#brony debates

[brawny-and-friends]

Brawny spent most of his life recognizing the authority of only Princess Celestia.  While generally resistant to change, he was willing to make an exception when Princess Luna returned from the moon, given the history of the situation.  But shortly thereafter was an influx of alicorns and princesses appearing from seemingly nowhere.  And Brawny found this quite vexing.  However, the cohosts of his radio show find his attitude equally vexing.

I always thought this was a funny moment from one of the Brony Debates.  So I decided to make it into a strip.

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[lakka-arts]

WHO KEEPS ON PONIFYING THEM

[pumpkinsy0]

ppl debating pony being gay or not always reminds me of that era of mlp where bronies would edit/draw rainbowdash being upset that ppl were seeing her as lesbian

[phoebepheebsphibs]

That makes me wonder, is your Raph scared of Cuddles?

I was actually debating this (because I also got the Cuddles costume ask and have been wondering what actually UIFY Raph’s reaction would be)

I kind of wanted Raph to - for whatever reason - actually be like a huge Mrs. Cuddles fan and squeal over how cute Misa is, and despite the fact the lad has 179 anxiety disorders and 4,000 phobias this is the one thing he isn’t afraid of

But on the other hand I really don’t see what circumstance would have changed this fear. Why was he scared of her in the show to begin with? What caused this fear? And how could that have been avoided if he was simply raised in a hotel?

Anyways in conclusion I’m still debating this for my AU, but because I really like the idea for the moment let’s say that he loves Mrs. Cuddles — it’s his MLP and he’s a huge brony lol

[opinated-user]

Interesting that Courtney mentioned Lily being upset at hearing that incest is bad because she made a video in defense of “consensual” incest relationships https://drive google.com/file/d/1Weg46szDiUcxAKbipzDUyqan8t-G8nO4/view (add a dot in place of the space between drive and Google)

i was aware of this video and here's why it's interesting. (please notice the "directed by Tara Callie". Tara, the pedophile, bestiality lover that had an incestuous relationship with her younger sister, that lied to Brittany for years about molesting LO while she was sleeping to get a reaction out of her. the same tara that later turned out to be just LO roleplaying all her fantasies. keep that in mind)

(also the too long intro that was clearly inspired by Channel Awesome) 1. she starts the video showing a picture of a man who kept his daughter in a basement to keep abusing her and have children with her, that he also abused, as the first image that a lot of people have about abuse. she tries to say "most people think all incestuous relationship involve some form of rape and coercion, but what about the relationships that aren't like that, like when two adults or teenagers for that matter (because teenagers suddenly have the emotional maturity of adults/s) enter into this relationships willingly." apparently the debate wether this relationships (that she even recognize many, many times do include coercion or rape) is the same thing as when people debate the legality of homosexuality (despite how is even rarer to find queer relationship entirely based in abusive dynamics. not that it doesn't happen, but it doesn't happens at all in the same frequency as with incest does. remember that this is LO thinking that she's progressive) 1. it starts with LO making up an anonymous parent being concerned that both of their children came out about being in an incestuous relationship, coming to her... a brony in the internet talking about MLP, for advice about what to do about it. the screenshot of that anon was so out of nowhere and weird that Josh had screenshot it for one of his videos about LO, using it as an example of "LO tries to talk about very serious issue and fails". this father was an anon, but for some reason (that reason being LO made them up) LO will take their word as 100% true and will even make assumptions entirely on her own around this asks that weren't even implied, like assuming that there wasn't any coercion or manipulation in the relationship of these teenagers. the obvious explanation is that she can just say that because she's just writing her own fanfiction and try to make it seem real, but if it were real... this would indeed the most irresponsible, disgusting and absolutely abuse apologist response that LO could have given. even taking out of the way the allegations from Courtney or how this became a pattern of being obssesed over incest through out the years, this is a bad video with bad argumentation that started on a bad premise and LO should feel bad about it. no english teacher would say this was good. 3. speaking of "teenagers for that matter" who supposedly are mature and old enough to take decisions about their life the same as an adult could, the "son" in the relationships is 15 and the daughter is... 14. LO in this video argues that a 15 teenage boy in no way coerced his younger 14 year old little sister into a relationship. why? because that does against the fanfiction that LO has on her head where she managed to succesfully coerce Courtney into commiting incest and is never called out for it as a bad thing. knowing what we do know now about their dynamics, this is not really about convincing anyone. this is just the fanfiction of everything she wishes it was true and then have someone assured her that it was fine, it was okay, that she didn't do anything wrong, that it was all consentual. just like how the majority of Stockholm treats rainbow dash pedophilia as perfectly fine and not at all concerning.

