#tony mccarroll's book

[loiutrdxfyuio]

getting him to join

from the get go liam's plan hadn't been to merely impress noel by being in a band, it was to get noel IN the band

liam is at first desperate and then genuinely thrilled to get noel, whereas noel is deliriously happy about having louise

but yes, the mission was to get noel in at any cost. kind of like baby trapping someone, but with a band instead of a baby

imagine liam jumping through all these hoops for paul?

so what's it like now that you've successfully smuggled your one and only into the band? must be pretty nice, right? well...:

cutting two-word review... seldom seemed to show any positive emotion towards liam... noel's smile seemed to vanish...

yeah ...

so these are from tony mccarroll's book which is well worth a read or ten

[lochallthedoors]

Radio X, 31 May 2023 Q: If you could pick an Oasis tune right now, what would you pick? Noel: It's always going to be "Supersonic." Always. Just for the—just for how it came about that night. And it still sounds amazing to me when I hear it. I just remember the circumstances of—you know, we were going to record "Bring It On Down" 'cause Alan McGee wanted it to be our first single, and we couldn't get it right...

[oacest]

Hi I would like to delve deeper into the oasis lore and was wondering if you have any book recs ?

I read that the supersonic book (containing all the interviews from the doc) is quiet extensive, and obvi from the sources themselves, but maybe you have other Recs that you found interesting?

we were delighted to get this ask, bc yes yes YES we DO have loads of opinions on the oasis books! Be aware that most of these cover sort of the same time period (my spirit mourns for an in-depth book dealing with the mid-to-late aughts). Presumably every publishing house in the UK circa 1996 was offering book deals to randos if they heard the name "Oasis", but these are the best ones (there are, if you can believe it, many more):

The Supersonic interviews are a definite rec -- they're exhaustive, cover way more than the doc suggests, and feature a lot more voices too. The editing job is astounding. Definitely be aware while reading that the interviews were conducted in 2015; with Oasis especially, facts and feelings change depending on time, mood, the wind, whether one is hungover, etc

Brothers from childhood to Oasis by Paul Gallagher. If one never reads any other book on Oasis, they should read this. In fact, no one is permitted to have an opinion on Noel or Liam without having read it. Paul has his blindspots, as one would expect with any sibling, but he also ofc knows his brothers and what makes them tick in a way no one else on the planet does, so!

Oasis: what's the story? by Ian Robertson. This one is somewhat controversial; the author was a bodyguard/security coordinator for Oasis and people understandably have opinions on that. Imo he's a good enough writer that he has a very clear authorial voice and perspective, which makes any worry about being fed lies moot so long as one has a brain. I appreciate he also takes some artistic risks in this book. Also, regardless of his flaws as a man or employee lol, he has a keen, at times painfully empathetic read on Liam specifically. iirc he was the only person who wrote about Oasis in those early years who had a front row seat to Liam's voice/throat problems, which lends a somewhat Cassandraic air to the whole book.......

Getting high: the adventures of Oasis by Paolo Hewitt. Oh, Paolo. What can we say. You have to read this one because it covers so much ground, just be aware it's badly written and the author is quite biased towards Noel. (I say this as a Noelist myself)

Was There Then: A Photographic Journey by Jill Furmanovsky. This is a photography book (and a fucking beautiful one) but it also has a TON of text background. Critically, it offers a perspective on the band/brothers missing from all the rest in this list -- that is, the view and impressions of two women who worked closely with the band (Jill herself and Daniela Soave, a music journalist)

Oasis, definitely by Tim Abbot. This one had a lot of personality and abbot was a creation guy so he knew the band pretty well.

Take Me There: Oasis' Story by Paul Mathur. Mathur was a Melody Maker journalist who followed them around in the early years. He had a pretty fair take on them.

The Truth: my life as Oasis's drummer by Tony McCarroll. So, obviously Tony hates Noel, like. A lot. You have to approach this book like you're giving a hostile witness a cross examination lol but THAT SAID, he does cover stuff missing from other books like pre-deal Oasis.

