#Sonic Discourse

[maplethedarkshine]

On the new issue of idw Sonic (76) Silver's acting quite different from early idw

More happy and silly/ more serious and mature and overall closer to his 06/rivals characterization

Big w for Silver fans (ME) But with this I've seen people say he's now "too serious", which fair, but I've also seen people say that he's acting like Shadow 2.0, that's a common argument in favor of the sillier Silver of early idw, "we already have enough serious male characters" "Shadow and Espio are enough we need more variety"

While is completely valid to prefer the goofier Silver, to say that the more serious one is just "Shadow and Espio again" is so SO wrong it's making me go insane

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Silver is NOT Shadow, Silver is NOT Espio and Espio is NOT Shadow, fandom tend to treat them like almost basically the same character because they have some common traits it's insane...

First of all, yeah, we NEED more silly male character, but

1# Why changing an already existing character with an already established personality instead of making a new one?

2# We already DO have a silly male character and yall don't tend to like him... (Charmy my baby they will never make me hate you)

Besides, the three have different purposes on the narrative, franchise, and are just different people with the "serious" flavor on top

Silver and Shadow are literal narrative opposites (Past vs future)

Shadow is a character whose arc is that of letting go of the past and moving on

Silver, by concept, can NOT let go of the past and move on because he CAN and WILL change it. Being a time traveler means he can NOT accept circumstances as they are because he has the power to make it better, while Shadow knows that what happened happened and won't do him any good to ponder about the past and live trapped in it

Shadow's character is about acceptance, Silver's about perseverance and optimism.

That bich-ass Sonic forces line of "I'm an optimist but also a realist" NO HE'S NOT??? Silver is the definition of delusional. Fights a half-god on a daily basis, travels back to the past to safe his future, and even when their hope (Sonic) is dead he WILL NOT accept it and keep having hope... And it works because he IS hope

He did the impossible because he's not meant to be realistic, he's meant to be an idea, a concept

Silver is hope just as much as Sonic is freedom. They're representations

Shadow is, on the contrary, a more realistic character (alien talking hedgehog but shhh) in the sense of writing. He's written to have an arc, to change and evolve. Sonic is a static character, an ideal, thus not written "realistically", Silver is a middle ground between the two, but closer to Sonic. He's written to have relatable struggles just as Shadow, but with that idealistic and imposible focus of Sonic. He's a literal angel born in hell (crisis city)

Now, would Shadow, a character defined for his story of moving on from the past and living and learning, fit the role of Silver, a character that, by conception conflicts with the idea of letting the past be in the most direct way possible? If your answer is "no", then you understand why Silver is NOT "Shadow 2.0". Of course there's more nuance and little differences but I'm already overdoing it lmao, my point is that Silver and Shadow are at the core completely different characters and to say they're basically the same because "they're serious" is straight up wrong

Oh and DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON ESPIO

The fandom treat him like "Shadow minus the lore" and it's pissing me off so much because MAN. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

CHARACTER BEING THE REPRESENTATION OF TRAUMA VS COMIC RELIEF CHARACTER

I could go in a tangent here going on the nuances but I'll just make a simple point

"They both have almost the same personality-" would team Chaotix work replacing Espio with Shadow? No, right? So they're NOT the same, because Espio is, on top of everything, a character meant to be in a trio, to bounce out of the other two. Of course, he also works alone as a character just fine, and of course he also works in serious narratives, because he DOES have a personality and depth outside of comic relief (and also nuance that makes him even more different from Shadow and Silver but we're not going there) but his purpose is to be alongside Charmy and Vector, he's made to be surrounded by people and surrounded specifically by those two, so people analyzing him in a vacuum devoid of his team are just interpreting him from the wrong angle. Of course that isolating him from the context of his character would make him extremely similar to Shadow, at that point you're just ignoring half of his character and his point of existing. That's like trying to analyze Knuckles as a character while isolating him from Angel Island and the Master emerald and pretending that's a side note...💔💔💔

The concept of hope vs The representation of trauma vs Part of a team of comic relief characters

How are they even CLOSE to being "basically the same character"????

And I mean if we're going there then the three of them are a Knuckles rip-off because he did the "Loner rival guy" first. Tangle shouldn't exist because she's basically just girl Sonic. Metal shouldn't exist because Silver Sonic happened first and there can only be one robot Sonic. Surge can't exist because scourge already did the "Green rival with blue eyes" but actually jet did it first so fuck them both. Agent Stone can't exist because Starline already exist and it's the same but furry....

