#and like it’s about spn as a show as a whole

[soullessjack]

🔥 jack

oh my godddd I have so many unpopular opinions where do I even start….HOLY DISCLAIMER BATMAN!

anyways so in no particular order or tier system:

✯ i don’t think jack would wear anything feminine im sorry spn fandom. for lolz he has same-outfit-pattern-everyday autism and for serious it’s like. Really weird how fandoms tend to HC/portray non-binary amabs (and men/transmascs in general) almost exclusively as GNC or fem-presenting…like DGMW that is a real and valid form of self expression but it’s not the Only type of non-binary expression that exists. and honestly…**dare I say that most fandom/queer spaces just need to realize that queer masculinity exists and it doesn’t always have to be a matter of breaking gender norms??

** genuinely do whatever u want idc I can’t stop you i don’t want to stop you yada yada. paint his nails and put him in a skirt all u want but Please recognize patterns yall 😭

✯ more headcanon complaints (see disclaimer above ⇧) but I promise to switch it up soon. anyways every time somebody on this lil website says something along the lines of “Jack can’t handle/doesn’t like [insert violence, scary or adult-oriented thing], he prefers [soft or blatantly childlike things]” I shrivel inward like a dead spider. It’s annoying, it’s completely inaccurate to his canon personality and interests, it’s annoying ˣ2, and whether ppl wanna admit it or not—it stems from infantilization. not necessarily ableism, as infantilization is not exclusive to disabled people, but still just about the same thing.

honestly all I see of majority jack headcanons are ones that set him back to just being a child or otherwise being treated like one. for example, the one about him being able to shapeshift is pretty cool...until it just becomes about him deciding to age regress, yknow, to an age set he canonically chose not to go through, showed no desire to be in, and is more offended than anything to be considered as such. all of his interests have to be some shit like bluey or animal crossing, and he drinks apple juice from a sippy cup instead of beer. BARF.

I’ve lessened on my keyboard warring over babyjack in the past year but I have not lessened in being a hater. and I’ve said this before, but the baby-jack au already breached headcanon containment a long time ago when it’s not only so widespread that ppl take it for canon and it makes having any intelligent conversation about him nearly fucking Impossible, but it also lead to harassment and accusations of being a fucking predator, to anyone who dared find a whole grown man attractive. any potential jack ship, like jackharper? automatic grooming case to them. it’s like the fandom is just so dead set on this idea that jack really truly is a child in every aspect you can think of, and for what? if it’s just a headcanon, something you know is not part of the actual show, then don’t go Travis the Chimp levels of apeshit when you see him being treated like he is canonically 💀

unpopular opinion numero 3 which is slightly connected to 2:

✯ baby-jack and a handful of the domestic au’s are BORING (see disclaimer again ⇧), not just on a surface level to my suiting, but also because I feel like it just ..misses the point of the show?

the ragtag untraditional found family is now as nuclear and traditional as the Atomic Age. Dean and Cas are the most heteronormative “who wears the pants in the relationship” gay couple ever, Sam is demoted to the uncle that gets written out of his own family, Jack is just there to make his gay dads look cute and emphasize that they’re a gay family (while still being very heteronormative), and at least 5 of them could be found in a California gated community. everything that made any of them unique or defined their personalities is just scrubbed off, even for an AU.

so much of the later seasons focus on Sam and Dean realizing that they don’t have to make a hard splitting decision between the lives they want to live; that they can find a balance; be happy and have good things—namely families—without giving up hunting (and vice versa, that they can have hunting without giving up on family or happiness). everybody loves the gay hunters from S10(?12?) and what they represented for Dean, but I almost never see that be put into practice in the fandom.

THEY’RE ALREADY DOMESTIC!!! AND WITH THAT PERFECT BALANCE!!!! Season 13 quite literally gave Team Free Will a surrogate son to raise and established them as a family; highly untraditional, largely dysfunctional, overall not fitting of a family family, and yet they are a family still. Dean wears an apron and cooks and bakes for everyone; he built himself a man cave and established two separate family night events that they all ritually keep up; Sam has a morning jogging routine and visits his girlfriend every so often; Jack was taught how to drive, has normal chores like washing dishes, and gets groceries. And they didn’t just have that while fighting monsters—they had that while fighting a whole fucking archangel. Even if it did go down the gutter by the end, they still had it: domestic familial bliss and violent messy hunting without having to trade one for the other.

✯ I truly genuinely think Jack’s relationship with Dean is the best, most interesting and most misunderstood out of the three, and I also think that the problems with his relationship to Cas and Sam are hugely overlooked by the fandom—granted they are very small, especially if you’re comparing it to Dean, but they’re still there and I think we should bully Cas and Sam about it more. I shan’t elaborate because it’s 5AM and this was an impulsive add-on ❤️

✯ getting normal now…his plaid pattern jacket from the first half of Ouroboros is ugly as SHIT i have never liked it and don’t think I ever will. but I cannot deny it; he got that shit on.

