#Rooting For The Villain

[ninjautizm]

I don't remember this but HOLY FUCKING SHIIIIIITT LLOYD WAS CONFIRMED TO BE AT LEAST 9 YEARS OLD HERE AND HE WAS ABLE TO DO THAT??? JESUS FUCK

[andrew2luv]

Who else rooted for Lyle in George of the Jungle as a kid???

[poorly-drawn-mdzs]

Gaslighter? I hardly know her!

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[mxzyuu]

Kate saw a whole new world that day

[uniteds]

drama I’ve been alerted to tonight that I think you all need to know:

germany wnt’s current manager (martina) dated the current manager of switzerland wnt (inka) back when they were teammates. inka cheated on martina and so martina left the national team bc inka was undroppable. martina then married a man and said she wasn’t gay anymore (she’s 55 so I’m letting it slide lmao). inka then dated another teammate (linda) and cheated on her with a male manager. linda then dated the same manager later on. also inka became the first woman to take over a german mens team in the top four tiers and she took the job from martina’s husband.

football is the best sport and nothing comes close.

[ghouly-boiiiii]

Does Max give anyone else major twist villain vibes???

Okay I haven't talked about Max much yet, but I think it's kinda wild to see people talking about him like he's just this sweet innocent cinnamon roll when my read on his character was the COMPLETE opposite.

I mean yes, he does seem very sweet. He's very soft spoken. Naive in a way like Lucy, but not as much. Kinda vulnerable. Got a killer smile. And some of the moments with him and Lucy are super cute and adorable. But damn if he doesn't have a DARK side!

Like I've heard people say that Max is stupid or that Aaron Moten's acting is bad, but hell no. Aaron Moten sold me on his acting during the interrogation scene. Max was scared shitless and I FELT that. I think Max was meant to be played as a character who lacks understanding about certain things and seems disconnected from people due to both being brought up in basically a cult and having an inherent lack of empathy.

You think about the fact that he admitted he wanted Dane to get hurt, someone who's supposed to be his best friend. How he coldly sat there and watched Titus die. And before that stood there and watched him get mauled by a bear, almost like he was fascinated by it and wanted to see what was gonna happen. The fact that he tried to kill Thaddeus the moment he became a threat, even though the two of them had appeared to have bonded and developed a genuine friendship. And let's not forget he was willing to let all of Vault 4 get plunged into darkness just so he could keep playing with his power armor.

Max wants to be a knight, he wants to be a hero. And I think he tells himself he wants it for the right reasons, but I think what he REALLY wants is power and recognition. Which is really what every (okay maybe not every, but a lot) good villain wants, right? Because at the end of the day Max wants what Max wants. He's selfish, even though he doesn't think he is.

And sure, he's nice to Lucy. And he went balls to the wall to save her when he thought Vault 4 was gonna execute her. But she's a pretty girl who helped him and offered him a safe home. When she gave him the proposition that if she helped him bring back the head, he would have the Brotherhood lend her some knights to save her dad, he KNEW he couldn't make that promise. But he made the deal anyway. So he doesn't REALLY care about her or what she wants.

And that blank stare he gets when he gets mad? ACTUALLY terrifying. The guy's got serious psychopath vibes. Literal anti-social personality disorder, if you ask me. In fact the first thing I thought about when Max let Titus die is this kids going to end up going to the dark side lol.

And I think that would work really well thematically if they plan on giving The Ghoul a redemption arc beside it. There are so many parallels between Lucy and The Ghoul, and they have such a strong connection to the beginning when the bombs dropped. I get that Max is there to represent the Brotherhood and he's from Shady Sands, the town Hank destroyed, but it felt weird that he didn't seem to be AS important in the grand scheme of things compared to Cooper and Lucy.

But if Max turned out to be a badass twist villain to thematically contrast Cooper's redemption arc, while Lucy remains steadfast to her commitment to goodness and the golden rule I feel like that would really round it out. It would make sense if you consider a lot of people have pointed out that Lucy, Cooper and Max all seem to represent different play styles and different moral alignments. And I think it'd be pretty crazy if the writers of the show set out to make it seem like Ghoul is a bad guy and Max is a good guy, but then it ended up being the opposite.

I mean, there are definitely hints all over the show that The Ghoul isn't as bad as he may seem. And Max has already done some pretty messed up stuff, so I'd say the possibility is totally there, and I'd be here for it!

Who's with me???

