#anti naruto ending

[watermelonsloth]

I think the reason why Naruto fans get so passionate and upset about the series is because of how real it can be. Naruto isn’t about paragon heroes outdoing dastardly villains. It’s about human beings fighting tooth and nail to survive in a world surrounded by death. It’s about broken systems made and perpetuated by broken people.

The Hyuga clan isn’t just antagonistic or pretentious, they practice slavery.

The Uchiha clan weren’t just killed by some raging psychopath, they were systematically massacred.

Itachi isn’t just cruel to Sasuke because he’s a bad brother, he’s cruel because he’d been told time and time again that you can only survive by being cruel and he wants nothing more than for Sasuke to survive.

Nagato isn’t trying to take over the world just for the sake of power, he’s trying to take over the world because it beat him down to the point of believing that the only chance at peace there is is the world being forced into compliance through fear.

Iruka isn’t hard on Naruto just because he’s a strict teacher, he’s hard on Naruto because he knows from experience how unforgiving the world is towards orphans.

Kakashi isn’t just some silly and slightly lazy teacher, he’s a contract killer still grieving his loved ones and struggling to do better without knowing how he’s supposed to.

Sakura isn’t just a fangirl, she’s a normal girl in a very dangerous and abnormal world constantly being made to choose between what she’s supposed to do and what she feels.

Sasuke isn’t just some edgelord, he’s a survivor who lost everything then gets repeatedly told that he has to choose between keeping what he’s gained and doing better than his brother.

Naruto isn’t just trying to be the best Hokage there ever was, he’s trying to prove his worth to a society that abandoned him just for existing and, in a way, confirm his worth to himself.

The Naruto story is about humans trying to force themselves into the role of weapons because that’s what they were told they had to be. It’s a story where everyone is a perpetrator but no one is trying to do wrong. It’s a story where everyone is a victim but no one is a perfect victim.

The world and the characters aren’t simple and trying to simplify them only takes away from them. So of course we get passionate about showing off all the reasons why they shouldn’t be simplified and all of the ways they’re complicated. Of course we get upset when we see others simplifying them or selling certain aspects of their characters short. Of course we get upset when the series itself simplifies them. Of course we get upset when the series chooses to abandon them. Because it not only feels like the characters are giving up, it feels like the series is betraying anyone who chose to get invested in its complexities.

[meowmada]

Nothing just this

[liz-thinks-too-much]

Can't blame Naruto for looking like that in Boruto, if I had to pretend to be straight I'd also look like shit

[cupcakesandfries]

What I think about when people ask what happens in Naruto

[abattre]

I find it sad that the Naruto series ended with absolutely no improvement to the Shinobi system and just a return to the pretty abysmal status quo. I find it even sadder that a large majority of the fan base take it as a face value happy ending because their favourite characters got married, and just ignore how none of the criticisms of Shinobi society brought up throughout the story have any meaningful resolution.

This is, in large part, because of Kishimoto's pivot into deciding friendship is somehow the solution to all problems despite showing repeatedly throughout the story how friendship is never enough to foster substantial change because of how fucked up everything is. Like,,, when confronted with the fact that genocide, child exploitation, slavery, and human experimentation were the common place practices for villages it's actually kind of insane to push the notion that the victims of these crimes should be magnanimous towards the people that abused them so horrifically; it is, frankly, ridiculously insulting to proclaim that being justifiably angry about their oppression means they are 'falling into darkness' because that is also, for some reason, a thing.

There are literally no consequences for all the genuinely evil things the people in power were doing for generations, everything is just brushed aside on the whim of friendship and forgiveness and that's just so appalling. There is no justice for the people who have suffered so terribly because of the villages. Are they just expected to move on while these horrible people walk free? They're supposed to be okay with historically corrupt and depraved people remaining in power? Like what the fuck.

[nardo-headcanons]

How I would fix Itachi Uchiha

Feel free to request this for other characters or ask worldbuilding questions.

Have him not torture Sasuke in his Tsukuyomi. Seeing Itachi alone would be so retraumatizing to Sasuke to send him into a Panic attack.

Show him STRUGGLING. Even if it’s just a smidge.

Show the weight of his “decision” on his shoulders. Even pre reveal.

Put emphasis on the manipulation from Konoha and the root organization and how he didn’t actually have a choice in the slightest.

Give us more insight on his illness and what he did to fight it.

Make him REGRET what he did. At the very latest after he gets reanimated by Kabuto.

Show us his wants, needs and dreams. What lead him to make the decision that he ended up making?

