#that nobody’s antisemitic anymore.

[gynecologistmsfrizzle]

it is very very frustrating to see people across the political board abuse the word antisemitism for their own purposes, because it means that when legitimate antisemitism does happen— which it does, often, on the left— it becomes impossible to point it out. there’s an MPP in ontario who was censured for quote-unquote antisemitism because, as it’s being framed, she ‘spoke out in support of palestinians.’ she objects to the idea that that can ever be antisemitic, which looks fine prima facie. what is missing from that story is that she made her statement— which asserted that the only appropriate response to 10/7 was to “end all occupation of Palestinian land”— on October 10th.

calling for the dissolution of israel as a state is one thing (with some very important caveats, you can argue that that’s not an inherently antisemitic thing to say). even saying that violence in israel/palestine will continue until israel is dissolved, there’s a fairly solid case to be made that that’s not any kind of threat but rather a statement of fact— given that israeli violence in palestine has been a constant for as long as israel has existed, and the way israel presently operates relies largely on that violence. so sure, devoid of context, both those things are reasonable to say.

but calling for the dissolution of israel, and saying that violence will continue until that dissolution is achieved, less than 72 hours after the worst mass killing of jewish civilians since the holocaust took place there? come on. come ON. come the fuck on. imagine if she’d said “the only way to end violence against american civilians is to dissolve the united states” three days after 9/11, when hospitals were still overflowing and manhattan was being evacuated en masse, when there weren’t even accurate counts of the dead.

there wouldn’t be a question of whether that was acceptable. but somehow, there IS a question here. it’s almost like there’s some kind of millennia-old history of oppression that created a pervasive subconscious bias, influencing how we think and talk about israeli civilians and how people calculate the value of their lives. shame we don’t have a word for that.

[edenfenixblogs]

It’s really exhausting to have people say they stand against antisemitism and then for me to have to say:

“this is antisemitism. Stand against it.”

And then have people either ignore me or just claim it’s not really antisemitism because they agree with it actually.

[jewishboricua]

throwback to when I got called a Jesus killer yesterday, so fun! /j

[foxxsong]

Fuckin love it (sarcasm, if that's not obvious) when Jewish people come onto a post and respectfully ask people to stop comparing every atrocity to Nazi Germany for shock value while giving examples of other comparisons to use and some random gentile prick decides that no, actually THIS TIME it's accurate and it would in fact be WORSE to find something else to compare it to because other things don't have enough shock value to make their point before proceeding to have the gall to imply that it's not overused and that Jews are selfish for not wanting it constantly brought up.

Like, congrats for contributing to the issue of desensitizing people to the Holocaust and telling Jews that you don't care if their murders are being used for your own purposes. Good job further proving that the left only cares about Jewish pain when they can use it to sensationalize issues they care about or that could effect them personally.

But sure, let's further propagate the whole "canary in the coal mine" trope. As if the suffering of Jews doesn't matter unless real victims could be next.

[toytulini]

If you get the urge to say shit on this post, consider: dont. not looking to engage in a dialogue about this, i will block you

i know this isnt whats gonna happen but god id love to learn nothing about that new hp show. i dont want to hear shit. not even about how bad it is. tmi. dont curse me with that info. why do you know how bad it is. why are you telling me. go look up a weird bug on wikipedia. or dont. dont tell me about it. dont put it on my dash.

[cimmunist]

Ngl, the fact that people are trying to erase Dr Bright from the wiki doesn't even look like they're doing it to fix things. It feels performative and like they're trying to sweep Admin Bright's existence under the rug instead of acknowledging what happened or trying to fix things.

Especially considering most actual harmful things about Bright family most likely won't be changed at all.

[bill-the-dog-for-the-check]

To us Jews who have lost friends in the post-October 7th surge in antisemitism and 'antizionism', I want to say: it is not our job to deradicalize our friends. I've seen too many people hurting their own mental health by trying to explain to them why the things they've posted are antisemitic, why it's antisemitic to claim Israel has permanently sterilized the Beta Israel, that Israel routinely pilfers organs from killed Palestinians, or why calling for the dissolution of the Jewish state is bad. Hell, I've spent more time than I should have trying to make friends see how wrong they are. The fact is, when your friends start posting propaganda in support of a genocidal terrorist organization and shut down dissent as 'Zionist hasbara' or whatever the fuck, they're not your friends anymore. Whoever they might have been pretending to be, they're gone. Mourn them, but please, for your own sanity and safety, let them go. It's nobody's job but their own to fix their ways.