[fluttervee]

no but the more i think about this the more convinced i am that there is absolutely no way this ends well for oisín. either:

a) the apparent crush on adaine was all a ploy, in which case he'd better pray that adaine's furious fist kills him outright. there are soooo many ridiculously powerful people who would want to see him SUFFER for hurting her; or,

b) the crush was real, and he is pissed at adaine for ??? not noticing him, when there's no indication he ever actually tried to interact with her prior to this?? which basically makes him biz 2.0 and. HOO BOY. considering how she roasted that guy as a freshman?? i cannot imagine how hard junior year adaine would go

[orengejoshi]

Flug is such a Golden Retriever man...🦮

[st-eve-barnes]

I usually don't engage in discourse about team green vs team black but following the link in Tom's Insta story yesterday I just posted my opinion, that the show wants us to be team black but team green is just way more interesting to watch (for me).

Within minutes someone had to point out that I was supporting a r*pist and how I was "team misogynist".

I washed my hands of the whole thing after that but still got notifications for every new comment and man do people take this shit seriously!

It's a FICTIONAL SHOW with fictional characters who are NOT REAL. Nobody actually got hurt, I need people to realize this because I don't think some do lol

Also, double standards much? If you hate Aegon so badly but make every excuse in the book to point out Daemon isn't that bad.

Girl, please.

[silenceinternalmonologue]

can't stop thinking about the way all of loki's brushes with death came from a choice. first the attempted suicide. then the attempted self-sacrifice. and finally a successful self-sacrifice, in which he not only threw himself in death's way but threw himself into the hands of his torturer, a being he had been hiding from for years.

people make jokes about loki always pretending to die but the truth is he is always trying to. he is convinced that his death will be a solution to other people's (mostly thor's) problems.

he is constantly choosing to die. his first instinct in any crisis situation is to solve it at the cost of his life. he doesn't seem to have any self worth or a sense that maybe it's better for him to live, and it's fucking tragic.

[yugiohz]

league of villains teen gang au ^-^

comparing each other’s strength and mange is winninggggg, shigaraki stops trying 2sec into the contest, dabi and spinner are too stubborn to give up, toga has been rooting for magne from the start, and compress doesn’t want anyone to get hurt kyaaa

[kickasscentral]

i present you all with my magnum opus:

turbo if he was sponsored by mug root beer

[greatdecaygreatrenewal]

idk i feel if u ship tomura w ur oc or a canon character n solely reduce him to his skin condition or his fandom version to boost the other characters up, purposely to make them look better n to make it seem like tomura could never bag a conventionally more attractive/interesting/appealing person. then fuck you?

[tackletofset]

People acting like Will isn’t Sarcean and is simply corrupted by his spirit clearly don’t understand these books 🤣 the moral is about how mistreatment of someone can turn them into a monster, and how historical revisionism can morph the perception of someone who may be otherwise innocent. All of Will’s goodness comes from Sarcean and I think people are missing that in their “Sarcean is the devil” idea of the story. Will being good and Sarcean being bad are two concepts that cannot coexist.

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Perfectly worded, thank you!!!!

People who view Sarcean as "the devil" corrupting the innocent Will always emphasize Sarcean's "crimes," which have yet to be proven, while whitewashing Will's clearly self-serving agenda that we see on screen, claiming it's all "for the sake of good." But how can they be so sure that Sarcean's actions were never, in any way, "for the sake of good," especially when the narrative has always been shaped by the propaganda of his enemies?

Then, they twist our words into "making Sarcean a morally good hero," because they can't fathom that anyone would root for a villain.

Which is why I really don't need Sarcean's motivations to be altruistic. A self-indulgent revenge is good enough for me. 🤣 Pacat did say it's empowering for queer people to embrace the monster role assigned to us by society, and I'm all for it.

However, if there indeed was a devil, it should be the Lady. The name Lucifer means "lightbringer." 🤣

[themyscirah]

Complaining abt Suicide Squad yet again but the fact that they have Waller exposing the alien community to space racist attacks and talking abt how she got to her position through deceit and being a terrible person and stuff is just. Ahsfiwueh JUST SAY YOU DONT KNOW WALLER.

