#starco is canon

[holeyshirtwhoa]

how m/f pairings should be written V.S how they shouldn't-

[awesome-normal-heroes]

Star and Marco...

They're no Kim and Ron...

[unicornlovers10]

If a ship has their most important development off screen (or off page), possibly through the use of timeskips, then it's a terrible ship. As the ship is unearned, through the perspective of the reader/viewer.

(Lunter Shippers DNI)

[cryptidcalling]

I've been watching Star VS. and I'm honestly so happy they did an episode really ackgnowleding how Tom has been trying to be better. Even from the very first time we meet him he's got professionals and coping mechanisms to try and control his anger. Of course, the flaw is that he's doing that for someone else, trying to get Star to date him again. But still, he's basically 14 and trying to mage genuine, actual improvements with his anger issues.

Now don't get me wrong, Star doesn't owe him anything. If you have a shitty ex you don't owe them forgiveness even when they're trying to be better. You can appreciate what they're doing/be glad they're working on themselves and that still doesn't mean you owe them forgiveness or need to let them back into your life. But it's just really nice to see the show giving Tom actual appreciation for his efforts and growth. The fact that he still keeps trying to be better even when he's accepted that Star isn't interested in him shows how genuine his efforts and intentions are and I think that's such a nice thing to show your young audience. EDIT: I've read a few posts about them dating again and. I am not looking forward to that. Sounds like three simultanious character assassinations are coming up -_- (Currently mid season 3)

[chaifootsteps]

I know Viv gets dinged a lot for impatience and wanting to skip to the good stuff, but it's so odd to me cause it still feels like it's taking forever for stol1tz to go anywhere

they had a fight in Ozzie's, ignored it totally when the show finally returned from hiatus and then it didn't come up in season 2 at all until a blink and you miss it text message

then it was another 4 long episodes until they had a fight

and the episode after that it already feels like they're just having the same argument over and over again that goes like this:

BLITZ: You look down on me!

STOLAS: Shock! Gasp! This is the first time I'm hearing you don't like how I treat you. Also you're wrong. And you made me feel bad so you should apologize. God Blitzo, why can't you just apologize?

BLITZ: Sorry

STOLAS: And you didn't even bring roses!

and more than that, for a show so fixated on shipping there's so little real affection between the two leads? there's just nothing to make gifs out of outside of, what? Blitzo in chains and the two of them making out at the end of truth seekers? it's not exactly the kind of ship you can make a cute AMV over, is what I'm saying

Fans hated SVTFOE for fixating on its ship but at least Starco had fun conversations and chemistry. There's a reason the fandom were so certain those two would become a couple. with stol1tz I don't see it at all

For real. Even if you wanted to ship it, even if you loved it, there's just...nothing. They've never once, not in all their adult lives, been shown having a fun conversation or a nonsexual moment in which they were mutually enjoying one another's company.

Speaking personally? My most ridiculous, out there, "listen up because I need to explain this one" ship is Crypt Keeper/Vault Keeper, a noncanon ship between two characters who do literally nothing but bicker and share less than ten minutes screentime total, and they have more canonical, on-screen affection than Blitzo and Stolas do.

[shipperofcartooncouples]

So...for this wednesday we gonna have a "DTVA couple fight", I saw by a post on X that there's canon couples, like Lumity and Starco...anyway, nothing can convince me otherwise that this ep can't have non-canon or semi-canon couples! LET'S HOPE PERRYSHMIRTZ WILL DO AN APPEARENCE AGAIN THIS WEEK!

Dan please make it true...