[qqueenofhades]

Last anon here -- I'm sorry for sending that message through. I don't know what is and isn't true anymore.

I deleted what I presume was your first ask (the one accusing me of not condemning the Gaza genocide and calling me a "DNC shill and a liar") because it was rude, uncalled for, and I couldn't see any good to come of engaging with it. However, because you've returned and apologized and sent this followup, I am willing to answer it, because I am aware that we can all do stupid things (especially on the internet) that we regret. So there is that.

Once again: I have strictly limited my posts/reblogs on this topic because it is so inflammatory, there are reams of people willing to attack you on every side, and none of it is actually constructive (this is the blue hellsite where we have two whole jokes about Ea-Nasir and color theory in children's hospitals. We are not doing important social justice work here and expecting this to be the main/only forum in which we post the Correct Opinions is not going to work out for anyone). But I would like, for the record, to point out that I have condemned the situation in Gaza and explicitly called it a genocide and Netanyahu and co. war criminals. Often and repeatedly:

Ask from October 28, 2023:

What’s happening to the Gazans right now is no qualification or equivocation, a genocide. It should rightfully be opposed and called what it is. But unfortunately, I have spent too much time around Western Online Leftists to believe they actually care a whit about stopping genocide as a fundamental principle, and only want to be seen to loudly care about what their Ideology has told them to care about. [...] To put it bluntly, those genocides are being committed by nation-states that Online Leftists like for being “anti-Western,” and therefore their activities are actually fine and should even need to be defended.

Another post from December 2023 explicitly calling out Netanyahu and his cabinet, while also pointing out that Tumblr's response now mostly consisted of antisemitic dogwhistles and rampant political misinformation:

[...] the way Netanyahu is personally a genocidal maniac with a far-right cabinet of war criminals and is bent on continuing the war in order to escape his own criminal prosecutions (and yes, he is HIGHLY affiliated with Trump and Putin) but this somehow still does not remotely justify or excuse the rampant frothingly mindless and generalized anti-Semitism seen everywhere on leftist spaces these days [....]

An ask from January 10th, 2024 (worth probably reading in full) where I once more say that nobody wants this to be happening, but that once again, the criticism in Western leftist forums (particularly Tumblr/Twitter) is not made equally or in good faith :

Nobody of basic good sense and decency wants to see Gaza leveled while the Israeli state continues to apply a number of violently cruel collective punishments even outside the actual daily bombing of civilians. But for the love of god, let’s get rid of the idea that the continued mindless violence doesn’t benefit Hamas (because it does; unsurprisingly, sympathy for their cause has soared in Gaza) as much as it does Israel, or that Hamas is some kind of benevolent peacemaker that is being thwarted by the cruel imperialist US/West.

This post, also from January 2024, explains why the kind of stunt-trick "pro Palestinian" activism that just relies on publicly hassling Jews is a) antisemitic and b) actively harming the people of Gaza, while once again pointing out whose fault this whole mess actually is:

If these people actually wanted to advocate constructively for Palestine in a good-faith way and not just punish random Jews or people who might have once met a Jew (which they don’t), they would take a look at that, go “hmm, this isn’t really getting the right result” and listen to the people who are telling them that by generating this bad publicity, they are doing far more harm to the cause than good. They are going to make the cause look foolish, they will drive away anyone who isn’t already radicalized, they will shut down any possibility of discussion and dialogue, and their efforts will be picked up in the Israeli nationalist right-wing media/Netanyahu and his war criminal advisors to insist to left-wing or anti-zionist Jews that (one of the, you know, big fucking reasons Israel was founded in the first place) they aren’t safe in any other country in the world, and they need to support the Israeli government’s actions, no matter how heinous.

