#wiccan mcu

[holyblanchett]

Yall think Rio seen this? I know babygirl was FUMING with rage. Especially after her 'walk with another woman's son' comment ? I just know she watched them Wandavision episodes. She really been beefing with Billy since before he was born 🤣

[carebooks]

[saddleseatollie]

tbh eddie was way too chill about billy being like "hey so i only pretended to get my memories back and also i might be the son of the scarlet witch" and that should be all the proof we need that he's actually supposed to be Hulkling.

[agathasblackheart]

So I have a theory about everyone’s hallucinations in the first trial. Everyone’s obviously dealt with their past in some way but Agatha’s didn’t quite make sense, because we know she didn’t trade Nicky for the darkhold. It could possibly be inferred that it bothers her that everyone thinks that about her so that is why it was her hallucination, but I think it was influenced by what Jen told Billy. We know Billy was in control of everything on the road subconsciously so obviously this influenced Agatha’s hallucination but he didn’t know anyone else’s backstory, so how could that work? Well, we know he can read/control minds but we also know he could never read Agatha’s. So his powers subconsciously looked into everyone’s minds and pulled from their past for their hallucinations to the poison EXCEPT for Agatha, because he couldn’t, so the only thing he could do was pull the only piece of information he had. What Jen told him. It honestly makes so much sense

[allaboutalf]

Blocking agathario shippers who hate on Wiccan is my new pastime. You’re going to hate cause a character who has been a popular queer hero in Marvel for almost 20 years gets attention and is finally in the MCU? A character that queer people have wanted to see on screen since the MCU started and before you decided to watch AAA cause you heard about your ship being a thing? Using some pretty problematic rhetoric when discussing him in a way that makes you come across just like the incels out there? Ignoring why his inclusion is such a momentous thing for queer people? Goodbye.

[thatsmybook]

Some of my thoughts since the last episode of Agatha All Along:

The most earnest show of religion in an MCU property is being done through a queer kid. I like that the wider world is learning about the intersectionality of identity. I believe that Billy is as Jewish as William because a) the only family he knows has 'raised' him Jewish and b) his love of witchcraft and ritual and finding ways to explain his world intersect with the rituals and traditions of his faith. Even William was deeply fascinated with magic and witchcraft and journeys of discovery.

Marvel fans are aware that Wiccan is a strong character. The fact that this symbol of masculine strength can be found in a witch boy who is raised to be strong in his sense of self by women in his coven, is awesome. He is drawn to feminine strength as inspiring instead of looking for male heroes. He is attracting feminine forms of protection (Alice), feminine disruptors of the status quo and stereotypes (Lilia), strength in the feminine aesthetic and belief in your innate power (Jen), feminine quest for knowledge and ambition (Agatha). He is being shadowed by death (Rio), but even death gives life in its reincarnation (as we return to earth and feed the earth with our life-force to continue on in new forms).

I believe that Wiccan is/can be as important to the MCU as Spiderman is. Spiderman is a teenager who could be any and everyone. Spiderman looks up to Iron Man, especially but also seeks male role models and approval. (A big part of Iron Man's humanity and softness came from mentoring Peter Parker - I see parallels between Agatha Harkness and Iron Man in this way too).

I believe Wiccan is a version of masculinity to teens that can see that women hold the depth of knowledge and power that he is more interested in unlocking and that their experiences with adversity will be better guides for him as he grows to be the most powerful magic user in the MCU. He is also chosen as a witch and not a sorcerer/wizard/warlock.

Will we be getting little boys and girls and theys aspiring to be wiccans and spidermen equally?

[onceandfuturelesbian]

ok wait joe said throughout a couple interviews that a) he’d like to interact w/ the fantastic four (wiccan comic thing i think) and b) in his ideal world, billy is a leader/is involved w every mcu movie going forward

*knock on wood* joe motherfucking locke is gonna be the future king of the mcu

he’s the new tom holland of manifesting his future roles and i love him for that

i can’t wait to see more joe locke/billy/wiccan cause it’s GOING. TO. HAPPEN.

he was fucking amazing in AAA, he was 100% my favourite character (ofc i loved all my fav lesbians too)

joe locke supremacy

[depressedpanda69]

In the real world, a heart can stop for several minutes, and be restarted without any significant harm to the person.

So why are some assuming that just because William’s heart stopped for a few seconds, before Billy’s “soul” restarted it that it means William is dead and gone (soul moved on)???

