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Namor Week day 5: Friends/Allies

Im passing out😂😂

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Cover of the Day: Invaders #21 (October, 1977) Art by Gil Kane

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Both with the Invaders and by ourselves, Bucky and I fought the battles of freedom on a two-front war…

(Captain America #215)

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[invaders-forever]

Toro's Powers/Inhuman Part 2

alright, last post (here) talked about the powers themselves and how they work with Toro as a character. So what about his relationships, and his place in the team/teams? (another long one) also, his backstory a little bit bc i just want to talk about toro. this isn't english class, i don't need structure lol (much heavier on headcanons)

Let's start with the obvious. Jim. Jim could probably give less of a fuck what toro "is", because he is Toro and he is Jim's son and that's enough. the new powers, i can see that creating some internal angst for jim at first bc toro having the same powers as him kinda reassured him of his own humanity and their similar powers were the first building block in their relationship. but once jim escapes the evil anxiety spiral and remembers Toro isn't going anywhere, he's incredibly supportive. (we see a glimpse of this in canon, where he supports Toro's choice in going to Atalian. the new powers still catch him off guard sometimes, but he's also secretly glad bc it means Toro isn't constantly comparing himself to Jim anymore, and it boosts Toro's self-confidence. (srsly, re-reading this stuff now that i'm not an angsty middle schooler, my boy needs several hugs and therapy. he makes blatantly suicidal comments both in the Torch and Invaders Now, not to mention several times in earlier comics where he makes self-deprecating comments comparing himself to Jim.)

Next up, Nora and Fred Raymond. Betcha didn't see that one coming! Obviously learning you're an entirely different species is going to re-contextualize some shit about your parents, but not necessarily in the way you'd expect. See, Toro's parents were both brilliant chemists (or otherwise chemistry adjacent scientists. the details of how the fuck horton cells work is sketchy at best). Toro never got to know them well, both because of a number of things they were keeping from him and how young he was when they died. Toro himself says he never knew much about his mother when she's brought up in The Torch, and a part of his motivation is specifically to find out more about his parents. Because his new powers are heavily reliant on chemistry, he'll probably be doing a lot of research in that area, which in a way brings him a little closer to his parents.

Iron Cross (the Clare Grueller incarnation) is a character Toro literally would not have met without being an inhuman. Sadly we don't get to see much of them interacting besides mutually telling inhuman eugenics guy to fuck off and/or fight them (a great basis for a friendship if you ask me) Here we enter head canon territory. I personally think it would be really cool if Toro and Clare continued to have a relationship, bonding over inhuman stuff/invaders bagage/generally wanting to make the world a better place without ending up in the news. Maybe Toro helps Clare cope with the implications of becoming one with her suit (he's got a lot of experience with cyborgs androids and the like) and maybe she builds him a computer to integrate into his suit that helps him identify unfamiliar chemicals on the fly, or that can show him how to make specific chemicals (like the human-atlantean switch stuff).

Namor. Oh boy. Um, Namor is complicated. As a mutant he's kind of expected to have some thoughts on the inhuman business, and while it seems like he does in the invaders part of the hydra supreme mess, this isn't necessarily the case. (I'm totally writing a fic on this scene later, but he's faking it to try to get toro to leave/distance himself from toro so he can act like he doesn't care) meanwhile, when it's first revealed Namor's actually pretty chill abt it. So may or may not be a factor, more likely to be a problem if Toro's working with/for/ int the interest of other Inhumans, or trying to mediate between Namor and Blackbolt or something.

