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Tarot Systems: a look at RWS and TdM
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Introduction
I have been a Tarot reader since 2019. Yet not once was I told of the existence of different Tarot systems, if not in early 2023 (when I officially started studying Marseille-based decks). That is because, being an Rider-Waite-Smith reader surrounded by Rider-Waite-Smith resources, I had never even assumed there could be different systems out there.
I guess you could say that this is the beauty of learning: the more you learn, the more yu question everything and (if you are lucky) the more you find out that what you used to take for granted should not have been taken for granted at all.
The objective of this blog is to illustrate the main differences between two of the most popular Tarot systems: the Tarot de Marseille (shortened, TdM) and the Rider-Waite-Smith Tarot (shortened, RWS). To do so, I have decided to divide this post into three “chapters”. First and foremost, we are going to take a look at the history of Tarot and the origin of both types of deck: this way, we will be able to better understand the differences that gave birth to the two systems. Secondly, I will be discussing how to tell a TdM-based deck from an RWS one. Lastly, I will indeed explain how the two systems work differently when it comes to divination.
I have purposefully decided not to include Aleister Crowley’s Thoth Tarot (which would be the third most popular Tarot system), due to my lack of knowledge on the subject.
One disclaimer I feel like adding is the following: not everybody is going to agree with what I have to say, and that is fine. Matter of fact, Tarot is heavily based on personal preference and personal beliefs: there is no Tarot reader that reads the same way another does. For this reason not only are there going to be cartomancers who claim that there is no thing such as “different Tarot systems”, but there will eventually also be Marseille readers just like myself who claim that there are many more differences between TdM and RWS (that I might have omitted). Still, each and every point of view is valid and should as such be respected.
Without further ado, let us get started.
Chapter 1 - History
For the sake of staying on topic, I will only provide you with a summarised history of Tarot. For a further reading, I recommend you to visit Tarot Heritage.
Games based on playing cards were most probably imported from China to the Islamic world in the last few centuries of the Middle Ages. Such decks (called Naibes) were later on distributed by Mameluks to Europe: thus, the Minor Arcana (and their four suits) were born.
We will run into the birth of a fifth suit (the now-called Major Arcana, which were then named “Trionfi”) only in 1425 circa, when duke Filippo Maria Visconti of Milan decided to commission a Tarot deck. He had asked specifically for representations of Christian allegories, including values (Strength, Temperance) and temptations (the Devil).
The deck we have just mentioned, the Visconti-Sforza Tarot, is the ancestor of the Tarot de Marseille (both the iconography and the structure of the Italian deck seem to have passed the trial of time). In fact, sheets of uncut cards dating to the first years of the 16th century have been found in Northern Italy and they might just have been the first ever decks to have been distributed to the common folk. Around the mid-16th century, Marseille is going to become the most important center of production of Tarot decks: for this reason, the decks printed here will be called “Tarot de Marseille” or “Marseille Tarot”.
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Eventually, with time, the production of Tarot decks will cease in most European countries (Italy being an exception) in favor of more simple suit designs and a smaller amount of cards (we are talking about the ancestors of Poker decks, that is). Only occultists will keep on using Tarot decks, mainly for divination purposes (an honorable mention is Jean-Baptiste Alliette, Etteila).
Things will change in 1909, when former Golden Dawn member Arthur Edward Waite will publish his own Tarot deck, drawn by Pamela Colman Smith and later on distributed by the Rider company. Shortly after that, Waite will also write “The Pictorial Key to Tarot”, a “guidebook” to his deck. The creation of this deck is revolutionary to say the least: the Minor Arcana are now scenic (they represent people and stories, which makes the interpretation process easier. To this day, the RWS deck remains a worldwide success.
Now that we have covered the history of both the Marseille and the Rider-Waite-Smith Tarots, there are a couple of final considerations that we must address:
The two decks, having been created in different time periods, are influenced by different philosophies (TdM is heavy on Christian, alchemical and Pythagorean themes; RWS, on the other hand, mixes together Christian and Esoteric elements). Nonetheless, we do have to keep in mind that the Marseille Tarot was taken as inspiration for the RWS deck (and this is the reason why, even though we are talking about different systems, they still have a lot in common).
