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This is a continuation of my previous post. Most likely it will be short (no, it's not), so let's talk not only about Eddie, but also about the fans.

I apologize for my mistakes, I use Google translator because I don't know English well.

This is Part 2.

The first thing I want to write about is that Symbrock are not gay.

I wrote about the orientation and gender of the symbiote earlier (+ I’ll add a little), but I repeat that he is literally an agender, asexual (no biological sex), asexually reproducing alien. Yes, the symbiote can feel arousal, but only its host, its own most likely only as a psychological/emotional need. Yes, the symbiote takes on the gender of the host. And yes, it can be addressed as he/him, but that’s only because most of its hosts were men, there were also the pronouns we, they (used mainly when he was together with the host, but also spoke about himself) and this. The pronoun he is used mainly to humanize the symbiote; he is not a thing to call him “it”, but it's still appropriate because he's an alien. Moreover, I wouldn’t say that he cares at all about pronouns, gender, sexuality and other human bullshit.

And now about Eddie. He's not gay. He had an ex-wife whom he loved and with whom he fathered a child, Dylan. At least that makes him not gay. He is (was or is) in love with an alien symbiote that has no gender. In the comics, he also fell in love with women more than once, such as Beck Underwood or Liz Allan. If we draw a conclusion from all this: firstly, he is not 100% hetero because of the symbiote; secondly, he is not gay because he was not in love with men; thirdly, he is not bisexual for the same reason; fourthly, we will never know his orientation until the creators of the Venom comics talk about it, the only thing we know is that he fell in love with women and the symbiote. The maximum that I can do now is to throw out my headcanons and speculations based on the comics I have read.

I believe that Eddie is still hetero (not 100%, and maybe he's bi, I'm not sure), but with xenophilia, exophilia, paraphilia and autassassinophilia tendencies (Hi, Marvel Comics Presents #5). Perhaps he has demisexual and/or demiromantic tendencies, I think so mainly because of Venom: The Hunger, here is an example of the phrases “We share everything. Thoughts. Feelings. A purpose. It's not human, but it's given me things no girlfriend ever could. I used to live for words. But the Other's shown me how small and useless they really are. We talk to each other with moods and pictures, memories and heartbeats. Some things are the same in any language. Like the one thing I thought I’d never hear.” Demi needs to feel a strong emotional connection, trust and intimacy to fall in love and/or be sexually attracted. That's it.

Let's discuss symbrock and fans:

Symbrock is literally non-binary couple (alien + human).

I like it when people call them gay as a joke because it's funny. You are also entitled to headcanons just like any other fan. But please don't present your headcanons as reality, because that's just disrespectful to the canon and the authors.

BUT, even despite what I described earlier, they can be called gay. And this is not a contradiction.

Not only do gays refer to men who have sex with each other and who love men, gay also refers to LGBTQ+ people in a general sense, as a generalization. So yes, calling them gay is appropriate depending on the meaning you intend, it’s your choice. Personally, I prefer to call them specifically non-binary couple, so that there is no confusion with the designation of the word gay.

I love symbrock fans, I really do, because I'm a fan of the pair myself. But I really have questions when I see contradictions with the canon. I understand that people have their own headcanons and that's okay, I have them too, but I can't understand why you need to be considered canon.

Moreover, I am annoyed not only by fans who present headcanons as cacoons without understanding the history and real facts, I am also annoyed by “fans” who deny that symbrock is an official couple. Guys, get over it, you can’t change the canon. Venom has been gay since the 90s, just deal with it.

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So this is my first post on Tumblr and I would never have thought that I would write here if it weren’t for a very important topic that I would like to touch upon. Most likely this is a bad topic for the first time, but I really want to speak out.

I want to talk about the sexual orientation of the symbrock and what annoys me about the fans of this ship. But firstly, I talk about symbiotes. I will discuss Eddie and the fans in other posts.

This is Part 1.

Okey, let's discuss the symbiotes:

A symbiote is an organism living in symbiosis with another organism. There are many such symbiotes in Marvel, but you most likely have in mind someone like the Venom symbiote, that is, a Klyntar. If you believe Marvel Wikipedia, comics and Marvel Anatomy, then this is essentially an agender symbiote organism, an alien with a different physiology from us, reproducing asexually.

In biology asexual means reproduction not involving the fusion of gametes (mature haploid male or female germ cell which is able to unite with another of the opposite sex in sexual reproduction to form a zygote). Symbiotes reproduce asexually, producing new organisms from latent seeds in their genetic structure. Based on the events of the comics, symbiotes have two ways of reproduction: dividing the body artificially (symbiotes that were created in the laboratory, for example, Riot and Agony) and natural budding (this is how Sleeper appeared).

