Adrienette biggest problem
Hey everyone, we all know the Miraculous series. I have many problems but what is the biggest problem?
Shipping Adrienette.
And I know it's full of problems like Marinette's character, and writing problems is its but why all the problems are connected by this ship?
The creator himself tweeted that Marinette will be Canon.
Looking at the show's release production charts (while season 2 was on the air)
6 years have passed since that post! And during this time he showed how this ship and the series have problems. Instead of gradually developing their relationship from friends to love, possibly rivals to love. They didn't make Marinette a stalker who knows the whole plan (for 30 years) Adrien and Adrien realized out of the ass that he loves Marinette when he called her friend.
And the rest of the characters? Marinette's entire class (not counting Lila and Chloe) has nothing else to do (or exist) to try to get them together. I understand it's a cartoon but why does everyone want them to be a couple? Why?! Do they have other problems or hobbies? Alya's character has been demoted from ladybug fan and blogger (I like to call her reporter) to matchmaker… Seriously, instead of helping or supporting your friend when you know she's a superhero you want her to be with a dude… Seriously.
Everything has been bundled for shipping… And honestly, my opinion shouldn't be together. And the creator's post should be treated as a joke (red herring).
And when Luka and Kagami were introduced, I hoped that our characters would develop emotionally with their halves (these were the days when Chloe was believed to have a redemption bow)
Personally, I hate ships/Idol x fan relationships and that's why I didn't like Adrienette and Ladrien.
And watching their relationship and dynamic become meh with every season.
Despite the square of love, I definitely love Marichat and Ladychat where there is no full moon with champagne (let's remember the juice of May after 14 years..) with rose flowers. Not small interactions, conversations, support, etc love it!
However, it won't pass. because of how these ships have been treated since Season 4 and especially Season 5… Especially Ladychat where she became Adrienette… why.
Coming back, I think Lukanette and Adrigami would make more sense than Adrienette. Their dynamic has become so enjoyable to watch and it's more realistic that I'm looking for people who are like us/interests.
However, how they were treated in one episode since they officially became a couple and broke up. And the new york special episode, despite Adrien's official relationship with Kagami at that time, and Marinette with Luka, the creators, and characters tried to make Adrien and Marinette become a couple.
And I have one word
And honestly how do you take this ship seriously when they force you too much?
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Free to Be You and Me: chapter 20
Chapter 19 | Chapter 21
Disclaimer: I don’t own ML.
The sun is shining, the pigeons are roo-looing, and Adrien’s left wondering how the world can still be functioning like normal as he slowly climbs the steps into Françoise Dupont. Now he has to go to school and act like everything’s normal, like Lila’s still just a sweet, troubled girl with stories galore for their awestruck classmates rather than a conniving little snake who’d – who’d –
“Adrien!” says a voice behind him. Adrien jumps out of his skin and whirls around, arms raised to fend off…Marinette? “Oh my gosh, are you alright?”
“M-Marinette?” Adrien says numbly.
“I’m so sorry!” Marinette waves her hands around. “I didn’t mean to frighten you!”
“No, you didn’t. I’m just…tired.” And definitely not because Ladybug had stayed with him for hours after his bath, lying with him and stroking his hair and letting him just exist.
“Y-Yeah! Same!” For some reason, Marinette’s cheeks flush pink. She clears her throat. “Anyway!” She rummages around in her bag; a tacky blue backpack rather than her usual pink one. Adrien vaguely recalls Alya mentioning something about Lila and a coffee incident when giving him the heads-up, and he decides that he doesn’t want to know the details for Lila’s sake. “I thought you might like these!”
“T-Thanks?” Adrien carefully takes the small pink box that’s been thrust at him. It’s a selection of cupcakes, piped with flowers, and something rises in Adrien’s throat because even though this is the first time she’s given him a box of treats, it’s the second time she’s done this for him. How does she know just what to do when he needs it?
“I feel like things have been rough lately,” Marinette says slowly, as though she’s choosing each word with the utmost of care. “And I thought you might appreciate something little. Just to help you through it.”
A sick pit of foreboding starts to settle in Adrien’s stomach. “Marinette, are you – I mean – are you saying –?” Had Ladybug gone and blabbed to Marinette despite promising not to?
“Um…yes,” Marinette admits. “I know.”
“But Ladybug –”
“She had nothing to do with it!” Marinette says quickly. “I have no clue what she knows!”
“Then how –?”