4. following this logic (no coercion, no abuse, simply because LO assumes/wishes there isn't), this is the advice that LO tells this father about what to do about the situation.

that's right. nothing. this father should do nothing because if he does, it will only make the teenagers insist more on their relationship and also hate their father for trying to separate them. so he should let them do anything they want, potentially allow his son to keep sexually abusing and grooming his daughter, because they won't like it if he tries to stop it. but don't worry, because this is all consensual (that was never established, those bad writer habits of LO assuming that the reader has the same information she does attack again) and surely these teenagers that are under the age of consent know what they're doing. or in the perfect fantasy of LO it does at least. 5. something i didn't notice before... the music that is on the background is "lullaby for a princess", a fan made MLP song that Celestia dedicate to her sister as she reflects on their relationship and her banishing. just... gross in this context. it's literally romanticizing this fictional incest couple even from the background. it's disgusting. 6. "they probably thought long and hard about this. they probably had long talks about this before agreeing to it."... having long talk about something any sibling didn't want until they finally gave in is the definition of grooming. LO's literally making up grooming out of thin air (because those teenagers don't exist) and then try to argue that the grooming is fine because there was "consent" in the end. i don't think LO knows what coercion is, because that's exactly it. if you have to keep talking the ear off someone in order to convince them to do something, that's coercion and that's part of grooming. you're just not using the correct terms. 7. in response to "it's morally wrong", LO says that morality is subjective and varied. that's the mantra of many predators and abusers. just saying.

funny enough, she does say that murder is "the one thing we all agree is horrible to do and only fine in the most extreme of cases"... it's just weird to think that even while doing a "incest between minors is okay" video, LO was still less extreme that how she's now a days. something to think about, i guess.

8. "the only idea of objective good and wrong we have is illegal and legal." is that why LO keeps thinking that threatening people with a lawyer she doesn't have is going to do anything?

9. "nobody wants to be the villain. everyone wants to be the victim". with how much we talk here about how LO wants to be the ultimate victim, more victim than any other victim, this might explain why LO will never admit to any of the horrible things she has done. because she wants to be only the victim, not the villain. she didn't realize then and won't realize now that you can be both. being a victim doesn't mean that you can't hurt others and being a villain doesn't mean that you can't be hurt.

10. "sir, you can only accept their relationship or don't. and if you don't accept it then you'll never be able to fully embrace who your kids really are." i had forgotten how much LO keeps comparing incest with queerness. grooming and coercing a sibling is not "part of who you're", it's a issue you should get seen by a professional.

as my conclusion after rewatching this, i want to say this... even if Courtney had never come out to say a word, just by knowing how obsesed LO is with incest and to try to justify it any way possible i feel like anyone would have come out thinking that these weren't just fantasies at some point. considering that LO made that comic about his "hot sister",why wouldn't you think that this is all related? why wouldn't you be concerned for that sister and what LO might have done to them? all of this just so say... if you don't believe Courtney for whatever reason, then do you really think someone that does a video like this, a comic like that one and openly talks about incest so much as she does is really a safe kind of person?

[the-ravenclaw-werewolf]

What do you think the 40 would think of MLP? If you've watched it all, of course.

I have seen it! Man, the memories it bring back!

But to answer you're question, since MLP is a different territory versus Bluey, the reaction to it will be slightly different in comparison.

