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#1) jughead’s time police
downahill · 2 years
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riverdale showing the military is corrupt and rotten at its core (season 5) like the prison system (season 2-3) like the police force (whatever the season was w sherif minetta) like private schools (stonewall prep season) like public schools (underfunded after the time jump/the reveal that mr honey was watching tickling videos at david lynch’s movie store) like college admissions (hiram buying veronica entry into harvard) like political campaigns (season 2) like organized religion (all seasons) like the heteronormative nuclear family (JUGHEAD’S NIGHTMARE IN SEASON 1) like suburbia (all seasons) like the government (all seasons) like SOCIETY…………….
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jugheadvarchoni · 26 days
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That anonymous comment actually got me thinking tho…
I’ve read some Archie Comics but I know there is so much I still need to explore. Does ANYBODY have suggestions for what they believe are essential Archie Comics stories/books?
Here’s what I have read:
• The Archie 2015 line by Mark Waid
- I’ve read the trade paperbacks of 1-6, plus Vol 1 by Nick Spencer
- Zdarsky’s Jughead comic (elite work btw)
- I have Betty/Veronica + Reggie & Me on my to-do list
• Bite Sized Archie
• Jughead’s Time Police
• Bunch of digests
- World of Archie
- World of Betty & Veronica
- Showcase Digests
- Archie Milestones
- Archie + Betty/Veronica double digests
- Mostly the newer ones tho, since a lot of them are sold out on the Archie Comics website
• Judgment Day
• Truth or Dare
• The Archies (2017-2018)
• Blossoms 666
That’s it right now! I just started reading the Riverdale: Ties That Bind book too.
Sooooo yeah! Please let me know if you think there are other runs or one-shots I should read!
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darkshrimpemotions · 1 year
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so, having watched the first 6 seasons… what did you think of riverdale? did you like it? i'm interested in hearing your thoughts on the show :))
I genuinely cannot believe a show with the premise of "edgy grimdark take on Archie comics" is so fucking good. It has no business being this good. No business whatsoever.
Season 1? A murder mystery in a small town full of odd characters and secrets, family issues and generational traumas. Pretty standard CW fare, but with an added element of class commentary that was surprisingly thoughtful. Every character is so interesting and well fleshed out. Every episode feels so intentional. Fantastic balance of plot and character development with an ending I TRULY did not see coming. 10/10
Season 2 is more of a thriller, or a slasher even. Funnily enough though the plot got more sensational, the characters felt more grounded. The story felt very character focused and driven. Every insane detail made perfect sense in the context of what the characters were dealing with. They also really built on the class commentary from season 1 and fleshed out the world of Riverdale. Iconic Jughead moments in every episode. 11/10
Season 3 focused far more on plot, sometimes to the direct detriment of characters in ways that frustrated me. But the plot was interesting enough to keep me from being too bitter about that, especially as the season went on and the character-driven storytelling started to reassert itself. Overall I preferred seasons 1 and 2, but season 3 is iconic in its own way for sure. Betty supremacy this season! 9.5/10
Season 4 was a welcome return to what I genuinely consider to be the central theme of Riverdale as a whole: class struggle and the wicked excesses and abuses of the capitalist elites. I loved the return to more grounded, character-focused storytelling, and the boarding school mystery is a classic trope. It was also nice seeing the characters less siloed into separate stories and more in pairs or groups. There were definitely storylines I cared about more than others (Veronica's endless cycle with her dad began to grate after three seasons of the same shit over and over; I wanted to see her win!). But overall it was a fantastic season that made incredible use of its non-linear storytelling device. Also? Cooper-Jones family absolutely owned this season for me. 12/10
Season 5 was hard for me at first. I balked at the state of everyone after the time jump, especially Veronica ans Jughead. But eventually I realized that the thing that made me balk so hard was how heartbreakingly realistic it was. Once I got past that, I was able to truly enjoy this extremely grounded small town political drama. Archie and Veronica really shone this season, though I continued to be frustrated by Ronnie and Hiram's storyline. This was definitely the season where Archie came into his own, though, and in my opinion Veronica's true victory over her father as well. Toni had a much more central story as well, given how deeply entwined with Riverdale and the Serpents she is, which I loved. This felt like a more adult take on seasons 1 and 2, with the characters now adults who are fully responsible for how their community turns out, rather than kids just trying to survive it. 10/10
Season 6 was pure unfiltered wackadoo in the best way possible. The writers have never adhered to genre conventions, but in this season they took genre as a concept, ran it through a crosscut paper shredder, burned the scraps, and scattered the ashes. The addition of magic made an odd kind of sense given Riverdale exists in the same universe as Greendale, and the Rivervale episodes had me riveted and horrified. The fact that magic in Riverdale is grounded in pre-existing worldbuilding and character development certainly helps. Like of course Betty can see threatening auras and Pop's is the final battleground between good and evil! Of course the devil is a businessman and angels are comrades! Of course the police are corrupt agents of violent control! Riverdale really said the ultimate battle between good and evil is fought with unions, mutual aid, and class solidarity. Chef's kiss. 27/10
I cannot wait to see how it all ends. Though I'll be sad that it's over.
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arrestdujour · 2 years
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jamsofdeath0 · 2 years
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Proof qi could generate Riverdale plots, via ai generated Riverdale plots.
"Jughead's Disaster"
1. The biggest mistake I ever made was buying a house with a basement...
2. I was never really interested in anything until my senior year of high school. And then I became obsessed with becoming a lawyer.
3. I got pregnant at 17 years old! There were no abortion clinics back then, and I had to go to the only clinic in town, where they would tell me that if I didn't want to carry to term, I could have the fetus aborted.
4. After going through some tough times, I eventually decided to put myself through college, and graduated with a degree in Law Enforcement. I spent 10 years working for the police department before deciding to start my own business.
5. My first business venture was Jughead's Disaster, Inc., the world's largest and finest provider of disaster services. I hired a bunch of people who couldn't do their jobs and charged them an outrageous amount of money for doing nothing. Within 6 months, we went bankrupt.
6. The second time around, I started my own landscaping company. We did well for a while, but after a while, everything turned to shit again. So I took out loans I knew I wouldn't be able to pay off, bought a brand-new truck, and started a lawn care service.
7. That lasted about 5 minutes. When I tried to cut grass, I realized that I wasn't as good as I thought I was. Plus, our customer base kept shrinking over the course of the summer. To make matters worse, our customers kept complaining about the smell coming from our trucks.
8. In desperation, I decided to become a real estate agent, since I figured that I'd be good at selling houses. Well, I'm not great at selling houses, but I am pretty damn good at finding houses to buy. I've been looking for a house for 2 weeks now.