While the Rider-Waite-Smith deck was created specifically as a divination tool and has an “official guidebook” written by A. E. Waite, the Marseille Tarot was created as a game (thus, not only does it lack a guidebook, but for centuries it was not used as a divination tool at all).
The Tarot de Marseille slowly became the Poker playing cards deck, so there is a strong connection between the two.
Chapter 2 - Differences within the structure
Now that we have discussed the history behind the two systems, we should also take a look at the structure. The objective of this part is to answer the question "How do I know if I'm looking at a Tarot de Marseille/Rider-Waite-Smith deck when I see one?".
The main difference between the two decks is in the Major Arcana; specifically, in the position of the following cards: the Strength and the Justice. Tarot de Marseille-based decks will, in fact, be characterized by the Justice in the eighth position ("VIII. Justice/La Justice") and the Strength in the eleventh ("XI. Strength/La Force"). These two cards will be swapped with time, to better fit the Qabbala (which many occultists used as a guide to interpret the Major Arcana). Consequently, in Rider-Waite-Smith decks, the Strength will be placed in the eighth position while the Justice holds the eleventh position.
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Furthermore, a deck can be considerable "Marseille" when the Minor Arcana are not scenic (when the Minor Arcana are pips, that is, and they only show the element of the suit repeated as many times as the number of the card). Rider-Waite-Smith decks can, too, have non-scenic Minor Arcana. However, in this case the pips are not mandatory (the same cannot be said about the Marseille Tarot, since the pips play a major role in interpretation).
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So, to summarize this paragraph:
Tarot de Marseille: VIII. Justice; XI. Strength; non-scenic Minor Arcana pips (mandatory).
Rider-Waite-Smith: VIII. Strength; XI. Justice; either scenic or non-scenic Minor Arcana.
Chapter 3.1 - Differences within the systems: interpretation
Finally, we get to the most important part of this blog: how do all of these historical and structural differences translate into a divination context?
First, let us describe the differences that have to do with interpretation and card-meanings.
As we have said at the end of "Chapter 1 - History", even though the RWS and the TdM systems are different in many ways, they do have a lot in common. This is the reason why the Major Arcana are read almost identically in both systems. An exception, in this case, would be the "VI. The Lovers/L'Amoreux" card, which Marseille readers tend to interpret as "choosing" rather than "being in a loving relationship" (even though recent debates would argue otherwise).
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As mentioned before, the very big difference between the two systems lies in the way the reader interprets the Minor Arcana. In this case, I need to stress again the fact that Tarot de Marseille does not have an official guidebook. Hence, there are no official/set meanings of the cards. This is not much of a problem when discussing the Major Arcana, since we can decrypt their message via iconography; the same process cannot be applied to the pips. Thus, we have to come up with another key to the interpretation. There are many ways to interpret pips, which can be used separately or together. Here, I will describe the two most-popular ones:
In the majority of the cases, the key to interpreting pips is numerology. By adding together the meaning of the numbers to the characteristics of the suit, the reader can come up with some quite interesting meanings for each Arcana. This method draws a lot inspiration from traditional cartomancy (it is not uncommon for a Marseille reader to use playing cards' number meanings). Let me provide you with an example: the 2 of Pentacles. 2s stand for duality, balance, partnerships. Pentacles is the suit revolving around finances and money. 2 of Pentacles must, in this case, stand for a business partnership.
Another key to interpret pips is the Open Reading method. By using this method, Tarot readers let intuition and imagination take over, coming up with brand-new meanings for each reading. In his book about Tarot, Yoav Ben-Dov suggests that the 8 of Pentacles can be seen as a building where each employee must stick to their assigned role.
At a first glance, you will see that there are no established meanings no matter which way you interpret pips (you will always discover more number meanings to apply to your readings, let alone using the Open Reading method). The same cannot be said about RWS' scenic Minor Arcana, since you can come up with your own meanings only to an extent (due to the fact that there is already a set meaning, both in "The Pictorial Key to Tarot" and iconographically).
Last but not least, there is a slight difference between the RWS suit of Swords and the TdM suit of Swords. While the first one revolves around heartbreak, difficulties and problems, the second one focuses on the mind, academic studies and thought-process. Let me provide you, once again, with an example: the 3 of Swords. First, let us interpret it "the Marseille way": 3 is growth, creativity and fertilization; Swords revolve around the academic world; hence, the 3 of Swords represents an idea that is growing and is quickly drawing our attention and effort (or, at least, that is how I would interpret it). If we are to interpret the same card "the RWS way", we would necessarily have to talk about heartbreak and/or a disappointing emotional connection.