Don't Care (They don't hate it exactly, they just can't get into it): Heine Wittgenstein, Levi Ackerman, Satoru Fujinuma, Spike Spiegel, Kusuo Saiki, Edward Elric, Senku Ishigami, Nagisa Shiota, Ciel Phantomhive

The Closeted Fans (those who don't admit out loud they like the show, but will watch it in private or with other who are open fans.): Saitama, L Lawliet, Naegi Makoto, Korra, Legoshi, Ryota Suzui, Zuko, Shigeo Kageyama

The Causal Watcher (Will watch it if it's on and even turn it on as background noise.): Kobayashi, Yuuri Katsuki, Haruka Nanase, Langa Hasegawa, Mafuyu Sato, Tetsuya Kuroko, Haruhi Fujioka, Soma Yukihira, Killua Zoldyck

The Bronies (Debate among who is the best pony and will watch bronie videos): Italy, Satoru Gojo, U-1146, Kae Serinuma, Mako Mankanshoku, Chika Fujiwara, Rin Okumura, Tohru Honda, Izuku Midoriya, Shoyo Hinata, Tanjiro Kamado, Iruma Suzuki, Hanako-kun, Emma

[theliterarywolf]

Bit of fandom history musings, observations by Anonymous

Almost everything negative that ended up coming from the MLP Brony outrage, had basically nothing to do with Bronies, and everything to do with modern pearl-clutchers. 

Some might say “But the porn!” “But the creeps” “But the weirdos!” “But the but the but the” and like, it exists, and existed, but that’s literally EVERY fandom, before then, and even now. There was nothing in that fandom, that didn’t exist elsewhere, yet MLP Bronies are still held up as this “evil scourge” to fandom history.

The difference, from my observations then and now, was that it was the first time that men would openly and in bigger numbers, would step outside the “MALE” designated fandom spaces and behaviour, and would in a much higher degree join in, in the “female” fandom experience. Something that had happened in reverse, larger amounts of women going into “male” fandom and interacting with it, but never really the other way around.

Besides people viewing MLP as “for children” and more specifically “For girls” suddenly having older men was this huge thing, because it hadn’t happened like that before, especially since many men would more openly talk about these things, which before that, was more viewed as “women’s fandom behaviour” such as writing fanfics, and engaging in certain types or RP’s, and just general fan-art creation, and SHIPPING! which largely actually was SFW mainly, the NSFW just stayed in people’s minds longer and was made bigger through outrage-sensationalism.

I also feel like the MLP time, is when Antis first really started coming out,  back then you didn’t really have the “Proshipper vs Antishipper” debate, you had people who did their thing, and you had people who avoided it if they didn’t like it. You didn’t really have that binary concept of “Yes and No”-in shipping, you had squicks, citrus-scales, “Don’t like don’t read” and more labels/tags to curate the fandom, and it worked to keep people away from content they didn’t want to see. Heck, MLP actually ADDED to said safety, with safe-search wrap-ups, and I’d argue it was one of the first fandoms to really look at fandom content on the internet in that way.

It feels only after MLP, did it really start getting big, with people making small or, let’s be honest normal fandom behaviour, into huge issues, which they then dragged out into the open and pointing at it, as if this was everything Bronies did. This includes youtubers who’d make outrage content, but even Tumblr back then was rife with sensationalism, and outrage-posting/baiting, on purpose going into NSFW spaces, dragging it out, and then claiming it was Bronies who couldn’t behave and showing it to children, when that was blatantly untrue. Even though this used to be normal, Zines, fan-meets, etc, was the same, but they were less open, before MLP, people almost didn’t really remember that the internet was much more open, and MLP-bronies kinda showed that now LITERALLY everyone with an internet connection could join in, in fandoms.

I also think it got even worse with the over the top reactionaries when another show became popular, Steven Universe, a show which had an older-target audience, but also was even more blatant in inviting men to watch it. With MLP, people tried to argue that it was obviously for girls, despite the showrunners stating it was for everyone, but with SU it was even more blatant, with it’s already default older target audience, and the male protag, and some other story elements.

The problem SU faced, beyond the usual bullshit of Executive meddling, and the even more Anti-LGBT rules from cartoon networks, in this case literally Cartoon Network, was the fact that it was put on a pedestal because of the LGBT-themes, and even more deeply scrutinised for everything, and because of that, the fandom which had already been freaking out for years over MLP, suddenly got even more agitated because “We don’t want those filthy men to invade SU with their presence!” I literally remember the outcry and just insane levels of anger when people suspected men might join the SU fandom, like they did MLP, to the point that “Gentlegems” (Gentlemen+gems) was the supposedly the title these male fans gave themselves, and that “don’t let them join the fandom” became a really big message. I think SU was also the point where Anti’s really started coming out, and stating their “Anti-ship” sentiment, though it also covered certain fanart, and content. 