9. All I need is a place to sleep for the night, a bathroom, a kitchen, a job, and a nice home to live in. But I'll settle for any of those things right now.
10. If you're reading this, I'm probably still alive. I don't know what happened to that email I sent you guys. I hope you all enjoy the rest of your day.
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Jughead's fantastical day out
1. "The journey begins."
This line represents Jughead's way of starting things off. He always starts something at the beginning and finishes it off completely. When he's not thinking about his friends, he's worrying about them. So, we know where his headspace is right now. He probably got some good news, but isn't sure how to react.
2. What kind of car?
We know he loves cars. But what kind of car? Maybe he's been looking forward to driving around town with his buds on Saturday. That's pretty exciting!
3. "I've never done anything like this before. I'm nervous."
He's finally doing something he wants to do, but he's still nervous about it. That could mean that he's going to get caught. Or maybe he thinks he'll have fun without getting caught, but then again - who knows?! Jughead's just excited to go somewhere new, so he doesn't want to disappoint anyone.
4. "What if I don't like it?"
Jughead doesn't want to do things unless he likes them. If he hates it, he may run home early. But, if he does love it, he might stay longer than expected!
5. "But I'm supposed to meet my friends here..."
He knows he should be meeting his buddies, but he also wants to hangout first. We'll bet they're all worried about him, especially once they find out that he didn't show up to work.
6. "Maybe I can hang out with them later?"
If he gets bored hanging out with his friends, he'll go back home. If he really misses them, though, he might decide to stay longer.
7. "This is the last thing I need. A bad day at work."
His boss is probably mad. His coworkers are probably pissed off since they think he's messing up their plans. And his friends will definitely tell him about this later. Why is he even doing this?
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Jughead's disasters
1. A Weed Man Named Jughead
In his youth, Jughead was a member of a famous gang whose members wore blue jackets and were known by their nickname, the Blue Meanies. One day, he fell out with the gang leader, who told him to leave town. Jughead responded, "I'm going to kill you," and went home. He got drunk and shot his father dead. When police arrived at the scene, they arrested him for murder instead of being allowed to shoot him again.
Jughead's mother had been married before, and she divorced her second husband after learning about Jughead's crime. She then married a widower named Nuggety McSnooterson, who adopted two children who were also raised as members of the gang. Nuggety and his wife renamed themselves The Snoots and moved to a farm outside of town where they grew marijuana to help raise money for their adopted children's college education.
Nuggety's first harvest yielded only enough marijuana to pay off the mortgage on their house. Jughead learned about Nuggety's growing operation, and he decided to take over the business. He renamed himself Dr. Crippen (after the infamous serial killer) and began making plans to kill Nuggety and his family. Meanwhile, Nuggety's son Jack realized what was happening and tried to warn his parents, but Jughead had already poisoned them both.
Jack survived long enough to call the police, but Jughead took revenge on him too. After killing Jack, Jughead turned his attention to Nuggety's teenage daughter, Ginger. He kidnapped her and brought her back to his lair, hoping that she would witness her father's death. Unfortunately, the girl escaped and ran away from home. She eventually joined her boyfriend, a young man named Jeffy Jones, who had left school to work at the local factory.
Jeffy knew Jughead well, since they attended the same church. He was happy to see that Jughead had finally changed his ways, but the two men still did not get along. The night before Jeffy was supposed to go away to college, he came home to find Jughead waiting for him. Jeffy was forced to sit down while Jughead explained his plan to kill Nuggety. He said that he wanted to make a fresh start in life and asked Jeffy to join him in the drug trade.
Jughead offered Jeffy $10,000 if he agreed to become his partner. That night, Jeffy went to sleep on the couch, thinking that he would have plenty of time to decide whether or not to accept Jughead's offer. But when he woke up the next morning, he found himself alone. Jughead had fled without saying goodbye, leaving Jeffy to wonder just how much money he really stood to gain from the deal.
Jughead soon returned to his lair with a new partner named Sludge. Together, they planned to sell drugs to middle-class citizens in order to finance their elaborate scheme to destroy the entire community. Their first big job was to steal a shipment of cocaine from a nearby warehouse belonging to Mr. Biggs, who was a rival drug dealer.
The following day, they drove to the warehouse, where they waited until Mr. Biggs' truck pulled up. Then, they followed behind him and watched as he loaded the cocaine onto his truck. As he walked back to his office, they jumped out of their car and seized the drugs. When Mr. Biggs saw that his truck was missing, he called the police. Soon, officers from the sheriff's department surrounded the warehouse. They searched everywhere but could not find any sign of the thieves.
Later that evening, Jughead and Sludge were relaxing in their hideout when the police showed up again. They searched the premises and found some blood that had spilled onto the floor. They suspected that someone had been injured inside the building, and they rushed to investigate further.
Inside the warehouse, they discovered the bodies of Mr. Biggs and his employees. There was no sign of Jughead or Sludge anywhere. They had vanished. In fact, no trace of anyone had ever been near the site of the crime. All of the evidence pointed to the conclusion that Jughead had killed Mr. Biggs and stole his cocaine. The police arrested Jughead and charged him with murder.
When the trial date approached, Jeffy decided to testify on behalf of his friend. As he described the events of the previous night, he mentioned that he had never seen Jughead carrying a gun. He added that he had always believed in his friend's good intentions, so he could not understand why Jughead had tried to kill Nuggety (and his family). However, he admitted that he had seen the pair together many times before, and he remembered that Jughead had boasted to him about his intention to kill Nuggety so that he could inherit the family fortune.
This evidence seemed to undermine Jughead's alibi. Police searched his house and found several guns hidden under the floorboards. They charged him with double homicide and attempted theft. Jeffy testified on Jughead's behalf, explaining that he had lied about seeing the guns on purpose. He said that he had been afraid that Jughead would try to kill him if he revealed the truth.
After hearing Jeffy's testimony, the jury acquitted Jughead of all charges. He and his accomplice had managed to fool everyone, including the judge and the jury and they felt confident that they could do the same thing again.
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“Crisis on the Riverdale Earths” in Archie FCBD 2021, written by Bill Golliher, art by Pat and Tim Kennedy (pencils) and Bob Smith (inks)
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askandsmile · 2 years
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I definitely believe this season is being inspired by different comic books : 1. Jughead Time Police. And we already have a confirmation from 605 that they took plot lines from there. 2. The Married Life AU which is so familiar specially in the Varchie front and the mines. 3. One comic book where there’s 2 Cheryl’s (sadly forgot the name) but it works out for Cheryl’s and Abigail story lines. 4. The Sabrina vs Riverdale recent comic books in which they’re all exists in different universes so Sabrina has to come and wipe their memories of one of them.