"But they're not the same because-" yeah exactly my point.

Characters charing traits does NOT make them "basically the same" and changing one for "variety sake" is useless and counterproductive. We already HAVE that variety you just don't like it

(Also idk if I sound annoying/like an asshole, it's 2 am and I'm rambling something that maybe tomorrow won't make sense anymore lmao)

[kittydoremi]

Really hoping that Sonic 4 isn't just a sonamy fest. It was already annoying how much it was pushed in the Boom universe, I'd hate it if the same thing happened in Sonic 4.

Already seeing fans begging for the onesided romance to be reversed and wanting Sonic to be a simp... why??? The Sonic series isn't focused on romance, especially in the cinematic universe. And you want Sonic's character completely butchered just to push a ship, even if Sonic and Amy's dynamic is nothing like it is in the games??? You care about the movies being faithful to the games but suddenly when it's about sonamy it goes out the window

Idk sometimes it seems like fans care more about sonamy than Amy herself.

Please don't just be a sonamy bait movie 🤦‍♀️

Sorry I just don't like sonamy and how heavily pushed it is. Again I'm fine if the movie teases it a bit but if it's Sonic full on simping over how amazing Amy is I'm gonna roll my eyes

[enderglace]

Just saw an article about Sonic 4 saying they should make Sonic a simp. I didn’t read it because it’s probably clickbait, what with Any Rose as the thumbnail, but I swear if they do make him a simp and it’s for Amy I will revolt. Like don’t get me wrong, not hating on the ship (although I personally don’t like it), their relationship has always be that of friends and a one sided (on Amy’s side(boom will never count to me)) hero crush.

And if they do end up making Sonic a Simp could they please do the funniest thing and make him a simp for Shadow? I think the gays deserve that win.

[kingmaxstatic]

Hey gang I know I said I wouldn't discuss discourse anymore but can we actually fucking not accuse sonic the hedgehog characters of doing unspeakable actions. I'm being so serious some of you guys have gotten way too comfortable throwing around certain terms without trigger warnings and at this point i'm just tired.

You guys will just sometimes post about the worst shit and not even tw SHIT for it. This comic and game franchise is family friendly and we're not in the penders era.

(TRIGGER WARNING BELOW FOR SA + CHILD ABUSE MENT)

I genuinely do not believe I have to say this but things like SA and child abuse aren't your fictional angst and people in real life suffer from it. Please. Keep victims in mind while posting. Even if it's fictional, take it from me, it can be SUPER triggering.

-A victim of Verbal + Emotional Child Abuse

[werewolf-cuddles]

It's finally happened. The antis have now claimed that Sonadow is problematic (Despite being THE Sonic ship right alongside sonamy) because Shadow is apparently 50 years old and thus sonadow is pedophilia.

lmao, that's so stupid

For that argument to make any sense at all, you have to ignore that Shadow was created, not born, and was already fully grown by the time he awakened.

Not to mention, he was likely less than a year old at the time of the Ark raid, and while that did indeed happen 50 years prior to Sonic Adventure 2, he spent those 50 years in suspended animation, so they technically don't even count.

Like... mentally, Sonic and Shadow are just about even.

Of course, arguing about ages is pointless, given that in the case of this franchise, it is largely irrelevant and arbitrary anyway.

[fionas-freedom]

It sucks being a metal sonic fan cuz sometimes something really cool involving him happens like…once in a blue moon. And then never again for several years.

[demogus2023]

What is the dumbest take you heard about the Sonic franchise? I'll share a few:

Sonic was never good (a classic)

Sonic saying "y'all" in an IDW comic

Anything with Ian Flynn (plz stop this)

Sonic shouldn't like chilli dogs as it's too western for a Japanese IP (???????????)