“Lila. She, um…took great pleasure in sending me a photo this morning, like when Kagami got akumatised, and she said she hoped I enjoyed what it took to get her to leave me alone.” Marinette’s face twists. “She’s evil. How could she enjoy something like that? You didn’t even look like you liked it! I was this close to punching her in the face, let me tell you, because I don’t even care what she’s done to me, she doesn’t get to do that to you –”
“Marinette.” Adrien grabs Marinette’s shoulder with his free hand and squeezes. Marinette squeaks and turns bright red. “I appreciate it. Really.”
“Someone should tell she!” Marinette babbles. “I mean – you should tell someone! About her! She can’t get away with it!”
“Tell who?” Adrien says with a twisted smile. He guides Marinette away from the school gates, from the people throwing curious looks their way, no doubt wondering what Adrien Agreste is talking about that’s got him looking so on edge. “No one would believe me.”
“But surely you have proof of some sort! Your place is full of cameras –”
“Marinette, people don’t even believe you, and you’ve torn your own hair out getting evidence for all her lies. Why would anyone believe me? I’m a boy. I’m…rich and handsome and famous.”
I always get what I want. Adrien shudders.
“I got a recording, yeah, but how do I know they won’t twist it around on me?” he continues. “I had to have been asking for it. And I don’t want it to be some massive, drawn-out thing.” He shakes his head and clutches at his hair. “I just…want it all to go away. Please, Marinette.”
“No one’s ever asking for it!” Marinette hisses. The blue fire in her eyes is so like Ladybug’s in the heat of battle that, for a moment, it’s like his lady is standing in front of him instead of one of his best friends. “Don’t you ever think that, you understand me? She’s cruel and evil and one day, her lies are going to catch up with her and she’s going to suffer the consequences of her actions, and you’re going to be standing there laughing because you have actual friends who love you for you and –”
Adrien throws his arms around Marinette before his brain can catch up with him. Marinette gasps and her rant splutters off, but she still hugs him back, which Adrien is thankful for because he’s never quite sure how to read Marinette Dupain-Cheng on any given day.
“Thank you,” Adrien whispers. “You’re one of those true friends, Marinette. I’m so grateful to have you in my life.”
“Worries no!” Marinette babbles. “Definitely a problem! I mean – it’s definitely no problem at all!”
Despite her being flustered, Marinette still gives Adrien one of her famous hugs that he’d told Ladybug about; she leans into him, hugs him with her whole body, her arms firm around him but not tight and strangling, for him rather than for show. Adrien melts into her touch, rests his cheek against her soft hair, the hair that smells of the same vanilla as Ladybug’s – maybe they use the same shampoo…
“You’re an idiot,” Marinette says, her voice muffled by his shirt. “I’m gonna help you any way I can, but I just need you to understand that you’re an idiot.”
Adrien just laughs. After a few more moments, he reluctantly releases her; she probably doesn’t want to spend all day just standing there hugging him, and what she’d just given him is so much more than he could have asked for.
“You know…” he says slowly. It’s probably a bad idea but…if he can’t trust Marinette, who can he trust? He just hopes that Ladybug won’t be mad. “Can I, uh, tell you a secret? Something no one else knows?”
Marinette’s brows knit together. “Sure?” she says. “Do you have a long-lost twin brother or something?”
Adrien snorts. “No, that’s just Félix. Um…you remember that video Lila got? Of Ladybug visiting me?”
“Yeeeeah…” Marinette says slowly.
“Well, um, nothing was happening then, I swear, but, uh…she visited me a few more times and we were good friends and it just kind of happened and, um…I’mdatingLadybugshe’smygirlfriend.”
Marinette blinks. “What?”
“I’m dating Ladybug. She’s my girlfriend.”
“Really?” Marinette’s eyes widen to almost comical proportions. “So, you really do have a superhero on-call!”
“No, no!” Adrien says quickly. “I don’t have her phone number or anything. She just visits sometimes and, um…yeah. She’s the girl I love. I just wanted to tell you because I know I can trust you.”
“That means a lot,” Marinette says. Her smile softens her entire face, and Adrien’s insides flutter at the realisation that he’d done that! He’d made Marinette Dupain-Cheng smile! “To know that you trust me that much. Thanks for telling me, Adrien.”
