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what happened on tarsus iv?
this is my attempt at creating a definitive list of information on what kirk experienced on tarsus iv for fic writers and other fans who want to know wtf is up with kirk's backstory.
(I have a longer, more general post on tos kirk's backstory here.)
"Kodos the Executioner, summary. Governor of Tarsus Four twenty Earth years ago. Invoked martial law. Slaughtered fifty percent of population Earth colony, that planet. Burned body found when Earth forces arrived. No positive identification. Case closed."
let's start with this quote from spock, detailing the information he found on their ship's computer.
first of all: at its core, this episode is tos's take on the nazis who escaped capture. adolf eichmann was only found in 1960, and would certainly have been in the public memory as a high profile nazi who managed to make a new life under an assumed name. he was not the only one to have escaped capture, and I don't think I need to explain which conspiracy theory the circumstances of kodos's faked death call to mind.
this episode was an exploration of what form cruelty and authoritarianism might take in star trek's universe, with a huge amount of influence from shakespeare's work. the two together make up this central dilemma: is it kodos? might kirk be condemning an innocent man? if it is kodos, does kirk have the right to act as judge, jury, and executioner? is it possible for someone who carried out terrible acts to live a new life somewhere else, and not have the violence follow?
SPOCK: According to our library banks, it started on the Earth colony of Tarsus IV, when the food supply was attacked by an exotic fungus and largely destroyed. There were over eight thousand colonists and virtually no food. And that was when Governor Kodos seized full power and declared emergency martial law.
MCCOY: I've heard of it.
SPOCK: You may not have heard it all. Kodos began to separate the colonists. Some would live, be rationed whatever food was left. The remainder would be immediately put to death. Apparently he had his own theories of eugenics.
MCCOY: Unfortunately, he wasn't the first.
SPOCK: Perhaps not. But he was certainly among the most ruthless, to decide arbitrarily who would survive and who would not, using his own personal standards, and then to implement his decision without mercy. Children watching their parents die. Whole families destroyed. Over four thousand people. They died quickly, without pain, but they died. Relief arrived, but too late to prevent the executions. And Kodos? There never was a positive identification of his body.
the thing is, this introduces a number of inconsistencies. it could easily be chalked up to confusion between multiple drafts of the script, but if you want to look deeper and see where the information comes from, you'll notice the two survivors have very different stories than the official starfleet record.
specifically, spock says that they died quickly and painlessly, and though he is sure that karidian is kodos, he does not seem to treat him as a legitimate threat to anyone's safety. we don't know if kodos ever directly killed anyone, or if he only gave the orders. but kirk and leighton seem to agree on the violence: leighton refers to his own injury as "the bloody thing (kodos) did", and kirk recalls kodos "blasting" others out of existence. it's possible kirk was saying it to confuse kodos, so kodos might say "that's not how it happened" and give himself away. it's also possible that leighton sustained his injury at a different time than the massacre. it seems likeliest to me in any case that the information on the ship's computer is not the entire truth.
which also means you can headcanon whatever you want and nobody can tell you definitively that you're wrong. be free with your tarsus iv headcanons.
exploring the tarsus iv lore (or lack of it) has led me to this sort of consensus in the fandom that kirk was looking after a group of children. I think it's a very cool way of exploring how central it is to his character that he has to be in control, protecting people, and fighting back, and I've read and enjoyed some absolutely fantastic fics with that premise. even william shatner seems to agree. in his novel collision course (which gives kirk and spock a sort of alternate first meeting as teenagers and gives some great insights into how shatner viewed kirk's backstory), kirk ().
the ship's computer specifies the number of survivors later in the episode as nine, and lists them as
Kirk, J., Leighton, T., Moulton, E., Riley, K., Eames, D.
before kirk cuts it off. once leighton dies, the last two surviving are kirk and riley.
the novelization by james blish names a couple more characters, and in order of age: Leighton, T., Molson, E., Kirk, J., Wiegand, R., Eames, S., and Daiken, R., which was what they called the role of kevin riley initially. he is specified as being five years old at the time, and kirk is not a child or teen but a midshipman.