Anyways literally the 3rd mission of the Squad ever (and the first framed as smth Waller picked and not orders from above) was the Squad discrediting and stopping a rogue vigilante who was only arresting POC and funneling white people into white supremacy groups (of which he was the most prominent member) in SUICIDE SQUAD #4. and it's explicitly framed as this mission being personal for Waller that she's hiding from the government bc its illegal like. Guys. Please why are we having her incite (space bc comics) racist attacks now

Also the whole "Amanda got her position through deceit and being a terrible person" NO. she KEPT her position through being shitty and playing complicated political games!!! She wasn't always that way like there is a difference and it is IMPORTANT ppl PLEASEEEE. In Secret Origins #14 we learn Amanda's backstory and she used to be a normal, caring person! Like even after she entered into working in government and politics she wasn't automatically morally bankrupt like please people. She was originally given control of the Squad by Reagan (*sigh* 80s comics...) to distract and get rid of her because she was so successful at pushing progressive social policy in Congress. Acting like she's this static pillar of evil is such a waste of her character and so fucking uninteresting and disrespectful to her arc it drives me MAD.

Like I am NOT saying Waller is all sunshine and rainbows, she fucking SUCKS (said w love <3) but like there's a human being there. It's a progression, she has a character arc like please, DC, please!!! They've fucked up Waller so bad and made her so opaque and uninteresting she can't even be the protagonist of her own story for fucks sake!

Like I don't know how many times I have to scream it until DC hears me or remembers but WALLER IS THE MAIN CHARACTER OF SUICIDE SQUAD. ITS HER BOOK. yet right now she's a cutout to be used as the villain wherever the writers please. Even in her book we get none of her perspective really displayed, no exploration of her thoughts with any kind of understanding of the role she traditionally has played and was made to play in the story.

[save-the-villainous-cat]

a hero that’s forced to kneel in front of villain??🤨🤨😏😏😏 (I know it’s kinda cliché but still a classic)

“Don’t make me sad,” the villain said. “Don’t make this worse.”

The hero stared at them with burning eyes, with ignited hatred. Once, they’d been something close to friends, somehow close to solving these problems together and bring peace to the city.

What a fucking joke that was. Betrayal could cut deep, the hero was fully aware of that but the villain giving them hope, making promises to work together and looking at them the way they did, didn’t only cut deep but truly severed.

“Kneel,” the villain said softly. And the hero didn’t really have a choice, did they? With the mayor and the superhero taken as hostages, they would vault the villain into a position on top of the food chain if they didn’t obey.

Killing political figures was usually not the villain’s approach. They rather became them by weaselling their way into politics. But if these two died, the entire city would burn. Killing the most powerful superhero in the city and murdering the human responsible for managing it? It was like killing the queen and checking the king.

So, the hero didn’t have a choice. Their actions could prevent a war.

The hero got down on one knee, eyes boring into the hard concrete beneath their feet. Nothing of it had been real and the hero hated themselves for their naïveté.

Why had the villain saved them that night? Why had they stitched their wounds messily? Why had they brought them to the hospital before fleeing into the dark? Giving them painkillers? Hell, putting their cape around the hero’s shoulders?

It didn’t make any sense to the hero and it stung, upsetting their muscles, torturing their heart…

Curiously, humiliation wasn’t part of this. They only felt like they’d lost someone close to them.

Which wasn’t even the truth.

“Look at me.” The villain lifted the hero’s chin with their index finger gently. “No matter what happens, look at me.”

The hero didn’t understand. Their brows knitted together but they didn’t break the eye contact with the villain, looking at their sharp features which only softened in the light of dawn. All of this, so the city could survive. The hero was quite aware that they were the only one to change the city’s fate.

One wrong word and the villain would cut their throats and with that, conjure chaos.

“Do you hate me now?” the villain asked. One thumb brushed over the hero’s bottom lip. “Do you want to kill me?”

“No,” the hero said.

“Answer truthfully. Do you want me dead?”

The hero paused, thinking about that. No, they didn’t want the villain to die, they didn’t want anyone to die. Yes, the hero loathed them for the things they’d done. Breaking their heart like that, leaving them to wonder if things could’ve been different if they’d made a different decision.

“…no,” the hero said. They still looked at the villain, stared into their eyes. In this moment, they seemed as tender as they’d been when they’d rescued the hero. “I don’t want anyone to die.”

“Do you think you could forgive me for the things I’ve done?”

The hero thought about that too.

Fuck, they probably could. Although they were angry and frustrated, they knew they forgave easily. When they thought too much about it, put themselves into someone else’s shoes a little too desperately…

“Yes, I could. Probably.”

The villain waited.

“Okay,” they said. “Kill them both.”

The hero’s eyes widened and they wanted to yank their head towards the mayor and the superhero but the villain’s grip on their chin hardened, commanding them with a gaze to keep looking.

“I’ll take care of you.” The villain wiped one of the hero’s tears away. “Don’t worry, sweetheart. You can stay with me.”