“What are friends for?” Adrien says, hooking an arm over Marinette’s shoulders to lead her back to the main courtyard. He releases her when they reach the crowd – the last thing she needs is for Lila or someone else to see and draw the wrong conclusion entirely – and they thread through the throng of people in search of Alya and Nino. Maybe even Zoé, if they can find her, since she’s not in their class and sometimes hangs out with her own classmates.
“So…” Marinette says. “What’s…Ladybug like? I don’t think anyone other than Chat Noir would know her that well.”
And Rena Rouge, Adrien thinks, but he manages to hold it in just in time. Ladybug would flip if he spilled to someone else that there’s someone who knows her identity. “She’s, well…she’s just awesome.”
“Just awesome?”
“You’re asking me to describe an angel in human words,” Adrien says. Marinette’s cheeks flush scarlet.
“O-Oh. Right! I get it, haha, but, um, just try?”
Adrien sighs and closes his eyes, trusting Marinette to guide him through the crowd as he tries to think of how to describe Ladybug. “She’s so…caring. She cares. About Chat Noir, about Paris, about her friends and family…about me. She’s always there when I need her. I don’t feel like I’m there for her nearly as much.”
“I are you think,” Marinette says sagely. Adrien just takes her stammer in stride.
“She’s so…emotional,” he says, opening his eyes. “And I don’t mean that in a bad way or anything. She just feels so strongly. She’s funny, she’s playful, she’s furious, she’s a mess – she was pretty harsh to Lila over the whole lying about being her best friend thing, and she makes mistakes, but that just makes her more human, you know? She’s not some unattainable statue on a pedestal. She’s…like me.”
“You sound like you really love her,” Marinette says quietly. Adrien ducks his head and smiles.
“I really do.”
“Well, look who finally decided to show up,” drawls a familiar voice. Alya’s reclining on one of the benches against Nino, who’s furiously tapping away at some sort of game on his phone. The last spot on the bench is taken up by Zoé, who’s actually lying on the ground with her legs crossed up on the bench, her blonde hair strewn across the concrete.
“Are you sure you won’t catch something?” Marinette says. Zoé grins up at her.
“I’ve already been fraternising with the peasants,” she says with an airy wave. “What else could I catch?”
“Speaking of fraternising,” Marinette says, “Alya and I are having our Saturday sleepover tomorrow, but do you want to come, Zoé?”
“A sleepover?” Zoé’s eyes glimmer. “Of course! I’ve never been to one before! Um, what do I bring?”
Alya chuckles. “I’ll text you the details later. Can Nino come too, Marinette, since it’s not just the two of us now?”
“We-e-ell…”
“Pleeeease?” Alya blinks puppy dog eyes at Marinette, who rolls her eyes.
“Oh, fine. But you get to explain to my parents why there’s a boy staying in my room.”
Like you told them about the times Chat Noir visited you? Adrien desperately wants to say, but he’s not supposed to know about that, so he bites his tongue. Instead, he says, “I’ve never been to a sleepover either. Must be a rich kid thing?”
“You should come too,” Alya says, shooting a strangely shark-like grin at Marinette. Marinette flushes and splutters something unintelligible. “Adrien’s invited, right, girl?”
“Roar!” Marinette shrieks. “I mean – sure!”
“I appreciate that, but I can’t,” Adrien sighs. “Father barely lets me hang out with my friends. He’d never agree to a sleepover. Not unless my bodyguard was with me, like in New York, but this would be more trouble than it’s worth.”
“So not fair,” Nino complains while his phone chimes in celebration. Alya raises an eyebrow.
“How can you even follow along and play that at the same time, babe?”
“It’s a gift,” Nino says rather smugly.
“Do you think Kagami would be allowed to come?” Marinette says. “Maybe I could bribe her mother with more pastries, like when I managed to get her out of her fencing practice for an hour. You’d get along great with her, Zoé.”
“Doubt it,” Adrien says. “Same reason as me.”
“Aww.” Marinette’s shoulders slump. “I’d love it if she could come. So not fair that you guys don’t get to be normal teenagers. I may as well invite the rest of the girls, then.”
The bell rings at that instant, signalling an end to the conversation. Marinette reaches down and pulls Zoé to her feet with a strength that belies her slim frame, no doubt from all her time helping her parents in the bakery.
Just like Ladybug, Adrien thinks with a smile. Tiny but deceptively deadly.
“See you tonight!” Zoé says before heading off to class, brushing down her clothes. Marinette turns to Adrien with a kind of grimace-smile.
“Ready to face the music?” she says. Adrien shrugs, while Alya and Nino just stare at them in confusion.
