#to hell with TERFs/GCs

[ingravinoveritas]

This is absolutely despicable. Rachel Johnson, who put out the Tortoise podcast last year that first addressed the allegations against Neil, now says that she didn't want Neil to be "cancelled" and admits there was an agenda behind the podcast after all.

To be clear, the concerns people expressed last summer did not and have never had anything to do with the allegations themselves, or not believing the survivors. It is crucial and imperative to believe survivors, but believing survivors does not mean that the people presenting these stories have good intentions. It felt like these stories were being sensationalized/treated as true crime "entertainment" instead of being taken seriously, and sadly this article confirms that those suspicions were merited.

What Rachel has done here is center herself instead of the survivors. Not only is she now defending Neil, she states in the article that she first learned of the assaults in October of 2023 and did nothing with them for several months. And in doing so, she has made it clear that when the podcast was released (on the eve of a UK general election) and how it was presented was entirely intentional and aligned with a TERF specific, transphobic agenda.

This is what many of us feared, and it seems that those fears have now been realized.

Since the release of the Vulture article, Neil has (rightfully) been excoriated and cancelled. It should never have even been necessary for the survivors to give such detailed accounts of their ordeals, but we now unfortunately see why it was. Rachel Johnson's comments and the Tortoise podcast now stand to undermine the survivors and the Vulture article alike, and it is beyond shameful and disgraceful...

[iceyrukia]

Coming to terms with how deeply misogynistic men are is one thing but there is something that has left me so hopeless when I see left wing misogyny from women and just how blind they are in not only failing to identify it but re-enforce it in ways male supremacists could only dream of.

Tra misogyny has truly shook me to the core because of it revealing how women’s rights and voices are only for women who “behave” and how women will be met with scorn like never seen before even from people who are supposed to be aware of how misogyny manifests socially, not just systematically. Even though I know gender ideology is utter bullshit, I don’t think I’ll ever forget till the day I die how unforgiving and careless so many “pro-women”, feminist people showed utter vitriol towards women who oppressed them and dehumanized them into misogynistic caricatures with no self-awareness.

For TRAs to think that there are women out there solely dedicated to just selfishly “terrorizing” a group of people for the hell of it, because you know ,old bitter women are not multi-dimensional people, just “the enemy”, no humanity! really shows that deep down they are no different then MRAs who think women are just inherently malicious. “Bad” women are just caricatures and what they do doesn’t merit any earnest listening in that what they are doing and can’t fathom that gc women care deeply about women and are knowledgeable + have a fighting spirit when they’re protesting other women from injustice. Proof of this is how often TRAs can’t even accurately name what “TERFs” really believe and even use the acronym wrong toward people it doesn’t apply to. The anger and deep contempt for women who don’t bed over backwards is hated on all sides of the political spectrum.

[sapphsorrows]

hiding in anon

the more I look and research and read from radfem accounts the more I realize just how wrong a lot of things that are said are

wont say much more for youre doing the work of a champion

thank you <3

it takes a lot of courage to admit you were wrong.

especially for me! i know i can be quite rude/blunt on this blog. i like to think of this blog as a kind of like a radfem blog version of "the atheist experience." it is/was an atheist public access talk show in texas that aired on sundays, and 99% of the callers were christians calling to complain about the show existing or calling to tell the hosts they were wrong and going to hell, and sometimes they'd even get callers that genuinely wanted to talk and learn. i think one of the hosts said something along the lines of "i'm not trying to change the minds of the callers. they probably won't change their minds. i'm trying to change the minds of christians who might be watching." that's what i'm trying to do here. me explaining my position to someone calling me a nazi or a terf won't change their mind, but it might change the mind of someone who has started hate-reading my blog.

that's kind of how i started in the radfem field - by hatereading blogs! i went to the gender critical/terf tag to have a laugh. i have habit of looking up bizarre tags on tumblr to have a laugh, think stuff like #syscourse and #kinphobia and all other kinds of strange discourses you can only find on tumblr. i actually found this one blog (it was kronkk haha) that i would check for like 5 or so days straight just to see what she had to say. at first i was appalled. she was so blunt! she even misgendered blaire white, who i was a huge fan of at the time and thought was on the side of gc people. i couldn't look away for some reason, even though i disagreed. but idk... something just started to click for me. and i was like wait a minute... this whole trans thing. it actually makes no goddamn sense. i don't know how to describe it, but it was like a bubble popped in my mind. it literally burst my bubble. and i was like, what do i even do with this newfound knowledge? no one on my main will listen to me. they'd unfollow and blacklist me. so i made this blog as a space to vent my feelings.

anyway idk why i'm telling you all this. i just wanted you to know i was in your shoes once, and you're not alone!