[punkeropercyjackson]

This collage i found on pinterest is still the funniest fucking shit ever.This is literally fandom's idea of good m/f ships vs legit queer-coded and autistic4autistic m/f ships.Ojitooru vs Todomomo,Shikatema vs Naruhina,Sukka vs Kataang,Shallura vs Allurance,Adrienette vs Lukanette,Flynn and Rapunzel vs Tianaveen,Dickbabs vs Dickkory,Lunter vs Huntlow,Percabeth vs Percy with like every other girl his age,Starco vs Tomco.You can FEEL when they decided to make Gwen canonically trans and bring Hobie in I'M SCREAMINGHSJSHDJDJG

[softcocoa]

hi hope you're well, I've been following you ever since you used to draw saiou art and I hope you don't take this the wrong way but do you have any reasons why you ship radioapple? I'm just curious, I'm not trying to be rude or anything

HELLO no youre not being rude dw and i still love saiou so much so hi (^:

Mmmm most of the times i love ships that i can defend with my whole being, tell you reasons why they are real and should be canon, get you different screenshots of romantic moments they had to back me up (saiou onesided, mitsukou, starco, bubbline, etc etc all the ships i have on this account) and that makes the work easier when talking about reasons why i ship them!

And sometimes. I just am in a silly goofy mood.

hehe radioapple cute

[incorrectlumityquotes]

Lumity Episode Master List

Well, this is it gang. It's over. The Owl House is finished. Part of me will always be bitter about Disney gutting season three.

BUT at the same time, part of me is glad that The Owl House is over. Because that means lumity is canon forever and nobody can change that. What's that Disney? You don't like the gay? Well too bad. The only way you can change it is to make more episodes which I know you're not gonna do.

Nana-nana, boo-boo. Stick your head in doo-doo.

It's been a fantastic journey and if you ever wanna go through it again, there's always Disney Plus. But if just want your lumity fix without going through every single episode, then here you go.

I did it for starco and now I'm doing it for lumity. Here's every single episode the led up to lumity.

Spoilers for a show that we painfully know has ended.

"I Was a Teenage Abomination"

The revolution was a lie. Do you remember? When we were young and you wanted to set the world on fire? Sorry that's a reference to a song I like.

You can't do a list about a ship without actually starting the ship. The episode where Luz and Amity first meet and thank jeebus they did. Personally, I thought the first episode was okay and I didn't like the second one. But this episode was amazing. 10/10.

Luz feels like she isn't learning as much as she could from Eda so she sneaks into a witch school. With witch kids. We meet Willow and then we meet Amity, who I honestly thought was going to be some kind of Draco Malfoy bully type character. And she's kinda sorta like that in this episode. Little did we know the love that was gonna blossom here.

"Covention"

I get it. It's like coven and convention. OH now I get it. Well, we can't have them be enemies to lovers without them being enemies first. Willow and Gus invite Luz, Eda and King to the local covention where Amity just happens to be checking out the Emperor's Coven panel.

Yeah, she's still upset over the whole 'pretending to be an abomination thing.' We get some classic Malfoy-esque bullying from Amity that pushes Luz to challenge her. Since the Clawthorne sisters refuse to have one up over the other, they both cheat, embarrassing Amity.

The scene where Luz apologizes to Amity was the first hint that Amity would go beyond a Malfoy-bully character. Even though Amity was still upset, she broke the pact and Luz held no ill will towards her.

"Lost in Language"

I'm lost in language and I don't know what I'm thinking about. I'm back on my feet. Eager to be what you want me. Sorry. That's another song.

We get the first seed of the actual lumity ship and my first "I ship them" episode. Luz goes to the local library and the show shock everyone by showing Amity...reading to kids in the kids corner. You guys gotta remember that at the time this blew everyone's minds. The bully character reading to kids in the library? And they love her? Everyone's view of Amity changed, especially Luz's. Then we met Edric and Emira, who unlike Amity, are super cool and nice. All of which plays to the theme of the episode.

We (and Luz) discover that Amity is a lot more than she seems. She's not the bully character. Same with Edric and Emira. They're not the cool ones; they're the bullies. And that's the same way Amity feels about Luz. But with a little teamwork and a horrifying children's character come to life, Amity agrees to try to be a friendlier witch.

"Adventures in the Elements"

We wouldn't see Amity again for another several episodes. Thank goodness for that other country airing the episode early, am I right, people? Anyway.