I also think the SU fandom is the one that popularised “CODING” aka “We’re stereotyping, but we’re gonna rename it to make it less -ist/-phobic.” I mean, I remember how the forerunner for the official Anti-label was literally about “You can’t ship these two gems, bc they’re toxic together.” or “You can’t ship them, because this one is clearly lesbian” or “You can’t ship because XYZ whhfbdsf”. And since the show was probably the first time you actively saw LGBT, but specifically WlW content in an official show for all ages, the Antishipping front really manifested with arguments that were most likely more to protect their own fave ship, but also to keep MlF ships away but was phrased in such a way that it was less about personal taste, and more phrased to make it seem like it was a moral-ethical failure on your part, if you shipped two characters together the person in question (the Anti) didn’t like, instead of just a difference in taste.

Don’t even get me started on coding. While the candy-coloured gemstone warriors certainly showed certain traits of specific humans, something that can’t be denied, the showrunners always made it clear that the gems themselves weren’t actually humans, and therefore weren’t part of any human race regardless of their appearance. But of course, you’d then have people claiming “Well this character is clearly black, latina, and white!” but when certain story-elements were revealed that “went against” that coding, people freaked out. One noteable event: Pearl, the snow-white Gem, turned out to be, effectively a of a “personal-slave-servant”-class, and was the only one of such origin. People freaked out because “how can this white skinny character be of the slave class?” The other two gems, from the main trio were effectively: Born-Warrior, and Fusion of Aristocrat and Personal-bodyguard.

I think another thing was also coding through VA’s, I don’t think I’d ever seen any “this character has to be X because the VA is X” to this high of a degree and fervour, which started with the VA for Garnet, who is a black singer Estelle, which then sparked more mainstream(?) debate about how VAs should match their characters. For some reason the same didn’t apply to the same degree to the the “Latina-coded” Amethyst, nor the (most commonly) White-coded Pearl, who were both voiced by Asian-American VAs, Pearl being VAd by DeeDee Magno Hall, who’s Fillipino-American, and Amethyst by Michaela Dietz who’s a Korean-American.If fandom behaviour from certain people in the MLP haydays (lol) was bad, it got even worse, and even more aggressive with SU, where even small infractions would rain the wrath of hundreds of angry fandom folks onto your head, as a reactionary of the MLP-Brony “issue”. And while I personally think both shows were actually pretty ok, they really did shape a lot of how modern fandom behaves, and acts, and how people now view shows and the content produced because of it in a way for the worse, through no actual fault of the shows themselves. I especially remember the SU fandom getting even more aggressive after 2016. (Wonder why… /S)

Also note of the absolute batshit insanity that happened in these fandoms: The artist who made both MLP and SU fanart, who was harassed so badly she tried to take her own life. All because they drew Rose Quartz a bit skinnier, and because they drew Fluttershy as a human in a Native American dress. In which people later also proved some of the criticism against the Artist’s art had been manufactured, such as people editing the Fluttershy-NA art to be more red skinned than she actually was in the OG-art. (I’ll not name them, out of respect.) But I also remember one person who succeeded in their attempt if I’m not wrong.

Anyway, I’ve always failed at conclusions, so I’ll let you draw your own. I’m just writing as someone who somehow managed to avoid being in the fray of it all, but still managed to observe most of this in real time on a bunch of different sites.

[sysmedsaresexist]

i think you mean me, the brony anon. ill give you the lore. so this all happened on @pastacrylic's account.

https://www.tumblr.com/pastacrylic/718549587142557696/you-will-not-understand-this-reference-but-its?source=share

^i sent this ask bc there was joking speculation about them having a secret identity. then i checked back on the blog a couple of days later and saw i accidentally made a very minor wave of chaos

https://www.tumblr.com/pastacrylic/718581528578375680/uh-yeah-hey-idk-who-tf-that-one-anon-is-posting?source=share

^if i have my links right, they claimed im you which is funny because of the everyone is you joke, which is the second ask i sent you i think

https://www.tumblr.com/pastacrylic/718581951976620032/okay-so-im-breaking-down-that-one-ask-and?source=share