[breadboylovin]

28 :3

28: A description of the person I dislike the most

omg this question is JUICY. strap in yall im telling you guys the tale of the insane girl i liked in freshman year of high school whose antics landed me in therapy for like the past 4 years

under the cut cus idk how long this will get. also this is from this ask meme

okay so we met online thru the bts fandom. she lived 2 hours away from me and we had a 2 year age difference (i was 15 she was 17)

the first ?!!?!? thing about her was that she was writing like INSANE bts porn fanfic (and i mean insane like. everything she published had at least one ao3 content warning on it) despite being underage. i learned about this in like april 2018 but i was too head over heels for her to care. in june 2018 we finally met irl and went to a science museum and she told me about some of the insane shit she was writing IN THE FOOD COURT while i was trying to eat a shitty subway sandwich. like wow

anyway summer passes and we have a bunch of relationship drama. im not getting into it too much (ive talked enough about it in therapy LOL) but we didnt date, it was an unrequited love thing where she kinda just exploited me for validation cus she was super depressed. anyway at some point we start talking less but she sends me her tumblr discourse blog. and then in september 2018 i found out she blocked me from it so i checked why and SHE HAD TURNED INTO A FULL-ON TERF while pretending she was still cool with our basically all-trans friend group. so naturally i show everyone else and we kick her out of all our gcs. at some point after that she also detransitions (she was a trans guy before which was why i liked her. cus im gay)

so i dont talk to her at all after that because why would i. technically i sent her an apology for something that id fucked up on but that wasnt like... a normal friend conversation yknow. and i assumed that she had figured out that she fucked my whole shit up and i wanted nothing to do with her. but APPARENTLY NOT because in august 2019 i woke up one day with several messages from her on twitter where she was like "omg this new hurricane made me think of you (we both live in florida and this was when hurricane dorian hit us) ^___^ how have you been?? im doing so good im in [MY SISTER'S COLLEGE] for biology and having a great time"

needless to say i was flabbergasted. im pretty sure i had literally woken up from a nightmare ABOUT HER that day and now i had to deal with shaking with anxiety so bad that i could barely talk to my mom over breakfast. i initially tried to be nice and be like "haha wow i havent heard from you in a long time... ummmm if you see me on your campus while im visiting my sister please dont talk to me". but then i went to therapy that night and left mad as hell so the next day i told her off and was basically like "i want nothing to do with you and if you talk to me again ill throw rocks at you". and that was the last time i talked to her

last i heard about her online she had been run off of insane bts porn twitter for being a terf. then she started writing insane porn about figure skaters and got run off of THAT twitter circle too. i hope she never knows peace again god bless

[oodlenoodleroodle]

You have heard of the bouba/kiki effect, now tell me this:

Transphobes, terfs, radfems, gcs, exclusionists, whatever the hell you call yourselves, you are not welcome to participate, your opinions about gender are completely wrong in every way.

[kalamitykas]

A rant about the difference between what some people (GC, TERFs, Incels, etc) think a Trans Person thinks, vs My experience

Hi! I’m kinda tired of seeing comments, memes and people talking about trans people assigning us mentalities, ideas and similar that are just.... made up. A lot of these people look like they have never met a trans people, much less sit down to talk with them, actually ask them. Maybe once in a rally, in a screaming match, but not as HUMAN BEINGS.

So, here is my rant, I want to address some of the most common “ideas” they assign trans people, and how different they are to the experience I have or people I know. So, I have all the things I want to say in one place I can just post as a link the next time I see a toxic meme or the same comments. Feel free to use it in that way.

How many trans people there is

I’ll keep this short, but, basically? There’s less of us than you think. We are LESS than 1% of the population. And guess what? At least half of those people are trans MEN. There’s such a focus from people that hate or ridicule trans people on the trans women, or NB, and then they completely ignore at least half of us.

That’s why people that like to sell hate to then sell a product, or win an election love to send hate towards us. We are not enough to care about antagonising us. If a politician starts spewing anti trans rethorics and hate, he won’t even notice the lose of votes from the Trans people of their local area. And since there’s so few of us, they can say whatever they want about us, and most people won’t know a trans person to know if that is true or not.

So these people, they claim all sort of things, waste the time, money and efforts of media, governments, etc, into stoking all this hate and creating all this panic for a miniscule sector of the population, and people effing believe them. Thus they increase their voters, they sell their shitty products, and we get less and less rights, abuse, deaths, etc. And since most people don’t know us in person, they don’t care.