I think everything will tie with different comic book story lines:
1. Jughead Time Police because they’re obviously using different Jughead’s that exist in different universes. Vale!Jughead most likely being the one writing stuff that happened from Vale into this world. The bunker seems to be a portal between the universes.
2. The Married Life Comic Book is being used as inspiration for the other universes as a parallel world which is why they’re "exploring BA" in a way, because in the Married Life AU the other universes were supposed to be a life without Veronica but with Betty and also, Jughead is dating a girl that owns Pop’s in the comic book as well, which isn’t subtle at all.
3. For the Cheryl’s and Abigail thing, they’ll link all of this to her creating the universes with her spell on 517, being the mines explosion a situation that amplified her powers to the point of this happening – and Abigail’s curse.
4. The Riverdale and Sabrina Comic books because they’ll obviously will use Sabrina to give them information about different universes since that already happened in CAOS. They already wipe their memories out on 605 and I wouldn’t be surprised if they did for 622 as well but they’ll give them the memories of 605 first so they could fix the universes again – this is how they’ll bring the og couples back into the plot (not together but to get the tides turning) but they’ll know what happened, specially in the BH front. They’ll going to have them fix it together again before erasing it again.
RAS is using comic books a lot for this season and we already know that these characters "memories" exist in the form of comic books – I think Dale exists in the comics so this is why when Jughead was organizing the comic books was when he got the Betty flashbacks – memories that he probably couldn’t remember until he read them. RAS using comic books as inspiration for new material isn’t weird.
A+++ analysis, nonnie. There's admittedly so much inspo from comics this season, which are part of the Archieverse and this multiverse stuff. We get Jugehads Time Police, Afterlife with Archie, Married Life, Superteens, Blossoms 666, Weird Mysteries, Sabrina, etc. We'll see how it unfolds but I don't think you're too off the mark!
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sonseulsoleil · 2 years
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Asking you about Jughead Time Police
Is he their founder? Their #1 most wanted time criminal? Both? I hope it's both. That sounds like fun a character arc.
agsksk oh my god, I didn't think someone would actually ask, thank you so much for this
so, Jughead's Time Police is a series from the 90s in which Jughead is drafted into the "time police" which is a futuristic law enforcement agency that is dedicated to stopping "time anomalies"--essentially moments across time/history where the timeline has become distorted by sinister forces. It's pretty fun honestly, they travel to the way distant future and to the past and it's kinda cheesy but honestly a good time.
but the TRULY WILD part of this series, the part that I want everyone to know about, is the character January McAndrews. January is a teenage girl from hundreds and hundreds of years in the future and an agent of the time police. Most of the adventures Jughead goes on in the series are with her. And it's a recurring plot thread that Jughead and January have this star-crossed lovers thing going on where they're dating but she always has to go back to the future where she's from and they can't really be together because it will screw up the timeline.
And January is a direct--albeit distant--descendant of Archie Andrews. She even kind of looks like him (red hair, freckles). And she is portrayed in some of these time police stories as the great doomed romance of Jughead's life. That's fucking bonkers, imo.
On top of all of that, these stories attempt to feel like part of the larger Archie comics canonicity, so they start and end like. Super normal Jughead comics and then go entirely off the rails.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that in the time police series, Jughead's beanie is his time travel device, and he just has to think of the time he wants to go to and the beanie takes him there. AND in the future that January is from, Jughead is a legendary hero because of his work with the time police. So she knows of him before they even meet which is so. Weird. The whole thing is so freaking WEIRD.
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arotechno · 3 years
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Jughead (2015), Issues 1-6: Discussion and Commentary
"I am like unto a god, Archie Andrews. Respect me as such."
Recently re-typed and ready to go, here is a broad discussion of the first volume of the Jughead reboot comic series. I was originally going to review each issue individually, but given that the first six comprise one story arc, I decided to do the whole volume in one go. That means this is a bit crunched for time and therefore not quite as in-depth as I wanted to go! But I encourage you to read the comics for yourself, if you are able.
This will not be spoiler-free, for the record! The images here are taken from my own copy using my phone, so they're not the best quality! But they also aren't especially crucial to this commentary, so you'll have to bear with me.
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I just really like the inside cover art for this volume, alright (it's also the cover of issue 5)? I can't help it, I'm aro, I see heart imagery and something in my brain goes haywire.
When we first meet Jughead at the beginning of Volume 1, he comes off as lazy and apathetic, at least on the surface. After an all-nighter of playing video games, Jughead is dragged to school by Archie. There, they find that Betty has started a new campaign to save Fox Forest, a beloved local greenspace that is being threatened by Veronica’s wealthy father, Mr. Lodge. Jughead is… not very interested in Betty’s cause, to put it politely. It’s not that he doesn’t care about Fox Forest, but he does not believe that Mr. Lodge would be convinced to change his mind by a petition. He tells Betty as such, and she remarks that he lives a very hollow life.
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“Man, you’re so cynical,” Archie tells him. “Is there anything you’d actually fight for?”
The answer is yes. What ultimately gets Jughead to fight for something? Food—well, kind of, but we’re getting ahead of ourselves.
When Archie and Jughead get to class, they learn that the principal of Riverdale High, Mr. Weatherbee, is being replaced out of the blue by a new guy called Stanger. Stanger is a stiff, serious type, and he immediately starts making changes: new uptight teachers, a strict dress code, new bootcamp-esque curriculum, and most importantly, supposedly nutritious slop to replace the food in the cafeteria.
This sends Jughead down a bit of a rebellious path—he’s not a rule-breaker, but he’s perfectly comfortable with bending the rules in his favor while narrowly skirting around getting into trouble. He starts selling burgers in the cafeteria, with the proceeds benefitting Betty’s fundraiser for Fox Forest.
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(Hell yeah, Jughead, unionize that student body! Sell those burgers! You have nothing to lose but your chains!)
This stunt gets Jughead on Stanger’s bad side immediately, and a slowly simmering feud between them ultimately boils over when Stanger plants a knife in Jughead’s backpack to get him expelled. Thankfully, his dad is able to talk his sentence down to a week’s suspension, but that doesn’t stop his friends (and his mother) from worrying about him.
As an aside, I’d like to take a moment to appreciate Mr. Jones.
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“Something’s off here and I’m not sure what it is, but I am sure Jughead didn’t bring a knife to school. My boy’s weird, but he’s not a criminal.”