✯ most unpopular opinion of all, I wanna do insane shit to his cervix 🙌

[an-android-in-a-tutu]

I think I would like the bunker more as a concept if they were squatters rather than legacies, you know? Like the the like inherited secret society birthright thing doesn't do it for me but two crunchy regular dudes who find an abandoned secret society hide out and go Aw Shit Free House? THAT I'm into.

[boywifesammy]

fucking 4x04 metamorphosis man. i think it's the first time spn really addressed sam being a "freak". like it's set up beautifully for the first 3 seasons but the psychic/demon blood arc pulled it to the forefront.

sam has felt this feeling of alienation, this wrongness inside of him his entire life. not fitting into the hunting life, never having a stable home, being nerdy and empathetic and emotional trapped in a big 6'5 body. and when he finally gets a life outside hunting with jess, it gets ripped away from him. for the first 3 seasons he kept that all bottled up inside and let dean take the reigns (very lil bro of him btw), because whenever he tries to break out of it (jess, meg, etc etc) it ends horribly. and to have that feeling of constant otherness validated by learning that he has demon blood inside of him? sam must have believed that he was sick to the very core. he must have looked up to dean as his amazing big brother, who was rough around the edges but good and normal and always dad’s favourite. so it’s no surprise that sam kept a lid on all of those feelings around dean, because he was used to being the freak, and he was used to suppressing it.

then dean is gone and sam suddenly loses the one person who saw something good in him. hell, his own father thought he was a monster, and other hunters, who are the only other people he could make any sort of meaningful connection with without putting their lives in danger. he’s stuck with this awful thing inside of him, rotting away at him, his whole family is dead, and ruby is there, telling him he’s not evil. he’s not bad. he can make something good of this thing inside of him. and sam must think that ruby understands; she’s a demon, trying to be good, she gets it. so sam gets so deep into it that he forgets why it would ever be bad. he basks in this feeling of otherness and he embraces being a freak because for once in his life, it's actually a good thing that he's different.

then dean comes back to life and suddenly everything is flipped on its head. in the eyes of dean, he’s a monster. that awful feeling of alienation returns. he’s a freak, he’s a ticking time bomb, he’s tainted from the inside out. so of course sam hides it from dean, because he wouldn’t understand. not like ruby apparently understands, not like the other psychic kids, to sam dean could never understand him because he was always the freaky nerd younger brother and dean was the cool, sweet talking older bro that always seemed to have everything in check.

so that look of absolute hurt on sam’s face when dean says he has something evil inside of him, something in his blood?

that is genuine betrayal. dean's loss is still fresh to him, and now that he's finally found something that makes him belong, it's ripped away from him. just like stanford, just like jess, just like anything else in life that he tries to make his own. so he blows up on dean, screams about how he feels like a freak, just unloads all of this shit that he's been holding in his entire life. his entire damn life. because sam has been an "other", a freak, as long as he's known. the only person who he had was dean, but now he was losing him, before he even got him back fully. all because he tried to embrace who he really was.

so yeah. 4x04 metamorphosis man. wow. just fucking wow.

[paellegere]

thinking... maybe there's something to be said about soul survivor and salvation. this would be the first time sam has actually saved dean in the show since faith. sam has protected dean several times by sacrificing himself, but every time sam has tried to save dean's life in the same way dean so often saves sam, he's failed. i didn't think about this at first, but curing dean of being a demon really should count as saving dean's life.

so that opens the door for the interpretation that by giving himself into codependency at the end of season 9, and through the role reversal that persists through seasons 9-10, sam is able to step into dean's shoes, which does involve saving his brother's life because that's what dean does. in that case, it's another way which the narrative rewards their codependent relationship: the more codependent they get, the more capable they are of keeping each other alive (the most important thing). it's not until sam wholeheartedly embraces a codependent relationship with dean that he finally sees success in his endeavors to revive dean and bring him home to him. by contrast, dean was able to bring sam back all those times because he was all in with their tangled-up, unhealthy relationship from the start.

insane show for insane people. seriously

[quietwingsinthesky]

Dean is such a paradox for me because on the one hand, I have been actively triggered by him in the show, there are moments where, intentionally or not, the writers managed to create a portrayal of manipulation and abuse and control issues that it sets off actual alarms for me. And on the other hand, I would not have him any other way. There is something — not comforting, that’s too soft a word — about knowing where Dean’s actions stem from, having seen and learned all that we do about his childhood neglect and parentification and the trauma he goes through repeatedly in the show, and that he doesn’t come out clean. He comes out a goddamn mess who ends up hurting the people around him in reaction to his own pain!

There’s a reality there that’s. Almost nice, actually. Distressing to watch, but it is a fucking mess, it’s a good mess! He’s got zero healthy coping skills and a healthy relationship with say, his brother, is terrifying because it leaves him open to abandonment!

I’m not sure I’m wording this correctly. There is a way to be a good abuse victim. Take the pain, martyr yourself on it, and then, even if you have no support or idea how to, then you have to become a Good Person who never hurts anyone the way you have been learning to your entire life. Simply toss everything that shaped you out the door and emerge a saint with a tragic backstory. And Dean is not that. And that’s so fucking good. Everything that he has gone through continues to effect the way he treats the people around him, and he can’t fight the behaviors he might recognize as harmful because he also sees them as protecting him (or protecting Sam by keeping Sam with him.)