Anyway, Namor knows what it's like to be something different than you thought, and even something that doesn't really exist outside of you (toro is inhuman, but he's also a hortanesc cyberg a-la-spitfire, and maybe still a mutant- i'll get back to that later) I think much like Jim Namor is very caught off guard by the new powers. Underneath everything, I think he's still tempted to see toro as a little kid, a painfully vulnerable surface dweller who took a bullet to the chest in berlin (bucky's whole 'that could never be you in there so you don't understand' speech really hit a nerve i think) Oh, and Namor also WATCHED TORO DIE after toro PURPOSEFULLY PUT HIMSELF IN DANGER TO SAVE NAMOR. so yeah, no matter how powerful toro gets, no matter how smartly he uses his power, i think namor has a really hard time seeing toro as anything other than vulnerable. Which brings us to the real hard pill to swallow-

Toro can kick Namor's ass now. At least, if he has the drop. Toro can dehydrate him. Toro can manifest vibranium or other super strong metals that can actually leave a mark on Namor. This is a factor with all the invaders, in that toro has all sorts of new tools at his disposal that can make them miserable, but Namor's the one he's (historically) most likely to come to blows with.

And one final point with Namor (godsdamn, you'd think this post was about him) as i mentioned he sees Toro as vulnerable, perhaps more so than even Jim. And this is important. This is good. Toro needs people looking out for and protecting him, even if he's a lot more powerful now.

Alright moving right along hey look it's Bucky. So, unsurprisingly, powers were never that big in bucky and toro's relationship. And power escalation hit them both, only in different ways, so the power imbalance really feels like it's in Bucky's favour if anyone's at this point. The only real effect I can see this having is if Toro gets sucked into some inhuman/Kree/space thingy that involves Bucky as the Man on the Wall (is that even a thing anymore? I feel like I haven't heard about it in a while but i haven't really kept up with Captain America comics lately) Anyways it could be interesting to see these too in that context. See them have a moral debate. How do they handle conflicting duty. How much chaos can they get into on an enemy starship? the possibilities are very fun

Steve. okay, i could write a whole post about Steve and Toro's relationship and how they're foils/reflections of each other. But that's not what we're here for. There are two major points that define Toro and Steve in this context (and tbh most of their on screen interaction give me more marvel pls) 1. Toro's in humanification and 2. Hydra Cap. Starting off with the safer option, Steve was the first person Toro interacted with as an inhuman. Steve was there when Toro first came out of the cocoon, he's the one who explained everything to Toro and probably the one who got to here unadulterated fears/emotions about it. and given toro's history of being used as a lab rat/weapon/both, i'm betting some things came out. maybe some things other people don't know, which puts Steve very suddenly in a position to become Toro's confident. Someone he can trust and lean on with the stuff he'll never mention around the others. Which makes point 2 hurt even harder.

Even though hydra steve and real steve are different people, even though the steve we have now has tried very hard to make up for his evil clone's actions (oversimplification but whatever). It was still steve's face, and steve's voice, and the damage was still done. Toro, who had confided his deepest darkest fears in Steve, got to hear someone who was for all intents and purposes Steve say publicly that inhumans were so dangerous that they absolutely had to be locked away, with no nuance, no consideration. OUCH.

Toro's also in a tricky spot here, bc thanks to our dear friends Mad Thinker and nebulus soviet scientists (probably dept X) Toro knows first hand what it's like to be forced by forces out of your control to be something or someone else. He knows what it's like to come back from that and face the consequences for actions that both were and weren't his. He feels for Steve, but that doesn't mean he can just let it go.

As far as Steve goes, i think it's just really, really awkward now. He's very clearly still trying to heal the damage as recently as Invaders (2019). He's painfully aware that Toro is an inhuman and was thus very personally wronged by Hydra Steve, even if he isn't aware how far down that broken trust goes. He's spent years mending bridges with friend foe and stranger a like. But toro never mentions it, it's just floating there between them.

Toro was one of the first "mutant" super heroes. I know there are plenty of theories out there about what extent he expired/was related to magneto, prof X, and all the mutant stuff going down in the 60s. Him actually being an inhuman is definitely going to shake things up there, and it complicates the whole Inhumans v. Mutants angle. Could be very interesting both on general and personal levels.

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— L.H.Z 

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This is an Invaders appreciation post. Appreciate the Invaders before you pass. Have a nice day.

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2020 Buckytoro week prompt: ice skating !