^another one that was trying to make sense of what i said

https://www.tumblr.com/pastacrylic/718584810835263488/i-checked-out-the-blog-and-the-user-is-ironic?source=share

^the final thing said about it. the drawing is why i said they were debating if you were based or cringe. i actually forgot i sent the original ask when i sent you this post initially, which is why i didnt explain it. then i forgot i hadnt explained it with the follow up ask.

basically. i made a joke about someone being you. now bronies know about you but they dont know if youre based or cringe. in the follow up ask i said you were based, but if you see that i promise i do know youre cringe youre just also based

and i accidentally made some of them find out about syscourse, which i am genuinely so sorry for. if youre a brony whos stumbling into this, all you need to know is misinformation bad, respect and compassion good.

A whole new world has just opened up to me

Guys, friendship is magic, be nice to everyone

[moth--blood]

ive started making my own demons :) info under the cut i loove them all sm

LUCIFER

Lucifer has jurisdiction over sinners who have either been treated unjustly in life or thought themselves above the universe/deities. he keeps to himself, and he's always seen with tear tracks on his face. it's debated whether they're scars from the fall or if he's just constantly crying over something. he's the most lenient of the 7 sins, and he takes heavy favour over the more defenseless or innocent sinners he thinks deserved salvation. he pretends to live in Purgatory, saving lost souls to reclaim his place as an archangel.

MAMMON

mammon however is well aware hes hot shit, absolutely adores it. he NEEDS attention, and it was the whole reason he was cast from heaven. he fought along side lucifer because he wanted the stories in both heaven and hell, he wanted to be known as a rebelled warrior, and he is. he's no longer a warrior in hell. he's feared but Mammon does not fight, instead he sends his loyal imps and elves off to do the fighting for him. his corner of hell treats him like god, something Lucifer resents him for, and he likes to joke he's more a glutton than anything.

LEVIATHAN

Leviathan to put him lightly is a miserable bitch. he sees everything the other sins and the princes have that he's never even liked until now, sees how happy it seems to make them, and he internalizes that. for centuries. it's insufferable. despite that, the demons he rules over adore him. they're just as miserable as he is and he does do his best to provide, and when he does he does WELL. whatever the product is there's more than enough for every little serpent and siren he can see. despite being so miserable, he really does love his so-called subjects. he likes to think it's the one thing he has over the others.

ASMODEUS

Asmodeus is a picky one. his list of subjects he respects is few and far between, it's borderline impossible to win him over. that being said he's very sweet, and his section of hell is almost an exact replica of King Solomon's temple. this part of hell is where you can find most decent bars and clubs, most of which based off his likeness

BEELZEBUB & BELPHEGOR

Beelzebub and Belphegor, because I'm biased, work in tandem. they fucking hate each other and they can't cooperate to save their souls, but they've found humans fall to temptation faster if both sins are involved. Beelzebub does the hard stuff and Belphegor finishes the deals. (Belphegor tried this tactic with mammon many many centuries ago and promptly gave up trying when mammon insisted they refer to him the way his subjects do.) they cant be left alone anymore because the one time they were Beelzebub nearly lost a wing. Abbadon has to supervise, rip

SATAN

Satan is the fun one since again I'm biased. she is lucifers daughter. she's the youngest of the sins and the most ruthless, she is the epitome of eldest daughter rage and i love her so much. she absolutely despises Lucifer for creating her, and despises the rest of the sins just as much, mostly for past "you're just like him" comparisons.

fun facts:

Leviathan is Satan's favorite

Leviathan is also a raging fucking nerd and if he cared about human media he would be a brony. he would make all his demons bronies. it is a circle of mlp. Asmodeus is demi, and the only person he's properly been interested in was Solomon

Belphegor and Abbadon are the less cutesie versions of fizz and ozzie and as much as they disagree, Beelzebub is the only one who gets a free pass on teasing Bel about it.

song assignments:

Lucifer - Bloody Angel (Avatar)

Mammon - King For a Day (Pierce The Veil)

Leviathan - Misery Loves Company (CircusP)

Asmodeus - Blood (In This Moment)

Beelzebub - Cannibalove (Reoni)

Belphegor - Nocturnal (New Year's Day)

Satan - Brutus (The Buttress)

[rooster-does-art]

TMI Tuesday: What made you a fan of MLP?