I really like this line from him to Betty. He clearly knows his son and is willing to stand up for him, and it’s comforting to me, especially viewing the story through the lens of Jughead being aroace, that Mr. Jones is not at all bothered by his son being a bit on the strange side, as long as he’s still a good kid. Nothing but respect for Forsythe Jones II in this house.
Something fun and unique about this volume in particular is that in every issue, Jughead either falls asleep or passes out, and has an elaborate imaginative dream about the events of the story. In one he’s a pirate, for example, and in another he’s visited by a descendant of Archie’s from the future, who belongs to the time police. But towards the end of the volume, the line between these daydreams and reality seem to blur for Jughead. He comes to the conclusion in one particular nightmare that Stanger is trying to brainwash them all into becoming mindless agents for his evil organization—and then he realizes he may not be that far off from the truth.
Jughead brings this realization—that Stanger is using the school as a sort of training ground for secret agents—up to his friends, and understandably, they aren’t convinced. They worry that the compounded exhaustion of multiple all-nighters playing games and the stress of being suspended has started to get to Jughead, but he vows to prove it to them.
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I mean, damn, Betty, that kind of hurts. (Don’t worry, Betty is actually a good friend, as I’m sure we’ll get into later in the series.)
To make a long story short (and to avoid spoiling the entire plot for those who haven’t read it!), Jughead does find proof, and once he does, his friends are immediately on board. They are ultimately able to save the day, and once it’s revealed that Stanger and the new teachers are ex-CIA trying to brainwash the students (no, seriously), Mr. Weatherbee is re-instated as principal and things return to normal.
I’m leaving out a lot of nuanced details, mostly for the sake of time, but there are a lot of surprisingly weighty moments to this first arc, and Zdarsky’s character writing is incredibly endearing and funny, while still hitting the serious moments when it needs to. There’s an interesting underlying commentary in this arc about military recruitment and U.S. propaganda; Stanger says that he specifically chose Riverdale because the students are so average. There’s something to be said here about the way the military industrial complex preys on average or underprivileged teenagers to convince them to serve when they feel they have no better path to take. It’s an almost funnily serious commentary for Zdarsky to make with a seemingly silly and off-beat comic series, and I respect him for that.
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(If you recognize this panel, it’s because it appears on the page where Jughead’s asexuality is canonized. What a good page. So good that nobody ever points out this panel.)
By the end of Volume 1, we see that Jughead maybe isn’t as apathetic and careless as he seemed to be. Sure, he got up in arms about food of all things in the beginning, but it stopped being about food very quickly, once he realized that something truly messed up was going on. And it bothers him, deeply—at one point, the gravity of the situation begins to weigh on him so heavily that he nearly gives up entirely, convinced that there is nothing they can do and that they ought to just lie low until they make it out. But he does end up making things right, with the help of his friends, and in the end, he does decide to help Betty out after all. It’s the least he can do, really. You do get the impression that although Jughead’s friends often don’t take him seriously, they’ll always have his back when it counts—and he’ll do the same for them, even if he’ll insist on being a bit snarky about it.
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(That slightly cynical attitude is still there, though, and truthfully, Jughead wouldn’t be the same without it.)
To close out, I am just going to share some of my favorite panels/quotes that didn’t fit elsewhere, including some choice Aro Moods. I hope this (admittedly brief) discussion of Volume 1 convinces you to read the comics, and to join me again when I cover the next arc. Until then, cheers to Chip and Erica.
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Jughead’s attitude towards Archie’s romantic problems will never not be funny to me. He’s just like “RIP to you but I’m different.”
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Kevin. :/ Kevin come on, man. Mr. Zdarsky, sir, this is character assassination. (Jughead’s face in the corner is a reasonable reaction.)
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This one’s gone around so many times before (as have a bunch of other aro moments that I don’t think I need to bother re-posting here), but I just think it’s neat. Don’t worry, Betty lets go.
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Aaand lastly, I just really like this line from Jughead. “The world is out of our hands, pal. You just gotta make your own weird way in it.” That we do, Jughead. That we do.
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RVD S.1 E.1
Every kind of spoiler warning.
I am rewatching RVD from S1 Ep 1 after going through the entire series in one long binge because I feel like I must’ve hallucinated some of the stuff I remember happening and I really liked Season 5, where everyone’s life has gone kind of wrong, and I want to see them as Sophomores again.
- Is Riverdale  actually a small town?  There’s a forest with a big river, but this small town is big enough to have a ‘wrong side’ of the tracks, and there’s some place in ‘town’ that has dark alleyways in which crimes happen, and a sort of inner city space (like, where MadDog lives and where Jughead later raids with his gang).  And later in this episode, the halls of Riverdale High look extremely crowded. 
- Alice Cooper wishing that a dead 16 year old boy (who impregnated her daughter) would burn in hell as the town is watching the police trawl the river for his corpse is really quite vicious.
- Betty is in a bra when Kevin is hanging out with her in her bedroom. Does this mean Kevin has seen Betty naked?  Is this normal in best gay friendships for these Gen Z people? Was it ever? He also tells Betty to take “The Ginger Bull by the horns tonight!” which gets funnier each time I think about it.
- There’s an astonishingly beautiful young extra sitting behind Archie when he and his rapist teacher are exchanging infatuated looks at the assembly.  Show business is so weird and unfair.
Veronica is popping out to me in this reviewing of the entire series (I’ve gotten to S. 5 Ep 10 and am going back to the beginning).
- I love Veronica’s introduction. Now that I know how Veronica will behave over the course of the next five seasons, I love her in this fresh-from-New York state, with the pearls.  I also love how she wears that cape to go pick up burgers, reminds me a bit of Lynn Bracken’s introduction in L.A Confidential, at the liquor shop.
- Veronica gets a slo-mo entry, justified in context, when she first enters Pop’s!  I had started to think only Cheryl got these. And Cheryl’s slo-mo glamour shots are just in her head usually.
- Why are black haired people the morally ambiguous ones in this world?  Veronica, the Lodges, Jughead, all the black haired and dark-brunette Serpents, Reggie v. 1 and v.2 ...
- Veronica talks only in references and I feel like Jughead would be the only one to understand them (”I am Breakfast at Tiffany’s but this place is strictly In Cold Blood”).  Jughead and Veronica are superficial and pretentious in the same way and I love them both for it.  Oh, and Breakfast at Tiffany’s, the book? Veronica hasn’t read it - the reference she’s making is to the Audrey Hepburn movie, which is the highly sanitized version of that book.  So what she means is, I am Peak Audrey Hepburn and this town like the true crime book.  Archie has no idea what she’s just said, and Betty knows it, and he laughs anyway. 
