#unredeemable villain

[green-mochi-blog]

Unredeemable villain who is madly in love with the hero and kind of obsesses with them + Tired hero who was neglected by the people they were supposed to save and isn't quite sure about their relationship with the villain but they are the only person who showed them any kind of love, even if it's twisted, so they are willing to accept it

Is this too specific? Is there any kind of book or story with this type of relationship? I really need to know

[iateyourburrito]

Okay i got so mad at the YT villain playlists that i made my own

Please please please reblog this I need people to give me suggestions and also see this because omg I need people to have a good villain playlist.

[themasterusersblog]

i understand that teenagers should know the consequences of their actions but i also think its crazy how so many fandoms make a teenager the biggest villain of the show

like sometimes its a teenager who was going through a lot and made a mistake and regrets it but then fandom always frame them as a super villain who is pure evil instead of a teenager who did a understandable mistake?

[rowan-guerrins]

people on tiktok well on all social media sites actually will loudly critique the fact some people (especially those who only watched the movies) “didn’t get the point of the hunger games” and then turn around and say gale is the worst person in the universe and treat him like he’s a monster, and that all these traits are innate characteristics completely isolated from the circumstances in which he lived and the people around him. like girlie i think maybe YOU didn’t get the point here either.

[ilikelookingatthings]

Thoughts on Miraculous Ladybug : A Comment from YouTube I'm proud of about themes and Chloe

The thing that confuses me is theme wise Akumas are people who are hurt/have been wronged. who feel alone or like that hurt isn't being seen, who then lash out to try to make that hurt seen or help themselves...often in ways that don't make sense logically to us but makes sense to them in the heat of the negative emotions. but the point is these 'villains' are in fact victims. they are people who are hurting and who need help and when you find the core of their problem (represented by an item that often is connected to their problem) and acknowledge it/break it open. then your able to have a chance to actually talk to them/calm them down and give them the help they need.

the show has been pointing to the fact that the 'villains' are victims where in these cases we blame the ones who act like they understand or are there for the victims and who encourage them down bad paths(in this case hawkmoth).

but the show has used Chloe in particular to both have Marinette stand up to someone bad and not let them get away with stuff and shows if your firm about it they aren't unbeatable or that strong. and the show has used Chloe in particular to show as well that people are complex. that even if Mari personally doesn't like someone it doesn't mean they don't have problems and that they might need help seeing how to be better. Marinette went from seeing Chloe as simply evil to seeing how complex Chloe was (and honestly kind of pitiful).

so what I don't understand is if they make chloe completely unredeemable..... If we are supposed to take that at face value...why the HELL should I believe Mari would give Gabriel /hawkmoth a chance or any understanding when Gabe has been terrible all season and been terrible as hawkmoth?

if they invalidate the arc of Chloe which they had been using to teach Mari to reach out to the bad guy because they might be hurting and need help like the victims...why would I believe Mari would reach out to hawkmoth?

even more when WE the audience know that Chloe's downward spiral was a direct plan by Gabriel. hawkmoth isolated Chloe on a rooftop, cut of her line to signal to ladybug literally by cutting the wire to the signal, told her that her parents were targeted because of her, implying that he might keep doing so when she had no way to protect herself since she had understood ladybug saying she couldn't be a hero anymore for her and pollen's safety...just for Chloe to be targeted anyway and for pollen and the other Kwami being stolen and not been properly protected.

like I get why Mari and others think Chloe was just being her entitled self, upset about not being the bee....but WE the audience knows that Chloe only agreed to side with hawkmoth to free her parents who were hostages and because if she didn't he would have kept pollen and the rest...and she had no idea how he'd react if she rejected his offer when she literally couldn't protect herself AND the literally master at manipulating emotions dug directly into her insecurities that he set up with this scenario.

So while I get Mari misunderstanding Chloe at irredeemable.....WE the audience knows better and more about the situation.

it feels even weirder because Chloe's spiraling had a direct parallel to both Adrien and Marinette who relied on old behaviors to cope and distract from their real issues and semi pushed people away to not face those issues. Chloe being worse could work as relying on being mean to cope because THAT is what she knows and is good at. its familiar and she thinks (the literal biggest fan of ladybug) that she probably does feel guilty for what she did...but she can't take it back and burnt that bridge...so Chloe relying on being mean to try to feel a sense of control.