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Chapter 3.2 - Differences within systems: reading
Not only are there differences meaning-wise between the two decks, but there also are some differences in the way one usually does a reading.
On many Marseille Tarot-focused books, you will find that readers tend not to use pre-made spreads (very popular in the RWS world). In fact, it is much more common for a Marseille reader to draw as many cards as needed and connect them to one another in order to formulate a response without looking at a spread at all. Many of them do so because they feel that each card must support one another to build a complete meaning and they do not have a strong-enough meaning alone (this is why many Marseille readers also tend not to draw just one card of the day). However, as everything in Tarot, this is more of a rule of thumb rather than a rule. Other Marseille readers might feel comfortable using pre-made spreads just as much as their RWS counterparts.
Lastly, many "bilingual" readers (who read both RWS and Marseille, that is) tend to say that Marseille readings are very straight-forward and condensed, while RWS readings can be much more complex and articulated.
Epilogue
There is a lot to say about the differences between RWS and Marseille Tarots. The ones I have included here are, in my opinion, the most important ones. Both worlds are ever-so fascinating and both journeys can be equally rewarding.
I would like to end this blog by doing a metaphor: Tarot systems are just like languages. Languages sound, act and perform differently, just like Tarot systems. There are some "languages" that we might feel more comfortable speaking in and others that we might just never learn, but no language is "better" than the other. There might be a language you prefer to read poetry in and another to read novels in, just like I might prefer using Marseille for pragmatic readings and RWS to explore the complexity of the Great Mystery. You can "speak both systems", or you can decide to only "speak" one.
At the end of the day, though, what really matters is communicating no matter the language.
Resources
Forum discussions
➢ Forum post on differences
➢ Reddit post on differences
➢ Tumblr blog
YouTube videos
➢ The Simple Tarot Video
➢ Wolf of Coins Video
➢ Hummingbird Tarot Video
➢ Tom Benjamin Video
➢ Tom Benjamin: Pip vs. TdM
➢ Antithesis: Just one system (TIERRA: Princess of Wands)
Books
➢ Jodorowsky, A; Costa, M. "The Way of Tarot"
➢ Ben-Dov, Y. "The Marseille Tarot Revealed"
➢ Morsucci, A; Aloi, A. "Tarot of Marseille: A Guide to Interpretation"
➢ Elias, C. "Towards the Art of Reading"
➢ Elias, C. "Read Like the Devil: Marseille Tarot"
➢ Tuan, L. "Il Linguaggio Segreto dei Tarocchi"
➢ Calvino, I. "The Castle of Crossed Destinies"
➢ Albertini, F. "Il nonlibro dei Tarocchi"
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I'm not familiarized with the tarot cards, do not know how many tarot cards types there are, how many they are... the hermit... i have heard about that card some times, so i want to learn about them!
aand i now want to ask for you to introduce us into your tarot card interpretations or what each of them mean (oh, and if you have observed some interpretations of each one that you haven't seen other mentions, if they aren't in a absolute definition), if they have a separated meaning from them interpretation into web wyrd
yhank u
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what is tarot? a crash course to the tarot deck.
hello, hello. i am gonna answer this one, manon, it will cover both questions.
it's all good that you don't know much about tarot. as i said in my about me post, i have been practicing tarot for nine years now! so it takes time to build up confidence and knowledge when it comes to reading! so a mini break down of tarot:
history: today's tarot appear most similarly to a 15th century italian game - it spread all over europe quite quickly. by the 18th century (shoutout to the enlightenment era for having nothing better to do than to make tools to help people better reflect on their life situation (yay printing press as well) AND boo to the puritans for demonizing the practice of any divination), french subcultures better developed meanings of the cards and began using it as a means of divination. this makes sense for european history because the great plague of 1738 occurred and people had already been turning to occultism for divination purposes (this is even remarked upon in journal of the plague year daniel defoe's book from 1722 regarding an outbreak in london 1665). while tarot is connected to / is credited to ancient egyptians, i ching, kabbalah, and many other older practices, the modern recognizable tarot deck originates in the 17th century.