- I was the new girl in school every 2 years K-12 and I am so in love with Veronica’s determination to make something better happen in this new school. I love the puppy way she latches on to Betty.
Jughead
- S1 Ep 1 is really very much Archie’s show.  I’m shocked at how little screentime Jughead actually gets.  He gets to be such a huge presence in the later episodes  and seasons, and becomes a stealth-protagonist who gets his own unacknowledged spinoff inside the show. They will keep sending Jughead to places where Archie can’t go and is unknown, because when Archie is present Jughead can’t be the protagonist.  But this stealing of ground from Archie must’ve been an organic development as the show kept looking for more material to expand on as the seasons went on, because this is not the set up in this initial episode.
- Jughead totally acts like a sour ex boyfriend in his first on-screen conversation with Archie, including being supremely irritated that Archie is not looking for him when they end up meeting in the diner. Plus Archie is pretty brutal when he calls Betty his ‘best friend’ when it’s clear that Archie is Jughead’s ‘only friend.’  And Jughead is so used to this too. 
- I’d gotten to thinking Jughead was feline-faced but he’s not. He’s more rodent-faced.  And compared to Archie’’s clean cut sharp-jawline face, much more feminine.  
- On rewatch I thought Jughead was too smirky and vibrated with ‘unsettled’ energy that clashed badly with Archie’s more naturalistic acting.  
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Little Betty tries to get Time Police Jughead's attention in Crisis on the Riverdale Earths, Archie's 80th Anniversary Digest #1 (2021).
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Archie Thoughts.
First I just want to put a diclaimer here before anyone reads further I am going to talk about some sensitve topics surrounding abuse so please be cautious if you think that might be triggering or upsetting for you. 
Ok so I’ve been rewatching season 1 and I’ve been thinking about that line from Archie in the pilot episode when he and Veronica are in the cupboard and he says ‘I have never felt whatever it is I’m suppose to feel with Betty.’ This line is really interesting to me for a number of reasons particularly the way its worded. The first is he never uses the word love, he doesn’t say I have never been in love with Betty. This is especially interesting because the other day RAS said that Betty and Archie have said they love each other implying that Archie did love Betty in a romantic way back in the pilot. So if he did feel love for Betty then why did he say this? Well watching the scene again I noticed a couple of things. For one he seemed very confused and unsure when he was saying it. He hesitates between the line ‘I have never felt’ and ‘whatever it is I’m suppose to feel with Betty.’ It’s almost as if in that minute he’s thinking about how he feels about Betty to double check that he hasn’t felt that feeling. Another thing that makes this line somewhat odd is that later in the season Archie admits that a part of him always believed he would be with Betty. This and the line he says to Veronica are two very contradicting terms particularly the words always and never. But I think there is an explanation for it and unfortunately it is a very sad one. Right after saying this Veronica asks him if he has ever felt it and he replies this summer. This is obviously meaning with Miss Grundy. We know that Archie believed that he was in love with Grundy and this is because she groomed and taught him that lust equals love which is a common tactic that abusers will use. Archie was a young teenage boy who was experiencing alot of these feelings of desire and lust for the first time and Grundy manipulated him into believing that these feelings were ones of love. So now Archie is very confused because he now believes having a strong sexual attraction to a person is the same as being in love with a person. However he has never felt that overwhelming sexual desire for Betty. With Betty his feelings are deeper than that and more innocent. But because he doesn’t feel that lust around her he thinks that must mean he doesn’t love her. I think this also ties into that line from Wicked Little Town Reprise ‘Forgive me for I did not know, for I was just a boy.’ At that time he was too young and too much under Miss Grundy’s influence to understand his own feelings. I think he only gets more confused when he is in that closet with Veronica as I do think he is feeling desire and lust for Veronica in that moment, again they are both hormonal teenagers locked in a very tight space together. As a result he starts to think this must mean he’s in love with Veronica because he is feeling very similar feelings as he does with Miss Grundy. Now I just want to make it clear, I am not saying that he never loved Veronica I do think he comes to I’m just saying I don’t think he was in love with her at this very moment, he was just getting confused between lust and love. I think as he gets older and his and Veronica’s relationship develops he begins to understand the difference. But I also think this confusion between the two feelings is what leads to him taking so long to start something with Veronica. He is trying to sort out what he is feeling. Is this lust or do I actually like this girl? I do feel like Veronica was a large part of him being able to discern the difference between the two emotions as with Veronica he feels both. He feels lust for her but he also feels that love for her too. I might not be a Varchie shipper but I can still appreciate that Veronica was important in helping Archie heal and understand his emotions more. 
Going back to season 1 though, I also think Archie is only further confused later when at the football match Betty touches his eye/cheek. You see him flinch back a bit and the moment is very charged. Now I don’t think he flinches because his eye hurt, it doesn’t really look like Betty put enough pressure on the bruise to make it hurt, she was being very careful not to hurt him. I think the reason why he flinched like that was out of surprise. I think for the first time he feels a spark, maybe not outright lust but something close to it, a sudden attraction which he had never felt for Betty before. But before he can really process it he is dragged away by the rest of the football team. Also by this point he has had that conversation with Jughead about how Miss Grundy cares only about herself and is messing with Archie’s mind. Although that conversation isn’t enough to completely break Grundy’s hold on Archie it is enough to make him question and doubt her a little to the point where he decides to go to the police about the gunshot. But the doubt only makes him more confused about his feelings. It’s no wonder really that Archie has always felt confused about what he wants and what he feels, Miss Grundy’s abuse really left a mark on him. I also think it is what makes Archie struggle with having relationships, why he jumps into them so quickly because he has been groomed that way and that is going to take time and therapy to work through, its like trying to break a habit. I also think its important to remember that Grundy was his first experience of relationships and sexual relationships. It always makes me sad when I see people making jokes about how many girlfriends Archie has had because I do think alot of it stems from this abuse and his inability to understand that just because he is feeling an attraction to a person does not mean you have a meaningful connection to them. We also have to remember that Grundy didn’t just teach Archie that sex is love but that if you have those feelings you should act on them. She encouraged him to engage in those activities with her by telling him that’s what he should be doing when he feels those things. I think over time he has been able to have more meaningful and stable relationships, like with Josie and Veronica. But the saddest part of it all is Archie may never fully accept that he was abused by Grundy, some part of him may always believe that her feelings for him were true and that he did love her although I think as he has gotten older and experienced actual love he is able to better identify and sort out his feelings. But sadly the scars from his abuse are always going to be a part of Archie.  