Menstruation/Period

I’ve seen SO many variants of this. From us “lying to ourselves” about how period works, to full “What, do they bleed from their penises?”. Here’s what I know, and then, my experience. OF COURSE trans people don’t experience periods like most Cis menstruating people do. Heck, most Cis menstruating people have VERY different experiences from one another. It is still not well investigated (what a surprise), so we know little of the Hormonal Replacement Threatment effect on periods for people taking estrogen for transition. There are just beginning to be studies about it. So let me share MY experience. I was warned by my endocronologist that it was VERY likely that I would experience menstrual pains to some degree. And since most women in my family have really painful periods, I knew it was going to suck. I WAS NOT PREPARED. Periods for me are like... slow. Instead of each month, they tend to happen every two to three. But instead of being like 3-7 days of pain, for me it can last from 1 to 3 weeks (luckily, it’s more often 1, 1.5 weeks). Of course I don’t bleed, I don’t have a uterus. But I do get: Cramps, muscle ache, back pain, liquid retention increases. And I’ve slowly learned to notice the cyclic changes to my mood. How painful is it for me? The first time I got it, I thought I had caught SEVERE food poisoning. To the point of almost going to the hospital. But then I talked to my sisters, and they started asking me questions, and it was very similar to what they experienced. Of course, missing lots of parts from their experiences. So, when I see people calling trans people delusional because “we think we’ll get our period”.... guess what, the period is not just the uterus part, there are several parts of the process that are controlled directly by the hormones.  Does this mean that I can talk as if I knew what it feels to be a Cis Menstruating person? Hell no. On the contrary, it has given me a whole level of respect for them. I get the “lite” experience and feels like dying, they have the full effing experience and continue going to work, doing chores, living. Mad effing respect.

We want to replace Cis people

Well... no. As said previously, we are not even 1% of the population. How the hell are we going to replace everyone? That point aside, I haven’t talked to a single trans person that wants to “take over” anyone’s life or role.

The whole reason some trans people starts HRT is not to “become X”, is to get closer to how their identity is versus how their body is. It’s an insanely slow process, but it also allows us to slowly learn better what resonates with us.

Don’t get me wrong, I think (this is MY OPINION) that it’s very common for Trans or NB people to change their mind about their identity. This has less to do with us “lying to ourselves”, and more with us learning the difference between our gender identity and what we’ve been told by society a “man” or “woman” should be. That’s why I’m so grateful that the therapist who was helping me at the beginning of my transition hammered into my head this nugget of wisdom: “Don’t jump to behaviours or changes just because that’s what you think you should be, instead try things, see if they feel natural or not. Gauge who you are by yourself, not by what others say you should.”

Trans people force people to date/sleep with them

This one blows my mind, because it only makes sense in videogame logic. Can you imagine, even if you do that, force someone to sleep with you because “Oh, you like women, you have to like me”, how uncomfortable, weird and straight up unsexy it would be to intimate with them? To be intimate who does not find you attractive? Who doesn’t want to be with you? I mean, forget having fun, I think it would be just horrible to go through.

I’ve never met any person, trans or not, that would think like that. I mean, does it hurt a bit when you meet someone and they tell you “I’m not interested”? Sure. Does it sting a bit more if they mention it is because you being trans? Absolutely. Would I ever consider being intimate with someone I know sees me that way? NOPE. Not a chance.

Trans people want to invade Women’s safe spaces

This one is really painful for me. Because at every step in my transition I’ve been SUPER hesitant about stepping in women’s space. Even virtual ones. I would always ask first to the cis people around me if they are ok with me doing so. Heck, I'm terrified of making someone uncomfortable even to this day on the office toilet, where everyone knows me and are friendly with me. EVERY TIME. I don’t use changing rooms. I think even after I have bottom surgery I won’t. I make my plans so I can change at home. And these are places where I know almost everyone involved. When I have to go to a toilet in a bar or public space? Some days I’ve been so terrified that I would feel nauseous. 

And on top of that, add the fear of meeting someone that has anti-trans views. When I go to the toilet is because that’s what I want to do, use the effing toilet. My ideal situation, every time, is that is empty. That I don’t have to do my biological needs withing ear range from another living thing.  I don’t know to what kind of toilets people that think our “final goal” is to invade women’s toilets go.... but nothing sexy happens there. Each does their needs in a cubicle... you have an awkward moment when you leave and they go in... wash your hands, and leave. Anyone really thinks I’ll suffer dysphoria, the fear of being beaten to death just because people think I’m weird and by monthly pains, just for THAT experience? REALLY?