A follow-up from January 31, 2024, discussing (again) the problems with insisting that Biden personally/the American power apparatus is just giving Israel a blank check and therefore Biden Iz Bad And This is All His Fault:

Once again: I strongly disagree with the idea of just giving Israel/Netanyahu a blank check to keep committing atrocities, but I also need to repeatedly point out that Biden isn’t doing that. His initial unconditional support of Israel after October 7 (which at the time was the correct response) has shifted to a much more measured and conditional approach where he has muted the overtly pro-Israel statements and started talking about a two-state solution and the need to protect the lives of civilians and trying to keep a lid on what could become a REALLY bad situation with all kinds of war-hungry powers eager to jump into the Middle East and blow it completely to hell.

I am a historian. This does not mean that I always know The Greatest Things Ever, but it does mean that I default toward long, cautious, and qualified responses where I try to consider multiple perspectives and nuances, rather than just posting pithy soundbites or black-and-white statements. (Yes, I know; I am doomed on social media.) Thus when I do discuss the situation, I tend toward trying to put it in broader context, to push back sharply against the idea that being "pro Palestine" is just being wildly antisemitic on social media and nothing else, and to call out those bad actors who are using this situation to continue to imperil American democracy and deliberately try to get Trump (who openly hankers to be a genocidal fascist dictator for everyone, not just Israel/Palestine) back into office.

I know that this is a situation which provokes (to say the least) strong emotions from everyone. I know that it's infuriating to feel totally helpless and just to have to watch it from afar. I know that we all wish we could stop it and that leads us to create meaning or assign importance to our own actions where there actually is none. But that does not mean that people have total liberty to spread antisemitic conspiracy theories, wild political misinformation, narratives designed whether unwittingly or deliberately to help Trump and other far-right fascists, and otherwise anonymously dogpile on people who haven't Posted The Correct Opinion on Tumblr (once again, Tumblr, where we get our news via Destiel meme). So I hope this has helped you, if this is what you wanted to get out of contacting me today, and hope also that you'll continue to think about what to do and how to act. It's hard, I know, and you have my sympathy. But so it is for us all.

[twoelectrichearts]

Noah Schnapp is literally beyond evil. Like, spawn of satan level of evil. He only deserves to suffer for the rest of his existence. How dare he have empathy for innocent civilians in Israel and Palestine. First of all, there’s no such thing as innocent Israeli civilians. Second of all, you can't have empathy for both. Especially if he is a Zionist. All the Jewish people who identify as Zionists are evil. Israel has absolutely no right to exist and Jewish people have no right to exist in Israel. So many Jewish people who are Zionists claim that’s what Zionism means to them but they’re wrong. Zionism is pure evil. You can’t be Zionist and want peace and self determination for Palestinians. I’m not Jewish but I definitely know better than the Jewish Zionists who claim that. They’re all evil lying monsters. They want every Palestinian wiped off the face of the Earth. Hamas would never want such a thing. It’s not like they had a charter that said that about Jewish people. Even if they did, they supposedly recently changed it to Zionists instead so it’s all good now. Hamas is totally accepting of Jewish people now and would welcome them with open arms as long as they aren’t Zionist. Noah, if you’re a Zionist, don’t be anymore. You can change your evil ways. Hamas changed. Yeah, they may have killed civilians and taken hundreds hostage, they may have said October 7th was just the beginning and that it was going to happen over and over again, but they’re no longer antisemitic. They’re just anti Zionist so they’re good people now. You can change and be good too. You’re so young. There’s still hope for you. Stop lying and telling us how you want peace and self determination for Palestinians. We all know that’s not true. It can only be true if you aren’t Zionist.

You liking something like this makes absolutely no sense if you’re Zionist. I bet you don’t even agree with it and just liked it by accident or something. It’s crazy how I even managed to come across this months ago considering nobody talked about it or brought it to light. You liking that sketch of people in the LGBTQ+ community simping over Hamas got so much attention and caused so much outrage though. Funny how the internet works. Anyways, as a bisexual, I was so offended by that video. Hamas are well known LGBTQ+ allies. How could you like that video as someone who’s gay? It’s probably because you’re lying about being gay too. Shame on you.

Last thing I’m gonna say is fuck Israel and fuck Israelis. That country and all the people living there are evil. They’re all colonizers and occupiers. It needs to cease to exist and all the people currently living there need to go back to where they originally came from. All of them came from Europe, right? That’s what I’ve been hearing. They all need to return to Europe. Gosh, why’d they ever leave there in the first place? I know Jewish people say otherwise but they’re wrong. They’re either lying or in denial. They’re not indigenous to Israel. They’re indigenous to Europe. Us non Jewish people really need to educate them more about their own history, religion, ethnicity, etc. We need to teach them what antisemitism actually is. A lot of them don’t seem to understand what it is. We do that to every other minority group that we aren’t apart of, right?