I really do wish that Riverdale had handled this storyline better. I do feel like it was brushed under the rug too much. I mean they do acknowledge that Grundy is a predator but there were other instances where they were far too casual about it and acted like Grundy was his girlfriend when she wasn’t she was his abuser and I think its important that we don’t forget that.     
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trnquilgalileo · 4 years
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NCT Dream as S1 Riverdale: MARK (1)
Featuring actual plot
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You know Kevin, yeah this is Kevin.
ONLY because Mark left Dream for like two years and just came back (ot7🥺)
Similar to how Kevin leaves like every half season to do something???
Fair warning I barely remember Riverdale and stopped watching after S3 ep 2.
But I know my dude Kevin has like 2 minutes of screen time.
Kevin being the chiefs son equates to Mark being a church boy.
Anyway we first start of with the murder of Jason(Haechan) over the summer
Now Markie boy has a little secret
He’s been sleeping with Hyuck since last year,
so of course he was a little suspicious when Hyuck didn’t come to their meeting spot
In the middle of the woods
It ain’t looking good for Markie boy
Anyways there’s a new girl boy in town! Zhong Chenle (Veronica)
He’s the first one to greet the boy when he steps into school.
“Hello!” Mark smiles wide, “I’m Mark Lee, I’m the one showing you around the school.” He grips onto his messenger bag tightly. “This is Jisung Park” (Betty)
Chenle smiles wide, white teeth gleaming, his white button up and black slacks ironed and pressed. His sunglasses delicately placed onto the top of his head, and his wrist flashes with a Rolex.
Jisung and Chenle get along splendidly
To the point where Jisung kind of forget Mark exists.
But that’s okay, because Mark has better things to do.
For instance find his missing boyfriend? Friend? Friends with benefits? L o v e r?
Anyway Homecoming!!!
There the gang finally meet with Jaemin (Archie), Jeno (Cheryl) and Renjun (Jughead)
(In this au Cheryl is part of the gang cause Ot7)
They all welcome the new kid and Mark kind of drifts from the conversation!
And that’s okay, Jeno’s been going through a lot because of his missing twin brother
And being head cheerleader for homecoming
And welcoming the new kid
And…other…things…
Anyways, Jeno invites them over for a party at his house after the game so they go
They’re kinda obligated to
Mark wanders around the Lee mansion, his eyes trailing over the furniture and his feet planted themselves outside Hyuck’s room.
It’s been a while since he’s been in Hyucks room
So he opens the door and stands in the middle of it
Meanwhile Doja Cat is blasting downstairs
And most of his friends are drunk and most likely doing stupid shit
He sits down on the bed and just opens a drawer.
Before Hyuck disappeared, Mark has gifted him a bracelet
Scarlet red beads engraved with sunflowers.
It wasn’t in the drawer, instead it was…heroin…?!
Marks church boy instincts kick in and he closes the drawer and runs out the room.
Out of the house
And back home.
His parents and brother didn’t expect him back so early but nonetheless he smiles weakly.
Markie boy doesn’t sleep that night.
In the morning, the small sleepy town gathers at the river.
Where the police, Mark’s mother, pulls out a body.
The dreamies huddle around Mark frightened but Jeno is pulled away from the group.
But Mark doesn’t notice, his eyes only focusing on the scarlet red beaded bracelet engraved with sunflowers
“Mark.” Renjun frowns, pulling on the boy’s arm. “Come on.”
He somehow ends up in Pop’s diner, sipping a milkshake mindlessly
The gang minus Jeno start spewing theories
Chenle is surprisingly silent
“Maybe the Mafia did it.” Jamin says as a throwaway comment bitterly.
Mark slams his hands on the table, drawing attention to him.
His eyes shaking as he stares at Jaemin in pure fear.
The tears building up in his eyes as he stutters.
“Don’t say that!”
Chenle looks away.
Jaemin licks his lips, “I’m sorry.” He whispers. “But come on, it isn’t Hyuck. He’s too smart to die.” Jaemin has a sour smile on his face.
“Come on.” Chenle says, “let’s get you home.”
The ride back in Chenle’s Tesla Model X P100D is quiet.
“Just so you know.” The boy looks at Mark through his rear view mirror. “If the Mafia were to kill someone it wouldn’t be a high school boy.”
“The day of the party.” Mark says.
He doesn’t know why he’s telling Chenle this, they just met.
“I found at least a pound of heroin just sitting there in Hyuck’s bedside drawer.” He starts to laugh, “I don’t even know why I was there, I his room.”
Mark’s hands start shaking, the fear clearly pressent in his eyes. “What if it really was the mafia?”
“No.” Chenle is firm, “it isn’t.” His eyes look dark as he pulls into the driveway of Mark’s house. “It’s too clean.”
Mark doesn’t know what to do, except slowly open the door and leave.
The next day, in bio.
The police come in, and Jeno automatically stands up.
“I’m guilty.”
Mark doesn’t know what to do, but stare.
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lizabethstucker · 3 years
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The Misadventures of Nero Wolfe edited by Josh Pachter
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Subtitled: Parodies and Pastiches Featuring the Great Detective of West 35th Street
I loved this collection of stories, with only a few exceptions. Overall, I would give it 4.5 out of 5.
Introductions: Trouble in Triplicate
“At Wolfe’s Door” by Otto Penzler ~ about the characters.
“A Family Affair” by Rebecca Stout Bradbury ~ Rex Stout’s daughter provides a peek at the author.
“Plot It Yourself” by Josh Pachter ~ how the collection came to be.
Pastiches (Respectful imitations of the original works)
“The Red Orchid” by Thomas Narcejac
Translated from French, the story was written in 1947. The first English publication wasn’t until 1961. A young woman comes to hire Wolfe to discover who is trying to kill her uncle, a man who claims to have developed a red orchid. More creepy than respectful, especially how Archie hits on the female client. Too offensive for me. DNF
“Chapter 8 from ‘Murder in Pastiche’” by Marion Mainwaining
Published in 1955, this novel can also be found under the title of “Nine Detectives All at Sea”. A notorious gossip columnist is murdered during a sea cruise across the Atlantic. There are nine famous detectives on the ship as passengers. Trajan Beare, aka Nero Wolfe, is the focus of this particular chapter. It is hard to judge the whole book based on just one chapter. However, the characterization should be noted as being extremely close to the original source material. A nice read. No rating as it is just an excerpt.