[wisegentlementyrant]

I've read Tony McCarroll's book "Oasis - The Truth: My Life As Oasis's drummer" and I took a bunch of screenshots, so I'm posting them.

[charlestrask]

from tony mccarroll's book.

[acquiescest]

I'm freaking out someone pleaseeeee summarize the lore of the relationship between these two because I'm losing my mind

welcome to the insanity, friend! there's too much lore to summarize, you really just have to fully immerse yourself, but i'll try to do a little starter pack thing

start here→ supersonic documentary

some gcest things: loch lomond, lock all the doors/my sister lover trilogy, guess god thinks i'm abel, you jealous, whatever this was, we had sex last night, wonderwall, lovecomedy's post, snickfic's primer.... and the fic everyone's referencing lol

some other documentaries: knebworth 1996 (about their biggest gig), definitely maybe (about their first album), as it was (liam's comeback documentary from 2019, this one's very pr driven, i would suggest watching it after you've dug into the lore a bit), noel chatting with gibson (2023)

there's a bunch of books written about oasis, of note is the one written by their brother. some others by: paolo hewitt (2 books), tony mccarroll, iain robertson

l4e is a forum that has been going a long time and has lots of info. add site:live4ever.proboards.com to your google search 👍

oasis interviews archive has interviews from the 90s and 00s

the oasis subreddit (ugh) is not bad if you're looking for something specific and aren't getting results on l4e. also good for checking out what other fans are saying (youtube comments are great for that too lmao)

and ofc the music: 7 oasis albums (first 2 are the best) and tons of amazing b-sides and demos, 2 albums from beady eye (oasis after noel left), 4 albums from noel gallagher's high flying birds plus a few EPs, and 3 liam gallagher solo albums

and there's various other projects— like liam's album with john squire, and the 3 songs noel co-wrote for the black keys

[coolxconfused]

New interview the BBC did with The Real People after the reunion announcement and they're talking about Liam's star quality again:

It was the early hours of the morning, but the bar of the Columbia hotel in London's Lancaster Gate was packed with musicians who were in the capital for gigs, or just hanging out at what had become the go-to haunt for artists and performers in the early 1990s.

Then, like a scene from a western, the noise gave way to a hush, then a near silence, and all eyes turned towards the door.

Ian Prowse, who at that time was in the signed Liverpool band Pele, was among the drinkers, and he too angled his gaze to see who or what had brought everything to a standstill.

"This guy had walked in, and there was just something about him, an aura, some sort of magic," he says.

Behind the enigmatic young man swaggering his way into the bar was Tony Griffiths, one of the two brothers who were the creative engine of the Liverpool band The Real People.

Prowse caught up with The Real People's bass player and singer and asked him who the guy was, and was told it was "his mate Liam".

At this point, the name Liam Gallagher meant little to most people, but to Tony Griffiths, he and his band were going to be "the biggest thing ever".

"This was a few months before they had anything out," says Prowse. "They were unknown. But he was able to just walk into a packed bar at four o'clock in the morning and turn heads."

Liam Gallagher’s charisma had made an impression, but Prowse was yet to hear the fledgling band's sound. When he returned home to Liverpool, he asked his agent – whom his band shared with Oasis – to let him listen to something by this new group.

"He played me this track," he says, "and I just thought, 'Whatever we're doing, it's not this'. It just wasn't capturing the zeitgeist the way this was."

The recording he'd heard was Supersonic, which was written and recorded in one day in December 1993 at the Pink Museum Studio in Lark Lane, Liverpool, with The Real People's Tony Griffiths on backing vocals.

According to former Oasis drummer Tony McCarroll's 2010 book The Truth, Tony and his brother Chris were "integral" to the creation of the song, which would be released in April the following year to huge acclaim.

Oasis, which consisted of Noel and Liam Gallagher, McCarroll, Paul 'Bonehead' Arthurs and Paul 'Guigsy' McGuigan, were at that time as much a Liverpool band as a Manchester band, cutting their teeth at venues such as Le Bateau and The Krazy House, where they supported The Real People.

It was striking the relationship with The Real People that put Oasis on the road to stardom.