Trans people have a Fetish

I kind of can understand a little bit, if I’m generous, where this one comes from. It’s still completely wrong and proves that people that spew it have not meet real trans people in a personal level. So, let me give you my two cents of how I view this one:

For a lot of trans people, either by discrepancies between how they felt and how they saw themselves, dysphoria, or social enviroment, it was hard to even impossible to consider seeing themselves as desirable or “sexy”. The amount of times people would tell me they were attracted to me during my life and I was SO confused. I saw myself as ugly, as undesirable. I had friends literally telling me “You are attractive”, and I didn’t believe them. Now, after starting HRT, seeing myself in a different light, even with the severe dysphoria I feel about my body, I do like myself a LOT more. Still consider myself not attractive, but it’s less of a visceral reaction than before.

So, to people that do not have all that context, seeing trans people being more open about their bodies, and them liking their bodies more and being proud, as I say, I kinda can see how they could jump to that conclussion. Still, it proves a lot of them talk about us as if they knew everything about us without really knowing anything at all.

Because here’s a diference between what a lot of people seem to think Gender Euphoria is and what it actually means. When someone experiences Euphoria is not a “sexual arousement”, is not that they “get hard on it”. It means that they feel good about being themselves. They finally feel comfortable in their body. It’s like feeling warming inside out of sheer happyness. Is not a kink, is not a fetish, it’s the same happy feeling any Cis person that achieves their gym goals feel. Ah “Look, I’m happy, I’m not horrible... YAY!”

They are targeting kids because they are perverts

Here’s the one that pisses me off because is a combination of ignorance and malicious lies. The main reason the entire LGBTQ+ collective is so adamant about educating children and young people about gender identity and sexualities has NOTHING to do with “recruitment”.

A lot of people from my generation and previous ones suffered for YEARS, because we didn’t understood why we felt different from everyone else. Because we didn’t even know that other people felt like us. I didn’t knew that trans people EXISTED, much less have enough information to identify that I was trans until I was around 26. My biggest regret is having wasted SO MANY years of my life being miserable because I was trying to fit into a role, identity that wasn’t me, and I couldn’t understand WHY I was miserable. I was doing everything I was told I had to do. EVERY. SINGLE. THING. And I hated it. 

That’s why we want the future generation to have all the information. Of course, 90% of them will never use said information, they are Cis Het and they can continue with their lives happily. But for those who aren’t, having the information to identify how they feel and react, know it’s normal, and have the language to ask for guidance and help, is SO important for their happiness.

Teaching kids about the LGBTQ+ won’t make them something they are not. It will help those who already are, and maybe, hopefully reduce the bullying from those who ain’t. THAT is our goal. People living happier lives.

You only need to say you are trans and you get an appointment for a Gender Affirming Surgery and get started on Hormones instantly

If you believe this... you literally have not talked to a trans person ever. Even in countries that have amazing support for Transition, you can expect waiting lines of months if not years to get your FIRST appointment. And that’s just to start talking about the process. Doctors will ask you a lot of questions, recommend alternatives and therapy consultancy if they have doubts, and that’s if they are well intended. The sheer amount of doctors that set a super high bar to even consider allowing the patient to proceed with the treatment is VERY HIGH. Hell, I’m an adult, my case was super clear for all the doctors involved, and I might still have to wait YEARS before I get my bottom surgery. In a place that has a quite good system. Now imagine you are in places like the UK (where doctors actively block people, and the waiting line is on average 8 YEARS), the US (where you are mostly on your own, and even with money in your hand, doctors can and will still block you), or similar.

And now with the increasing waves of anti-trans rethorics and politicians using us as scape goats? Is getting WORSE.

And don’t get me started on the shit options available to most trans people. Just google the options for bottom surgery available for trans men.... is just depressing.

Laws that allow for self-identification

I had to explain this one SO MANY times to cis people, is not even funny. Again, the concern that if you allow a person to legally change their gender will unlock all sorts of crazy and dangerous scenarios only makes sense if we lived in a videogame. Just because my ID says “female” it doesn’t mean that everyone around me will automatically SEE me as female. Hell, it won’t even change how people treat me. How many people asks for your ID before deciding “what” you are?

Here were I live, Spain, we had a new law that simplified the process of legan gender and name change. I had even doctors asking me “but wouldn’t this create issues?” and when I asked them “Ok, name one situation, in everyday life, where the life of a person would change because of a legal change”. Not a single one of them could name a situation. I wouldn’t magically get access to spaces that I couldn’t access before. And before anyone says “Women’s bathroom”, as I mentioned earlier, I use women’s bathrooms, what prevented me from using them was asking people around me if they were ok with me doing so. Not a magical barrier, not a cop asking for IDs.