Luz finally goes out with Eda for some serious witch training after Amity (oh cramity) warns her about the baby class. We get Amity making an actual effort to be nice to Luz, which almost completely goes to hell when Luz takes Amity's training wand. But then she does the "You'll only get hurt bit," and we see more of those little glimpses.

It's safe to say that after this episode Luz and Amity actually did become friends. No ill will on either side.

"Understanding Willow"

Luz and Amity became friends in the previous episode. Just Luz and Amity. Willow and Gus were a different story. Especially Willow. This is that story. It's the full story.

It's revealed that Willow and Amity used to be friends until Amity's parents forced Amity to push Willow away, something Willow still resents her for.

In the lumity side of things, Luz starts wiggling her way into Amity's heart with her upbeat, positive attitude. It's infectious. We even get a lumity hug, even if it was one sided.

"Enchanting Grom Fright"

Come on. Come on. Do I even have to at this point? The episode that blew this ship into the stratosphere.

It's Grom season and everyone's getting a date. Except for Amity who is unfortunately named the grom queen which means she has to fight a horrifying shapeshifting monster. Horray for The Boiling Isles being a safe and sensible place to live. Luz, being Luz, takes Amity's place so she doesn't have her worst fear come to life in front of everyone. But Luz is unable to face her greatest fear, and it takes the power of Wan to put Grom back in his place.

I love this episode. I love talking about this episode. I love how Amity is staring at her note because she's contemplating putting it in Luz's locker. I love how she says "Watch it, nitwit," before she realizes who she's talking to. I love how Luz and Amity randomly meet at the woods. Is it sloppy writing? Fuck you. I love when Amity grabs her dress when Grom tears her note. That's such a kid thing to do.

This is already way too long. I should move on.

"Wing It Like Witches"

The final part of the original lumity trilogy. We get the stupid fakey made up magical sport. Fuck you, Harry Potter. And we also get Boscha being a royal B. Someone tell her to see you next Tuesday. Am I right, people?

Luz, being Luz, wants to stand up to Boscha for Willow but, being Luz, makes things so much worse. Amity pops in and out of the episode to try to help but the gay panic is too much for her. Amity admits, out loud, that she loves how Luz seems to always get herself in over her head when she's trying to help someone. But they lose anyway. Fuck you, Harry Potter.

Enchanting Grom Fright was huge. But this episode was a bunch of fun. Fuck you, Harry Potter.

"Escaping Expulsion"

After breaking Amity's leg because we didn't want her anywhere near the season one finale, she finally makes her grand return. We also meet her parents and Odalia is one of the biggest Karen's I've ever seen. Luz gets expelled which is bad but she's more concerned over Willow and Gus. She tries to cut a deal with thicc mama Blight, but gets roped into product demonstration. Odalia tries to kill a child and fails when Amity appears from the rafters like Sting and announces to the world, "Stay away from my Luz."

It was awesome. We get a return blush and Luz officially starts crushing on Amity back. Reminds me of another post I did long ago telling everyone to be freaking patient. This episode also marks Amity being a part of the Hexsquad, but not one hundred percent into the friend group just yet.

"Through the Looking Glass Ruins"

I'm looking at you through the glass. Don't know how much time has past...I forgot the rest of the song.

It's funny because I guess the lumity stuff was actually the B-plot to this episode. This episode was very important for a lot of reasons. It introduced Phillip's diary, the galderstones, Matt and Gus kinda became friends. But we're not here to talk about that.

Luz discovers the there was a human in The Boiling Isles who donated a journal to the Bonesboro library. And since Amity works at the library, you know the whole two stones thing. And we see Luz crushing hard on Amity for the first time.

Unfortunately, Luz does get Amity in trouble again for like the fourth(?) time or something. That puts a real dent in things. But Luz comes through for Amity (offscreen) and gets her her job back. Amity makes the first move right at the end of the episode marking the beginning of the purple Amity era.

"Knock, Knock, Knockin' on Hooty's Door"

Hey, hey, hey! Please tell me I'm not the only one that got that reference. Don't make me feel old.