“Better get it over with.”
“Don’t worry.” Marinette bounds the step and a half back to Adrien’s side. “I’ll be your bodyguard away from home!”
Adrien can’t help but laugh at her antics. “Thank you, my brave knight,” he says with a slight bow. Marinette giggles.
“You two are disgusting,” Alya mutters, giving Marinette a look that Adrien can’t begin to decipher. “I can’t believe I had to see that with my own eyes.”
“It’s cool,” Nino says. “I’ll just keep on being the only guy here who’s not possessed or anything.”
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GOD am I sick of this. (Watch Out, MAJOR Rant Ahead)
Why do Chloe haters (nearly) ALWAYS insist on using this tired old line to ‘win’ an argument?!
No-one (at least anyone I’M paying attention to) is saying Chloe should get away with her bullying because of her shitty parents.
We’re saying poor Chloe has been a victim of character assassination, sabotage, purposeful vandalism, ruination etc by the very person who created her! No... not her fictional dad or mom... but a certain real-life Frenchman by the name of Mr Thomas Astruc.
If you want a somewhat over-exaggerated parallel, it would be like Da Vinci painting a moustache on the Mona Lisa, Michaelangelo chopping David’s ‘bits’ off or Geppetto making Pinocchio into firewood (I say this because there’s been TWO movies about the lying puppet in the last year. Hint: don’t watch the Disney one).
It’s like... I can’t even debate these people, because they haven’t just got the wrong end of the stick, we’re not even in the same forest!
My point is to those somewhat disingenuous individuals, and let me be VERY blunt here, because I ain’t repeating myself... (clears throat):
Chloe’s Character Writing Has Been The Worst I’ve Ever Seen In A Professional Cartoon Show. The Fact They Utterly Destroyed One Of The Few People In Miraculous With Any Potential For Serious Development For Growth And Basically Replaced Her With Another Girl Who’s Just As Blandly ‘Perfect’ As Most Of The Other Females Demonstrates How Utterly Lacking In Ambition, Creativity And Talent The Makers Truly Are. (As If The Glaring Lack Of Other Positive Attributes To The Show Isn’t Evidence Enough) The Only Reason You Use A Completely Manufactured And Different Scenario Than The Case I Put Forward As Your Lone Defence Proves You KNOW I’m 100% Right. THAT’S Why So Many People Are Defending Her... Not Because They Think She Should Get Away With Her Progressively More Ridiculous Misdemeanors Inserted Into The Scripts To Convince The Audience To Hate Her More And More, But Because We Recognize The Less-Than-Subtle Route The Writers Have Taken In The Last Few Seasons To DESTROY Her Character, Her Role, Her Agency And Any Hidden Depths Or Layers She Might Have. This Is A Girl Who LOVED Her Daddy, (Occasionally) Valued Her Best Friend, Adored Adrikins, Confessed How Inadequate She Felt In Front Of Her Idol Ladybug, Made A Heartfelt Apology To Her Teacher In An Emotional Hug (It Made Me Cry :,/ ), Made REAL STRIDES With Her Behavior In terms Of Being More Independent Towards The End Of S2, Had An Intriguing Relationship With Her Favorite Stuffed Bear Which Acted As Her Conscience, Was Setting Herself Up To Be An Efficient Anti-Hero With Questionable Loyalties... And All This Fascinating Narrative Was Left To ROT In Favor Of Turning Her Into The Most Boringly Generic Baddie In The Entire History Of The Show. WELL DONE, EVERYONE. Then To Add Insult To Injury, They Claim This Was The Plan All Along And Her Rapid Deterioration Into A Teenage Psycho From A Standard School Bully Is Some Kind Of Bizarre Statement On ‘How Some People Can Never Change’ Rather Than The Obnoxiously Terrible Piece Of Hackneyed Writing It Actually Was. Damnation Arc? A Fancy Title For Utter Bullsh*t That’s An Insult To Miraculous Ladybug Fans’ Intelligence Everywhere, I Say. I Don’t Know About You Guys, But I Feel Cheated, Swindled, Bamboozled... You Name It, Or Just Thorughly P*ssed Off Should Suffice. Want Some Evidence For My Claims? Okay, Here Goes: Get Comfortable... Removing ALL Of Chloe’s Positive Traits And Redemptive Moments Overnight After S3. Pretending