so a tarot deck eventually came to contain 78 cards total. this deck can be split into the categories of major arcana (trionfi - triumphs or trump cards as they were known as in their early existence. arcanus - secret.) and the minor arcana.
major arcana (what is used in the matrix, or wyrd web as i have taken to calling it) are 22 cards. each card follows was was the typically hero's journey at the time (15th - 18th century hero's journey). the major arcana were meant to better form a storyline meaning to represent some higher power, a character, morals, and/or immoral feats. each card has a internal and external aspect as well as a individual and collective meaning.
while the minor arcana are a set of 56 cards that were originally your everyday pack of cards at the time. the minor arcana consisted then and now of four suits - fourteen cards each. four court cards per suit: king, queen (back then sometimes it was two kings as queens were often removed from "men's games"), knight, and page (at the time it was a jack). then cards ace to ten in each suit! like a modern deck of playing cards, the suits have four differing symbols - cups (hearts way back), wands (club or baton), pentacles (the diamond), and swords (the spade).
so now that that is cleared up - the rider waite smith version of the deck tends to be closest to original imagery, and is often a great starter deck as all the images, if looked at carefully, can provide insight to there meaning.
exhibit a.
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the magician is the 1 (manon ;)) card of the major arcana. take a good look at this guy.
the magician stands before a table in which all four elemental suits (wand, cup, pentacle, and sword - likely the the objects from the fool's (22's) bundle) are present. flowers bloom abundantly before the table. an ouroboros (the snake that swallows it's tail) and a infinity floats over his head - he burns a candle at both ends towards the heavens and points to the earth showing his connection to both the physical (pointing down and ouroboros) and the spiritual (the candle towards the heavens and the infinity sign over his head). this symbolizes balance similar to how his outfit is both red (passion) and white (purity).
the magician essence of the card claims abundance and having everything one could possibly need. the magician can connect to both the spiritual and physical realm - this is a power card (all the elements are in front of him to do as he pleases in the image on the card). a magician can do what they want and create whatever they wish to. but the reverse of a magician shows the misuse of power (suddenly the magician is "unnatural"; he wills the objects to stay on the table). the reversed image of the magician is manipulating you into believing up is down and down is up. they also distractingly point to the bush of flowers and not the table. hence a reversed magician struggles to see their ability to create - they block themselves from identifying who they are and what they want.
most every tarot reader will agree to individual card meanings, but a spread is often up for debate as multiple cards often interact with each other differently (that's an opinion of mine). the question(s) asked to a deck often hold some sway to card meaning as well - they often carry a different message based on the question.
the magician when asking about romance can indicate rekindling or entering a relationship. it may ask that you mind your emotions (cup on table) and thoughts (sword) while being grounded (pointing to earth) and passionate (red cloak and candle in the sky). meanwhile in a career or money reading, the magician indicates new opportunities that will lead to abundance. it could mean starting your own business or negotiating a raise. meanwhile in a relationship spread when i see the 3 of cups and the magician reversed (i denote that as rx), i know that one person is up to no good and is likely gaslighting / using the other person.
i promise that all/every major arcana will eventually be discussed as we continue down the road to discovering more about the wyrd web! every minor arcana is definitely up for grabs though as they will not be touched upon when examining the web.
please use my "suggest a post topic" button if you want to see a specific pac/pile next! if you'd like my input on how i read a specific card or what i like to ask my deck feel free to use the ask button for that as well!
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Tarot 101: History and the Arcanas
Lets go over a quick summary of Tarot's history and Arcanas
Brief history
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The history of tarot can be traced as far back as Egypt, back to the great Library of Alexandria where scrolls were housed by the famous librarian, mathematician, Philosopher and astronomer, Hypatia. Within the library were scrolls of the book of thoth which is said to contain texts written by Thoth, the Egyptian god of knowledge and writing. The illustrations of the tarot cards at the time are said to contain secret teachings which is presented by the major Arcana that represents a course in personal and Spiritual Development.
The minor Arcana appears later in time and has history in different areas of the world   In the Fourteen hundreds Italian Aristocrats use the cards called “trionfi” to play a game called “Il trionfos”. Artists were commissioned to create the cards that were either hand-painted or printed on wood blocks. Players took the themes shown on the cards and composed poems about each other. One of the earliest decks that still exist is the Visconti Tarot that was commissioned by the Duke of Milan in the mid 1400 that was printed on gold and silver foil.