And I’ve seen people claim AAA made it clear William is gone, but when did it do that? I don’t recall it being said or otherwise confirmed in episode 6.

In fact, Billiam says in episode 7 that he doesn’t know which one he is.

The most interesting option is that both Billy Maximoff and William Kaplan will be “blended”… resulting in Billy Kaplan, ie. syncing up with the comics more.

Billy only has a few days of memories at a couple specific ages, which could easily be added to William’s without issue.

[vaspider]

Agatha All Along Thoughts:

The thing that I've been thinking about that hasn't been touched on yet: the Witch's Road gives "what is missing."

Billy is CERTAIN that this means his brother, or that he gets to choose what it means. However, the MCU has been pretty clear up to this point that this is often not at all how magic works.

Also, if you look at the way the Witch's Road is laid out, like, look at the way the trees look and how stylized they are, look at the decorations in a few places... the same lights that are in Billy's room show up in Agatha's trial, those triangular string lights, and the trees on the Witch's Road are extremely stylized. Some look like the tree on the cover of the Torah Ark, and some look like the tabletoppers/centerpieces from William's bar mitzvah, and some have items hanging from them which look like the items hanging on the centerpieces. Additionally, the door didn't show up until Billy came downstairs. This may just be because the coven wasn't complete until Billy was in the room, but it may also be because he's the driving force behind getting everyone on the Road at all. The Road responds to the coven, right? It forms itself to the coven? And if each of the witches gets a trial, then the only place where William's influence might leak out, the only space that might be 'his,' where he's trying to, maybe, get Billy's attention would be in these liminal spaces. (His ability to reach out only happening in those most liminal of spaces would make a lot of sense if he's sort of been hovering for years in a sort of limbo.)

Oh fuck, I just realized that we got Randall/Ralph Bohner telling Billy "it's like watching yourself on TV." FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. That's not an accident. Ahhhhh fuck. Poor William.

I think what episode 6 has telegraphed to us -- one of the things it has, anyway -- is that what he is "missing" is William Kaplan, and he's going to have to integrate these two personalities/two lives into one thing.

(My theory re: Tommy is that the "quest" in VisionQuest, the third part of this trilogy, will be finding Tommy. I also think that Eddie is Hulkling -- his immediate explanation for the Hex was 'aliens,' Hulkling is often sleeveless, lots of little things. That might be a red herring, but I think they may be giving us Hulkling there.)

I really, really appreciate the level to which these choices have clearly been thought out. I'll be pulling apart the implications of this show for magic in the MCU for a while.

(If you're here to tell me that the MCU is dumb or you hate it, please go away. I'm not interested in that conversation.)

[vanillabean-draws]

This isn’t *because* of Agatha all along per-say, but I was definitely reminded of my love for these characters.

[kitkatclubcopia]

New avengers tower except it's the young avengers and the thunderbolts plus ghost Agatha

[marvelsgirl616]

ASS ATE EAGLE ISLAND!?!!! 😭😭😭😭

[agathasblackheart]

Rewatching Agatha All Along again and poor Mrs.Hart. She really is the Maximoff’s favorite victim fr. First mother then son. Girl has some serious bad luck when it comes to mythological witches

[allaboutalf]

A message for some in the AAA fandom:

The show has been promoted as being about Agatha and Billy the whole time, it’s extremely obvious in the marketing and PR and positioning of the two leads.

Wiccan is a character that has huge significance and prominence and the plan was always to have focus on him. The show didn’t bait otherwise, some in the fandom baited themselves that the show was something it wasn’t. And it’s still a show with a primarily female cast and characters with development and storylines. And more to come about them. It just also happens to be a vehicle to introduce one of the most popular and important queer heroes in Marvel. And hopefully his brother and future husband, two other queer characters, the latter being a key part of the Skrull and Kree storyline.

Oh and the name of the show also doesn’t mean every aspect should be focused on one character. Like The Wizard of Oz isn’t about the Wizard.

[thatsmybook]

Tao Xu, protector of Charlie Spring.

Alice Wu, protector of Billy Kaplan.

[cameoamalthea]

So Billy does not need to cast specific spells to use magic. His magic, like Wanda's magic, is basically just manifesting what he wants to happen. He doesn't need a spell book, he can do magic with a self-help book.

So was carrying around a spell book and taking notes all an act?