This is it. The most important episode since Grom. Dana and the crew knew that the series had been cut short so they had to speed things up. So they turned to...Hooty? Yeah. Okay. Sure. Whatever.

Luz is torn between finding a way back to the human realm and trying to ask out Amity. And you know that old saying about chasing two rabbits? Yeah. Hooty's solution? Kidnap Amity and force the two into the tunnel of love. Amity is actually totally digging the tunnel of love but Luz is afraid that Amity is going to make fun of her. Both ideas backfire and Amity starts to the think that she's been rejected already.

But that's to Hooty losing his mind, and a little advice from Eda, Luz asks out Amity. And she says YES! Lumity canon! In episode 8 of season 2! That's how you do it, Star vs the Forces of Evil! You give the people what they want. And now that Amity is Luz's girlfriend, she can help get more info out of the echo mouse.

And the love stuff too.

"Eclipse Lake"

Oh right. Amity. The girlfriend of Luz. The girl who is in a romantic relationship with Luz. Luz's girlfriend. That's Amity.

We have the first episode of Luz and Amity being a couple and hoo-boy, did Amity make sure to let us know. Nervous about having her first serious girlfriend, Amity wants to prove to Luz and herself that she is an awesome girlfriend. By going into the titan's veins to steal some of its blood.

As one does.

Hunter tries to prey on Amity's (and his own) insecurities about having to prove your worth. But it takes King and some well placed emoji messages to remind Amity why she fell in love with Luz in the first place. That Luz is so different from her family and her social circle. She doesn't have to prove anything to Luz. Luz wears her affection on her sleeve.

"Follies at the Coven Day Parade"

Night of the living dead is on its way. I keep making a lot of song references here.

This is the episode were the couple hits their first snag as a couple. Luz has a serious problem communicating when something is wrong (more on that later). After the traumatizing events of the previous episode, Luz can't bring herself to tell Amity that she promised her mom that she'd leave forever, especially since Amity is doing so much to get closer to Luz like learning Spanish. But Amity ain't no dummy. She can tell when Luz is hiding something. It's made even worse when Amity gets a hold of Luz's phone, which anyone who has been in a relationship could tell you, is a trap.

Luckily, trust and compassion win out in the end. Luz tells Amity exactly what happened, and they communicate. But if Luz was honest with Amity in the first place, we'd only have half an episode.

"Any Sport in a Storm"

Again, Lumity takes the B-plot.

While huntlow is becoming a thing, Luz and Amity try to search for the author of the Azura book series. On the way they parody fan theories in the nicest way I've ever seen in a show. And the big twist of the author of Azura turns out to be that there is no twist. It really is just a fantasy book series that Luz really likes that sometimes washes up in The Boiling Isles.

This episode is important because it serves to remind people what Luz and Amity have in common. Pointing out the fact that the two girls are different is fun, but sometimes you just have to go back to basics and remember that Luz and Amity just really like each other, get along, and are both nerds who like the same book series. And that whole opposites attract thing is bullshit. The key is compliments, not opposties.

"Reaching Out"

Hoo-boy. This one is heavy.

It's a special day for Luz, which is not a good thing. She wants to do anything but be alone with her thoughts. Good thing Amity shows up with a problem that could distract them all day.

Amity thinks that signing up for the Bonesboro Brawl could bring her closer to her dad (since her mom is obviously a lost cause) and ditches coven tryouts to compete for the championship title. Luz tries to help, but when Amity has the competition in the bag, Luz tries to help even more to keep herself busy.

But, as usual, Luz gets Amity in trouble and it really hurts this time. Not only did Luz get Amity in trouble (again), but she won't talk to her (again). When Amity has had enough, Luz does what she only does as a last resort and actually communicates.

That's when everything changes. It's the anniversary of Luz's dad's death. And usually Luz and Camila spend the day together. You know, to make it hurt less. But this year, she can't be with her.