and collision course names still more characters. edith zaglada, an eight year old girl who kirk saw killed. donny, tay, and billy are named as other survivors. this novel doesn't get into kodos's motivations or kirk's circumstances, but it gives us two new characters, griffyn and matthew, who are teenagers employed by kodos as bounty hunters for escapees of the initial massacre. starfleet arrives just as edith is shot and griffyn is trying to convince matthew to shoot kirk. we don't really know if kirk knew any of the other survivors, but he mentions edith's name specifically a few times as a death that affected him a lot. it's heartbreaking to watch city on the edge of forever with that in mind. I also can't find a source for anyone calling him JT, but collision course does call him jimmy during the flashback chapters.
crucially, the novel isn't technically canon. so you can have your gang of children led by JT, or you can have jimmy stick with a couple of people, or you could do something totally your own. none of these are wrong! do whatever your heart desires.
if you want some practical details, there's a great post here by @spirk-trek and pt 1, pt 2, and pt 3 of a great post by @pywren. I may make my own tarsus iv headcanon post if anyone is interested, and if I do I'll link it here.
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To specify (because there is a character limit in polls), I am asking if it’s okay for consumers of your work to leave comments with criticism of the show and also if you are okay with people leaving comments with constructive criticism of your work
If you can, specify what type of creator you are in the tags!
#I have seen a lot of opinions on this matter#and I want to know what the general consensus is#no other purpose to this but my curiosity#but that is certainly reason enough for me to make a poll#also#use your own discretion for these answers#if you aren’t sure if you’re a creator#or you aren’t sure if your opinion is nuanced#or for or against#just choose what feels right#reblog for a bigger sample size#please!#miraculous ladybug#mlb#miraculous#ml#ml fandom#ml writers#ml artists#ml polls#my polls#poll
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my Stephanie Brown hot take is that she should get mad bitches now that she's single in comics. Yes yes shipping BUT the one time she had sex she was punished by the narrative via teen pregnancy. I think she should be allowed to have as much sex as she wants with zero consequences. Could be a lot of sex, could be a little. Point is she should get to do it without getting narratively baby trapped this time. she should get them pregnant, actually.
#ramblings of a lunatic#dc comics#dc#stephanie brown#this is a joke post but it also. isn't#like. i understand that what I'm asking for is a very slippery slope especially in the hands of the average comic writers (hates women sm)#but consider that i think it would be neat if female characters in the batmythos had sex lives again...#babs was out here having cybersex with ted kord in the 90s! helena had sex! black canary had sex and was kinda a gotham chara back then!#cass is generally more interested in justice than in sex and i abide by that#(tho user @casscain-mainly has great meta diving into the portrayal of cass' sexuality! good read and was on the brain while typing this)#steph however? canonical sex haver and got done dirty for it#like. personally i prefer to imagine that steph having sex with dean was 100% her choice#idk man she just felt like it! she wanted to bone#and maybe there's other factors at play there- Dean is by all accounts deeply unpleasant as a person so no doubt-#-stephs chronic low self-esteem played into her choice of man here#but again i like to imagine that it was all sane and consensual (tho not safe which again. lots to ponder there-#-like ik dixon was NAWT thinking abt this at the time but Steph's mom is a nurse. a semi-absent nurse but a nurse nonetheless)#(i find it hard to believe that Steph didn't have a basic sex education. meaning it was either a freak accident she got pregnant-#-or a wildly ooc decision on her part. OR some kind of outside pressure put on her by someone/something)#(we'll never know bc dixon hates me personally)#BUT ANYWAY yeah Steph has some kind of canonical sex drive and is just. soundly punished for it#and then she's with Tim (Paragon of Male Virtue in Dixons eyes) so no sex whatsoever no no no ☝️#and she's never had a seriously considered love interest outside of Tim to ever consider having sex with#ALL THIS TO SAY. let Steph have sex again but without the narrative punishment in 2025#if this is what it takes to get her back in bat books so be it#also she should get to hook up with some age appropriate fellow heroes. as like fun one offs#who's in her age range? blue beetle (jaime)? circuit breaker? assuming we're trying to make this canonical and (sigh) can't pull women#I'm blanking on men who aren't vaguely too old/young for steph or gay. or just awkward (i.e like. kon el. that'd just feel weird yknow?)#ANYWAY yeah. Steph Brown stud era