[ca-suffit]

This antiblack campaign the fandom just tried to kick up again (to avoid talking about the real issue with Nalyra) reveals how powerless they're starting to truly feel now.

They don't have many users left to vilify so they're putting people on blocklists who are brand new (I was here 3 days lol) or not even really in the fandom. That looks goofy and desperate but then it keeps going. DMing strangers to say "the truth" isn't about racism and "talk to me if you really want to know about anything." Everyone's reblogging those blocklist posts now and adding large commentary suddenly, when before they often fully sat it out. They're doing this in a group to look like they have larger numbers and are "revealing" there's a "big secret bullying problem"....except nobody believes them. Because there's plenty of accounts who are out here saying this shit straight to their faces and they pretend we all don't exist. All of this group has to manufacture drama solely because they just don't want to talk about harmful shit they actually do.

Neil has to make an antiblack statement she made suddenly be about antisemitism towards her, Nalyra's antiblackness is "actually" fans upset about shipping and "what's REALLY coming" in S2, showmey0urfangs is always happy to show up with her dumb screencaps and villain monologue nobody asked for so she can make her everlasting outrage about popular black fics and "feminized" Louis sound deeper than it is, Virginia suddenly cries about IRL issues and wants to leave the fandom because she wants to distract from the Nalyra receipts, Keybearer accused another black fan of trolling people and getting accounts suspended on twitter in 2023 when a Marius fan eventually confessed to it and his eternal shame for that means now every black fan except him is a bully (despite nobody talking about this ever anymore except him), chicalepidopterare mocks a black fan for blocking her "because I thought we were supposed to talk about racism" and then poorly tries to frame any retaliation against her to look like bullying ("see, they're misogynistic, they're bullying my art, they're mean for disliking these ships!").

To quote Claudia here, "You must think me an idiot." And the big cherry on top is also how none of these losers can stand to hear any mention of race....in the fandom of the show that nonstop talks about race. They're using very basic (and meant in a gentle, loving way) teasing of Jacob as proof that black fans are racist against Jacob too, black fans hate Jacob's white wife. People hate Lestat for being white too (what?). They can write crap meta all day about Lestat letting Louis "rape" him and only white victims (Lestat) being real victims to the evil black and brown "true" manipulators (Claudia, Louis, Armand) but gentle teasing from black fans about Jacob's haircut is the real racism. Okay lol. Care to tell us again why you think Delainey's Claudia looks "less innocent" now then? This 3D chess you think you're playing isn't playing how you think for anyone else.

I also notice that afaik there's not a single black American in this group. Idek if there's many Americans of any kind in the group. It's been a lot of shaming to black Americans specifically though, again from the show that's focused on black Americans....by people who aren't black Americans.

"There's people pretending to be black so it's okay to keep hating this whole group." It's not enough you already nonstop shit on black fans as it is, now you have to try to angle it as if none of this could be authentic in the first place. Vile behavior. For what? Tumblr isn't even a platform that pays you for whatever clout you have, so really what is the point here. In a small ass fandom on top of it. Some of you have pretty grown kids too, this is extra sad. It makes all the jumping through hoops to coddle Lestat's behavior make sense though, if you're the same kind of person yourself. Anyway, maybe you don't actually know everything because race exists in the real world beyond how Anne Rice wrote about it in her useless books! You make books written by a racist white woman your whole personality and guess what your outlook on life is going to be.

It's been really pathetic to especially watch any fans of color move more to this extreme bullying side as time has gone on. It will never pay off to promote white fandom ideals. These accounts you're trying to cuddle up to aren't even that big. The fandom outside of the tags actually has much more popular posts, supporters, and fics...although that's also half of what this all is actually about, fic numbers. Again, these are grown adults obsessing over this. We could have a whole different fandom if this group didn't exist and keep wanting to gatekeep everything and be the only people who get praise about anything.