“The Archie Hunters” by Jon L. Breen
Written in 1968, but never published until now. A cross of Nero Wolfe and Mike Hammer. Mock Himmler beats the crap out of anyone he encounters, particularly if they disagree with him or do something he doesn’t like. After beating up a news seller for carrying a “commie” magazine, Mock discovers an ad in the back requesting a private investigator for a missing person case. The ad, placed by Nero Wolfe, leads Mock to presume the missing person is Archie Goodwin. I’ve never been a fan of Mike Hammer nor his creator, Mickey Spillane, finding both of them to be disgusting in their love of violence, misogyny, and attitudes in general. I did enjoy this story nonetheless. 4 out of 5
“The Frightened Man” by O. X. Rusett
Gave up early on this anagram-stuffed story, even to the author’s name. More annoying than clever or cute. DNF
“Chapter 1 from ‘Murder in E Minor’” by Robert Goldsborough
I read the whole book when it was first published and, frankly, wasn’t too impressed. I do know that Goldsborough was selected by the Stout Estate to be the official author of the novels and I have read a few of his more recent books. I may try and reread it sometime down the road to see if my opinion has changed. No rating as it is only one chapter.
“The Purloined Platypus” by Marvin Kaye
While Goldsborough has the exclusive novel rights, Kaye asked to write short stories and was given the Estate’s permission as long as no novels were ever written. Benjamin Moultrie, president and board chairman of the Museum of the Strange, Odd and Peculiar, wants to hire Wolfe to investigate a robbery at the museum. As I wasn’t reading the magazines such as Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock, I missed reading any of these stories. Which is quite a tragedy. Excellent portrayals of not only the characters, but the case itself. 4 out of 5.
Parodies (Exaggerated imitations intended to poke fun at the source material)
“The House on 35th Street” by Frank Littler
Originally appeared in The Saturday Review in 1966. Little is known about the author, despite Pachter’s research attempts. A crowd is assembled in the Brownstone in a murder case, wanting to see some of the detective’s famous actions and quirks. There is an undercurrent of a very personal nature, especially at the end. 3.5 out of 5
“The Sidekick Case” by Patrick Butler
Another entry from The Saturday Review, this time in 1968, and another case of little information on the author. Wolfe objects to Archie being called a “sidekick” in a listing of the latest book. Cute. 3.5 out of 5
“The Case of the Disposable Jalopy” by Mack Reynolds
America has turned into an illiterate welfare state, Wolfe and Archie are old and sometimes forgetful, and things are beyond tight financially. Reynolds uses the last names of some of the biggest authors in Science Fiction in the story. These men want to hire Wolfe for a case of sabotage and the disappearance of a key developer. What a weird world Reynolds has built. As to the updates on the normal cast of characters in the series? Well, I never liked Orrie anyway. 4 out of 5
“As Dark as Christmas Gets” by Lawrence Block
An unpublished manuscript written by Cornell Woolrich is stolen during a Christmas party. The owner hires Wolfe wannabe Leo Haig and his Goodwin substitute, Chip Harrison, to recover it. I’ve come across stories in this series before and loved them, both for the obvious affection for the source material as well as the excellent characterization. 4.5 out of 5
“Who’s Afraid of Nero Wolfe?” by Loren D. Estleman
Arnie Woodbine, currently on parole, was fired from his last job for gambling on company time. He needs a job and finds an ad looking for an assistant sharp of wit. He finds himself hired by Claudius Lyon, a corpulent man with delusions of being Nero Wolfe. Arnie is hired as his Archie. Now all they need is a case. Since Lyon doesn’t have a private detective license and Arnie’s felony record prevents him from ever getting one, they would not be able to charge for their services. No problem as Lyon is actually quite wealthy. Their first case is regarding a poetry award that carries with it a $10,000 prize. One winner doesn’t appear to actually exist. Seriously one of the best sendups that I’ve ever read! This was a delight to read and deserved more stories. 4.5 out of 5.
“Julius Katz and the Case of Exploding Wine” by Dave Zeltserman
A friend of Julius’ that has a champion bulldog and heads a dog food company comes to see Julius with the dog in tow, asking for help to find someone to prevent Brutus from being kidnapped. He also asks that Julius find his murderer if he’s killed. Sure enough, the man is killed. Julius had agreed to investigate, but only after he gave the police a week to solve it themselves. Just as the week is up, an adversary calls to warn Julius that there is a bomb in his house, contained in a box of wine. Julius allows almost everyone to believe he is dead after the townhouse is completely destroyed from top to bottom. I absolutely loved this sorta tribute to Rex Stout. I’m particularly intrigued by Archie, an AI who is installed in Julius’ tie pin. That alone has me eyeing the book collections, but to be honest, this is a damn fine mystery. Julius is definitely not Nero Wolfe, at least in size, athleticism (martial arts), and loving women (a former womanizer who now has a regular girlfriend). He definitely is in the aspects of intelligence, laziness, and cutting Archie out of the loop. His collecting focus is wine rather than orchids, but both can be very expensive hobbies. 4.5 out of 5.
“The Possibly Last Case of Tiberius Dingo” by Michael Bracken
Age and diet are catching up to Tiberius Dingo’s body, but his mind and deductive reasoning is still as sharp as ever. His long-time assistant, Jughead Badloss, brings a client he dances with at the Senior Center, a woman who is certain she is being stalked. Family ties and age-old secrets are ripped out into the open before the case is done, for their client and for Jughead himself. The names are a little lame, but the story made up for it. 3.5 out of 5.
Potpourri
“The Woman Who Read Rex Stout” by William Brittain
Gertrude Jellison was the fat lady at a carnival sideshow, an intelligent woman whose extreme weight, over 500 pounds, kept her from her dream job of teaching psychology. Her partner, Robert Kirby, is the thin man, barely weighing seventy-five pounds. As a stunt, the carnival boss gave her Rex Stout’s Nero Wolfe books to read during the shows. Surprisingly enough, Gert loved them and continued reading. She never expected to use what she learned to solve a murder, but sadly a newer member of the troup, a beautiful woman named Lili who was like a daughter to Gert, is murdered and the older woman knows she can solve the crime. This is a character that I could seriously have loved to read more about. A good little mystery as well, even if I quickly realized who the murderer would turn out to be. 3.5 out of 5.
“Sam Buried Caesar” by Josh Pachter
Police inspector Griffen had eleven children, each of whom was named after a famous fictional detective. Nero, just eleven years old, had set up his own detective agency, aided by his best friend and neighbor Artie Goodman. Their latest client, Sam, came to them after his dog, Caesar, was hit and killed by an out-of-state driver. Not wanting the poor animal to be left coldly abandoned on the street, he buried the dog in an empty lot. Coming back a short time later to get Caesar’s collar, the body is missing. He hires Nero and Artie to find the killer and recover the body. Sad and cute and inventive, but how Artie puts up with Nero will always be a mystery. 3.5 out of 5.