If we talk about sexual orientation, being asexual means never feeling sexual attraction or feeling it only slightly or very rarely. Also, this does not mean that asexuals do not want romantic relationships; asexuals can be of any romantic orientation, from aromantics (do not want a romantic relationship) to panromantics (those who can like absolutely or almost everything).

I think the fact that the symbiote reproduces only asexually proves that it can't experience sexual attraction, because its presence does not make sense for symbiotes. Sexual attraction is contrary to their biology. Knull (the god of symbiotes) definitely didn’t think about this at all when he created them.

I believe that since symbiotes reproduce only asexually, they can't possibly have sexual desire on a human level. I do not deny that the symbiote may want something like this, on a psychic/mental/emotional level, that is, on the level of ordinary desires and desires, for example, the desire to please the host and feel his emotions.

Sexual attraction for most people is a physical need, unlike symbiotes. They may want it mentally, but not physically. Therefore, I am of the opinion that the symbiote is asexual (read the definition above), it may have desire on a psychological/mental level, but not on the physical. And they tried to prove to me that he could want this on a physical level (as a man’s penis gets erect when aroused, for example), although the symbiote is an agender (genderless), sexless alien who has a different biology, much different from human.

Ok, for real, I wouldn’t say that I believe that symbiotes can experience attraction, but I don’t deny it either. They either do not have attraction, or they have it, but not physical (in the sense of sexual).

If we consider that sexual attraction is not only physical, but also psychological and emotional, then how complex sexuality can be, that the behavior of symbiotes can be defined as sexual behavior. For symbiotes, their symbiosis (symbiotic bond) is the closest equivalent to a relationship (for humans). They may be physically asexual, but it is not a fact that they have an asexual orientation.

Most definitions of sexual orientation include a psychological component, such as the direction of a person's erotic desires, or a behavioral component, which focuses on the gender of a person's sexual partner (or multiples). If we consider sexual orientation only from a physical point of view, then yes, symbiotes are asexual. But if we consider it from the point of view of psychology and emotional attraction, then they can still be asexuals or not be asexuals. It all depends on the symbiote.

If we divide sexual attraction into specifically physical and psychological, but at the same time perceive sexual attraction as physical, then to simplify they can be defined as sexual attraction (all physical) and romantic orientation (all psychological). From this point of view, symbiotes are asexual, but they can be of different romantic orientations. It all also depends on the symbiote.

Basically, sexual attraction means physical attraction and desire to mate and the like, but not mental. Symbiotes may have something similar, but not identical, not like humans. If we talk about simple attraction (and not about sexual attraction), then they certainly have it. Interest in the host and the symbiosis can probably be considered attraction. Perhaps they may even have physical attraction, but not in the sense in which we understand it. As far as I remember, when the symbiote was separated from the host, he felt very bad without him, it was like withdrawal, but I can’t say for sure whether he felt pain on a physical and/or psychological level. Whether this can be defined as physical or mental attraction, or maybe both, I don’t know. But the very concept of attraction should suit the symbiote, it just may differ from our human concept.

If we take the Venom symbiote as an example, it is asexual. Even though he had sex with Eddie (Marvel Comics Presents #5). We are literally immersed in Eddie's thoughts, all those fantasies that were shown, it all belongs to Eddie. It says this there, for example, “We can feel every dirty curve of Eddie's intentions” and “Let's get a look at what Eddie really likes...”.

Yes, asexuals can also have sex, not all of them consider sex something disgusting, and they too may want sex, for example, to please their partner or to get pleasure themselves. This pleasure can be physical, as is usually the case, and/or psychological/emotional, for example, because the partner likes it, the reasons may be different. They also differ among symbiotes, for example, this may be due to the desire to receive adrenaline, which can also be produced during sexual intercourse. It's individual. Simply put, the Venom symbiote is asexual, but most likely panromantic because he is interested in symbiosis, he always wanted to have a romantic relationship with the host and he does not seem to care who his partner will be (woman or man, human or mutant, etc.)

Of all the symbiotes I remember, the Sleeper symbiote can be considered completely asexual and aromaniac, since it seems to have no interest in symbiosis at all.

To shorten everything I wrote, then yes, symbiotes are asexual or not (if they can be defined by human categories). They are asexuals if we separate the psychological (romantic orientation) and physical (sexual), but if we consider romantic and sexual orientation together, without separating them at all, then this is individual, since someone wants, and someone is deprived of this desire, someone is not asexual, someone asexual. Also, if we take symbiosis (the desire for symbiosis) as attraction, then they may not be asexual, but they can also be asexual. It's individual.

To be continued...