Funnily enough, these changes due have some negative impacts.... the other way around. If you live in an area that still has some sexist rules for medical access, it can become REALLY hard for trans men to request gynecologist coverage from their social security. Apparently this is getting better, but still, is dumb that it happens.

Trans people are people that wants to have an easier life

This one is straight up dumb. Because of two factors: a) again, our world does not operate by videogame logic. b) If you feel that women have it easier than man, you have some serious “tunnel vision” case.

Let me give you some examples of how my life has becomed more complex or even scary since I pass as a woman.

- I grew up going to highschool in a nasty neighbourhood, so I quickly learned what body language to use, how to walk, talk, etc, to be “invisible”. To be safe. Guess what? That does not work for women. Since I pass, I’ve had situations were I was terrified and suddenly I had no defenses, no tools to avoid notice. Heck, is even worse, as a trans person, I draw even more unwanted attention.

- Dating? Yeah, nope. Now I not only have to deal with the nasty people cis women have to deal with, I also have to deal with guys that have a trans fetish. And I know a lot of people (probably mostly men) will say “Oh, you are complaining that there are people that want to sleep with you?”. And that fails to understand human relationships. To those people I’m not “attractive”. I’m a piece of meat with a specific tag. I’m like a flavour of icecream. They don’t care about me as a person, just as something that they have a fetish. And is so INSANELY creepy and scary.

- Clothes: If Cis women already have it hard to find decent clothes that fit, now imagine having and even less conventional body shape. Heck, finding shoes that do not suck is almost impossible, I have to use customizing options most of the time. Dresses? 90% don’t fit, or look super weird on me. Trousers? Hah. Shirts is the least painful. Accesories? Impossible. I can’t buy online, because the chances of anything fitting me are non-existant.

TL; DR and Conclussion

The image that memes and social media paints of trans people is so disconnected from reality. Most trans people are just that, people that are trying to fit better in their body, in their experience, in their life. We don’t want special treatment, special rights, we just want to be treated as people. And a lot of those views and rethorics encourage people to treat us as much less than that. We are constantly bombarded with comments of “You’ll kill yourself eventually”, “you’re just a pervert”, “you are delusional”. We are treated as if we were the monsters, but what hurts more is that is done in a monstrous way.

I’m not going to ask for empathy or sympathy, because in this day and age, it seems that’s an effing BIG ask. I’m just asking for understanding. In the same way that if someone tells you the sky has turned green, you would turn around and look to check, if someone says something that sounds like trans people “is out of their mind, to cartoonish levels”... maybe double check that? Maybe ask a trans person? Just to confirm. “Hey, is it true that you people believe X?”.

It’s tiring to be dehumanized constantly, by the internet, by politicians, by celebrities. Specially when we see people spend so much time demonizing us and wasting resources on passing laws to make our life even more complicated or impossible, when the world around us has SO MANY THINGS that are important to fight for. Does it make sense that with the state of so many countries, so many politicians put everything on hold to debate if a trans person has the right to a legal name change? Instead of talking about how more and more people can afford to eat and pay rent? They are using us as a distraction, so most people are angry at us, and not at them for not fixing the shit that NEEDS fixing. Stop dancing to their tune. If you don’t care about trans people enough to see us as humans, at the very least, care about yourself enough to not be distracted by the hate manufactured against us to keep you from paying attention.

[loser-female]

Thoughts on Gender Critical: recruitment video by Cealan Conrad

I definitely support the way they did the research because it's how I would do it.

Here the link. Please don't go and harass them. All of these points are about GC facebook groups and they seem to be as much of a conservative cesspool as GC twitter is.

1. I think using "dog whistle" outside of the context of white nationalism/racism is disingenuous.

2. Radical feminism is trans exclusive but not necessarily anti-trans, and the same could be said about not believing that gender is innate: in itself this belief doesn't negate the idea that some people are GNC, that someone might feel at discomfort with their body and such.

3. Stop saying queer FFS (just annoying)

4. I agree that going to GC groups asking for advice on a trans child isn't probably the way to go.

5. Yes, they have a point on homophobia not being called out.(But I have 0 experience with "gender critical" groups on FB)

6. The antivaxxers using radical feminism to justify being an antivax are so fucking weird to me. "There is little difference between a penis and a needle if it's against our will" it's a fucking offensive phrase that I can't wrap my head around it.

7. Fucking hell that group is full of nutcases (relating to transhumanism conspiracy theories).

8. I probably said it before and I'm going to say it again: yes, going after people for their appearance is shitty. Yes I also agree that these are hatred based circlejerk.

[25 min in] - Recruitment Techniques

9. I don't think that being gender critical is a cult, I don't believe being trans is a cult and I think we should stop using words like that to describe a group with unpopular opinions.