'Your kid's a star'

The Real People had been around since 1987, and by 1989 were signed to Columbia Records. Soon afterwards they sold 100,000 copies of their eponymous album, whose shuffling drums, overdriven guitars and Beatle-esque harmonies won them an international following.

By contrast, Liam Gallagher was still at school and Noel was yet to pen the soaring sentiments of Live Forever in the warehouse in which he had a decidedly un-rock 'n' roll job as a British Gas sub-contractor.

Chris and Tony would meet the Gallagher brothers in 1992, while The Real People were on tour with the Inspiral Carpets, for whom Noel was a roadie.

"I would always take my own Pot Noodles with me on tour and he'd come over and be after one, so that’s how we struck up conversation," says Chris Griffiths.

"But when we met Liam, we were saying to Noel, 'Your kid's a star, he is'. And this is before we'd even heard him sing.

[...]

For Griffiths, their success was as much down to Liam's star quality as the music or musicianship.

"Noel was a good musician, but he was no [Ocean Colour Scene lead guitarist] Steve Craddock. A lot of it was down to Liam, his attitude and his voice.

[...]

Read the full article to learn more about The Real People's involvement and the early days here

[theblackcatsaloon]

Finally started to read Tony McCarrolls’ book, so far having a good laugh.

[praypanic]

wait I haven't heard about noel telling liam they were shit when he first saw them, do you happen to have a source for that or know when he said it

yeah, tony mccarroll talks about it in his book. (which. tony IS biased against noel. but noel has also said that whats in it is probably all true so. make you want out of that)

liam invited noel to see the first gig that they ever played as oasis at the boardwalk (so this is '91 i think?). according to tony, noel was really excited seeing them and telling his girlfriend at the time how good they were. but when liam asked afterwards he LIED and said he thought they were shit, which apparently made liam really upset and tony had to tell liam the truth to cheer him up.

[loiutrdxfyuio]

so there are a few things that make me think liam is a SA survivor:

this quote about his mother's male 'friend' harming him in some unspecified way:

2. this interview, where a dead-eyed and mirthless liam is talking about being a 15-year-old hooker:

3. somewhat unusual/inappropriate behavior often seen in people whose boundaries have been violated that liam also sometimes exhibits, e.g. 1996 mtv awards:

4. this VERY weird and disturbing thomas quote about liam 'kissing him':

5. bigun sending a teenage liam to a 'car wash client's house' with a letter suggesting something sexual involving liam and said client 'as a joke' (source: tony's book)

i can't help but think 'wtf is wrong with all these men surrounding him?!'... i also think it was very easy for noel to take advantage of what liam has said was his greatest fear as a youngster ('his mom and brothers being unhappy').

[starshapedoasis]

why would they have Andy sign an NDA? Like just as an in general thing?

Sorry anon I didn’t see this when you sent it 😔

Yeah, just as a general thing/ based on my own personal experiences, I worked as a personal assistant for a band for like 6 months. They made me sign 2 non-disclosure agreements. Mind you, these guys were not that famous. So for a big band like Oasis, I can’t imagine what they have people who work for them sign. Also, I could see them wanting to keep their employees more “in line” after Tony McCarroll wrote his book.

[oacest]

In 1992, just a year after forming the Rain, Oasis had gotten the chance to play on a regional TV show. The performance took place on July 18th, 1992 for an event called The Blackpool Roadshow, who had won a contract to supply programming to the annual ITV telethon. The nature of this broadcast has remained a mystery, due to sparse and sometimes misleading information regarding the broadcast (including in Tony McCarroll's book Oasis: The Truth, where he mistakenly refers to this event as "Granada Red Nose Day 1993", despite Red Nose Day being broadcast by the BBC).

According to McCarroll, Oasis performed at the Granada Studios using the host's gear. After a few drinks at the Rover's Return Pub, they went onstage to a small audience of about 12 Granada staff, some members of the Salvation Army and a local school choir (some of whom were supposedly were frightened by frontman Liam Gallagher's aggressive stare). A short while later, the cameras began to record and the host, Alvin Stardust, came out, introducing Oasis as having "just flown back to be with us from their tour."