A lot of options of Amy and how she should be writing, especially with Sonic (poor girl)

[fortemelody]

i check twitter every once in awhile and i don’t have the app becus i do not feel like brainrotting myself even more 😭 but for me it’s mostly becus it has some GOOD sonamy food (art). however, whenever i’m scrolling through i have to see the shit that the sonamy channel posts and my lord are they annoying. like jesus bro can’t handle people liking any other ship becus they aren’t canon, along with being based on biases apparently (which like…yeah mf that’s kinda the point…you just like what you wanna like???) also people say therye an incel too so that’s cute! and then non sonamy shippers will think we all agree with them and that is far from the truth. they are the epitome of needless discourse and feeling the need to defend something that is so minuscule and literally fictional constantly like you’re fighting for your life. and plus many of the posts that aren’t necessarily problematic are just a stretch sometimes. they’ll be like “omg do you think sonic and amy will have a super romantic scene in the third movie?!?1!1?1!” (this is not verbatim and i’m slightly exaggerating) and as a sonamy fan i can tell you that probably won’t be the case and what is the point in the extreme speculation if she isn’t even confirmed to be in the movie yet and we have like no fucking trailer at all yet. and i’m sad to admit i used to follow them on insta (where i didn’t know how much drama they got into becus there’s no threads and such) and i slowly had to realize how ridiculous their claims were over time and eventually unfollowed. like do they sometimes post decent moments and observations about sonamy? yes. but rather than in a wholesome “omg look at my cute ship” way, it’s like “omg sega did this right here so therefore my ship is canon and it’s the best and i hope they do this next pretty please”. i’m just. so done bro 💀 like i said this is why i don’t have twitter it’s actual bootycheeks on here. it goes even further than that and random people will start arguments in the sonic fandom every day such as which way sonic’s shoes are drawn is better or sonic prime vs mickey mouse clubhouse (credit to sonicbits on insta for keeping me updated without making me open the website, you a real one ong).

but uhhh yeah that’s all i got sorry i have finally risen from the grave to give y’all more sonic rants that i bet my whopping 30 ish followers missed after i was too tired and busy recently to think up anything so i just reblogged stuff for awhile 🙏

[frostythefrostedfox]

When people says "I want to rewrite 06", is a codeword for this:

Because that's what they do every single time

Stay mad, the kiss is canon

<3 And there is nothing you can do about it <3

[supersonicbaddie]

Happy holidays boos! ☺️😘

[eeleye-mcshitposts]

the only logical reason why Zavok keeps coming the fuck back...

[that-one-multifandom-syl]

Seeing Sonictwt/Sonic twitter seething/hating on Movie Sonic, harrassing anyone who likes the movies or straight up lie about certain sections of Sonic 3, while literally every other site are completely fine about him (and if they don't like him, they deal with it better), just shows that they're insecure over new people getting into the franchise. All just because of a few people from Tiktok. That's it. "He's not Sonic!!1" Guess what; Movie Sonic is not canon! The only thing from the movies that was in any of the games was the Tokyo level from a Shadow Generations DLC. But even then, it was clear in the starting cutscene that it was still normal Shadow. I get not liking Movie Sonic or the movies and it's fine to criticize them but holy shit, from all the tweets you'd think he killed their parents lmao

[kittydoremi]

I think it's funny how SonElise is the least toxic and the most healthy of the main three sonic ships (In terms of what character Sonic has had feelings for canonically)

It doesn't have the same issues of being borderline abusive and onesided like Sonamy does sometimes, with Amy being way too possessive and aggressive in several games and in Sonic X, and it also doesn't suffer from the bad writing of some parts of Archie with Sonally.

Yet SonElise still gets shat on the most out of the three ships and called "the worst".... because reasons I guess 🤷‍♀️ 06 bad amiright? 🙄

[the-mad-rat1]

Being a Sonic fan is so annoying, because we literally suffer from the biggest case of

"OH, SO WHEN I DO IT THERE'S A PROBLEM???"

Ever dude, every fan base does the thing of complaining about the thing on the design of a character, that they particularly don't like, crash bandicoot fans are always complaining about how crash doesn't look at all like his PS1 low poly self anymore, Mario fans were literally complaining about how Mario sounded like in the movie, and even they have problems with his design sometimes..

But the moment a sonic fan complains about the design of any sonic character everyone jumps in to make fun of the sonic fan who ever dared to look at a sonic character with an "this could be better" expression.

[yakkyrwhackr]

hot take: superstars deserves to be up there with the discussion of the worst sonic games. it's the one thing a sonic game shouldn't be: painfully boring

[werewolf-cuddles]

Just found this comment on a news article about IDW Sonic

My brother in chaos, how the fuck does "DEI" even fucking apply to Sonic characters?

Is it because Tangle and Whisper are women? Is that it? Is that literally the entire reason you're screaming and crying about "DEI"?