Pretending like she chose to be mean again on her own makes sense.

even more as a contrasting cry for help because Mari had others who would try to reach out to her where we got to see she was covering up her really issues and stress of her guilt of the loss of master fu. while Chloe was able to push everyone away and no one realized Chloe's actions were a cry for help.....

like, on one hand people have to face consequences for their choices...but on the other the show has spent the whole time reminding us that the people acting out are victims and the true villains are the ones who take advantage of their hurt to lead them into further bad actions...which could lead to people not seeing they need help.

why the hell is the show expecting me to hate Chloe and see her as irredeemable when her downfall was a direct plan by Gabriel/hawkmoth and Lila?! like I can understand believing she should know better but she KNOWS no one likes her which means she is vulnerable to emotional manipulation! and she was cornered into that big downfall she thinks she can't come back from since she failed the one person who had given her a chance.

she literally got replaced by her sister Zoey who everyone liked better and who found being nice easy to understand compared to Chloe who struggled and who's best progress came from trying to not disappointed Adrien and her teddy bear!

even more her father was the worst! he's racist, spoils Chloe but never gives her real attention/guidance and her mother literally hates her, thinks she's useless, forgets her name and bad talks her all the time and they going to stick Chloe with her mom who was the literally worst?

what's even more frustrating is while I could understand it being a 'this is what happens if you don't take the chances to change since it's not other people's jobs to fix you' it undercuts alot of lessons in previous episodes if Chloe is completely unredeemable!

[valentronic]

funny that I randomly start thinking about slugterra again and then immediately find out there’s a new series- anyway getting my ascension predictions out before I’m immediately proven wrong. missed this guy a lot tbh. bastard

[spinnysocks]

i know it's been said before but seriously. the more i think about ushari the sadder i get. dude really was fucked over by everyone and didn't even get a scrap of a chance at redemption

[tama1313]

uhm...

Tell me I'm not the only one who noticed this

[tarisilmarwen]

Fun Rebels tag drinking game: Take a shot for every Thrawn simp wringing their hands about the show possibly portraying their favorite asshole fascist as a bad guy, gasp shock and horrors!

[humblenarcissist97]

Does anyone else think that Heathers the movie is better than the musical, or is it just me?

[clown-an0n]

[quick ramble]

[being SO real rn i think clown is] [one of if not the ONLY character who is truely, utterly evil] [including the characters i have out of taocc]

[maybe not the only. but there are definitely less than 10, maybe even less than FIVE, out of HUNDREDS of characters. and even then? clown tops EVERY SINGLE VILLAIN, i've EVER HAD, in the span of ACTUAL YEARS in how evil he is]

[he is literally unforgivable. all my other villains are terrible, but they have reasons. good or bad reasons, they have reasons. clown has none] [and he cares for nobody] [even his friends he views as less than himself]

[bijoumikhawal]

it kind of funny how MXTX novels will flat out tell you a character flaw or how this person is doing a bad thing or that something is subjective and people will ignore it

[magicalgrimm]

Imma be real with y’all, I ain’t ready to see what golden heart is actually going to be like.

[detectivewebs]

People with the inability to form opinions about the media they consume and just go with the content face value piss me off. Wtf dym that you agree with everything the show is saying? ITS SAYING BAD THINGS LIKE OBJECTIVELY BAD AND UR IGNORING IT BECAUSE YOU ACCEPT EVERYTHING IT SAYS FACE VALUE!

[villains4hire]

@heroesxdemons​ discussed an rp between Eva Rainsong and Magilou!

     Sniffing from afar, her senses picked up a gift being left for a powerful fae as a gust of wind swept through the area. Magilou would see a fae suddenly as if from nowhere inside the protected fae ring devouring the gifts she left... including the inanimate objects. Though Eva wasn’t stupid, her nose sniffing out the witch, “And what do we have here? Someone appealing to me for an audience? I’d make it quick or I might just sink my teeth into you... but you’re ever so cute as well. Maybe I’ll be gentle then if I lose my patience.”

[bugaboooooooooo]

Ship bingo: chlonette!

chloenette!! i like them in fics But only a Specific Flavour, and i think their dynamic is SO interesting in canon- chloe is such a tragic character doomed by her own choices and actions, and marinette is in the centre of it all!!! the person she hurt the most and ALSO the person who was willing to give her chance after chance!! and chloe actually DID take that chance but once she felt unimportant and once the Path To Redemption™ became rockier she fell back on her old ways!!! i love how their dynamic has unfolded in canon actually its soo missed chances doomed one sided obsession and i love that for them 💕