Old art but I haven’t posted it here sooo

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Bucky, are you sure you know where we’re going?

[616toro]

May 6th 1924

Happy 98th birthday to the marvel sidekick blueprint! 🥳 Toro the Flaming Kid! Sidekick to the Original Human Torch 🔥

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From Maestro: World War M #003, “End of the Road”

Art by Germán Peralta and Jesus Aburtov

Written by Peter David

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Cover of the Day: Giant-Size Invaders #1 (June, 1975) Art by Frank Robbins, John Romita, & Gaspar Saladino

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Check, pappy…

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Idea: Sidekicks & Side-Characters as Strikers

When I was researching about this guy, I had a thought. . . . Instead of old champs as strikers why not lesser known & obscure characters (e.g. Manbull, Bob, Lockjaw) who may not be good (or possible)as separate [sic] champs.

- RishikNandan

If this were true, name five supporting or side-characters you think would be great Strikers.

I'll start. [Depicted: Bucky, Bonebreaker, Moloids, Toro (Raymond), Birdy]

- Other Gabe

[invaders-forever]

having thoughts about toro's new powers so let's go (ig they aren't "new" anymore, but given that marvels done maybe four things with him since he got them it still feels recent)

obviously this is all theorising w/ a little head cannon thrown in but the whole toro situation opens like, five cans of freaky worms. Honestly, the entirety of all new invaders was establishing cool new stuff that could've gone in really neat directions but i digress (cut bc this got looong)

So first off just starting with the powers themselves. They're actually pretty solid. It more or less makes sense that he could have these powers, and since they are established to be instinctual rather than based on his knowledge of chemistry, him looking at jim, thinking 'i want to be just like him' and then copying the chemical reactions around jim? I like it. I think it works. does it mesh perfectly with other canon? no. but as far as retcons go, it works.

next up, this power is actually a really really good fit for toro as a character. see, toro is a kind of "Smart Guy" archetype, but not in the tony stark i have eight degrees and am the xth smartest person in the world sort of way. he's a detective, yes, but he's also what i'll describe as a mcgyver type. in short, he takes what he's given, information or otherwise, and does whatever the fuck he can with it. examples:

here in The Torch miniseries (2009) he steals a paperclip he uses to (however unsuccessfully) pick a lock. even though he's currently without his powers, he's not helpless. He's taking every advantage he can get his hands on (pun intended)

later in the same story he pretty thoroughly kicks AIM's collective asses with the chains they put him in and a weapon he snatched off a henchman, before overriding the mind control the Torch is under and keeping AIM distracted until Torch can come back and take them out.

this is toro without ANY powers. now, let's give him the ability to take the elements and chemicals around him and change them. he's a problem solver who doesn't give up, who is an expert at piecing things together as he goes, and now he can turn the classic 'put the pyrokinetic in a water tank trap' into a room full of hydrogen and oxygen.

New powers toro is freaking terrifying and he's in the perfect position to get creative with his powers- both showing off an interesting side of his character and making fight scenes that go waaay beyond tradition fight scene fare into some really weird territory, which could be cool.

point the second, his powers have tons of non-combat implications and applications. He could be both a fighter and support ie, namor's dehydrated? drop some h2o on that funky fishman. jim vs fire extinguisher? nah, that's gasoline now. Cap lost/broke his shield? here's a new one. the possibilities for him to help his teammates beyond physically fighting for them are endless. and i think the invaders could use some more of that at this point.

#3- let's talk about mimicry. kind of. so, it's established in all new invaders toro 'created' his fire powers out of a conscious desire to be like his hero, the human torch. AND Jim goes out of the way to point out to namor he could've just as easily imprinted on Namor, and 'grown gills" (not sure how the fuck jim expected him to do that in a pre-2019 invaders world, but it got me thinking) Toro's powers give him a unique ability to fill rolls on the team when members are absent/incapacitated/brainwashed/the villain they're fighting. this could be very cool, and you could really pull the wool over some villain's eyes with 'wait, what invader is this again??" I can see he and bucky getting up to some real tricky shenaniganry.