They Never Existed Or Happened In The First Place. Turning Her Into A Villainous One-Dimensional Sociopathic Object Of Ridicule. Giving Us Zoe Who’s Goodie-Two-Shoes Non-Personality Is No Substitute Whatsoever For The True Queen. Cynically Producing AN ENTIRE EPISODE in S5 For The Sake Of Retroactively Making CHLOE Solely Responsible For Adrinette Not Happening Sooner. (Thus Purposefully Exposing Her To More Vitriol From Obsessive Shippers) Pretending That She Had ‘Plenty Of Help’ To Change When The Truth Is No-One Seriously Attempted At All. (Even Saint Marinette ‘Encouraged’ Her And Good Ol’ Toxic Audrey To Bond By Being Awful To Each Other Instead Of Getting To The Heart Of Chloe’s REAL Issues), Breaking Up All Her Closest Relationships One By One Until The Only Person Left Is With Her Is Her Tyrannical Mother Who Promises To “Take Control’ Of Her Life Now In A Different Country That Her Father Has Disowned Her. (So I Guess Letting Chloe Get Further Traumatized By Her Main Abuser is Thomas’s Idea Of ‘Punishing’ Her... Great Message There For Children!) This Means Adrien Wants Nothing To Do With Her, Sabrina Has Been Unceremoniously Dumped And Even Butler Jean Has Been Fired With Little Fanfare. (Not That Chloe’s Had Any Interesting Interactions With Adrien Since S2... What Was The Point In Making Them Childhood Friends Again?! Her Dad Is Basically An Enabler Who Got Off Scot-Free Now He’s Resigned As Mayor And Looks To Have A Fresh Start With His ‘Perfect’ Adopted New Daughter, Sabrina Has Been MIA For YEARS And Only Gets Acknowledged This Once To Further Isolate And Damage Chloe And As For Butler Jean... Who?!) What It Boils Down To Is That Thomas Doesn’t Just Want To Strip Chloe Of The Bee Miraculous Permanently And Write Her Out Of The Show, Oh No! He Wanted To Transform Her Into The WORST Possible Version Of Herself To Try And Forcibly Extract Away The Last Few Fans She Has, And Then Give Her The WORST Possible Ending In The S5 Finale Despite Other Characters (E.g Gabriel) Doing FAR Worse And Yet Either Ending Up Getting ‘Redeemed’ Or Thought Of As Heroes(!). Oh, And Lila Has Multiple Moms Now(!), A Completely New Identity(!!) And Is The Main Antagonist From Now On(!!!)... I Think Her Superpower Is Dumbing Down Everyone Else So They’ll Believe Her Obvious Untruths. GREAT STORYTELLING, GUYS. Mr Astruc Is A Pathetic, Petty, Spiteful, Talentless Excuse For A Showrunner Who’s So Problematic To Discuss His Many And Numerous Controversies Would Take Another Post Probably Five Times As Big As This Already Overlong Wall Of Text, So We’ll Save That For Another Day. Good To See Though, That His ‘Brilliant” Scheme Appears To Be Failing And The More He Sticks Pins In Chloe’s Likeness The More Support She Gets Online And The More ‘Very Sweet’ Zoe Gets Hyped Up Into Something She’s Not, She’s Recognized As The Shallow Shill She Truly Is. I Just Hope Little Kids Aren’t Taken In By His Obvious Crusade To Make Chloe The Most Hated Teenager Since Joffrey. Why Couldn’t The Idea For Miraculous Have Fallen To A Guy Who Had Some Semblance Of Ability, Instead Of This Mediocre Hack Who’s Happy To Wallow In Stale Romantic Cliches, Underwhelming Superhero Fights, Uninteresting Lore, Non-Existent Continuity, Bbaadd Dialogue, Filler, Filler And More Filler, An Overabundance Of Characters = No Development For Them, ‘Special’ Episodes Abroad That Are Anything But, Prioritizing The Merchandise Above The Show ALWAYS, Allowing SO Many Spoilerific Leaks To Spread Under His Watch, Blocking Fans Left, Right And Center When They DARE To Question ANY Part Of His Writing (Because Apparently We’re Too Dumb To See The GENIUS)... And... rreesstt.
I am well aware that this post started out as one thing and ended up rather more convoluted than I hoped for, but Tumblr has always been a great source of therapy for me... so what better to get all my major bugbears out in one word soup of a paragraph that nobody will ever read if they know what’s good for them, before slouching back in my spinning chair with a glazed yet satisfied look on my face?
Nothing, that’s what.
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