“Chapter 24 from Rasputin’s Revenge” by John Lescroart
The basic premise is that Nero Wolfe is the son of Sherlock Holmes and Irene Adler. I’ve not read this particular book, but it appears to be the last chapter in which Archie and Wolfe, going under his original name, are in Russia, appeared to have come up against Gregori Rasputin (although the author has it as Gregory), and was helped by Holmes and Dr. Watson after they were wanted for murder. I’m not going to rate it as I don’t consider it fair to rate a novel based on just one chapter.
“A scene from Might as Well Be Dead” by Joseph Goodrich
Adaptation of the story into a play. Once again, not rated.
“The Damned Doorbell Rang” by Robert Lopresti
When their fourteen granddaughter came to visit in a snit because her parents won’t allow her to go with friends to a concert in New York City, Eve and Jack decide to tell her about why they left the City. When they were younger, they had a brownstone in the City. Their neighbors were definitely different, all men living there. Jack didn’t much like any of them and keeps disparaging Eve’s stories about what they saw while living there. But Eve tells a tale of how she saved the men’s lives. Too many close calls are the reason that they moved to New Jersey. How could I not love this outsider’s look at Nero Wolfe? 3.5 out of 5.
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Having a discussion with a friend, who’s a b*rchie, and me being a Bughead, I don’t know how to defend Archie’s weird looks to Betty during season 1 when he found out about her and Jughead getting together. And then his little “a little part of me always thought” thing in the finale. I figured since you’re probably a lot more involved with his characteristics then I am, you could properly explain it to me?♥️♥️
hello fellow buggie, let’s break it down.
1. lol @ “weird looks to betty”. i think people are so drawn to love triangles and ofc, a b/rchie or even a buggie would try to center his gaze on betty (it’s normal, don’t worry), but didn’t stop to consider the relationship between the three of them. 
it was always betty, archie, AND jughead from a very young age. archie fucked up with jughead. then, he couldn’t give betty what she wanted. then, his two best friends found each other and didn’t need him so much anymore. he doesn’t look only at betty, he looks at betty and jughead. he used to be the main thing between the three of them, the glue that binds them together and, suddenly, he wasn’t anymore. betty doesn’t need him for support because she has jughead (shoulder touch). jughead doesn’t need him for support because he has betty (scene in front of police station).
he goes and tells betty about juggie’s birthday, says he doesn’t want to be a third wheel because that’s how he feels knowing that BH are together and excluded him. three musketeers are now bughead and archie. you can simplify and go “he’s jealous of betty”, but he’s jealous of their relationship, of his friends, jughead is never excluded. you don’t get archie looking only at betty and feeling wistful...
2. ...until episode 1x13 when he does look at her feeling wistful, like veronica points. again, you can obviously use a ship-bias or a betty-centric-bias to say “omg he’s in love with her and everything else is a lie!!”, but as for archie: he does look at betty 2x and he says the “little part of me” thing. 
okay, fact-wise, these little moments between b/rchie weren’t supposed to be there, RAS wrote it without it, then someone went and said “we didn’t do the love triangle!” and they added those glances and that line. but since this is fiction, not facts, the line and glances are there and it’s canon, archie’s main trait in season one was how indecisive he was. he was with val and flirting with ronnie, flirted with anyone really, was very lost because of grundy, confused about everything, he couldn’t decide between things. 
so, he’s feeling a certain way “this past week” with veronica, something a little scary because it’d be ACTUAL commitment because his feelings for veronica are realer than they were with anyone else, so he goes and says a little part of me always thought and in my opinion, he was thinking “a little part of me always thought that you’d be my safety net”. like it was guaranteed -- just like he thinks, again, it’s guaranteed that she’ll want to do whatever they’re doing in s4. so, she shuts him down and he looks back over his shoulder seeing betty and jughead together, that sort of support system and relationship he longed for the entire season, and he realizes that this is what he wants. a soulmate. that’s what he tells veronica afterwards. if much, is one last nod to his safe past before he actually dives into this uncertain future (with veronica... and then his dad bleeding in his arms).
listen, i’m not saying that the writers won’t twist the story above, and i’m not saying that whatever archie is feeling for b now isn’t there -- even though i see it as a huge parallel of season one, he has the same doubts and fear of the unknown future when he’s trying to hold on to the past because it’s all he has left of his father -- but whatever it is, archie has NOT “been waiting” for b all this time like their shippers like to paint. not once during s2 or s3 he has any shadow of doubt, not even when they actually kiss in s2, both of them just seem weirded out. could be something new that developed, sure (that’s what they’re trying to say) but after he commits to veronica, he does it. he doesn’t even glance to anyone else -- except when they’re broken up, but that’s another story.
so, yeah, if you take off the b/rchie or betty-centric-goggles, that’s the story that canon tells. thanks for the ask! 🥰️
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Aw yeah, Riverdale season 2!  When last we left off Jughead had joined the Serpents, Cheryl had burned down her ancestral home, and Fred got shot, so there’s a lot of fallout to deal with
Episode 1:  Who Shot JR Fred Andrews?
In response to Archie driving Fred’s truck to the hospital without a driver’s license husband:  and this is why you need a public health service, so you can call an ambulance and not have to worry about paying a bill for it
The hospital looks straight out of the 1950s, including nurses still wearing little white dresses rather than scrubs
Both of us criticized Veronica’s sad looking mimosa 
Also, bullshit Jughead has a motorcycle license
me, when Archie called his mom:  well they did already pay for Molly Ringwald this episode, might as well get their money’s worth
Sheriff Keller:  this guy was probably out of his head on meth or the jingle jangle husband:  giggle pig!
Archie, when Vegas starts licking him:  he must be wondering what happened me, as Vegas:  “blood is delicious!”
Veronica tells Archie that he should probably not walk Vegas while covered in blood, so he exchanges his letterman’s jacket for a sweatshirt but doesn’t change anything else me:  you didn’t change your shirt??? husband: someone’s going to call the police! husband:  or maybe he left it so Vegas can get another blood snack
The husband started whistling the Godfather theme when Veronica confronted Hermione over their family’s mob shit and then fucking pulled out his phone to play it when Hiram appeared at the end
Finally, all of Fred’s death visions would be objectively hilarious (”time dies”, Pop Tate officiating Archie and Veronica’s wedding while still wearing his little fry cook hat) but Luke Perry’s real life death just makes them really melancholy
Best line goes to Alice, who is back in top form:  “Is that Snake Plissken?  I want him blocked!”
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