It's no surprise that people who worship Anne Rice have major ego problems themselves. It's been fucked up to deal with but the good thing now is that big egos have big collapses eventually and that's what we're starting to see happening now. People are sick of you and able to see through your basic ass manipulation techniques. People just want to have a fandom, they're not here to worship fans who want to be dictators. Nobody is here for your fragility, losers.

[justenjoythegossip]

Would it be more “acceptable” if Chris & Abba were exclusively PR?

Chris’ performative political activism

Whether Chris and Abba are a real legitimate couple with a PR spin or exclusively PR, Chris’ political activism has proved to be totally performative. It’s one thing to fight for equality and injustice when it is beneficial to your image, it’s another to do it when voicing that opinion can be costly. Look at Melissa Barrera who expressed her opinion, stuck to her guts and lost the role she is most famous for. Look at Brendan Fraser who refused to stay silent and paid such a heavy price after speaking out on his being sexually assaulted. It took him years to come back and finally take home a much deserved Oscar for his acclaimed performance in the Whale. 

Chris’ persona and brand were utterly destroyed when he was linked to that fat-shaming racist antisemitic Nazi sympathizing girl. The most aggravating part of this PR shitshow is that by accepting to be officially in a “RS” and then be “married” to her, he has helped put her in the spotlight, which was his first mistake. Look at Dylan O’Brien who is in a real relationship with someone extremely problematic as well. They are rather discreet. If Chris and Abba had behaved like a real private couple, if Abba would have stayed in the shadow, then the backlash would have been kept to a minimum. Also by agreeing to this, Chris helped clean her image. Knowing what she has shown to the world publicly, it’s all the more egregious to see the media portraying her as this smart talented great humanitarian who speaks 5 languages and who has perfect eyebrows. The gaslighting is unbearable. 

Of course, Chris has famously said that the industry makes you do things that you don’t want to do. But it is an excuse. It’s a rationalization. The truth is that he had a choice. For sure the two options he was offered probably sucked but he still had a choice. Nobody forced this on him. And he knew the optics were terrible. That’s why he didn’t come back to Twitter, that’s why he took so much distance from his political project ASP. It would have been too hypocritical to be vocal and to be lecturing people when he, himself, was connected to someone that represents what he is allegedly fighting against. 

When he did that infamous asp chat about racism and antisemitism, it wasn’t random. It was very likely a test to monitor the reaction of his fans. This is probably why they left all those negative comments. They wanted to know if Chris had been forgiven...

If their “RS/marriage” was exclusively PR, would that absolve him somehow?  

Certain mods have expressed the opinion that if Chris and Abba were a real legitimate couple, it would be much worse and then they couldn’t support Chris anymore. I don’t mean to judge or criticize anyone’s opinion by the way, especially since I think some of those mods are good, well-intentioned people and I love reading their take on things but I am just trying to ask questions here. 

What is implied here is that it’s ok and preferable to compromise yourself if it’s meant for your career.  And it’s true that we are taught from the earliest age that we have to succeed. Whatever the cost may be. We must have friends, have a career, have money, have a family, have a house… So much emphasis on having and so little on being. This is the darker side of the American dream, it puts way too much importance on money and success. And if you can’t achieve those goals then you are considered to be worthless. Nihilism starts right there. If you are nothing, it’s a lot easier to give up on your morals and ethics… 

To get back to Chris. Yes he’s had an amazing career, the kind of career most actors would kill for. But it’s easy to relate to being terrified to lose what you have and what you have always wanted. I guess the desperation must be unbearable if you have defined yourself by your professional success and you see that things start slipping away from you. And by his looks and demeanor, people can tell he has struggled with it. Although it might be an act of course. But I choose to believe that it’s genuine and that he really feels guilty about it.   

But wouldn’t love make this situation more “acceptable”?

If Chris and Abba were exclusively PR, then it would signify that Chris compromised himself and his beliefs for his career, for roles, for money and for power. 

But wouldn’t it be actually “preferable” and “more acceptable” to compromise yourself out of love? 

Love can be so powerful and nonsensical that certain people have lost their ways because of it. People have betrayed their partners or spouses, some have abandoned their own children because of it. Heck, people have even killed out of passion. And we sometimes free those people in a court of law when a jury decides that the criminal was so blinded by love and passion that they were unable to distinguish right from wrong. We call it temporary insanity! 