10. They are talking about how cults work. And okay, I know, but still doesn't apply to the situation presented.

11. I know it can be seen as performative from my side because I'm white too, but I also dislike the comparison to white supremacists - the threat a bunch of people pose posting in a closed group is very different from people that have access to guns and police. Women don't have that kind of power on trans people.

12. I had no idea people were monetising off gender critical stuff like that btw o.o

13. Regarding the parents: of course they are scared! If I told my mom I suddenly want something so out of character for me that's extremely expensive and risky why wouldn't she be worried?

14. [they show few podcasts etc recommendations featuring mostly conservative men]. Yes, I've noticed that too.

15. The comments by GCs over the TIF 11yo thinking they want to kill themselves are legitimately awful and dangerous. Calling a 11yo a narcissist is stupid.

[1h in]

16. "TERF doesn't describe them anymore?" And when it did? A radical feminist wouldn't cite a conservative man as a source, would she?

17. We're both bisexual Cealean, and as bisexuals we don't have the right to police lesbians and gay men when they say that they are attracted by sex. It doesn't matter to us, but it matters to them and we should respect that.

18. The disgust and dehumanisation part is very interesting!

19. And they are right about the taking pictures of others and mocking them. It's disgusting and creepy behaviour.

20. Yup, they are right when they say that people consume shit just for the sake of fueling a prejudice. This is something that on radblr happens less because no one likes the sites that do, fortunately.

21. Yeah, Posie Parker is not a friend.

22. I also agree with his talk about transphobia because well, it's the definition.

___

Overall I think their criticism is fair enough, and I think we should do better in kicking conservatives out of radical feminist spaces. I also think that people who do nothing but mock trans women online are useless to the movement overall. These are real and fair complaints I agree with.

Also, they got called a TERF for making this long series of videos explaining why gender critical is bad which is ridiculous. I absolutely disagree with a lot of the things said in the video but this clearly is not good faith criticism. And they have a problem with performativity too - "the moment they have to put in a ounce of labour they back off" it's so real.

I don't think I will watch the rest of the series. I'm considering maybe writing them an email and go over some of my points, but it would require more work I'm willing to put up with.

[spoonbread5]

God, TERFs piss me the Hell off and I’m cis (with unfortunate traits that would guarantee me getting the cops called by one of em). Mainly because they act like *they’re* the smart ones while behaving as though a cis-woman couldn’t break another cis-woman’s bones. Or thinking that the bathroom of a Wal Mart or an Ollie’s is some sacred grove they must protect.

They're bigots for the same reason as Maga, they are allowed to hate and it goes one way. Historically gc radfem started the fight, we can see who they are by platform, by supporters, by those marching with.

No other form of feminism needs or wants this or has a record of lynching other feminists.

They protest national level womens orgs over inclusion votes vs under 1%

I've never been lying on GC radfem seeks to remove minority status across multiple whole nations, USA and Scotland being hude examples.

Why? Their base is evil and stupid, gc radfem leadership does transphobia as their living wages, as their job.

You don't see GC radfems in human rights orgs or even functional women's orgs.

[ingravinoveritas]

question: can you point out some comments where rachel makes anti trans statements? timestamps? i'm not doubting you or anything by the way i'm just too stupid to understand

Hello, Anon. First of all, you are not stupid, so please don't put yourself down that way. If there's one thing we've learned from recent events, it's that some people go to great lengths to hide who they are/what their true feelings are about certain things. I know very little about Rachel Johnson myself (other than that she is Boris's sister), but it's become increasingly clear that she cloaked herself in the stories of these survivors to further her own transphobic agenda. She used that as a cover and has only become more forthright now that it seemingly backfired on her.

Second, in regard to comments made by Rachel, I would simply suggest reading this entire article written by her from April of last year. She defends J.K. Rowling--which speaks volumes on its own--but there are plenty of other comments that make her position crystal clear:

I hope this helps to answer your question. Thanks for writing in! x

[mithliya]

Hey you don’t have to publish this publicly but idk I’m getting exhausted regarding the double standard in the terf and gc community towards Arabs/Muslims/Desis, there’s just so much hatred and I finally understand what my professors meant by “white feminism”. They claim they’re against religion but celebrate Christian events but god forbid i mention ramadan or eid. “Oh we just hate all men” but god forbid you post a non-white or non-asian man in their thirst threads or channels. I just wanted a community that defends LGB people while pointing out the fallacies of TRAs and embraces GNC people but i didn’t expect to get slapped with racism like that. And it’s not like a lot terfs embrace gnc people they demonise them to hell and back.