Oooo this is good ask. Hmm lets see...

I first heardy about MLP and the Brony community back in 2012, I believe, but I couldn't care less about them back then. In 2012 I was still focused on Warrior Cats, writing and reading fanfictions, debating why Jayfeather was the best medicine cat, watching Warrior Cats animatics.

It's because of that last one that I believe I got "Lullaby for a princess animatic) by WarpOut. It was mid-2013. I dont know what compelled me to click it, but I did and I loved it.

It was slow at first, I didnt initially accept I was a fan yet. But I soon started writing Warriors stories that had similar themes to that of Lullaby to a Princess. Sometime between October to November 2013 I read a sypnosis of the first two episodes of MLP G4 and somehow also ended up reading a Princess Luna fanfic (I think it was a story called Princess Luna is Dead or something - basically its about Luna being dead and Celestia trying to hide that fact) Fell in love with her tragic story and in early November 2013 wrote my first MLP fanfic and officially considered myself a member of the community.

I then watced Season 4 as it came out later that month and in early 2014 watched Seasons 1 to 3 XD

So that's basically it. Anyways, the whole story on I got into tumblr is a different rabbit hole hehe

[dwtisgay]

I'm curious about Bads family dynamics. you mentioned he didnt have it great with his dad, can you elaborate on that? like i'd also be curious about how that might intersect with his masculinity, and tbh with skeppy as well. i feel like masculinity is such a prison in so many ways, and I do see skeppy trying desperately to do all the 'right things' and stay in the mold with some of his early content. and after he met Bad he seemed to figure out how to break a lot of the toxic norms which let him be a lot happier (i like it when he does that). i wonder how much they talked about that kind of thing and when. and i wonder if maybe bad talked to skeppy about it based on his own expierences. just thoughts~

I made a post expanding on my thoughts on his relationships with his parents here overall pretty vague since he gives us nothing to work with, but he did used to talk about his mom more, at least, once or twice that I can recall and that's all I based that statement on basically good question on how it intersects with masculinity, bbh is rather interesting in how he preforms his masculinity, as I said in the post I think he was socialized by someone female

to expand on the socializing point because I did just throw that out there, he just has a lot of mannerisms or turns of phrase id hear from an American mom, ways he puts his inflections, how he moves his body etc, I don’t think those things are inherently feminine exclusive but I do think he grew up copying someone with those mannerisms and they are more likely to be female

so I theorize he gets most of his personality and mannerisms from his mom, whereas his fathers influences is mostly over his interests, so bbh ends up with a fascinating feminine contrast and rather harsh masculine interests he is interested in guns and knife throwing and I definitely think those were things encouraged by his father, mayhaps to make him less feminine I am reminded of this actually

bbh is also a rather classic cliche of a debate nerd brony, or at least he used to be, the rather abrasive debatey kind, and I think that's also from his father or encouraged by his father bbh has a very strong and avid interest in stocks and business dealings, he can go on lectures about the state of the economy at the drop of a hat if encouraged - also a father thing I theorize

minecraft and his relationship with skeppy are fascinating when you start to look at it from the POV that they are the few things outside of his father's interests, things that his father was either neutral to or didnt discourage in him, and we can start seeing the roles bbh takes in these vacuums as an indicator of where bbh's interests lie - this isn't to say he doesn't like any of the things I mentioned above, but those will always be colored by his father and these are things outside of that so its a bit different

bbh originally when interacting with the minecraft spheres circa 2013-2016 was the very definition of a father figure or at least, what he thought a father figure should be from his own exposure, which was rather lacking, he was controlling, annoying, misogynistic, rude etc he could give some good life advice but generally he was the generic father you hated to be around but had to bare because he was blood family

but over time you can see him grow out of it as he starts asking himself what an actual father figure might do, what he thinks the kids who look up to him need, and it takes on a softer, kinder approach, he is much more gentle and attentative and uses the skills he got from his father like the "debating" and "questioning" to question his own harshness and his own knowledge, he used to be more objective with his advice in the past but now his advice takes on more open structures because he is keeping in mind that there is more to life than his own experiences