And sometimes, idk. It feels good to see a guy who didn’t heal the “right way.” Who mostly didn’t heal at all, just keeps the wound open because it’s easier that way.

[angelsdean]

something i really love about the prequel is the emphasis on community. people on this show have friends, support networks. we constantly see people in groups, even the akrida, they're not one big bad, they're a whole community. they are a hive mind, they work together. the witch speakeasy this ep was another example of these communities that exist in this world. spn was so often devoid of that. so many characters were on their own, lone wolfs, cut off or cast out. in spn hunting especially was portrayed as this very solitary, isolated lifestyle. but in the winchesters we see that's not true at all !! we saw glimpses of this in spn with the roadhouse and at asa's funeral but in the winchesters it gets reinforced even more. they are a group. they rely on each other and all bring something to the table. and every ! episode ! the core four at least is there, and then there's ada and millie too. and they all feel equally important and not just there as a convenient plot device.

i forever mourn the ensemble cast spn that lives in my mind<3 if they'd have realized that the show had evolved past being centered on the brothers we could've had so much !! but i love that clearly that is what they are trying to achieve with the prequel. this isn't just about john and mary. this could've easily been a show with two leads again and a few recurring characters but no, they made the conscious choice to make it four leads and give those characters their own subplots and struggles. anyways i just love it so much. like ironically, for being called 'the winchesters' it's abt more than just them !! it's about community and friendships and chosen family !!!

[girl-bateman]

How does one get assigned as sam coded / dean coded ? Do I need a doctors note ? A psych evaluation perhaps ?

[ardentpoop]

the s4 parallels are putting my heart through the wringer :)

sam extends levels of compassion and patience to the vulnerable people in his life that he was never offered when he needed it most

[flugame-mp3]

what do you fucking mean that's how charlie dies. THAT'S HOW CHARLIE DIES??? i mean i know the show has a penchant for killing off every character who's not a winchester brother or an angel of thursday but good god. what the fuck. charlie was such a good and enjoyable recurring character, and she had such a fandom impact that i've seen, and she's only around for THREE SEASONS?? (sidebar: it's amazing she has the presence she does for only being around for a couple episodes in the long run!) but: was this necessary? and she just dies offscreen after her skills are utilized to progress the plot of decoding the book of the damned?? oh my god. what in the actual fuck. i'm finding myself getting genuinely very upset at her death. she did not fucking deserve that. and i can absolutely see why the fan response to her death is what it is now. completely fucking unjustified and throwaway and useless.

[biblionerd07]

Btw if my Wynonna Earp spamming has inspired anyone to start watching (all 4 seasons are on Netflix, at least in the US), please be prepared for…let’s call it camp. Not sure if it counts as camp when I don’t think it was on purpose, but that’s what I’m calling it. The CGI is BAD. It gets a little better as the show goes on, but I’m warning you now. Sometimes the actors outside the main cast are……..less than stellar. (But the main cast is very good! Don’t worry!!) Sometimes the writing will unintentionally make you laugh, and there are some plot holes that never get resolved. BUT WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID: your payoff will be hilarity, kickass women who don’t fall into two stereotypical personalities, loving found family that will die for each other (and often make horrible deals with dark entities to save each other), and happy endings. It’s worth it!!!

[gh-0-stcup]

This is a nice speech from Sam, but it feels like it was written by somebody who didn't really watch the show.

It pretty clearly wasn't "just one more job" in season 1. Not after Jess died, at least. They were looking for their dad and Sam wanted to kill Azazel. He probably had hopes of returning to school, but he wasn't just going aimlessly from hunt to hunt. He had a specific mission that season.

[touchlikethesun]

seeing dean’s speech to mary in 12x22 in webweavings about mothers and daughters like. yeah. “i need you to see me.” robert berens how did you do it. how did you understand.

[jarchaeology]

oooh wait that's cool! was phillipe on days too?

nah, he was on one life to live. never watched it, but the role was still talked about by the time jensen got on days. the issue of queer characters on soaps was still largely untouched so it was very much discussed by fans and journalists.

[sunglassesmish]

and of course i was watching a trailer for a horror movie in the cinema and my brother was like ‘OH MY GOD THAT WAS ANTONY STARR!!!’ and i thought he was joking but nope

[quietwingsinthesky]

funniest part of spn fandom is when people go “ugh i can’t STAND sam (or dean) because he’s so self-righteous and annoying and selfish and mean to his brother-” as if these are not traits that apply to them both equally. putting aside that yes, sometimes characters will be characters and have aspects of them that bring them into conflict with other characters, (even characters you might like! scary!) the show’s been off the air for like four years now, can we not all just admit at this point that 99% of brother favoritism isn’t about who they are as characters and is more about which one you find hot or which one’s daddy issues you were able to relate to more.

[controlaltdelete-my-existence]

well somehow there’s a miniature john winchester redemption arc in the spn anime. That show made some interesting choices that for sure