nondisordered-did

[nondisordered-did]

Anti endos, genuine question. We are a non disordered system, we don't fit the criteria for any complex dissociative disorder at all and our plurality is not distressing to us. We, however, are traumagenic. Would you consider us able to go into traumagenic spaces? Or do you only think CDD traumagenic systems exist?

[nondisordered-did]

I could already smell the US defaultism from the first post... Why do USA citizens ALWAYS assume the person talking is also in the USA?? What if they're Arab, Russian or Asian? What if they are in a transphobic country????? Yeah, for them, it won't be accessible. Also. I don't think recommending DIY is really safe.

"its not safe for me to transition right now" girl have you read the news its not safe to drink milk or eat medium rare cheeseburgers or go in public without a respirator anymore stop making excuses lets get you some estrogen

[nondisordered-did]

Do NOT do that: DO "argue" with them.

Start plain text: Do NOT do that: DO "argue" with them. End plain text.

“You will never win because they do not want to change their mind.”

Yes but no. Some WILL change their mind at some times, and we should help them!! Thinking like this does NOT help recovering fascists! Also, winning is not about who stopped the first or who stopped the last, it's about who gave real and correct sources.

“Correct fascist misinformation only when the fascists themselves aren't present or the target of the information.”

No. ALWAYS correct fascist misinformation. You do not do it only for the fascist, you do it for other people too.

“Treating fascist ideas with any sort of dignity normalizes them as rational opinion that normal people have.”

Yes, it shouldn't be normalized. But arguing with a fascist is not the same as normalizing the ideas. Also, fascists are also normal people. Because everyone is fucking normal, as normality does NOT exist. Also, a lot of fascist are isolated, bullied, abused, neglected, scared etc. people. Does this mean we should forgive them for having these ideas? No, but we should be aware of their past.

“Do not provide fascist arguments with detailed rebuttals with evidence and sources and explanations as to why they are wrong.”

Do it. You are online, other people will see what the fascist will have said. You don't do that for them BUT FOR OTHERS. Untouched and non debunked fascist posts do more damage than touched and debunked ones.

“Do not let them put you in a position where you have to be the one on defense, rather, just call them what they are: Nasty annoying douchebags that are being hateful.”

Again: you don't argue for them, but for other people. Whether you are in defense or not is not important. And, please!! Do NOT insult people online, ever, even more when you are arguing! It will just make you look like a jerk, and the fascist could easily say "I am not listening to you because you insulted me". Also, fascists don't care about being called hateful or anything, you know? Also, fascists insult too, a lot. I cannot recall the number of times we got sent "🧃" (which is a way Neo Nazis say "Jude" which means Jewish which is supposed to be an insult, and is one to them.) by neo-Nazis we were arguing with. Do anti-fa really want to use the methods fascists use? Seriously?

“Shut down their stupid hateful arguments by calling them fucking stupid and hateful and refusing to give them the time of the day.”

You do NOT shut down their arguments by calling them stupid and hateful. In fact, you only make yourself look like an asshole. It will also make them create a new argument: "Anti-fa aren't good because they insult people." Yeah, fascists also insult people but please remember that these people are ready to do incredible unbelievable mental gymnastics to say that you can be both queer and fascist.

“Let them make a fool of themselves by trying to prove their obviously bigoted bullshit talking points aren't bigoted bullshit.”

Again no. You don't debunk their bigoted points for them, but for anyone that might see their bigoted points. Also, you do know that they'll be praised by their peers because to them, they proved what they wanted to, right? That's how echo chambers work.

“The proper response is "what the fuck is wrong with you, you racist fucking asshole".”

The proper response is giving statistics, correct sources and information. You do NOT do it for the fascist but for other people. Also, can we like, not say to potentially mentally ill or traumatized people 'what the fuck is wrong with you'? If they're old, maybe they're not mentally ill or traumatized, they might still be, but if they're young they're probably mentally ill and/or traumatized. Or just don't say this at all, it's an incredible ableist and sanist sentence. And again, don't insult people online even more when you are arguing or having a debate.

I do not want people to be surprised when we say this:

We'd rather be friends with a recovering Neo-Nazi than an anti-fa (not as against facism but as a part of the anti-fa movement)

Plain text start: We'd rather be friends with a recovering Neo-Nazi than an anti-fa (not as against facism but as a part of the anti-fa movement). Plain text end.

And the recovering neo-Nazi probably has no friends or people they're close to because they all were in the neo-Nazi group and they rejected them when they quit. And being alone while recovering from a hate group is very hard even more when you were very active in it, it often can lead to depression, self harm and even suicide.

Do not under any circumstances, argue with fascists.

You will never win because they do not want to change their minds. All they want is to have an argument- to make their position seem rational and normal

Correct fascist misinformation only when the fascists themselves aren't present or the target of the information. So they won't be automatically platformed for running their mouths in response.

Treating fascist ideas with any sort of dignity normalizes them as a rational opinion that normal people have. These are not normal ideas. Do not treat them as such.

Do not provide fascist arguments with detailed rebuttals with evidence and sources and explanations as to why they are wrong.

Do not let them put you in a position where you have to be the one on defense, rather, just call them what thry are: Nasty annoying douchebags that are being hateful.

Shut down their stupid hateful arguments by calling them fucking stupid and hateful and refusing to give them the time of day.

Let them make a fool of themselves by trying to prove their obviously bigoted bullshit talking points aren't bigoted bullshit.

The proper response to "immigrants are rapist criminals that need to be deported" is not to provide statistics about how productive immigrants are and how few crimes they commit. The proper response is "what the fuck is wrong with you, you racist fucking asshole".

[nondisordered-did]

this is a good take and we agree with this! i don't think i have anything to add, though i think we saw this kind of thing from anti endos mostly but maybe we just didn't get to see it from the other side.

it really is incredible to me how anti endos act like they can't agree with pro or neu endos on a system post unrelated to system origins at all. this is really saddening. if i see a proshipper or a radqueer make a good point that i agree with, then i will like/reblog it if it's unrelated to proshipping or being radqueer.

[nondisordered-did]

it really is incredible to me how anti endos act like they can't agree with pro or neu endos on a system post unrelated to system origins at all. this is really saddening. if i see a proshipper or a radqueer make a good point that i agree with, then i will like/reblog it if it's unrelated to proshipping or being radqueer.

[nondisordered-did]

THE USERNAME IS A JOKE.

[P.T: THE USERNAME IS A JOKE. End P.T]

(intro under the more)

Syscourse centered blog owned by a non disordered traumagenic system. we are a arospec gay trans agender man who uses it/its. we are pro-endo however anyone can interact with this blog.

we are pragmatic and use critical thinking. WE ARE A MINOR. no, this doesn't mean we are a child. we identify as a liberal/centrist leftist lean. we are a misanthrope and a real life coyote and zombie.

We have NPD, autism and are in general very disordered. It WILL affect how we act.

[P.T: We have NPD, autism and are in general very disordered. It WILL affect how we act. End P.T]

Some of our stance so you can block us if you want:

-pro endo, all endos and non disordered plural/system

-pro harm reduction and recovery

-anti forced recovery

-anti pro/com/darkship

-anti radqueer

-pro non radqueer transID

-pro radinclus

-pro non contact paraphilias

tag directory:

runsys!!: for syscourse

flyingcars:(: for the worst take ever

objection!: other discourse, like queer discourse or ship discourse

mybad: correcting myself cuz no-one's perfect (i am but shhhh)

yapyap: talking or off topic

letters!: responding asks

mysterious...: anon asks

xoxox: hate asks (cuz ik we'll get them)