Sorry if this was too much idk i think you’re the only one that might understand how i feel.

the double standards is very blatant to me as well. this is why i insist on criticising these religions equally and oppose ppl who criticise one but justify the other. also many of them are so keen on misconstruing anyone born into islam that even slightly questions them as somehow supporting the religion. it’s manipulative af

[2-point-5]

gc in that post means gender critical aka terf. They're using 💜🤍💚 now to like find each other (it used to be🏁 i think) which sucks especially bc that's also the genderqueer flag colors

i was gonna say it looked like the genderqueer colors... jfc that's stupid as hell

[barbiedreamdyke]

resets the “days since I was called a terf over ace discourse” counter to 0

seriously. you freaks have got to stop conflating any politics you don’t like with terfs. no, saying cishet aces are not lgbt is not terf rhetoric.

hell, saying all aces aren’t lgbt is not terf rhetoric! saying bi people are not lgbt is biphobic, but not terf rhetoric! saying q*eer is a slur is not terf rhetoric! terf rhetoric specifically and directly ONLY harms trans women by dehumanizing them, reviling them, and in some cases actively murdering them. stop using it as a scary word for “mean lesbian I don’t like” to pat yourself on the back. to you people who use terf like it’s salt on your fucking popcorn, ask yourself: do I know any trans women? do I help and aid any trans women I know? do I uplift and raise trans women’s voices? do I support trans women’s businesses, or contribute to their donation funds? do I value them as beautiful, multifaceted people, or do I use them as a discourse chip? is my support of trans women limited to saying trans women are women? would I put myself between a trans sister and harm’s way? would I offer my home to her? do I know the names of the trans women who have been murdered by police and the institution, or in hate crimes? the answer is probably fucking no.

you can call me a terf all you want when you pay off a trans woman’s gcs, okay, freaks?

[intersexelphie]

kinda wanna spread some love for other trans people who get discouraged and upset seeing the terfs on your page:

i'm a trans and nonbinary afab person, i'm gnc, and i'm perfectly fine the way i am. so is every other trans/enby person. us being gnc or even gc doesn't make us not our actual gender(s). i can wear dresses or suits or blouses or crop tops or no top at all and i'm not harming anyone by dressing how i please. plus size trans people are especially allowed to wear whatever the hell they want, because they deserve to feel happy and comfortable in their skin as well. we deserve to be seen, to have our voices heard, to be respected, and we can make fulfilling lives for ourselves. we all fight against terfs and other bigots in our own little ways, even if it's just by existing. they may be winning battles and pushing their transphobia in places, but there are more kind and caring people in the world than there are bigots, and we will win the war for our rights. keep on living and surviving my friends. i believe in you all. drink water, eat something, stretch, and take a moment to enjoy some sunlight. much love to everyone 💙💖🤍💖💙

^^^^^^^

Thank you ❤️

[spoonbread5]

Naw fam you used recycled homophobia off the jump.

I do hold radfem 2nd wave and GC radfem in their correct places.

Which terf you want dirt on Hungerford you use the slur her hate group invented.

Kieth, Burchil Bindel Brennan, Greer, Belos, hell I can name more radfems off my head in current circulation than you. Never mistake facvtual accuracy vs you as false bud.

Name a gc radfem I don't know about I should know of.

Radfem orgs are dubious

Explain why?

and why can we comfortably all say we support the National Organization of Women, they do all they say and try all we ask.

So explain the difference between the two?

Honestly I've noticed that a lot of the anti-terf shit is like McCarthyism

Like the "if they talk about feminism a lot they're probably a TERF"

reminds me of the shit like "If they talk about workers rights they're probably a communist"

Like damn maybe kind of accurate but how is there no "are we the baddies" moment here?

Like seriously what is this shit bro? @oarfishing  https://www.tumblr.com/oarfishing/758650339125821440/alright-im-sick-of-seeing-terfisms-on-my-dash?source=share

[icaruskey]

My sleep meds haven't kicked in yet and I want to take a crack at this.

You're never gonna understand transphobia until you realize that the vast majority of it is abou trans women.

Incredibly narrow viewpoint, completely ignores how C/AFAB folks are almost always discussed as the lost lesbian trope, thus making it very easy for almost everyone to miss that we're being talked about at all. Meanwhile C/AMAB folks who are not trans women get lumped in with trans women if they're considered sufficiently femme presenting enough. Or don't exist at all. Which is worse.

So, in a word, this is factually incorrect when you actually look at what TERFs say. JKR is a prime example. Literally half of her manifesto is about trans men. Her mask off moment was about gender neutral language around menstruation. Unless I massively missed something, she didn't bring up trans women in the latter topic specifically until it came to defining womenhood.