Point out the flaws in his thinking and flesh it out: He thought that the only way to make it in the shinobi world is to become incredibly strong so others are too afraid to fight you.

Itachi is a tragic character, let’s write him like one.

Feel free to use these in headcanons, fics, etc. Tag or dm me so I can read em!

[ilbenmalpensanteus]

I can’t.

Sas talking with neutral pronouns about the general shitty situation, hinting that without Naruto they can’t win

Naruto using the first person like: “fuck the world, without you I am lost, teme”

Aaaaah this boy is so in love

[whitelilynh]

Just feel so stupid to realise, thanks to current real life events, that Naruto really talk-no-Jutsu-ed me FOR YEARS into Konoha's propaganda.

Like, what they did to Itachi and Sasuke was monstruos, what they did to Uchiha clan was a complete and unjustified crime.

Was Konoha justified to suspect the Uchiha after a Sharingan-manipulated Kyubi attacked them? Yes, ofc. Was it a justification for a full apartheid regime that lead to a genocide? Fuck NO!

Although Konoha didn't knew Obito was still alive, hence the possibilities, according to them, reduced to the Uchiha (and Kakashi, why nobody mentions Kakashi?), instead of the racist segregation they conduced they should have, Idk, do a freaking proper investigation?

Like, oh, a Sharingan user took advantage of the debilitation of the seal because of Kushina giving birth, it must had been an Uchiha. Well, how many Uchihas actually knew the seal was getting weaker during labor? How many of them knew *when* was Kushina going to give birth? And how many of them knew *where* btw? Reduce the list to those. Include Kakashi, if he knew.

And to those, investigate, survey, and all your shit.

But why to assume a whole freaking clan that lives in peace under the supposed protection of the village would want to destroy it?

And yet, Konoha is all prideful thinking they are better. They are no freaking better. They still saw the Kyubi and it's jinchuriki as nothing but a weapon, they didn't care at all about Naruto's well being and feelings, even though he was the son of the previous Hokage, even though he was actually made a Jinchuriki and became an orphan precisely to protect the freaking village (I'm looking at you Hiruzen, I hate you!).

And on top of that, freaking Konoha took advantage of a poor 13yo boy whose love for the village divided his consciousness, to f*cking force him to kill his entire clan for them, then threw him away and hunted him as a dog, criminalise and vilify him.

And never freaking cared about Sasuke, never explained a thing to him. They even tried to blame Sasuke for not blindly believing their propaganda.

Did Konoha ever realise *they* created Sasuke?

I know Naruto fell for Konoha's propaganda, and I know the whole village wasn't to blame, but the leaders. But somehow, Sasuke should have received a sort of repair, Idk, to tell the truth about his family at least, for the world to know. For the innocents to know, and to pay respect to the deceased clan.

But instead, Sasuke got guilt tripped into serving the masters that destroyed his whole people.

A masterfully done work of propaganda.

[bimgtt]

True Uchiha clan not that bulshite shown in the Boruto series so called fake Uchiha pathetic historically ignorant family( Sakura and Sarada who treat clan crest some sort of ornaments or achievements or trophy to brag about or show off for them without knowing its struggle and past history and how you get to wear it) or how the story tries to revise Uchiha tragedy and the oppression and racism against the Uchiha collectively.

[neko-uchiha]

Taka Sasuke is the only Sasuke who ever existed. He personified FIRE. Destroying everything on its path to reach his goals.

He was Itachi's salvation

He was konoha's destruction

He was the protagonist's obsession

Taka Sasuke was full of passion and life. He was art. He was revolution.

[meowmada]

In my twisted mind if Naruto was set in a modern au team 7 and konoha 12 would be sasukes nice school friends that his parents trust while team taka would be the outside group with whom Sasuke does weird shit and gets arrested with

[heidiikm]

Thinking about how sad the end to Sasuke’s story is and how his grief and anger is minimised.