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Tarot cards also existed in areas of Asia such as India. It is hypothesized that cards were brought over to Europe by the Knights of Templar; there were also suggestions that the cards were brought by Romani travelers from the east to Europe in the Middle Ages. Tarot also appeared in Islamic playing cards from a card game in the 14th or 15th Century that was popular among the wealthy and higher class. One deck was called the Mamluk deck that had an important influence in Tarot cards today. The deck consisted of four suits: the coins, the cups, the swords and polo sticks, as well as 10 numbered cards and 4 Court cards per suit. However, It is only assumed that this card game was used for fortune-telling.
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In Spain, the Spanish nobility in the fifteenth century played a game called Juego de Naypes that came with 49 cards. These cards specifically were used to tell fortunes and reveal Secrets especially in the matters of love. These cards were divided into four suits that were based on women. These suits were called maiden's, wives, widows and nuns and were used to show what someone loved or desired most. Each card would have a verse or poem that had the same amount of lines as the card number. These cards began to be used by fortune tellers and were laid out in a similar way as modern tarot spreads today.
The most common tarot card deck known today is the Rider -Waite-Smith Tarot which was developed in 1909 by Arthur Edward Waite, who commissioned Pamela Colman Smith an artist and Theatrical designer to create the deck. Smith produced 78 paintings which became the cards of the Tarot deck; the deck was then published under the London company William Rider and son in 1910. The deck became noticeable for it's storytelling scenes that were depicted in the major Arcana as a way to convey their meanings. This design allowed readers to read the card intuitively and since the original publication of the deck a number variations have been created since then. And while many have made different designs and types of Tarot deck, the Rider-Waite-Smith Deck is one of the more popular cards today.
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The Cards
Standard Tarot decks consist of seventy-eight cards, divided into two groups called the Major and Minor Arcana, the word Arcana meaning Secret. The major arcana consists of 22 cards, and the minor consists of 56 cards. The major arcana often reflects events in your life that are important and long lasting, “major” events in your life. While the minor arcana often depicts day to day events. It can also be seen as aspects that can affect you more personally in comparison to the minor arcana that may not.
The major arcana is numbered from 0 to XX or twenty. It follows the journey of the fool all the way to the completion of the world. Unlike the minor arcana, the major arcana does not correspond with the suit of playing cards, they slightly vary depending on the deck. The minor arcana correspond with the suits in traditional playing card decks as well as the four elements of water, fire, air and earth.
The suits
There are four suits in the minor arcana that are numbers from 1-10 with the Ace being the first card and the court cards known as the page, the knight, the queen and the king of the suits in traditional tarot decks.
The Wands are often associated with the suit of clubs and are represented by the element of fire, it is also a representation of your higher self or your higher realm, or in other words the spirit. They are also associated with the season of spring and in terms of time represent days. The qualities of the wands are elements such as action, creativity, energy, enterprise, intuition, hope and potential. In astrology they are represented by the signs Aries, Leo and Sagittarius that are also fire signs.
The cups are associated with the suit of hearts and are related to the element of water and represent a person’s emotions. In terms of timing it is associated with the months And is associated with the season of Summer. The qualities of the cups contain such keywords such as, love, relationships, happiness, harmony, sensitivity, emotion and fulfillment. In astrology they are represented by the zodiac signs of cancer, pisces and scorpio.
The swords were associated with a suit of Spades and are related to the element of air and represent a person's mental plane. In terms of timing the cars can be associated with weeks and are associated with the season of autumn or fall. The swords represent qualities such as ideas, communication, conflict struggle , separation resolution and change. In astrology they're represented by the zodiac sign of Gemini Libra and Aquarius.
The Pentacles are associated with the suit of diamonds and are related to the element of Earth And represent a person's physical self. The Pentacles can be associated with the timing in terms of years and is related to the Season Winter. The storage represents keywords such as money, work, talent, reputation, achievements, stability and material wealth. In astrology they are represented by the signs of Taurus Virgo and Capricorn.
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     Re delle cose, autor del mondo, arcana      Malvagità, sommo potere e somma      Intelligenza, eterno      Dator de’ mali e reggitor del moto,
io non so se questo ti faccia felice, ma mira e godi, contemplando eterno.
