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Regarding the “trophy room”, it’s actually just composed of Jedi according to the visual guide. It stop doesn’t change the fact that Vader is a-okay with having a whole ass tomb preserving dead Jedi he & his Inquisitors killed over the years.

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Inquisitors are a bit more complex too because Sidious picked up a few Jedi who were more wayward, dark side leaning, and troubled. You have those like Trilla, Seventh Sister, and , the Twi’lek one killed, and Masana who undergone torture until they psychologically broke. Theyre victims molded into servants.

Then you have Fifth Brother, Prositt Dibbs, and Grand Inquisitor who took no issue. Inquisitor: Rise of the Red Blades follows one of the two Inquisitiors you mentioned Vader killed & Sidious recruited her because he had a spy in the temple that pretended to be her confidante & she lets her misgivings known. Said spy was a ‘washed out’ initiate who resented them because he didn’t pass his initiate trials so he was eager for a long game revenge plan of some sort.

But even that kind of focus is in the novels and hardly explored beyond Trilla/Reva in more visible media as you said and more people are too busy critiquing having the Inquisitiors be too weak than emphasizing those whom are victims. They’re also there to present a beatable dark sider without sullying Darth Vader.

I just finished playing Jedi Fallen order, and I realized something at the end. Of all the atrocities that Vader has committed, no one ever seems to talk about what he did to the Inquisitors. While some did join willingly like the Grand Inquisitor and Prosset Dibs, the rest were caught and tortured until they broke their minds and made them fall to the dark side. Then they were made to serve the Sith and hunt down their former brothers and sisters. While it didn’t affect nearly as many people as Vader’s other acts did, I still do see it as one of the worst things he has done just for how brutal and terrifying it would be to be in that situation. And the worst part is that it’s not over quick like those Vader killed with a lightsaber or force choked to death. The torture likely goes on for days, weeks, maybe months before they are considered broken enough to not try escaping or acting against the empire. Even after that it’s still not over. Vader has dismembered several of them during training and killed some of them, such as when he discovered two Inquisitors had feelings for each other. Seeing the cutscene that shows what Trilla and Cere went through in the fortress was hard to watch, and I’m surprised the game didn’t have the Jedi body storage room from the Kenobi series. What are your thoughts on this?

I know I HAVE seen people discuss the Inquisitors, but it also can sometimes just get lumped in with "what he did to the Jedi"/"betrayal of the Jedi"/"destruction of the Jedi" so on and so forth. It's a separate atrocity to Order 66, but it's also arguably not since a lot of the Inquisitors are CAPTURED during Order 66 and its immediate aftermath and then used to continue hunting down other Jedi survivors and Force sensitive people, which is just a continuation of Order 66 in many ways.

Everything Anakin does to the Jedi is pretty horrific, I'm not sure I'll ever quite forgive Tales of the Empire for REALLY downplaying the horror of the Inquisitor process and just how much it changed and damaged and traumatized the people who went through it.

Also, the reason Jedi Fallen Order doesn't have the weird trophy room from the Kenobi show is because the game came first and the show took a LOT of its design cues for that location from the game and then added in the trophy hall. It's a fun extra bit of mental torture for the Inquisitors to have to go through. I don't know if all of the people in there are Jedi or if it's a mixture of Jedi, Force sensitive people, and even civilians. But regardless of who those people actually were, it's intensely horrible and visceral.

I think part of the reason it tends to slink by is that the Inquisitors aren't always treated as the horrible atrocity that they are in every piece of media we see them in, and some of the things that DO focus on that part are more niche and fewer people have consumed them. Rebels treats them as basic antagonists with no real recognition from Kanan that these are former Jedi. There's no sympathy towards them and no nuance to their characters. There's at least a few comics focusing in on how they were broken into darkness, but fewer people read comics than watch TV shows and movies. JFO and Jedi Survivor give more focus to the tragedy of the Inquisitors, but again, fewer people will play the video games than watch TV shows and movies. In the Kenobi show, there's a LOT less focus on the tragedy of the Inquisitors than there is on Reva's personal tragedy and again the Inquisitors mostly get used as pretty basic obstacles. Same with the one episode with an Inquisitor in Tales of the Jedi which is just used to show off Ahsoka being cool or whatever. And then there was Barriss's episodes in Tales of the Empire which show like one fight to the death and little else.

So most of the times we've seen Inquisitors in higher canon that's more mainstream, the tragic aspect of the Inquisitors has either not been there at all or it's been downplayed quite a lot. Not everyone really knows what was done to them or that many of them were captured former Jedi tortured into becoming Jedi hunters and what part Anakin played in all of it.

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God forbid a character has views not the same as the protagonists & is not bending the knee for their sake.

Andor (Season 2, Episode 4)

I’ll never forget when this aired and I saw discussion about the episode, people had speculated that Saw planted and killed him under false pretenses. Except Saw had ZERO reason to do that and he had Benthic prove it.

Like I find it funny and ironic anything the radical black character does, people are quick to spin an uncharitable, bad faith take on it. It’s like people got ahold of an actual morally gray character who’s black so they can be weird about him and hide behind how he’s morally bankrupt or how the “writing is so complex”.