minecraft, I genuinely think was a space for him to explore himself outside the scrutiny of a seemingly structured and religious life, and his relationship with skeppy definitely helped and encouraged it because it gave him a veneer to hide behind in that "its fake, its not real" and he never played into it at the start in 2019 so I definitely think he had his fears and reservations, but as long he didn't acknowledge them he can look the other way, and grow into his softness without his own brain scrutinizing him through himself so with that in mind I dont think him and skeppy every talked or addressed things directly, ever, I think bbh didn't want to look too closely at himself and I think skeppy was in the same boat, skeppy immediately regretted the kissing jokes for example after doing them, I think he figured its easier if he just enjoyed his time with bbh and didnt think too hard on it and just mirrored bbh instead

I remember my first exposure to bbh that really snagged me was in the dream smp in 2020 when it was first made, and how bad cried over his fish getting killed and how the dream team rolled back the server for him and I sat there going "is this guy for real?" and I'll tell you know I still don't know if he was bullshitting or not with those tears but he definitely feels things very deeply, and its a wonder he got this far trying to be hyper masculine for as long as he did

[captainbritish]

I can't help but wonder... How many queer folk discovered themselves through the Brony fandom? Seriously though.

I swear, every other person from Tumblrpon or the pony fandom who I look back on now and then, each of whom used to identify as cisgender and straight, now identifies as LGBTQIA+ in some way.

One of them I remember getting in a really hardcore debate with someone on my dashboard about how it's okay for straight dudes to like My Little Pony, which was ofc but they were SO impassioned defending against slightest bit of theoretical emasculation. Now they identify fully as a woman attracted to men. A complete 180.

And the same shit applies to me. For all my regrets surrounding those days and all the dodgy people I met, would I ever have accepted being trans without the fandom? Would I ever have realized that sex and gender means nothing when it comes to the people I love? Maybe. Who knows.

It feels embarrassing to say, but those days were insanely formative when it came to accepting myself.

I wish I hadn't been so ashamed of that and given away most of my colourful horses.

[ofide]

my hot take on the “are adult bluey fans the new bronies” debate is that they’re not. but the “brony compilations” that are mostly just adult men wearing mlp merch in an innocent way is what makes people think that. cause putting a guy who really likes a cartoon next to a guy who creates graphic content about the same cartoon implies that those are the same thing. and the idea that adults who like childish things are dangerous did not originate with discussions of bronies but those videos and articles did contribute to it. which is why people are specifically mentioning bronies whenever someone over the age of 10 buys a plushie of a cartoon dog

[shamelesscursedcollab]

Blast Off!

Welcome to the Shameless Cursed Collab Collection! Starting in two days, the author's that signed up will be posting their prompts, but in the meantime, here are a few of the unclaimed prompts, in case anyone wants to join in on the fun. If you decide to take one on, tag us so we can see!

• Mickey seducing the female guard to escape prison.

• Shameless PIxie Hollow AU.

• Shameless, but set in the Riverdale universe.

• “What do you think was in the oatmeal?”

• Lip as a brony.

• Gallavich Historical AU.

• Fun with vegetables.

• Smut, but make it nerdy! Every body part is identified only by its scientific name the entire fic.

• Mickey pisses off a witch and gets cursed. To do Jazz Hands every time he’s excited. 

• Mickey getting a mani pedi.

• Mickey and Ian are debating whether or not they think one of their neighbors has breast implants.

[opinated-user]

Serious question: If you have all the evidence for Lily Orchard being a child groomer, why haven't you brought it forward to the authorities as is your civic duty?

Creating a blog dedicated to how bad a person is on tumblr can only do so much if you have real reason to believe someone has broken the law, and it clearly hasn't helped you press any charges yet.

It's not even like Lily is some rich and powerful person that can escape charges pressed against her: she's some former brony (a community that already had several groomers sent to jail for charges pressed against them) that makes YT vids for a living. Not only that, but she is a transwoman and (respectfully) accusing a trans woman of being a groomer is like accusing a black man of being a rapist, everyone would believe you.

