling it down as me going "nuh uh" is making you look childish, the info I provided literally explains the very points they argued.
D) Reason I blocked them straight away is because I knew a lot of these pro-AI tend to be very combative when it comes to criticism, I felt it in my gut that they were going to do so first. And later on other factors of their character proved my point.
Like I'm sorry, you really think me not having a degree of X matter is somehow making me a worst person and that I shouldn't be allowed to voice criticism of something?
Just because somebody is in the field of something, doesn't automatically mean they have the best interests to heart.
And here's my confirmation that like a lot of these AI enthusiasts, they're very sensitive & combative.
Now not too long, I decided to try to reblog my argument on another reblog of the artist @ Kang-Bang as they have a bigger artist presence, while they fortunately did realize what the OP they were quickly blocked upon reblogging my own post:
But it wasn't that confirmed that behaviour.
I found out through a conversation I had with somebody on the server of artist-rights advocate Zakugu Mignon, that this individual had a similar encounter with this user a year ago on Twitter (I'm Hollow btw);
And here's the conversation this person had that led to this similar experience:
https://twitter.com/Acfusi/status/1691261322988527617
Notice a familiar pattern of behaviour?
The unfortunate pattern behaviour that these pro-AI types are once again present.
It's always trying to justify the usage of this succeeding.
Now look, I'm not against the idea of the physical unabled being given the ability to produce creations of their own with the help technology means nor do I think that Artificial Intelligence is inherently bad.
But this generative tech is just doing it all the wrong way.
It's by all intentions & purposes, displace hard working people as cheaply and quickly as they can.
It has unfortunately happened to certain working sectors such as journalism, advertisement and translations as we speak.
Now on the topic of whether or not you use Glaze or Nightshade.
Please don't drop it
Now yes it's not a panchea for the societal problems we're currently facing.
But you shouldn't just leave whatever you post online out in the open without any forms of protection is not the wisest route to take.
As the Q&A already shown, it at least offers some way to ensure a means of sabotage data scalping.
There are still many other creatives and general users utilizing these programs for good reason, and WHY they're desperate for a means of protection.
https://www.tumblr.com/astraskylark/741393628982886400?source=share
https://www.tumblr.com/leahfrog/743484550954598400/theres-also-nightshade-if-you-havent-heard?source=share
https://www.tumblr.com/thetreetopinn/738157011350470656/ill-say-what-ive-said-in-the-past-ai-art-can-be?source=share
https://www.tumblr.com/in-ravenlight/743565614387494913?source=share
https://www.tumblr.com/luimnigh/743036171813273600/what-is-this-about-the-tumblr-staff-wanting-to?source=share
https://www.tumblr.com/taikova/738369881482919936?source=share
Yes, I understand there's some skepticism going around and we're all frightfully confused about what to do in these uncertain times.
But please.
Don't skim out on a solution to offer some forms of protection.
Having a little protection is better than having none.
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*thousand yard stare at the frozen and helsa fandom for churning out AI art crap*
Please cut that shit out. I’m begging you. You are ruining search engines and clogging up the tags. The fun novelty of creating images from stolen data is making our lives as artists harder than they should be. It’s discrediting the labor that sustains our livelihood and it does not come without a cost; just creating one image can use much energy as charging your phone, and from this MIT report, “Generating 1,000 images with a powerful AI model, such as Stable Diffusion XL, is responsible for roughly as much carbon dioxide as driving the equivalent of 4.1 miles in an average gasoline-powered car.” Now multiply that by the thousands of people who think this is okay. It’s wasting power and increasing carbon emissions on top of every other factor that’s ruining the environment.
Listen, novelty is fun. Before I knew more about it, I tried it out myself and initially I thought it could be useful, but as always, there is no free lunch. There is a cost to doing this and it is a detriment to our society and ecosystem. Jobs are at stake here and this tool is plagiarizing off the backs of hardworking creatives and other members of the labor force.
Please stop using AI, or at least try to use it more conservatively. Thank you.
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