To which Liam replied, "We've just come from Burnage, dickhead. We ain't on fuckin' tour," causing the crowd to laugh. The frontman stared the host offstage, and the band began to mime along to a tape of their early song "Take Me". After the performance, the band began to round up their crew and head offstage when they were almost hit by a jeep. This caused Liam to become annoyed and shout, "The fuck you think you're doing, dickhead?"

The driver (actor Simon Gregson) replied with an obscene gesture. Upon seeing this, Liam ran up to the car, which was stopped at the gate to the studio. The security guard opened the gate at the last minute.

(x)

[rosewatergrapefruit]

I’ve spent sooooo much money on oasis paraphernalia the last nine months you really think I would have pulled the trigger and paid the ~40 for the two paolo Hewitt books and the tony mccarroll book and the brother book. Well what if I was scared

[charlestrask]

have you read the oasis books? which one do you think is the most informative when starting to get into oasis lore?

yes iirc ive read supersonic uncut interviews, iain robertson's whats the story?, in the middle of reading the 33⅓ definitely maybe book by alex niven, paolo hewitt's getting high & forever the people, paul mather's take me there, tony's oasis: the truth, and paul's brothers: from childhood to oasis.

i would say if you're starting out the absolutely most important one to read is brothers: from childhood to oasis. it gives you a lot of necessary context about how they grew up that isnt in supersonic (im assuming anyone in the starting stages of getting into oasis has already seen supersonic, and if you haven't you need to) and also i think paul's perspective on both of them is really interesting. second most important is the supersonic uncut interviews, and then third most important are the paolo hewitt books although i do think he is noticably biased towards noel (the same way tony mccarroll is noticably biased towards liam) but they're an interesting look into oasis At The Time rather than retrospectively.

[acquiescest]

btw here's all the smiths bits from tony mccarroll's book (which should be read with a handfull of salt) noel's smiths obsession started at the end of 1983, so he literally calls tony a faggot and then goes home to stare into morrissey's eyes sjhgsksk

And, in 1987ish, Tony and Guigsy's hooligan gang:

noel really said 'this is a fag's only event' shsgsh fr though, assuming there's truth to this, i think it really sums up noel and tony's relationship. noel never trusted tony with any of his vulnerabilities (and in the end noel was proven right not to)

[howaminotinthestrokesyet]

Married With Children: Paul McGuigan (Guigsy)

Paul McGuigan aka Guigsy was born on May 9, 1971 In Manchester, England. His music career effectively began as a founding member of Rain and bass guitarist, which he started with Paul "Bonehead" Arthurs, Chris Hutton, and Tony McCarroll. After Hutton was asked to leave the band, Guigsy invited his former schoolmate Liam Gallagher to become the new lead vocalist. Paul served as the primary bass player on tour for Oasis, but Noel Gallagher stepped in to play some of the bass parts on the first two albums. A rumor began to form over the years that neither he nor Bonehead actually played on the first two albums. Producer Owen Morris would eventually refute this story. In 1995, Guigsy gave this answer when asked about his bass playing style."When I first started I just played up and down the top string of the bass. Come to think of it, that's what I still do now."

He would leave the group in 1999, which coincidentally represented the same year that rhythm guitarist Bonehead left the group. Noel would later say that McGuigan left Oasis by sending a fax, then would not answer repeated attempts to contact him in subsequent weeks. He would go on to cut all major ties with the group, declining to be interviewed for the 2004 DVD Definitely Maybe and the 2016 documentary Supersonic. Noel would say in an interview for the latter documentary that the band served as a “lowly fifth” on the list of the guitarist's priorities preceded by "cricket, Doctor Who, weed, and Man City.” His favorite hobby has always been supporting Manchester United. McGuigan would tell Rolling Stone in 1996 that “watching football is my main hobby. Watching football, watching videos about football, reading about football and talking about football. That's pretty much all I care about.” He even co-wrote a book about soccer player Robin Friday entitled The Greatest Footballer You Never Saw with journalist Paolo Hewitt. More recently, Paul has been performing as a DJ much like his former bandmate Bonehead.