Yet it’s his fault Tech dies when it was the Bad Batch that alerted the Summit base. All he does is fight in cold caves & die when he’s the first rebel leader & investigates the Death Star for decades & is the trusted party of Galen. He has “no strategy” even though the Alliance pussy-footing nearly costed them and it was Saw’s protégé that inspired them and his intelligence was on point & managed to stop the Jilandi relay without problems in Rebels.

Again, this is a fandom with Thrawn, Vader, and Maul where people can explain away all their bad traits and make them look good and cute.

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You mean Saw “The Clones once saved Onderon so we’ll give them a choice” “Good relation & trust relationship with Rex” Gerrera? I haven’t seen that but I believe you in saying you’ve encounter it.

Andor (Season 2, Episode 4)

I’ll never forget when this aired and I saw discussion about the episode, people had speculated that Saw planted and killed him under false pretenses. Except Saw had ZERO reason to do that and he had Benthic prove it.

Like I find it funny and ironic anything the radical black character does, people are quick to spin an uncharitable, bad faith take on it. It’s like people got ahold of an actual morally gray character who’s black so they can be weird about him and hide behind how he’s morally bankrupt or how the “writing is so complex”.

Yet it’s his fault Tech dies when it was the Bad Batch that alerted the Summit base. All he does is fight in cold caves & die when he’s the first rebel leader & investigates the Death Star for decades & is the trusted party of Galen. He has “no strategy” even though the Alliance pussy-footing nearly costed them and it was Saw’s protégé that inspired them and his intelligence was on point & managed to stop the Jilandi relay without problems in Rebels.

Again, this is a fandom with Thrawn, Vader, and Maul where people can explain away all their bad traits and make them look good and cute.

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For real. Even though the whole problem started from their end and even Tech suggested abandoning the mission when they noticed things were odd early on.

Andor (Season 2, Episode 4)

I’ll never forget when this aired and I saw discussion about the episode, people had speculated that Saw planted and killed him under false pretenses. Except Saw had ZERO reason to do that and he had Benthic prove it.

Like I find it funny and ironic anything the radical black character does, people are quick to spin an uncharitable, bad faith take on it. It’s like people got ahold of an actual morally gray character who’s black so they can be weird about him and hide behind how he’s morally bankrupt or how the “writing is so complex”.

Yet it’s his fault Tech dies when it was the Bad Batch that alerted the Summit base. All he does is fight in cold caves & die when he’s the first rebel leader & investigates the Death Star for decades & is the trusted party of Galen. He has “no strategy” even though the Alliance pussy-footing nearly costed them and it was Saw’s protégé that inspired them and his intelligence was on point & managed to stop the Jilandi relay without problems in Rebels.

Again, this is a fandom with Thrawn, Vader, and Maul where people can explain away all their bad traits and make them look good and cute.

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A lot of people’s takes on him never make sense and always lean on the bad things he does or makes him look crazy; I remember Andor show having Luthen call him an anarchist & people agreeing with it except Luthen, and many other characters, don’t know his whole character was a outright Royalist that values Onderon’s independence (Onderon’s whole shtick) & he’s pissed the Empire took over.

He surprisingly does not sit well with treating people as expendable which is seems odd given he claims to do what’s necessary. He has ZERO qualms overtime when its people he don’t know or enemies but he does hesitate for people he genuinely knows to be friendly. A recent novel has a Separatist assassin note to himself he believes Gerrera talks more than he’s capable of going through himself, Mothma finds he’s more susceptible to public opinion than he lets on, and Bail’s outlook on him sour him and got him in his feelings. Of course, it’s younger Saw so he would hardened a hella lot more later.

Saw is definitely the complex character people want to pretend Maul, Thrawn, and other fandom favorites to be.

Andor (Season 2, Episode 4)

I’ll never forget when this aired and I saw discussion about the episode, people had speculated that Saw planted and killed him under false pretenses. Except Saw had ZERO reason to do that and he had Benthic prove it.

Like I find it funny and ironic anything the radical black character does, people are quick to spin an uncharitable, bad faith take on it. It’s like people got ahold of an actual morally gray character who’s black so they can be weird about him and hide behind how he’s morally bankrupt or how the “writing is so complex”.

Yet it’s his fault Tech dies when it was the Bad Batch that alerted the Summit base. All he does is fight in cold caves & die when he’s the first rebel leader & investigates the Death Star for decades & is the trusted party of Galen. He has “no strategy” even though the Alliance pussy-footing nearly costed them and it was Saw’s protégé that inspired them and his intelligence was on point & managed to stop the Jilandi relay without problems in Rebels.

Again, this is a fandom with Thrawn, Vader, and Maul where people can explain away all their bad traits and make them look good and cute.

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Saw Gerrera getting short with Tech

Star Wars: Bad Batch Season 1, Episode 1

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I like how even official material would claim that Saw Gerrera abandoned Jyn because he gave into his paranoia when the Rebel Rising book literally covers the events that made him decide this and he explains it plainly in Rogue One; the former had his older protege betray him to the Empire.