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Plssss explain in tags I'm so curious as to peoples theories/thoughts
#CURIOUS as to what the general consensus is because I have my own thoughts . But I want to Know what u all think#Mostly because I'm wondering what we think is going to happen come hl2vrai bc barneys like. Immediately in hl2.#And there's an OBVIOUS joke there. But idk if they'll show their cards (benny) that early#So I'm just curious as to if people think Benry is Barney or like. A version of him (akin to barmey)#Or if people think they're separate people. Or if someone got The Thing-ed#I can explain my own thoughts if pressed but they're kind of. ? Odd maybe#Hlvrai#half life vr ai#benrey#half life#barney calhoun#transmission#poll#like WHAT do we think is going to happen. With Barny.. my b
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I don't doubt someone has made this poll before but for my own curiosity:
#sky children of the light#sky cotl#that sky game#skycotl#thatskygame#With how many systems it's on now I want to know what's the general consensus on what people prefer#personally im a steamdeck and switch girlie#live having actual buttons and joysticks it makes maneuvering SO much easier#but since the game started on mobile im interested to see if thats still most peoples preference#but yeah this is just for funsies!
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I can't stop thinking about trans masc spike. I don't know what fucking worms in my brain are causing this but ever since that article I read about genderqueer spike I can't. I can't watch school hard and not think about it. he comes into frame and I can see the article all over again like an afterimage burned onto the screen. ftm spike. drusilla don't gaf she already knew before he did. do you think angelus uses his correct pronouns
#I think he does use spike's preferred pronouns but only bc he wants to. not bc he respects spike in any way shape or form#it's entirely malicious despite technically doing what spike wants#angel is 100x more normal about it. but still does not respect spike#what is the consensus on buffy. not about the pronouns. but just perhaps the general knowledge that people could even do that#she barely held it together at realizing she knew gay people idk WHAT knowing a trans person would do to her#I'm being jokey btw. I can imagine a little wiggage but she'd get over it pretty fast#she's got too much shit going on to care about spike's wack ass past of all things#I keep wondering about how the early days must've gone for him#hitting a mental block here someone's gonna have to fill in for me I have to consider this very slowly or I might die I think#sighing I'm talking about The Trans Spike Article again#I think I've only mentioned it once but I think about it. more. than that.#the actual title is “'can't be a human can't be a vampire:' spike and gender identity” by natalie parks#the funniest part is the article doesn't specifically talk about spike being ftm. I'm just. that's just me and my head#I don't even know what I want. why I'm so fixated on this#but it's sticking with me HARD#spike btvs#btvs#buffy the vampire slayer
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Quirrelnet is Kaguya Sama: Love is War and Tisotamer is Don't Toy With Me Miss Nagatoro
No I will not elaborate
#funnily enough I've never seen Nagatoro-san but I kind of want to#from what I know about it I think it fits the general consensus of tisotamer's dynamic#though maybe I'm wrong#hollow knight#hk#quirrelnet#tisotamer#quirrnet
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Something something men will live like this and see no issue..... something
#gu6chan's musings#who wants to come to my decrepit little area and play drakengard 2 with me.............#(this is brief foreshadowing bc i was just told the renovations SHOULD be right around the corner any moment now)#(when exactly?? none of us have a clue lol but the general consensus is that as soon as the electricity gets figured out it will take like.#(barely any time to get the tiles; panels; and ceiling up)#(I might even get an actual door for my room!!! hell yeah!!!!)#(And when that's all said and done I'll definitely have to show off the finished thing since I don't really know what the plan is for it???#(but it's supposed to look really good 👀)
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Making some little lock screen things (to share in this case) and I was just wondering if people would prefer for me to use translated English JO lyrics or use the original lyrics for them.