You have all the recipts, but instead of doing something about you just make tumblr posts and it seems like you only do this because you have a vendetta and not because you care about the victims involved.

if you think that all the bad people who did bad things are only those that are currently being investigated or behind bar, i'm sorry to dissapoint you but we don't live on that world. for every brony predator who was imprisioned that you're thinking, there's a ton more that nobody ever talks about even today because they quietly dissapear to continue to live their lives as if nothing had happened. if we count the art commentary community in youtube that number gets even greater. if we expand to YT in general, what about people like Onision, who has been investigated but has never faced any charges? do you think he's innoent because of that? with the same logic that you apply to LO, then he must be or else he'd have been arrested already. his victim then must be lying or exaggerating, and all the video evidence against him was made up. the people who still care about him having a platform, now geared towards children, exaggerating and making a big issue out of nothing because the man is not in prison, therefore he must not have done anything wrong. the truth is this: laws are not perfect and authorities aren't either. people have tried to dennounce LO before and it didn't result on anything because authorities won't do anything until it's too later. cases such as these are for the thousand and pretending they're not there is an actual disservice for everyone. someone that actually talked with the FBI to try to have another predator in jail recently talked about how that other case was also completely dismissed, despite all the relevant evidence being thousands and thousands of pictures. that predator was also part of the brony fandom and he's still free out there. if we're using identities as factors against someone being accused of anything, did you told LO anything when she made vague gross implication when told that Jess, a trans woman who is critical of her in youtube, has a child of her own? did you said anything to LO when she insists that EOT is a "alt right pickme" despite making content that is overwhelmingly leftist or when she openly misgendered EOT only to later justify it with "she deserves it because she acts like a debate bro"? did you defended any of these trans women when LO was the one weaponizing transmisogyny against them or only when anyone calls out how her creepy behaviour can be harmful to vulnerable people? how come her being a trans woman has to be taken into account but people who say this kind of things never defend the trans women she goes up against in front of her? it gives the impression you don't really care about trans women or marginalized people and more so that you only care to defend this one because she may have some opinion about cartoons you agreed with or she managed to convince you that she being a trans woman is all that matter, more than the people that she hurt, some of them trans themselves.

maybe it's time to put those priorities in order.

[starmanleo]

I am a writer (debatable) and what I've learned from watching people getting involved in their little blorbos and comfort shows is that you need an injection from the Freak Population to get your shit off the ground. I don't mean Snyder brand Freaks exactly though they're on the same wavelength. I mean the young and the restless type freaks. The people who make the fanart of Walter White and Trans Jessie Pinkman.

Please note that I mean freaks in the most positive of ways. I am a Stranger of Paradise fan. A freak.

Pro Wrestling has gotten its injection of freaks in recent memory with the arrival of AEW. (Or at the very least I wasn't looking when it happened.) Look up the Blackpool Combat Club. It is a collection of the roughest and toughest men to ever hit the ring. Look up the Elite, some of the most meteoric superstars to ever come from the indie wrestling circuit.

But I want you to find a Twitter user by the name of ixura. I want you to look them up, donate to their Ko-Fi and look at the first thing you see when you hit that profile.

That is Hangman Adam Page of Elite Fame covered in blood about a ruler's width away from being all up in Jon Moxley's lip bush.

This Jon Moxley's lip bush.

To put this back to Power Rangers, it is an unfortunate thing that they do not have a new found Freak Population due to the fact that the franchise relies on the old days. To wrestling fans, Hulk Hogan era impact where Val Venis beats Daniels or whatever the hell NOAH is doing bitching out Kaito rn. You don't get that freak population sustainably working with the old shit. The people are clamoring for a franchise that'll take it up a notch,

Netflix Castlevaina type shit.

Voltron:Legendary Defender type shit.

People are clamoring for a side project at most that'll get the people revving up. Mighty Morphing Fans have been carrying the fanbase for decades now but the emphasis is on decades. A series that came out in 1993 is old enough to be a mother. The people who grew up with it at best, are old enough to be parents.

You can't be this way forever cause eventually, the people who have been carrying this stuff will move on. Say what you want about Bronies and the like but they are peak Freak Population. Metalocalypse fans got their movie. Peak Freak Population.

A change and a dive has to be made eventually or franchises will suffer to be doomed. While all good things must end, if they are to continue, you cannot have theme exist dragging the corpse of the old guard with them every step of the way.

Go Go Power Rangers.