This episode is important because after seeing Amity at a low point an unfair amount of times, this time Amity is seeing Luz at her lowest point. Amity makes this one face that, to me, says that Amity is shocked (to say the least) that her girlfriend was in pain this whole time. But she was so wrapped up in her own problems that she didn't notice. Or at least, that's my interpretation.

Luz and Amity make up and pick flowers together. It wasn't pretty or that romantic. It hurt and was kinda sad. But if you want to paint a pretty picture, sometimes you're gonna use some dark colors. And they're stronger for it.

"Clouds on the Horizon"

Oh yeah, baby. You know what this episode is.

When all hope seemed lost, it turns out not everyone believed Bellos' promises of paradise on the Day of Unity. While the adults are trying to stop the draining spell, Luz is sent on a slightly less dangerous mission of rescuing Amity from her mom's house arrest. Thicc Mama Blight even broke Amity's tamagachi thing. That bitch. See her next Tuesday.

But hope comes in the form of a Noceda as Luz enters through her bedroom window, Romeo & Juliet style. She promises Amity a slice-of-life future and Amity can't hold back anymore and

Gifs you can hear. Am I right, people?

We get it. Our first kiss. Our babies grow up so fast.

Actually no, that took forever, but you get my meaning.

Season 3: "Thanks to Them" "For the Future" "Watching and Dreaming"

Okay yeah, this is a bit of a cop out, but also, not really. Since Disney decided to be, well Disney, season three was cut short. Just enough to finish the story, but not enough to get lumity centric episodes. Everything was mashed together into 3 forty minute episodes.

Yes, we do have a lot of important lumity moments, but they're generally spread around all three episodes. None of them are more important than the other.

"Thanks to Them" had Luz coming out to her mom and introducing Amity. "For the Future" had Amity comforting Luz about her palisman. "Watching and Dreaming" had more kisses.

Unfortunately, I have to end the list by just saying watch all of them or none of them. Not very specific for a post that's supposed to be a specific list. Sorry, gang.

[bestqprshipbracket]

Best T4T Ship Group 1 Round 1

Neither are canonically trans

[cartoon-worlds]

I agreed with the ship review

I like the ship but seriously the romantic moments they have were cringey and Aang kisses katara with out her consent especially the second one where she said she was confused and he kissed her and she told him off, if they wanted to make it is gonna be a endgame ship, they could have done it right and not cringey at all, is cute for Aang to have a crush on katara, I find that cute but let’s be honest the romance writing was not good and I have someone going off because of it in the comment in the previous blog, calling childish for saying it, look I got enough I can’t say my opinions on hazbin hotel/helluva boss but I don’t need to feel like that in atla/fandom too, I have my favorite ships and my own opinions, I will like to feel safe when I say it, got enough shipping drama from other fandom especially svtfoe, I don’t need those type of Aang x katara shippers going off to me because the ship is not my OTP or something, besides the ship is canon there is no need to start a shipping war

The ship is canon and they got kids in lok, there is no point of starting a shipping war for it

Please dont ruin the ship for me like Starco from Svtfoe was ruined for

I will stand of what I said about the ship even as a kid I didn’t like how they became canon but reading the comics/graphic novels I like them especially in those comics, I like how their relationship is sweet and understanding as a couple in the comics but overall I ultimately see them as siblings especially how katara was most motherly/sisterly to Aang in most of the series until book 3

I love the found family/siblings dynamic

[amphibiahawks321]

Is there a ship you thought you would ship at first but oh boy it did not... Even if they did end up canon you still think it's not good...

(Be brutally honest)

that would be so starco, I don't really necessarily hate it but just flat out got tired of it...I remember when I watched the show I started thinking that star and Marco would probably end up together (which they did–) but oh my gosh I grew so tired of these two in the later seasons.... This whole love story between them made me so bored that even when Disney confirmed they're canon it's still boring...