In almost all the rhetoric, trans women are the targets, trans men and non-binary folk are the collateral damage.

Provably wrong. But cite your sources and I can go through them.

I'm not saying either experience is better or worse. They both suck in unique ways.

The "but" is implied. But yes, hypervisibility and hyperinvisibility are both terrible. Especially when the latter means you can't even get proper statistics about hate crimes about your own demographic because they get reported as violence against your AGAB instead.

You won't ever see trans men accused of transitioning to indulge in some "sick fetish."

Every trans man unironically called a fujoshi would like a word with you. Just because there's not a fancy sounding pseudo-intellectual word for it doesn't mean that this doesn't exist.

And just because you immediately dropped nonbinary people: AMAB nonbinary people.

Trans men don't get accused of transitioning to access male spaces (even though that's where all the power is).

Not only is this funny because it's so clearly wrong (the whole GC thing being trans men wanting to become men to access power and escape womanhood which she later addresses in her own way later) but also lately there's been this weird idea of "AFAB privilege" going around on tumblr. Because pointing out that being a non-passing trans man or growing up as a woman means you're familiar with female oppression and can still be attacked for "being" a woman is... a privilege I guess.

Conversely, trans men get a patronizing empathy that trans women never receive.

I want to point out how OOP is framing this as a positive. It's a positive that we're getting patronized.

But guys, mansplaining is bad because it's patronizing, remember?

If TERFs treated me like a trans man, they'd tell me how sad it is that I found manhood so restrictive that I couldn't live within it. They'd pity me for falling prey to "gender ideology."

And if they can't convince you back into the closet, they'll demonize you, call you a gender traitor, set people on you, isolate their children away from you, and wish death upon you.

If TERFs treated me like a trans man, they'd see me as a victim, not a threat.

Until they decided their precious baby girl experimenting with her gender identity is a result of ROGD from being exposed to you, and then you're the villain and deserve to go to hell.

Transphobes mourn infertile wombs and removed breasts, but they mock neo vaginas and breast augmentation.

I can promise you that male transphobes have extremely visceral reactions to the thoughts of a trans woman removing her penis.

And at least there's a wealth of knowledge about transitioning MtF. I didn't even know that T wouldn't make me properly infertile and isn't a good means of bc if I was interested in sex.

Also you realize that the "mourning" is just as much a mockery and just as cruel as what you experience? You said these are equally bad but the way you're framing your argument, trans men get off light.

And I have to repeat, you mentioned nonbinary folks and immediately dropped them. And there's even more complexity when we talk about intersex and coercive gender assignment and modification...

Trans men ask to be included in these conversations, and then trans women get accused of erasing women. We have no personal stake in abortions, no prominent voice. Still, we get demonized, whilst trans men still get ignored.

Then how about instead of whining, you use your voice and platform to uplift the voices that matter in said conversations?

Trans women are still the target, defying all logic.

So are other trans people, but TERFs and transphobes can't call trans men men because that implies we have power and autonomy.

Sorta like how when there's intra-community fighting, we're labelled as men and it's forgotten that we are trans too (and not all of us are actually men).

Meds are kicking in. Night

What the hell is this thread that I came across

A classic sentiment ofc but the replies really show how much the community is blind to/ignores VERY COMMON acts of transphobia to transmascs.

“You won’t ever see trans men accused of transitioning to indulge some “sick fetish””

Gay trans men face literally face that all the damn time.

“Trans men don’t get accused of transitioning to access male spaces”

This is a joke right?

This part of the thread is op having no clue of the extremity of infantilization. Terms believing transmascs shouldn’t have their own bodily autonomy is not “empathy”, it’s viewing transmascs as less than and thus incapable of making their own decisions.

“They mourn infertile wombs and removed breast”

yeah whilst ridiculing phalloplasty and top surgery. And even if it was just mourning and no mocking, that is still just as bad. They’re mourning our infertile wombs because to them, we’re not accessible baby factories anymore, and with no breast, we’re not sexually appealing anymore. Again downplaying ensues.

Yea trans women are accused of erasing women, but here’s a shocker, SO ARE TRANS MEN, CONSTANTLY. Every time we ask to be included, we’re told to shut up. To me op is just living in their own world and refuses to step out of their echo chamber or something because this is one of the most ridiculous threads I’ve come of cross.

Viewing the oppression of trans men and trans women in this binary mindset is ridiculous. “Trans men ONLY get infantilized and trans women ONLY get demonized”

“Trans men ONLY get “empathy”, and trans women ONLY get mocked”.

The lack of nuance kills me