You can argue Saw unintentionally became a catalyst for that when he falsely accusing one of his own (Jari) and being in Reece's crew pushed him but Reece also didn't like Jyn at all for humiliating him and did want payback too and Jari did figure it out despite the lengths Saw went to hide her identity. Saw also was nearly killed from the betrayal. Rogue One has him spell it out plainly; people in his group wanted to use her as a hostage and he definitely loved and cared for her like none other. Goodness, the whole point of the character was that he's mischaracterized as "paranoid" when he was right all along; bitch called out the Death Star and the fact only open war would stop the Empire and he was gaslit and his contributions were erased for it.

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Saw Gerrera - Dawn of Rebellion: The Visual Guide

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Andor (Season 2, Episode 4)

I’ll never forget when this aired and I saw discussion about the episode, people had speculated that Saw planted and killed him under false pretenses. Except Saw had ZERO reason to do that and he had Benthic prove it.

Like I find it funny and ironic anything the radical black character does, people are quick to spin an uncharitable, bad faith take on it. It’s like people got ahold of an actual morally gray character who’s black so they can be weird about him and hide behind how he’s morally bankrupt or how the “writing is so complex”.

Yet it’s his fault Tech dies when it was the Bad Batch that alerted the Summit base. All he does is fight in cold caves & die when he’s the first rebel leader & investigates the Death Star for decades & is the trusted party of Galen. He has “no strategy” even though the Alliance pussy-footing nearly costed them and it was Saw’s protégé that inspired them and his intelligence was on point & managed to stop the Jilandi relay without problems in Rebels.

Again, this is a fandom with Thrawn, Vader, and Maul where people can explain away all their bad traits and make them look good and cute.

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Reading Leia, Princess of Alderaan manga and there, this shows a a instance where Breha, asking what Leia spoke to Moff Panaka about, is shocked to learn that their entire conversation was more about Panaka fishing for information about her past and biological parents.

Breha would understand he could of figured her parentage and was literally on his way to tell Emperor Palpatine and his death was a very close call that would of unexpectedly .

I'm actually surprised at how Queen Breha, of all characters, is one that can say she may not like Saw Gerrera's methods but she understands them and agrees Palpatine's rule is going to end through violence. No doubt she is a lot more relieved anyway because Panaka revealed himself too loyal to Palpatine and would of outed the Organa family regardless if they thought he was more sympathetic.

There's actually few instances of her addressing Gerrera and it's always a surprise she doesn't denounce him and even believed the Rebellion owed him a lot more than he got in life and posthumously. But now it makes more sense.

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The more stuff novels f I read with Saw, the more I wonder what the fuck is going on with his character; people keep thinking he is some kinda chaotic anarchist despite the fact he quite literally debuted being a fierce supporter of a monarchy and supporting the "Alliance to Restore the Republic" to the point he believes he will be DEAD before it'll come back even if he is successful. He is not going "fuck governments in general". Also, in the same series he's called an anarchist for not working alongside other cells, he DOES change his mind which people do not ever consider.

The Rebel Rising and Mask of Fear novel also details more of why he dislikes Mothma, Organa, and the other Alliance High Command people; overlooking the obvious, he is a bit specific he dislikes how he is valued only when people need something. Mask of Fear has Organa pissed at Saw in Year One because he used his access traded for help in uncovering the Jedi Order's framing to bomb a re-education center, specifically he did not like it killed Clones but then turns around and inadvertently helps further propaganda regarding Onderonians being terrorists when he covers his actions by looking like a supporter for the Empire and denouncing Saw.

These alludes to his reasons and paranoia in Rebels and Andor (retroactively) but without that context, he just looked fucking crazy.

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The material that DOES cover Saw, especially Rebel Rising where it’s from Jyn’s perspective, shows him to be very pragmatic and hardened, not unhinged. He honest-to-god raised her to be smart, cunning, and fully capable of defending herself and he did not do it to use her: he genuinely saw her as a daughter.

I always do dislike how his bigger media appearance like Rebels and Andor uses other characters’ perspective to make him look dubious; it gives off the impression he loss his marbles.

But that’s what happen when his character is only explored in-depth within novels.

I'm really surprised Jyn isn't insane after getting raised by Saw since she was a kid.

Like imagine if Jyn was as unhinged as Saw in Rogue One

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He did WHAT?!

Damn, May.

We got Cad Bane laying pipe AND Saw Gerrera doing space whippets.

All in the same month.

What a time to be alive.

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Because he “killed Tech” among other things involving him not being nice to protagonists when it comes to hardships of war.

Kinda like Mace when he holds Anakin accountable or calls him into question instead of just trusting him because he’s the MC.

i still don’t get why people don’t like saw gerrera. he’s like the best guy around

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Do you know where to read the Star Wars comic 'Crossing the line'

There’s a collected edition / trade paper back titled “Star Wars: Rebels” published by Dark Horse Comics in which has all the “Magazine” stories rolled into one.

That story is included in it!