#4 element of surprise. anyone who's done their homework is expecting 2 fire bois, one stabby assassin, captain goddamn america the first, and a funky fish king. the invaders are a known quantity, they're literally the oldest public superheroes known to most in world villains. suddenly throwing in extra powers on the least publicity seen one would throw villains for one hell of a loop. (bonus points if toro could use some kind of misdirection as to who has the powers and/or make it look like luck or unexplained phenomena, which, as an ex-circus performer, he could probably pull off. funny how that works out)

5- i really just wanted to give an example of where his new powers could've drastically affected cannon, so let's talk about the finale of Invaders 2019 for a minute. In this comic, we've previously established that there is a CHEMICAL compound that can change humans into atlanteans. (it doesn't say specifically about in/Nuhumans/mutants, but since a lot of other things effect them the same or similarly we're assuming there's no major difference here) It's also established that the surface invaders have access to this formula, since Cap and Bucky use it to turn atlantean (and presumably human again, since Bucky isn't blue the next time we see him)

In the finale, the big bad is standing behind a force field thingy that only water breathers can pass through. Great we have Namor. Except BBEG has spent this entire time fucking around with Namor's head and he has the serpent crown. he mind controls namor, who tackles steve and they both go into the water. Now, if Toro had his Nuhuman powers and had previously gotten a look at the chemical compound, he could've replicated it himself. Here he is, with the way to get at the villain that's been messing with and brainwash/manipulating/mindcontroling (very personal for toro) his friend, and who's also trying to end the world. of course toro would take it, and (again with that element of surprise thing) drop out of the sky and at very least distract the villain or separate him from the serpent crown.

So yeah toro's powers + his backstory + his personality could make a real difference and also take his character farther from the boy hostage/Jim's mini-me territory he slips back into in a lot of these team ups.

part two soon i have more thoughts than i thought lol

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Dad/stepdad finding your vibrator hcs

Tommy Shelby, Cillian Murphy, Raymond Leon, Jackson Rippner, Lenny Miller

(All accurate to the universe’s time period)

Tommy Shelby - To say he was shocked would be an understatement. At first he was concerned— were you suffering from hysteria and he didn’t even know? But then he remembered that vibrators have very recently started being used for more… personal activities. He confronted you about it anyway though. You blushed and stuttered out “I- I can explain..” and he found it amusing at first, but he kept his expression stern. It was when you broke down crying that he suddenly softened. “I’m sorry, daddy. Please don’t be mad..” You cried out, making him pull you into a hug and shush you, trying to calm you down. “I’m not mad, love.” He said gently. “Just… tell me what it’s for.. I promise I won’t be mad.” You looked up at him with wide, teary eyes to see if he was being truthful. When you found no sign of a lie, you whispered that you use it for self pleasure, which he already knew. He just wanted to hear you say it. He sighed and shook his head. “You think you’re old enough to be playing with adult toys like this?” He asked, and you muttered out an excuse of how you just turned 18. “Maybe so, but I still don’t think it’s appropriate at your age.” That triggered something inside of you and you whined about how you’re an adult and you can do what you want, acting far too bratty for his liking. “Is that so? An adult, are you?” He had a condescending smirk on his lips and he pretended to think it over, then scoffed a laugh. “Fine then. If you’re an adult I guess I should start punishing you like one.” His tone was noticeably darker now. “Get on the fucking bed.”

Cillian Murphy - He knew he should’ve ignored it, respected your privacy… But he just kept thinking about you using it. The pretty sounds you probably made, the way your cheeks probably became flushed… But then he started thinking about you using it with someone.. Did you have a secret boyfriend? Or were you exploring your sexuality all on your own… Deciding to do the responsible thing, he started planning out when and how to talk to you about all of these new things you may be feeling as a developing young woman. One day he sat down with you, gently told you what he knew and reassured you when you immediately became embarrassed. He told you that it was natural and nothing to be ashamed of… “A young girl like yourself needs someone to guide her, teach her what’s right and how to be safe.” He said softly, brushing your hair out of your face and tucking it behind your ear. “As your father, I’m afraid that role falls on me.” He tried not to seem too excited by the idea. Standing up, he walked over to where the toy was hidden and brought it back over to the bed, handing it to you. “I need to make sure you’re using it the right way. I’d hate for my little girl to get hurt.” He frowned, watching as your eyes widened. He didn’t let you protest as he helped removed your clothes and laid you down on the bed. “Now show me exactly how you’re using it, sweetheart.”