Natura è come un bambino che disfa subito il fatto. Vecchiezza. Noia di passioni piene di dolore e disperazione: amore.
     Te con diversi nomi il volgo appella      Fato, Natura e Dio.
Ma tu sei Arimane.
Taccio le tempeste, le pesti, tuoi doni; ché altro non sai donare. Tu dài gli ardori e i ghiacci.
E il mondo delira cercando nuovi ordini e leggi e spera perfezione. Ma l’opra tua rimane immutabile, perché natura dell’uomo sempre regneranno ’ardimento e l’inganno, e la sincerità e la modestia resteranno indietro, e la fortuna sarà nemica al valore, e il merito non sarà buono a farsi largo, e il giusto e il debole sarà oppresso.
Vivi, Arimane, e trionfi; e sempre trionferai.
Invidia degli antichi attribuita agli dèi verso gli uomini.
Perché, dio del male, hai tu posto nella vita qualche apparenza di piacere? l’amore?... per travagliarci col desiderio, col confronto degli altri e del tempo nostro passato?
Io non so se tu ami le lodi o le bestemmie. Tua lode sarà il pianto, testimone del nostro patire.
     Pianto da me per certo      Tu non avrai: ben mille volte
dal mio labbro il tuo nome maledetto sarà.
Mai io non mi rassegnerò.
Se mai grazia fu chiesta ad Arimane, concedimi ch’io non passi il settimo lustro. Io sono stato, vivendo, il tuo maggior predicatore, l’apostolo della tua religione. Ricompensami. Non ti chiedo nessuno di quelli che il mondo chiama beni: ti chiedo quello che è creduto il massimo de’ mali, la morte (non ti chiedo ricchezze, non amore, sola causa degna di vivere). 
Non posso, 
non posso più della vita.
Giacomo Leopardi, Ad Arimane (1835)
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NYMA TWST AU
tag: Spare the Spare (TWST)
NYMA BINT-ASIM  Age: 17 DoB: Nov. 15th Allusion: N/A The Fool Arcana, prolly lmao Home: Silk City, Scalding Sands Dorm: Scarabia (2nd) Best class: Divination 
Nyma is one of Kalims many younger siblings, but only by a few months! Extremely sickly as a child, she was mostly stuck in her bed chambers and unable to go out and play or long periods of time. However, she finally convinced their father to let her at least try and go to school, but as soon as she starts to get as ill as she did as a child, she's suppose to go home. Obviously she ain't telling anyone when that happens. Nyma is a very caring and empathetic individual, always wanting to help others despite her health, even if she feels unwell herself, she wants to push herself to make sure others are cared for before she is. Although, her and Kalim share the same sunny personality.
Other things!
She always wears a shawl over her uniform
Faust likes to chill inside it because warm
Nyma’s illness isn’t deadly or contagious (It’s based off the Red Plague from the VN, vaguely), there’s a sigil over her left breast that tempers the illness’ effects. 
Her UM is called Trionfi, where she can use the Arcana to give herself or other various buffs/debuffs
She’s best with Light Cosmic/Flora magic. Terrible with Dark Cosmic/Water magic.
Her fortunes are sort of accurate, and they are how she regulates her magic along with the sigil.
She does have henna on her arms, you just never see it.
DISCLAIMER:
YOU DON’T AUTOMATICALLY HAVE TO ASSUME NYMA IS YOUR KALIM’S SISTER IF YOU DON’T WANT TO. YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST ASSUME SHE IS A SICK SCARABIA KID WHO LIKES TELLING FORTUNES. I WILL NOT FORCE THIS ON ANYONE SO PLEASE ASK IF YOU AREN’T SURE.
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AH ig i should upload this too!! JLGKJG a redraw from an ss taken in skycotl
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4 of Cups
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zialialis · 2 years
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Secret Santa gift for @cinnasaur!
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Here’s something I did for a secret santa event! For some reason I chose to animate a run cycle, plus a couple limited palette versions.
Character belongs to @gyoguts!!!
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seaslime · 6 years
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my character died so here’s my new one! their name is 100% pun on santa claus and their top is made of a trash bag
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something for my darling friend mell of her character daniel !! 
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hinabeanie · 3 years
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Long time no see...!! Here’s a secret snowflake piece I did for @tree-kun :3 
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