The difference between starco and adrienette is that I already know I won't like adrienette in the first place cause the hell you mean you have a schedule of adrien's daily activities in your room!? but starco at the earlier episodes I thought I was gonna like it

[coolman229]

I think it's funny when I hear the criticism that Starco being canon was what ruined Star vs. The true irony is that it not happening sooner was what caused problems. Star and Marco should have gotten together right after he went to Mewni to be with her but because the writers decided to stretch things out and randomly forced her and Tom to get back together the show awkwardly waddled around the fact that Marco and Star were going to be endgame and ended up damaging things like Tom's development and him getting over Star. Star and Marco were completely obvious from the beginning and the show constantly reinforced they were endgame. The idea that them getting together came out of nowhere requires you to have ignored what was happening in the first couple seasons.

Had Marco and Star gotten together when it was natural (after Star went back to Mewni and Jackie broke up with Marco) that would have freed up so much time for the actual plots that needed to be resolved. There would be no romantic drama involving Tom and dragging his character down, Star and Marco could finally be honest after both being oblivious to their feelings for the first couple seasons. There was so much set up in the early seasons that needed to be tackled that was sidelined for unnecessary romance drama.

But even if you go with avoiding Starco being together until the finale that wasn't even the worst sin of the show. Sure it's annoying but it wouldn't have mattered much had the rest of the show's plotlines not been damaged or abandoned. What was up with Toffee's ominous claim that only he knows how things ended? What was really up with Moon and Toffee's big fight? Why did they clearly retcon the Butterfly family to not be related to Eclipsa? Why was the monster and Mewman conflict not properly resolved?

The show ended up going into a tailspin like it was almost completely avoiding trying to have a coherent plot. The last couple seasons feel like there's a total disconnect from the early seasons and it leaves the ending feeling completely insane. That's the true issue, not Starco being canon.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Whew! Glad this is the place for criticism without running into a potential rabid Vivziepop stan as an anon… This is mostly my opinion so I’m not holding back…

She’s one of those popular creators who can’t take criticism even if it’s well worded and not even cruel.

Good thing I blocked the tags of Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss here. Crossovers ain’t safe from their shit either. I STG people could do better than those shows or any series that has a hyper protective community whenever ppl give out legit civil constructed criticism.

The best thing is to not jump into any series that has both bad canon writing and their rabid uber defensive fandom. Seriously, just go and praise/glaze the series that actually deserved it, their communities are way more civilized. I think some ppl are really getting dumber when it comes to fictional media bc they just wanna ship the “hot people” together, usually men. I legit have nothing against canon/fanon LGBT ships but I and saner ppl will side eye the toxic ones like we would the hetero ships. Equal rights and fights eh?

I know that sounds like an analogy/parallel for couple relationships: “You can do better than them/him/her. You’re a good person.”

You betcha. If we are critical of starco then we can of stolitz. A couple is toxic no matter what sexuality. Also as said before the writing has gotten worse and inconsistent which hurts the show.

[colorfulandblack]

It is the year of our lord 2024 and here I'm eating carrots and desperately digging in the infinity of the abyss that is this hellhole to find some crumbs pertaining a pink haired, three eyes, purple goober with anger issues and going absolutely FERAL about the fact that apparently Starco is canon.

[lil-oreo-crumbles]

Oh god someone take my brain away from me.

Here’s a potentially weird concept. That I just came up with. Minutes ago.

Forget the Citadel of Starco, yeah, forget it. What about a fucking… Citadel of Toffee’s wives/husbands/partners. They’re just. All together. In one place. Mingling.

I know he’s shipped with a ton of OCs maybe I just want to see them interact yk?? I feel like a lot of them are so different yet would get along so well.

Don’t ask about canon characters since I feel like there’s a ton of different versions of those, and I wouldn’t want ALL of them to be there, there’d be WAYYY too many Moons and Rasticores if that happened. They’d kinda overflow the place yk?

But crossover ships. I think. Those would be acceptable. Maybe.

Maybe this would be primarily OCs though. I dunno, and maybe this idea is so cursed, but I had the thought and had the impulsive urge to share it with the world.

Yeah. A place where the numerous amount of OCs that people made to ship with Toffee. Just. In one place. Perfect. It’d be a really sweet place for a collab I think.