Raymond Leon - At first, he almost mistook it for something else, but when he did a double take, he realized what it actually was. A rush of emotions hit him, the main ones being anger, disappointment, and arousal. Were you turning into a whore? Did he do something wrong when raising you? When you came home one day, he was waiting on your bed, the vibrator next to him. You were immediately hit with a wave of embarrassment and humiliation- good. You started trying to defend yourself, saying it’s not what it looks like. “Don’t try to play innocent.” He scoffed. “Get over my fucking lap.” His voice was so harsh, it made you tear up as you begged him not to. So he roughly grabbed you and pulled you over his thighs, then flipped your skirt up. He spanked you until his hand was burning and there were little welts on your ass. You were sobbing loudly, the pain becoming too much, and with the way you kept squirming and rubbing against his cock, he eventually got hard. He forced the vibrator between your legs, making you apologize for your whorish behavior as you came over and over again until he was satisfied. “Get on your knees.” He demanded and you slid off his lap to the floor, still sobbing and almost hyperventilating from the overwhelming pleasure. “There are consequences for acting like a whore.” He spat, quickly opening his pants to free his cock, making your breath catch in your throat. “So, be a good girl for once and finish what you started.”

Jackson Rippner - He had been trying so hard to be a good father figure- god knows you desperately needed it. But as soon as he found a vibrator hidden away (very poorly) in one of your drawers, he just lost all control. He managed to wait a few days until it was only the two of you in the house, then confronted you. This wasn’t his proudest moment… but he didn’t regret it. “What would your mom think, huh?” He asked, subtly threatening you. “I would hate to have to tell her… but maybe we can work something out.” He said coyly, enjoying the way you blushed and squirmed and pouted. He made you beg for it, for his cock and for him to not tell your mom. Once he had you underneath him with his cock fully sheathed in your little cunt, he practically plowed into you until you cried. “This is your own fault.” He hissed. “The only reason this is happening is because you teased me by leaving it somewhere for me to find.” You sobbed harder and shook your head, unable to do anything else to protest. “You’ve been a fucking tease since day one with those tiny little shirts and the skirts that barely cover your ass… I’m fucking sick of it.” He growled, getting more worked up. “From now on, you’re gonna let me use this cunt whenever I want, or I’ll tell your mom about your little secret, and how you seduced me and begged me to fuck you.”

Lenny Miller - You should’ve known better than to think you could hide things from him. Just like you should’ve known better than to think you could lie to him. But when he confronted you, you denied it. Which he figured you might do… That’s why he set up a camera in your room, hidden in a vent but angled perfectly at your bed. The quality was not the best, but it was good enough to still obviously show what you were doing. He can’t even count the amount of times he came to that footage of you. When you tried lying, he sighed and reached for the remote, already having the tape ready in the tv. The second it turned on, you lips parted in shock and your face paled, then a very dark blush took over your cheeks. “There are a few different ways this can go. Option one: the camera stays up and you can keep the vibrator. Option two: I punish you, then confiscate it, but I’ll take down the camera.” He paused, lowering his voice into something darker and thick with arousal. “Or option three: you show me just how sorry you are for owning something like this. I’m still going to punish you, but if you do a good enough job begging, I might just let you keep it.” He said coyly. He waited impatiently for you to choose and when you couldn’t get any words out, still glancing at the tv, he chose for you. He spanked you until you cried and made you suck his cock to prove you were sorry, then forced you to ride him while you begged for his forgiveness.