Rewatching parts of Naruto and seeing Naruto declaring to sasuke to put all of his hatred onto him and that he’s the only one that can take it is actually so strange. Don’t get me wrong this isn’t hate for his character (okay maybe mild hate because he does do a lot wrong, but so do most Naruto characters and I’m not here to get into that rn). It’s just I find it kind of off… (I know people use this moment as a great sns scene and I have no hate against that ship! This is nothing to do with sns) Sasuke’s grief for his clan and deep seated anger at the village and world is beyond valid. Naruto’s declaration feels slightly entitled? I understand they were friends for a bit and went through a lot together during the short time they were a team and how sasuke is one of Naruto’s first proper connections so it’s all very important to him and so on. It’s just… this isn’t about him? He’s got nothing to do with this? I know it’s about trying to “help” sasuke who is self destructing to get revenge and justice. I’ve spoken before how this fandom compares characters’ traumas a lot and how that’s odd, including how Naruto doesn’t compare to sasuke - both had truly dreadful childhoods, I just think they’re two different traumas and whilst both lonely, are lonely in different ways and for different reasons. And also sasuke is so much more than just lonely. Naruto doesn’t understand Sasuke’s trauma and doesn’t understand his anger. The whole of team 7 disregarded his grief and trauma. At the end of the show Naruto fails to give the Uchiha any justice as hokage and sasuke is manipulated into believing he needs to “repent” and to protect the village. It’s such a sad story. I could say a lot more and this isn’t well articulated at all but anyways… if people disagree or have another interpretation I’d love to hear!

[watermelonsloth]

Out of pure curiosity

This is a less serious poll than normal, but feel free to ask for any clarification for what I mean for each option

[abattre]

It's actually so disappointing that Naruto's narrative took the route that it did. Kishimoto created an incredibly interesting world and premise, and ruined it by having everything amount to a shallow message of forgiveness that undermines almost every meaningful element in the story. And it's like,, I want to appreciate the world outside of the plot, but the moral framing of the story makes it virtually impossible because of how disingenuous it is. It completely undermines the audience's understanding of the tragedy and horror of the world so that Naruto becoming Hokage and being the most powerful person in the world by the end doesn't come across as distasteful as it actually is.

Like it's made abundantly clear throughout the story that the village system, and Shinobi society as a whole, is incredibly flawed. Kishimoto goes out of his way to show us that Konoha's council is made up of objectively horrible people. We see first hand how the council's short-sighted ideas of what 'protecting the village' means results in devastating tragedy for people both in Konoha and outside of it. It's clear in how Danzo and the rest of the council act that their atrocious behaviour is them just blatantly abusing their power to maintain their authority. The council has no remorse in anything they do; human experimentation, genocide, slavery, and blatant exploitation is all fair game to them if it preserves their status quo. And instead of maybe, like, addressing Konoha's skewed morality in a sensible way and setting the village up for reform, the narrative just tries forcing the audience to perceive Konoha's genuinely heinous actions as necessities. Which, you know, will work when you're like 8, but once you've grown up and developed some reading comprehension and critical thinking,,, it just feels annoyingly manipulative.

At its core, Naruto is a story that attempts to deconstruct morality. Like this is abundantly clear in how Kishimoto is constantly paralleling the dichotomy of good and evil literally every chance he gets. In the end though, this dichotomy just doesn't work in the context of the Naruto story because the narrative framing of the village being the good guys is just hysterically ridiculous. Konoha is an awful place, that does awful things, and is run by awful people that refuse to change anything because it benefits them for the village to remain awful forever. To anyone with a developed sense of media literacy the village cannot in any way be framed as morally good, so when the story resolves itself with Naruto becoming next in line to govern Konoha under the same unchanging authoritarian regime, with the same council supporting him because of his sheer physical prowess and complete dedication to their twisted ideology,,, it's honestly just an incredibly underwhelming conclusion to a story that made itself out to be more profound than it actually is.

If I had to guess, I imagine Kishimoto just didn't think through how negatively the world he created would reflect on the plot. Ultimately though, you can't write a moral story that's so deeply entrenched in real world social inequity and decide halfway through that because you don't know how to fix these things your story's going to have to be about how they're actually okay to be doing and perpetuating,,, like that is awful and also a terrible lesson to impart on an audience of children. With how serious the issues are in Shinobi society, trying to resolve things with the power of friendship was always going to fall flat. These broad scale injustices can't be brushed aside in that way without undermining their severity and diminishing the understandable impact they had on the characters that experienced such extreme oppression. That's essentially the trap that Naruto's conclusion falls into though, and so the story just ends up feeling incomplete and unfulfilling because none of the issues brought up are actually addressed or discussed with the gravity they deserve.

[cupcakesandfries]

When you paid attention in class and learned how to use context clues.. lol definitely not subtle that the two are in love with each other. Even with the changes they tried to make in the anime

[punkeropercyjackson]

"It's not a real romance unless they've tried to kill eachother at least once!"You guys couldn't even handle Sasuke and Sakura

@desi-pluto