If Chris had genuinely fallen in love with Abba (I don’t believe it by the way) to the point of being blind to her problematic stuff, would that be really worse or wouldn’t that serve as more mitigating circumstances? I am merely asking a question: compromising yourself for money and roles is it better than compromising yourself out of love? Did we actually become too cynical? Too materialistic? 

Chris and his treatment of Abba and how it is reflective of our society…

Regardless of what we might think of Abba (and for sure we don’t have a good opinion of her), Chris has treated her very poorly. And this doesn’t reflect well on him. 

Indeed he has done the absolute bare minimum to sell this, has never even said her name once, he has acted all ashamed most times she was nearby, has thrown shade (see the GQ interview where he implied she was judgmental), he has kept repeating how much he likes to be alone and how his dog is his true soulmate. He even said while allegedly being with her that he was looking for a partner to spend the rest of his life with. Ouch!

Of course, people who know about her problematic stuff will have trouble having any kind of empathy for her but that doesn’t make it ok. 

Chris has agreed to this PR shitshow so tacitly he has accepted that Abba is good enough for these PR games and he has accepted to use her. So he should treat her with a minimum of respect. Otherwise he shouldn’t have gone through with it in the first place.  

And it’s very symptomatic of our society these days. With the propaganda pushed by the mass media, we are taught that it’s ok to hate on people as long as they are horrible human beings. And similarly we have seen so many mods troll and comment on Abba‘s appearance as if it was even relevant. Just because someone is horrible, it doesn’t give you a license to behave the same way. Otherwise you become the very same thing you are criticizing. 

[jewish-vents]

current events have made me feel so awful about being Jewish. I’m secular, but a lot of my relatives practice. I don’t even practice, and I’m not very involved in my local Jewish community at all, but seeing so many posts spouting antisemitic bullshit made me feel bad about even having Jewish blood in me. I’ve been practicing Yiddish more and I want to speak it on my blog, and it’s probably silly but I’m scared about even letting people know I’m Jewish. I wish I could be more open about it but with current events, I don’t know! I see so many Jews I follow getting harassment, even when they’ve reblogged pro-pal things, for the crime of being a Jew. I’m not that educated on current events if im being honest, but it’s not right to harass Jews.

and what I don’t understand is that this makes me think back to Ukraine/Russia. Even while Russia was doing horrible things, nobody told Russians to be ashamed of their culture? Why is it just the Jews? How come I don’t see my Jewish neighbors walking to the synagogue on the sabbath anymore? Why has my uncle had to stop wearing his garments in public so he doesn’t receive any harassment? I don’t understand any of it and I am so tired. I want to start going to the synagogue. I want to spend more time with the Jewish side of my family so I can learn more about the Jewish culture. I am so done

.

[cgi-heart-eyes]

tired of people being like “oh noah schnapp never even mattered or anything he was just another rich white gay boy”

and like. he was so important to me. it’s not every day you see an openly queer and jewish person who is famous. i looked up to him so much. ofc i don’t really support him anymore bc. he’s being a dumbass. but also people are saying dumb shit about him too.

he doesn’t deserve death threats, and certainly doesn’t deserve to be doxxed. nobody deserves that. in addition, i have heard people spout basically the definition of antisemitic conspiracies with “zionist” instead of “jew”.

“ugh he’s just another one of those rich zionists who have control over the media” DO YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING???

idk this isn’t the most well articulated thing ever but i really needed to get my thoughts out.

[hero-israel]

This is either a minor gripe or a prescient canary in the coal mine thing, but w/e, I'm sending it in anyways.

I truly don't believe that most leftists understand the damage that the antizionist-to-hamas wing of the movement is doing to their credibility. (To be 100% clear, I say this as a committed leftist who is not changing their positions anytime soon.) A fandom blog I follow (aware that this is not the most rhetorically powerful example) has posted some dogshit takes on the Israel-Palestine conflict recently, and I was really struck by the erosion in credibility when that blog reblogged something I wouldn't have blinked at reblogging half a year ago and I blocked the OP on reflexes alone. (It was a poorly sourced claim that Israeli airstrikes in the 2006 Lebanon war resulted in a large oil spill. I'm aware that reblogging poorly sourced stuff is bad, but I come to tumblr to unwind.) It wasn't that I believe that this is blatantly antisemitic, or that if I did research on it it would be obviously false; it's something that I genuinely believe could have happened. And the blog in question had such awful opinions on other topics related to Israel-Palestine that I simply do not trust them on this anymore. Knee-jerk distrust, blocked the OP, and decided that I would look that up myself when this short period of increased stress is over.