#joker out#I am kind of leaning towards keeping the original lyrics because *respect the source material*✊#but using english translations will make the motifs in the collages maybe stand out a little more to a wider audience idk#I just want to see what the general consensus is#I'm making lock screens based on each song (along with another little thing to go along with it) just for fun! If you wanted to know..
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Question I’ve been wondering:
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whats even the deal with betas in the omegaverse . theyve got to have Something special going on
#i realize i can just make my own rules abt them bc its fiction but i dont know what the general consensus is bc ive never read a beta#centric fic before . except for like one that i dont rlly remember .#theres no way theyre just regular ppl they still HAVE to be wolves .#are they kind of like verses where they can take on a more omega or alpha role depending on who they are ?#sorry i know some of u guys are very dignified & intelligent & dont want to see omegaverse discussion on ur dash
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Devastating that you had ten peaceful years to get into Jean and Jeremy but you only became interested in them when your headcanons got an expiration date... Like yeah Ill always keep smoker Jeremy in my heart no matter what Big Canon tries to sell me but it is a lowkey hilarious turn of events for you. Here you dropped this *hands you a cardboard L*
BAHAHA (takes the L) thank you............................... to be honest ive always liked jean and i never really cared for jeremy beyond his friendship with kevin and those opinions haven't changed so much as they have evolved. i still don't think much of jeremy beyond that he's funny and a good man, and i'm glad he's a good captain for jean, but there's not much investment here. perhaps the new book might make him more worthwhile to think upon, but truly there's very little about jeremy that makes him interesting or engaging to me beyond the amusement of his dynamics with jean and kevin. i daresay that as a protagonist for tsc he'll be the weaker end
BUT YEAH IT'S TRAGIC. it's all very tragic. i'm not looking forward to ten years of fanwork getting disproved or rendered useless, and to me, that's the most awkward part about the timing of tsc's release. i don't think there's anything anyone could do about this, or if there was any way nora sakavic could've timed it better, but i guess it's just still a little sad to think about. personally i'm not excited for the influx of post-tsc release content that suffocates the fan content made in the past ten years
#everyone can do whatever they want forever of course but you know what i mean? its a little sad#i feel like if we got tsc in 2018 or 2019 it wouldve been. not ideal but not as awkward#i dont know really fandom is not a recent phenomenum but it's still new enough that we've never dealt with things like this#in the publishing industry#if tsc is perfectly in line with all of the fandom's hcs it will feel pointless#if it isn't it'll feel like a study case in disproving the general consensus#i guess my point is just that it's delicate. it's all very delicate when it comes to stories like aftg#and i'm sure nora sakavic is more than aware of this#which again brings me to the point that if the writer has to conform the fandoms hcs to avoid harrassment or mass rejection#and it is in her best interest to do this because writing is after all her breadwinner#then what is the point of the book? and how can it be respected as an original piece of work?#anyway i dont know really. i dont know. hopefully my concerns are unfounded#lost my train of thought theres a cute fuzzy little bee buzzing around me#asks#jeremy#jean#tsc
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what do you guys think kaveh would smell like. Trust me this is so important
#aphelion speaks 🌸#I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IS#writing a fic for the first time in about a month......#of course it's about kaveh!!#sort of.#hehe.#*evil little giggle*
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#i need to go on one tonight and Parent is adamant i don't in case something happens to me#mostly because i'm A) alone and B) a woman GASP#which i think is stupid and ignorant but i just want to know what the general consensus is without getting circumstantial#so there's no need for explanations why although they are welcome#(don't know how i'm expected to make friends & have a life when i apparently need to have those to do that but anyway [screams in late 20s])
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#i just want to know whats going on#because the interaction is terrible#like 10-20 notes for almost every post#its a miracle if i hit 100 notes these days#and thats usually if a show is trending which is sad#are 99.9% of my followers bots#are any of you real? haha#is my content just terrible#should i stop making as much content?#like I want a general consensus
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