I firmly believe that things like that are only going to get more widespread and frequent, and a few years down the line, when Israel actually does something fucked up, these people are going to criticize it and get crickets, because nobody will trust that they aren't hiding antisemitism in there like people hide pills in meat for dogs.

The reason that "criticism of Israel isn't antisemitism" isn't just because bad faith right-wingers use that to shut down criticism of Israel. A great deal of that comes from the fact that many people use "criticism of Israel" as a shield to hide antisemitism!

(Tone doesn't come across in raw text, so please read this last section with lots of sarcasm and even more rage.)

There are real problems with what is happening in Gaza, and you've destroyed your ability to get people to listen when you talk about them for paragilder emojis. Masterful gambit, sir.

Excellent, excellent commentary. And let's take a more detailed look at what is going to happen to the politically experienced, organized, "real" liberal / left activist core in this country:

[germiyahu]

One thing I will never understand is the absolute denial from Zionists like you is that yall can’t seem to understand that people can learn/become informed and now *can* stand with Palestinians. “NoNe Of YoU kNeW aBoUt PaLeStINe BeFoRe 10/7!!!” Yeah, because of deliberate censorship from the Israeli lobby. This is not surprising. People now know, they know how Zionists have become the new Nazis and how they are in fact committing a genocide and ethnic cleaning against the Palestinian people. They know how they have been killing, starving, and torturing Palestinians people for the last 76+ years. And how Israhell has its hand in the killing and genocide of people around the world (Sudan, Congo, and Black people in the U.S.)

People have woken up. When people are oppressed don’t be surprised when they resist.

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

Perfect example of the illiterate drivel that they spew. I can say "I know many people who've been like this long before October 7th" and one of them slithers into my inbox to bray about my apparent claim to the opposite effect. Such a gotcha.

And then they say the same boring shit that nobody with a brain believes anymore. Practically every popular buzzword is included. This is a lame attempt at trolling. Even answering them will in their mind prove they've won in this bizarre little interaction. But so will ignoring them.

I will not be wasting any more time "debunking" that which is so below the normal threshold of human intelligence. I have already wasted five minutes of my life responding to this. That's all you are to me. A random obnoxious little antisemite who will die an antisemite one day, having accomplished nothing for the liberation, much less improvement, of anyone.

[hard--headed--woman]

nuance really has died in this society. nobody is capable of having a nuanced opinion anymore. people are really out there saying that supporting Palestine means being antisemitic and also supporting Hamas. people are really out there saying that wanting Israel to stop bombing Gaza means supporting the rape of israeli women and the murder of israeli citizens by Hamas. people are really out there saying that criticizing Israel means hating jewish people. people are really out there saying so much crap that it would take hours to write everything. are y'all able to have a single critical thought for once ? to understand that we can support Palestine without supporting Hamas ? to understand that supporting Palestine doesn't mean being antisemitic and hating Jewish people ? to understand that we can want israel to stop bombing Gaza without supporting the rapes and murders committed by Hamas ? to understand that criticizing Israel doesn't mean hating jews ? to understand that we can both want a ceasefire while acknowledging that Hamas has done terrible things ?

and i've seen those of you who claim that you can't support Palestine because they're homophobic/misogynistic or i don't know what else (because they're muslim, arab or whatever reason you use). have you ever considered the idea that things are sometimes more complicated than that ? that not all palestinians are muslim and/or bigots ? that nothing excuses a genocide anyway ? that not wanting thousands of innocent people to be killed doesn't mean supporting everything every single palestinian have evet done or said ? that no matter what happens in a place it doesn't excuse murdering citizens and even children ?

i'm so done with people trying to find reasons to support these horrors. Israel has killed around 10000 palestinians now. children, babies, innocents. i don't care about what your political opinions are, there's no excuse for supporting that. learn to have some fucking empathy and nuance.